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Page(s)10 [12345678910]>>Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 9replyPosted: Oct19@ 07:08PMby:cac120(513 Posts in the last 90 days)Registered: Sep 03, 2004This thread is now continued in Part 10:http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=648311�Gateway to the last page:http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=1020&threadID=622254&forumStart=0Back to Part 8, with the questions for Orientation and the discussion of Everybody Hates Hugo:http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=591407&forumStart=90Back to Part 7, with the questions for Man of Science, Man of Faith and Adrift:http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=524373The questions for the first three episodes can be found in my next post.Our list of how the titles apply to each character is in the post after that. Just scroll down.Message was edited by: cac120Message was edited by: cac120end topic message START REPLY MESSAGES DIV begin messageRe:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 9replyPosted: Oct19@ 07:09PMby:cac120(513 Posts in the last 90 days)Registered: Sep 03, 2004Purple homework for 2.1Man of Science, Man of Faith(Jack)Now, let's see if we can bring Desmond into focus, shall we?1. >: l Now there's a computer command I haven't seen in many years! And I'll bet some of you never have! It gives you a date.2. "Execute" Another time reference for anyone who knows computers.3. Boy, it was great to hear Cass again, wasn't it?! But those lyrics have a meannnnnniiinnnnngggg.4. What was the name of the 57 year old male who died while Jack saved Sarah?5. What time did he die?6. Who leads Shannon to Walt?7. Think the vision through. What is Walt's condition? What is Walt signifying?8. Why Shannon?9. What happened to the Chicken place where Hurley worked?10. What is Kate doing......saying (Come on, Jaters!).......when she screams for Locke to stop, then disappears?11. What is the insignia on Desmond's shirt?12. What is Desmond training for?13. At what hospital does Jack work?14. Look at the painting. Stop. I mean it. LOOK at the painting. There are things, words, and numbers that are imperative. Look at the painting.15. Freaky thing with the key, huh?16. Buckminster Fuller would be proud!17. As Jack is looking around the place, what can you hear calling in the background? Listen closely!18. Quarantine?19. Why look at that kids! Mr. Wizard has a rotating objective lens cell! Think of the things that you could do with that!20. Say? Does anyone else remember the cable that disappeared into the ground?21. How long do you think it will take Danielle to realize that she's spent a lot of Saturday nights alone needlessly? This one isn't actually a question. It's just a fun one to ponder. She could have been strappin' and zappin' Des for a few years now at least!Purple homework for 2.2Adrift(Michael)1. Who can Sawyer hear when he surfaces?2. What is Sawyer's initial actions? Self-preservation?3. What's the range of that boat?4. Say? What's that lighted keypad spelling out?5. Yes, yes, the joke. Now think it through (tricky writers)...... who has Desmond been talking to if not Locke?6. How has Desmond been talking to someone who tells corny jokes and what has he been saying to Desmond? Yes, he did tell you enough to know. Don?t listen to our survivors. Listen to Desmond. What has the voice out there been telling him?7. "So the world's still out there?"8. How many survivors are there?9. How many days since the crash?10. "As in sick......as in ill.........as in dead?"11. Make a list of the words visible in the hatch.12. "All roads lead here"13. Make note of all the black and whites.14. How long has it been since Locke's seen one of those?15. A happens, then B, then C.16. Take a good look at the mural.17. Awww. Little Walt's so cute! LOOK AT HIS OUTFIT. Colors seem familiar?18. Now that you?ve had some time, take another look at Walt in 2.1. Do it. What's different?19. Look at that bag! Look at that bear!Purple homework for 2.3Orientation(Locke)Here are the questions. If the chimps find bananas tomorrow to amuse themselves, I'll come back and see if you need more clues. The lid is off now on everything BUT deaths, so you'll be getting more info from here and the usual spoiler sites.1. How long had it been in the FB since Locke met his parents?2. How long has Desmond been on the island?3. How did Desmond get on the island?4. Where's Kelvin?5. What is a kelvin?6. What, according to Locke, would be impossible?7. What a pretty picture!8. This film, Orientation, is part number what? Or how many?9. What's the good Doctor's name?10. What University?11. Gerald and Karen who?12. What are the four areas that the think tank wished to study?13. Specifically, what was Station 3, the Swan, built to be?14. What was the Swan to study?15. What was the name of the wealthy industrialist who funded the Dharma Initiative?16. What does his name mean?17. When the alarm goes off, how long do you have to enter the code?18. "Do not use the computer for any........."19. How many days is each set of code enterers stationed for? How many months is that?20. When was the Orientation film produced?21. Since when have the code enterers been in place? And why?22. What hurts when Desmond walks near the wall?23. Locke convinces Jack to push the button by telling him that this is what?ME? The feminine of Hanso, which is what was used to name the foundation, is Hansa.Big hint? Run Hansa with Swan. heeeheeeheeeGuys? Have fun. Again, all chimps aside, this is just a TV show. If, somehow, this all becomes more important than that....turn the computer off.I've seen good people turn chimp. It's a jungle out there!Message was edited by: cac120Back to Top ^
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Here's what we came up with last year. Keep in mind that we know more now than when we drew up these lists, so they aren't complete:
1: Lost (Pilot) reply Posted: Mar 14, 2005 By: cac120 ( 1480 Posts ) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Episode 1: Lost (Pilot)
Obvious meaning: All TV pilots are called simply 'pilot.' I suppose at that stage, they are referred to more by the series title than the episode title, so let's instead look at the meaning of Lost.
They are all physically missing, but their souls are also in torment. Are they lost causes or are they on the island because it offers them a chance of redemption?
Jack - Sawyer knows that Jack's father loved him and was proud of him for doing the right thing even though it ruined Dad's career. Locke Kate Sawyer Hurley Sayid Charlie Michael Walt Sun Jin Boone Shannon Claire
Danielle Rose Ethan - too late for redemption
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2: Pilot, Part 2 reply Posted: Mar 14, 2005 By: cac120 ( 1480 Posts ) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Episode 2: Pilot, Part 2
Obvious meaning: The pilot of Oceanic flight 815 is killed by the 'monster,' leaving them without the person who would be the natural leader and who would have the best idea about where they are.
Although none of the flight crew survived past this incident, there are numberous references to airplanes.
Jack - took flying lessons; is now 'piloting' the group Locke - plane on desk in travel agency Kate - robbed a bank for a toy plane that belonged to the man she loved and killed Sawyer Hurley Sayid Charlie Michael Walt - Did his special powers cause the crash? Sun Jin Boone Shannon Claire - prophetic dream included mobile of Oceanic planes
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3: Tabula Rasa (Kate) reply Posted: Mar 14, 2005 By: cac120 ( 1480 Posts ) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Episode 3: Tabula Rasa -- Kate
Obvious meaning: Jack tells Kate she doesn't have to tell him about her past. He gives her a fresh start.
John Locke stated "that the mind at birth is like a blank slate, or tabula rasa, waiting to be written on by human experience. All human knowledge is derived from ideas presented to the mind by the world of experience." (Philip Stokes in Philosophy: 100 Essential Thinkers)
To a degree the crash gives everyone a tabula rasa. They all get to leave their old lives behind but their experiences come with them in the form of skills and memories. Additionally, many characters have had a second chance to wipe the slate, often with the help of the philosopher's namesake.
Jack - still the doctor, still wants to save everyone, his father came to the island with him. No clean slate. Locke - regained the use of his legs Kate - fugitive is now free. Jack keeps asking her about her past - is he taking away the tabula rasa he gave her? Sawyer - has let go of his need to revenge his parents' deaths Hurley - gets away from the numbers when Charlie doesn't believe he won the lottery Sayid - left Nadia's picture at Danielle's, so is open to a new relationship Charlie - has overcome his addiction Michael - had accepted Walt's gift and will now teach Walt about it Walt - has accepted Michael as his father and gained awareness of his own capabilities Sun - freedom from her father and Jin Jin - has chance to start over alone Boone - has let go of his crush on Shannon Shannon - stops caring so much about what Boone thinks and starts a relationship with Sayid Claire - has the opportunity to raise her baby herself
Obvious meaning: Locke planned to go on an aboriginal walkabout in Australia but was denied because of his wheelchair. The plane crash released him from the chair and put him, and everyone else, on a real physical and spiritual journey.
Locke often acts as a guide or advisor on these quests.
Jack chasing his father's 'ghost' Locke Kate Sawyer hunting the boar Hurley Sayid Charlie kicking drugs like a moth emerging from a chrysalis Michael realizing Walt's potential by rescuing him from the polar bear Walt Sun Jin Boone cleansing himself of Shannon Shannon Claire
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5: White Rabbit (Jack) reply Posted: Mar 14, 2005 By: cac120 ( 1480 Posts ) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Episode 5: White Rabbit -- Jack
Obvious reference: Alice in Wonderland chasing the rabbit down the hole into madness, as Jack chases an apparition of his father around the island as he struggles with his leadership position. (mrsbuns)
"Since the black rabbit of Inlé in Watership Down is the rabbit of Death, the white rabbit must be the rabbit of good luck." (annipadanni)
Just as Alice found herself in Wonderland, all of them have arrived in a magical place where strange things happen. It's hard to tell what's real and what isn't.
The Ocean - The tide rose to take away the wreckage on the beach like it was reclaiming its property. Is the cable Sayid found connected to an underground power source? Locke keeps looking out to sea as though he is waiting for something to emerge. In her diary, Claire has drawn a line that looks like waves with circles above, below and on the line - what does this symbolize?
The Monster - It kills but doesn't eat the pilot. Locke thought it beautiful. Danielle doesn't believe in monsters.
The Black Rock - Magnetic. Danielle's party was infected by or near it. Is it what caused Sayid's compas to be off?
The Hatch - Locke and Boone believe that if they stare at it long enough, it will reveal its secrets to them.
The Whispers - Mysterious voices that people hear when they are alone in the forest. A combination of statements about being afraid and needing help as well as voices from the listener's past. Are they hiding in an underground network? Is it safer to live underground than above? Are they afraid to appear because they are disfigured? Does Vincent visit them when he goes missing?
The bodies in the cave - who was this couple who were ritualistically buried with a black and a white rock?
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6: House of the Rising Sun -- Sun reply Posted: Mar 14, 2005 By: cac120 ( 1480 Posts ) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Episode 6: House of the Rising Sun -- Sun
Obvious meaning: Sun rises up against the restrictions placed upon her by her father and husband.
The title is a literary reference to the song which MEandthesea will post below. (Thanks, ME)
It sounds like the girl knows that the house will be her downfall and tries to escape but gets pulled back to it anyway. Sounds like a metaphor for Sun's relationship with her father. The others are also aware of their vices, but can't escape them either.
Jack's father was an alcoholic and on several occasions we've seen Jack looking for a drink, or justifying his need for it. Sawyer hated the con man for ruining his family, but was forced into the same crimes. Kate didn't want to rob the bank, but had to (for a reason we have yet to find out). Charlie tried to stop Liam's drug use, but became addicted himself. Claire didn't mean to get pregnant, but she couldn't give up the baby, either. Shannon didn't want to be useless, she just didn't know she knew how to do anything. Michael didn't want to be a bad father, he just chose the wrong woman to have a child with. Walt didn't want to kill the bird, he just didn't understand his powers yet. Sayid didn't want to almost kill Sawyer, but his training kicked in. Boone knew it was wrong to love Shannon, but couldn't let go of her. Jin didn't want to be controling and mean to Sun, but the pressure from her father was more than he could bear.
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7: The Moth (Charlie) reply Posted: Mar 14, 2005 By: cac120 ( 1480 Posts ) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Episode 7: The Moth -- Charlie
Obvious meaning: Charlie coming out of his cocoon. The struggle against his addiction makes him stronger.
Everyone has undergone a transformation on the island. In their previous lives, their friends underestimated them and in some cases they were even unaware of their own potential.
Locke - ridiculed by co-workers, he has the best survivalist skills Jack - The others have made him the leader but he doesn't feel up to the task. Wishes he could save them all, but realistically has a very high patient survival rate. Kate - is able to track anything Sawyer - proved that he does have what it takes to kill, but now has better judgement about when to use a gun Michael - unsuccessful artist - provided showers, trying to build a raft Charlie - one hit wonder, junkie - hero to Claire Boone - worked for mommy - hunter, provider Shannon - completely useless - translator Hurley - ? - built golf course, officiated at Scott's funeral, took census Claire - dead end job, accidentally got pregnant - don't know yet Sun - dutiful daughter, wife - healer, gardener Jin - hit man ? - fisherman Walt - killer of bird - huge potential as a hunter and just about anything else he tries Sayid - soldier who didn't have the heart to kill - trying to solve the mysteries of the island
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8: Confidence Man (Sawyer) reply Posted: Mar 14, 2005 By: cac120 ( 1480 Posts ) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Episode 8: Confidence Man -- Sawyer
Obvious meaning: Sawyer is a confidence man and so was the person responsible for his parents' deaths.
Through the flashbacks, we have learned that they have each used someone to get what they wanted and they have been used.
Jack - involved in his dad's scam to cover up the botched surgery Locke - Dad conned him into giving up a kidney Kate - conned her 'gang' into helping her rob the bank. She didn't tell them her real name or what she was really after. Sawyer - was the classic con man, deceiving people into giving him their money. He also holds many secrets 'in confidence.' Was conned into killing a man. Hurley ? Sayid - pretended Nadia shot the other guard and himself to enable her escape. He also fixed Danielle's music box to get a tool to pick the lock on his chains and escape. Charlie - gained Lucy's trust to steal from her father. Was scammed by brother in the band business. Michael - lied to Walt about Brian giving him up to protect the boys feelings. He also lied to Walt to steal Vincent from Brian. He was conned into giving up Walt. Walt - probably cons Vincent into doing all sorts of things. Let his Dad think that Jin and then the Others burned the raft. Sun - used Jin to get her away from her father and into a position to escape. Lied about knowing English, possibly to overhear conversations. Jin - conned into becoming a hit man. Scammed Sun into thinking he didn't have a father Boone - conned by Shannon to get money. Stole water. Shannon used 'boyfriends' to get money from Boone. Used Charlie to get a fish. Believes Boone and Step-Martha stole her money. Claire - conned into getting on the plane.
Obvious reference: Sayid tortured Nadia in solitary confinement when he was in the Republican Guard. Now Danielle imprisons and tortures Sayid.
They are all rather lonely figures in their flashbacks. They all appear to be somewhat withdrawn and haven't left anyone they are close to who is looking for them or mourning them.
Jack was in a self-imposed exile until he was sent to Australia. Locke's closest relationship was with someone he paid to talk to on the phone. Kate has been in love, but he might be the man she killed. Sawyer moves around a lot, doesn't use his real name Hurley ? Sayid hasn't seen Nadia for 7 years, doesn't know whether she's still alive. Has hinted that his family might have been killed. Charlie's brother doesn't want to revive the band Michael has Walt with him Walt has been given away by Brian Sun's father might be looking for her, but she doesn't want to be found. Didn't trust Jin, Jin kept many secrets from Sun. Boone's mom is too busy to notice they're gone Shannon's dad is dead Claire was disowned by her mother and abandoned by her boyfriend
Danielle has been alone on the island for 16 years. Rose believes her husband will join her. Ethan may have been alone since his own arrival on the island.
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Re: Raided By Another (Claire) reply Posted: Mar 14, 2005 By: cac120 ( 1480 Posts ) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Episode 10: Raised By Another Claire
Obvious meaning: The psychic warned Claire that she must raise her baby or the outcome won't be good.
If you remember what we've heard throughout the series, a LOT of these characters have been orphaned in some way.
Jack's father just died, but is still with him on the island. Kate killed the man she loved. Was this her father? Don't know about mom. Saywer's parents died when he was young. He must have been raised by another, possibly his grandparents. Locke had a foster mother, who died. Shannon's father (Boone's stepfather) died. What about her mom, his dad? Sayid said the military would kill his family if he deserted. Did they? Walt was taken from his father, his mother died and stepfather gave him up. Hurley's father hasn't been mentioned, but he was close to his grandfather. Jin seems to have been adopted by Sun's father. Sun has a father but we don't know about her mother. Claire's baby's father has abandoned him already. Michael hasn't mentioned parents. Charlie went to the Father at the church for advice rather than his own parents. Claire's mother threatened to disown her if she had the baby and her father hasn't been mentioned.
Is finding surrogate parents what they need for redemption? Are Locke and Rose emerging as parents? Do the others share her baby's doom if they don't create a family among themselves?
A's analysis of Claire's prophetic dream:
1-Claire is awakened by a child crying.
Claire is drawing close to the birth. The child is coming.
2-She enters the jungle to find the crying child.
Claire has found herself at the time of delivery on the island, and she is about to be seperated from her child. She begins the quest.
3-She finds Locke sitting at a Tarot table, he has one eye white, and one eye black.
Locke and the island are symbiotic. Can't have one without the other. They are a single entity. This is the first confirmation that we have that Locke perceives the island within himself, and himself within the island. They co-exist. This is the secret of the monster he veiwed. The monster exists within and of the island. It can't exist without the island, and Locke feels that is true of himself as well.
Locke warns that the balance of the island lies in the child, and in it's connection to Claire. They must be together if the island is to remain in balance (white eye, black eye). This is the voice of the Call to Adventure. It also tells you whether or not Claire will be the one who dies.
11: All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues (Jack) reply Posted: Mar 14, 2005 By: cac120 ( 1480 Posts ) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Episode 11: All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues -- Jack
Obvious reference: Jack has unresolved issues with his father.
But who doesn't? And some of those issues might be about being fathers (or mothers) themselves.
Jack destroyed his father's career by testifying that Dad had killed a pregnant woman in surgery. Needs to hear that Dad loved him and was proud of him for what he did, a message which currently rests in Sawyer's hoard. Was going to cover for Dad until he heard the patient was "pregnant."
Locke gives fatherly advice to all the castaways. Dad was "not cool."
Kate was taught to track by her father. Was he the man she loved and killed? Did she have a son who owned the toy plane?
Sawyer hid under his bed during his parents' murder-suicide. Took the name of the man he blamed (gave up his father's name) and hunted him until he realized that it was his father's weakness that really killed them.
Hurley's father hasn't been mentioned. His Grandfather dies from the curse of the numbers. Sayid ? Charlie has a priest for a surrogate father, yet committed a multitude of sins.
Michael named his son for his father. A family trait is being able to manipulate the physical world with their minds, which may grow stronger with each generation. Walt was taken from his father by his mother and not allowed any contact.
Sun's father is extremely controlling Jin was forced into working for Sun's father. Said his father was dead because he was ashamed he was a fisherman. Discusssion about Claire's baby raised suspicion that they had a baby or pregnancy.
Boone has mother issues because she is the stronger parent. Mom is a perfectionist and Boone constantly fails because he knows he will never live up to her expectations. Shannon's late father left her no money. Perfectionist step-mom has caused Shannon to stop trying to do anything.
Claire may have been abandoned by her father. Her baby's father has also abandoned them.
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12: Whatever the Case May Be (Kate) reply Posted: Mar 14, 2005 By: cac120 ( 1480 Posts ) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Episode 12: Whatever the Case May Be -- Kate
Obvious reference: The Haliburton case that holds something of value to Kate. Jack and Sawyer are curious about what this could be.
'Whatever the case may be' is also a commonly used reference to what is unknown. There are many things we do not yet know the importance of.
Why was Jack so concerned that the dead patient was pregnant? Who were the bodies in the cave? Why was Shannon disinheritted by her father? Who is Shannon's ex-husband? Who is Kate's ex-husband? Who was Ethan? How did he get to the island? What happened to Alex? Why is the toy plane so important to Kate? Where did Susan die? Where has Sayid been for seven years? Does Jin speak English? Is Helen a phone sex worker or a phone psychic? Why does English Lucy have an Australian accent? Who was the man Kate loved and killed? How did Locke become paralyzed? And how did he walk again? Who was driving the car that hit Michael? In the taxi that went by first? Is Rose's husband, and others in the tail section, alive? What had Michael & Susan "been through" before she left him? Why did Michael's nurse mention her four children? What is the significance of 815? Why is the watch so important to Jin? What is Danielle's power source and who is controlling it? Why did Hurley' lottery win make the news in Korea?
I know there are more.
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13: Hearts and Minds (Boone) reply Posted: Mar 14, 2005 By: cac120 ( 1480 Posts ) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Episode 13: Hearts and Minds -- Boone
Obvious reference: Boone's heart wants Shannon but his mind keeps telling him she's his step-sister.
In the speech that he gave, at the height of the Vietnam War, Johnson was referring to the South Vietnamese when he said that "ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live out there."
Your opinion of that war and that view are individual, so let's concentrate on the use of this phrase.
What Johnson was stating was that a victory can't be made in a situation unless both the heart and the mind are in agreement. Your mind might tell you that something is bad for you, but until your heart accepts it as well, you won't win.
Boone knew that his relationship with Shannon was destructive. He knew that she is not healthy enough to know or understand love. But he slept with her anyway. And then she said, now we go back to what we were.
His guilt and conflict were blinding him to everything else that could, should, or would have to be done. Boone was frozen between heart and mind.
"Ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live out there." (AdaWhen)
Who else does this apply to and what does it have to do with the Hearts and Minds speech from the vietnam war era? (mrsbuns)
Jack Locke wants Helen, the phone psychic or phone sex lady who sees him only as a customer. Kate Sawyer Hurley Sayid chose Nadia over Omar and his duty. Charlie Michael wants to protect Walt like a baby, even though he's 10 Walt wants to be treated as an adult, but he's 10 Sun Jin Boone has a crush on his step-sister Shannon Shannon Claire
Danielle Rose Ethan
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14: Special (Michael) reply Posted: Mar 14, 2005 By: cac120 ( 1480 Posts ) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Episode 14: Special -- Michael
Obvious meaning: Walt's special power, which is to see things in his mind and have them happen in the physical world.
The island is revealing that everyone is special in their own way, that they each have a special skill which is contributing to the group as a whole. They were all looked down upon in their past lives, but now are revealed to be capable.
Special had more to do with something else than with Walt!
Locke - highly observant of everyone and everything. Seems to know what's better for them than they do themselves. Philosopher. Is able to see the truth of the island unhindered by his past experiences. Jack - Must have used some special power to revive Charlie. Seemed super strong when fighting Ethan the second time. Kate - Sawyer - Michael - Channels his ability to create things he sees in his mind into his art. Charlie - Boone - staring at the hatch, waiting for it to open. Shannon - Hurley - Claire - is carrying a very special baby Sun - Jin - Walt - sees thing in his mind and makes them happen - polar bears, burns raft Sayid - Ethan - stronger than the average man Vincent - Can see the things that are in Walt's mind before they happen in the physical world. Claire's baby - causes his mother to have prophetic dreams.
Obvious meaning: Claire escapes from Ethan and returns to the castaways.
Adawhen gave us some hints about what to look for:
The title refers to other things more than to Claire. In fact, Claire was incidental. Watch it again, and see if you can see what the writers were trying to get across to you. Who is having a homecoming here? What is a homecoming? In other words, what is the key element of missing home? Memories, perhaps? Knowledge of what is real and what isn't? The place where you are known, and where you belong? Where we love? Who had a homecoming? Who DIDN'T?
None of these people wanted to be on that plane or reach their destination, so the houses they came from aren't really their homes. Are they finding that their true home is with each other on the island?
Jack - the doctor is useful on the island, but he's not opening up to anyone. He feels like a failure as a doctor, even though he's truly successful. Locke - is on the Walkabout that he is well suited to. Feels at home on the island and is the one who understands it best. Kate - also putting her skills to good use; starting to connect to Jack and Sawyer by sharing her secrets. Happily 'sinking' in the sand of freedom. Has been reunited with the toy plane and the attached memories. Sawyer - Probably moved around to much to literally have a home. He decided he didn't need revenge on the boar, so that part of him is at rest. Had bought a spot on the raft, so does not feel like the island is home. Hurley - had a homecoming when Danielle believed him about the numbers being cursed. Sayid - has a chance to be a soldier again, but is that something he was trying to leave behind him? Beginning a relationship with Shannon. Charlie - In his flashbacks, he wanted to be needed but was actually using everyone to get what he wanted. On the island he feels needed by Claire. Gave in to the primal forces of the island when he killed Ethan. Michael - has been reunited with his son. Is building a second raft to leave the island. Walt - getting more attention from Michael and Locke than he had from Susan & Brian. Feels more at home on the island than in his former transient life. Sun - seems to have led a very sheltered life, but is now expressing herself. Looked highly content on the beach after separating from Jin. Jin - Kept secrets from Sun but now seems to be connecting, perhaps through a memory of a baby. Boone - trying to contribute, but still failing Shannon - Sayid makes her feel useful, for probably the first time in her life Claire - came back from her kidnapper, is starting to remember Scott - went 'home to God' Ethan - not sure if he went home to God, but he is in his eternal home Vincent - was kidnapped from Brian, wanders off a lot, but keeps coming home to Walt. May have made friends with the Whisperers.
Obvious meaning: Sawyer is an outlaw because he killed Hibbs and the boar is an outlaw because he attacks Sawyer.
We tend to think of outlaws as criminals, but really they are people who take the law into their own hands. They do this because they feel justified in what they are doing.
Something occurred in this episode that hasn't happened before. What was it?
Jack - still the centre of the group. Upheld the law by testifying against his father. Sayid somehow justifies torture and killing yet is appalled by Charlie reading Claire's diary. Charlie feels justified in reading Claire's diary because it yields a clue to finding her. Michael steals Vincent from Brian who stole Walt from Michael. Charlie steals the box, but it wasnt' Lucy's father's box anyway. It was Winston Churchill's. Sawyer feels justified in killing original Sawyer because he killed his parents. He feels guilty only when he realizes he has killed the wrong man. Kate somehow feels the plane is truly hers. Danielle killed Robert in self-defence. Charlie killed Ethan because of whatever he witnessed Ethan doing to Claire. Ethan feels justified in killing Scott because they kept Claire from him. Locke - Hurley - Walt accidentally-on-purpose burned the raft because he father planned to take him from the island on it Sun - Jin bet the Environment minister to save him from being killed by the hitman Boone - 'killed' Shannon to rid himself of the responsibility for her (in his halucination) Shannon - Claire -
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17: ... in Translation (Jin) reply Posted: Mar 14, 2005 By: cac120 ( 1480 Posts ) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Episode 17: . . . in Translation (Jin)
Obvious meaning: Due to comnunication difficulties, Jin is wrongly assumed to have burned the raft and killed someone. Sun's revelation that she speaks English proved his innocence. Title refers to the film Lost in Translation.
"I figured the title of Jin's episode was a play on that movie, and that it referred to his inability to communicate with the other survivors. But, . . . there is usually multiple layers of meaning with everything on this show...
What is the movie about? A man, completely miserable in his life, who hates his job and feels like a sell-out, thrust into a foreign environment where he is basically isolated and forced to confront his own inner demons and learn to find joy in life again, through an actual connection with another human being." (mrsbuns and pink)
Jack Locke Kate Sawyer was assumed to be the prisoner, and perhaps stll is as Jack is the only one who knows it's Kate. Hurley Sayid was assumed to be a terrorist by Sawyer and airport security. Charlie Michael was thought to hate being a dad when really he was just afraid Walt Sun Jin was thought to have killed someone and burned the raft, but is innocent. Boone Shannon left out information when she translated Danielle's transmission. Is trying to translate the maps. Claire Danielle - thought to be crazy for hearing voices until Sayid heard them. Rose - thought to be in denial over her husband death, but ??? Ethan - assumed to be on Flight 815, but he was already on the island
Language and Geography
The subject of language and translation has come up throughout the series. Since language is tied to geography, let's include where these characters came from as well. It may give us some insight into how their paths have crossed in the past. Since most only appear to speak English, I won't note that for each one.
Jack - Los Angeles Locke - California Kate - Canada, Fort Lewis, WA, New Mexico - father was in the military, so she may have traveled as a child. Sawyer - Tennessee - Parents don't have Southern accents, but Sawyer certainly does. Hurley - California Sayid - Iraq - Arabic and English with a British accent - Served in the Gulf War, but hasn't mentioned more recent conflicts. Was still in the Republican Guard seven years ago. Charlie - Manchester (or near that part of England) - Brother lives in Australia. May have toured internationally with his band. Was trying to sign recording contract in L.A. Michael - ?, New York - Traveled to Australia to retrieve son Walt - New York, Amsterdam, Australia - lived in several countries because his parents worked for an international law firm Sun - Korea - speaks Korean and English Jin - Korea - speaks Korean Boone - ? Shannon - learned French living with a man and his son in St. Tropez Claire - Australia - thought she was on her way to L.A. to give up her baby for adoption. Danielle - France - speaks French, English and several other European languages. Used the English pronunciation of Robert when referring to her love. Doesn't know where her child, Alex, is. Ethan - Ontario (Canada or California?) Lucy - English girl with an Australian accent
Presumed meaning: Reference to the number 815, which has appeared in all episodes but one. That episode is significant for not having the number in it.
1. (Lost) Pilot -- 2. Pilot, Part2 -- 3. Tabula Rasa -- 4. Walkabout -- 5. White Rabbit -- 6. House of the Rising Sun -- 11:15 am Aus time = 8:15 am the previous day L.A. time (thanks Sevilea & electricsheep) 7. The Moth -- 8. Confidence man -- 9. Solitary -- 10. Raised by Another -- Psychic mentions Flight Number 815 (thanks BlackRock21) 11. All The Best Cowboys have Daddy Issues -- 12. Whatever the Case May Be -- Safety deposit box 815 (thanks BlackRock21) 13. Hearts and Minds -- 14. Special -- Danielle's map (thanks ?) 15. Homecoming -- Photocopier (thanks BlackRock21) 16. Outlaws -- 8 glasses of 15 year old whisky (thanks Lark0016 & cac120) 17. . . . In Translation -- 8 km to riverbank, 15 ? 18. Numbers -- (thanks spoiler people) 19. Deux ex Machina 20. Do No Harm 21. The Greater Good 22. 23. 24.
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Also: 15 ATE on Charlie's fingers (thanks Armymom) - from a photo, but from which episode?
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19: Deus ex Machina/Duex ex Machina (Locke) reply Posted: Mar 14, 2005 By: cac120 ( 1480 Posts ) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Episode 19: Deus ex Machina -- Locke
Literal meaning: Two from the Machine
The title is a pun on Deus ex Machina, (God from the machine) a literary and theatrical device where the hand of God reaches in and puts the plot back on track. It is used when the story has become impossible to resolve without an unbelievable twist.
An example from Watership Down: A rabbit is about to be killed by a cat until a little girl comes along to rescue the rabbit and set it free along the path to its new home.
The plane crashed in a way that is inconsistent with anyone surviving. Nonetheless, we accept that this happened because without it we don't have a show. Equally dramatic things have happened to the individuals involved.
Jack Locke is no longer paralyzed. Kate Sawyer Hurley Sayid Charlie was revived by Jack. Michael was hit by the car. Walt's mother died suddenly Sun Jin Boone Shannon Claire was given a plane ticket by a psychic
Rose believes her husband is alive.
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20: Do No Harm (Jack) reply Posted: Mar 14, 2005 By: cac120 ( 1480 Posts ) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Episode 20: Do No Harm -- Jack
Presumed meaning: A reference to the medical directive to 'first, do no harm,' meaning that when attempting to help someone, you shouldn't inadvertantly make them worse.
We've seen a few instances already.
Jack Locke Kate Sawyer tried to kill the marshall, but only gave him more pain. Hurley Sayid Charlie Michael Walt Sun Jin Boone tries to resuscitate Rose but has her head in the wrong position. He also tried to save the drowning Joanne but Jack had to save him while letting her drown. Shannon Claire
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21: The Greater Good / Sides (Sayid) reply Posted: Mar 14, 2005 By: cac120 ( 1480 Posts ) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Episode 21: The Greater Good (a.k.a. Sides) -- Sayid
Presumed meaning: Something, or someone, is sacrificed for the benefit of everyone else.
Jack's father said that he sacrificed his relationship with Jack for the greater good of the patients he could save.
Jack might be sacrificing his sanity to lead them all. Locke Kate Sawyer has sacrificed pieces of his stash to gain information that might end up helping them all. Hurley Sayid shot himself to save Nadia. Charlie Michael Walt Sun Jin Boone Shannon Claire was willing to give up her baby to a better life.
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22: Born to Run (Kate) reply Posted: Mar 14, 2005 By: cac120 ( 1480 Posts ) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Episode 22: Born to Run -- Kate
Presumed meaning: Kate is on the run from the law again.
Are the others running from something in their pasts?
Jack - running away from responsibility... the responsibilities placed upon him by others, as well as (and especially) the unrealistic, larger-than-life burden of responsibility he places upon himself. But again, on Isle de Lost, he has found himself smack dab in the middle of the very thing he was running from - everyone places a huge amount of responsibility on Jack... as healer, decision maker, counselor, savior, leader...
Kate - I still don't feel like I know enough about Kate and her "story" to tell... even after two back stories (both focused on a similar time in her life - robbing the bank, and running from the law) - I think the third chapter in her FB trilogy will be an important piece of the Kate puzzle. We know she can shoot a gun and is capable of wounding someone with it... for a toy plane, but she also intentionally shot to wound, not to kill. she also pulled the farmer from his truck, rather than letting him die - even though it meant her capture. And in the plane, when the marshall was knocked out as the plane started to fall apart - she tried to put his oxygen mask on him. She is not a bad person at heart - and she has heart.
Right now - my feeling (and guess) is that Kate is running from the truth. I don't think Kate even knows what some of the truths are that's she's running from. That's why she's running - she's afraid of what the truth might be - and rather than stopping and facing the truth (which may not be as bad as she thinks), she runs... avoiding it... fearing it. I think that's why she believes she killed the man she loved. She doesn't really know the whole truth - and she doesn't want to know... fearing it's going to be even worse than what she already believes.
Sawyer - I think Sawyer is running from trust. He doesn't trust because the two most important people in his life - the only two people he ever trusted implicitly - betrayed that trust in an enormous way. His mother had an affair, and then his father killed his mother and himself... abandoning him. Sawyer doesn't want to let anyone else betray his trust like that, so he's running from trust. He keeps his walls up, and when he starts to soften and feel and trust... he'll slam the door shut with one of his snide, hurtful remarks... hurting others to protect himself from getting hurt. I don't know if Sawyer even truly trusts himself...
Locke - running from his limitations, or the limitation placed on him by society, ney-sayers, negative energy (from the people around him), isolation (which is ironic, since it seems being on an island like that with strangers would be even more isolating, but it's all a matter of perspective). And of course, the epi title "Born to Run" is ironic with Locke, since before the crash he wasn't able to run at all... and now can run as much as he wants.
Hurley - ultimately I think he's trying to distance himself from the "bad luck" or "curse" that he believes the numbers brought him. It may seem like it's the numbers he's distancing himself from - but he's running from the curse/bad luck... and whatever is causing it. Ever since he won the money, he's believed he's been cursed - he just transferred that belief from beliving the money to be the cause, to believing the numbers were the cause of the curse.
Boone - Running from expectations... his mother's, Shannon's... Do you think he WANTED to work for his mother's bridal company? He's doing what mommy expects of him. Flying around the world to bail Shannon out of another abuse situation (so he thought) - meeting sis's expectations. Sadly, he's now spending every waking moment trying to live up to Locke's expectations too. I know it seems like Locke is trying to "help" Boone "grow", but in many ways, Locke is clearly using Boone... and Boone is so eager to please and be validated, just like he did with mom and step-sis, and probably wanted from absent pop, that he's fallen face first into the very thing he's been running from. Just went from trying to live up to one person's expectations to another's.
By the way, regarding Hurley - I think there is probably something even deeper that he's running from... the real root of his story... which we probably haven't even begun to realize yet. We've only seen one chapter of his backstory... the others will reveal a lot more. Then we'll learn a lot more about what he's running from.
Sayid Charlie - trying to overcome his addiction Michael Walt Sun - her father Jin - Sun's father Shannon Claire
Danielle - moved her home so Sayid wouldn't find her. Afraid of the Others. Can't leave the island until she finds Alex. Rose Ethan
Special thanks to MEandthesea for the longer character analyses.
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23: Exodus -- Season Finale (Part 1) reply Posted: Mar 14, 2005 By: cac120 ( 1480 Posts ) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Episode 23 Season Finale (Part 1)
Title source is the National Enquirer, so ...
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24: Exodus Part Two -- Season Finale (Part 2) reply Posted: Mar 14, 2005 By: cac120 ( 1480 Posts ) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Episode 24 Season Finale (Part 2)
Title source is the National Enquirer, so ...
And for Season 2, we know so far:
2.01 -- Man of Science, Man of Faith (Jack) 2.02 -- Adrift (Michael) 2.03 -- Orientation (Locke) 2.04 -- Everybody Hates Hugo (Hurley) 2.05 -- ... and Found (Jin) 2.06 -- Abandoned (Shannon) 2.07 -- The Other 48 Days (Tail Enders) 2.08 -- Collision (a.k.a.Old Habits) (Ana-Lucia) 2.09 -- What Kate Did (a.k.a. Lone Wolf) (Kate)
Two titles that were listed, but then disappeared: -- Cosmos (Charlie) - working theme is forgiveness -- The Real Mr. Sawyer (Sawyer)
by: Sneaker123 (834 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
I looked "...And found" the new thread:
A couple thoughts on ...and Found:
1. I'll reiterate my concern about Sawyer's recollection of the manifest, especially with as unique a name as "Mr. Echo". And Libby says they've got "Trust issues". Perhaps they've been infiltrated before (like Ethan-- could be a standard procedure). But Mr. Echo really seems to be a straight up guy-- I really WANT him to be OK.
2. Before Jin says "Others" to Mr. Echo (when they go off alone to follow Michael), do we have any actual scenes showing the Rafties use the term "Others" in the presence of the Tailies? Point being, if they already use the term "The Others", then where did they get it from? Whispers? Danielle?
3. What does Orange mean in the Color wheel?
4. Ultra build-up for the next episode. Exactly WHEN is it? First Wed. in Nov?
Mr. Echo still seems a wee bit sketchy. It seems odd that he says to Jin "we've lost the trail" and suddenly Michael appears.
That was my first feeling as well. Like he was off to check on something or someone.
Just to give everyone a heads up, I'm going to lurk from now on in here. Is that alright? I swear I'm not stalking you, I just LOVE your all's threads. But, I'm honestly smart enough to get into some of it.
by: jenniferplease (154 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 12, 2005
Can a possible spoiler be talked about on your thread? I'll post my question down low in case you don't want it, though I'm betting you guys here know everything.
I thought I read that Libby wasn't who we thought she was, she says she is a psychologist,but is really crazy. I wonder if she'll have anything to so with the death coming up. Does anyone remember reading this?
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
frenchy: bumpity bumpity bump.
Mr. Echo still seems a wee bit sketchy. It seems odd that he says to Jin "we've lost the trail" and suddenly Michael appears.
Eh, I don't know. I didn't think it was that odd. They obviously followed the trail close to there. It sounds like Michael knew Jin and Echo where there, but didn't want to come out until Echo left. I think Michael may have circled around to the other side of the river a little further up, or lower, so they hadn't lost the trail far from there.
Michael took off, and Jin followed... until they got the waterfall - and then Mr. Echo came around from the left of the waterfall - the direction they were heading to, not coming from - so Echo must have followed the river up and come around from the other side of it.
Anyway, I'm sensing that Echo is a good guy - but it's so hard to say with this show! Now, I don't for a minute think he was on the flight, but that doesn't mean he's going to be a bad guy.
Though, we KNOW Bernard, Cindy and A/L were on the flight... but we don't know for sure that Libby was... nor Echo (but I don't think he was on it , I think he was from the Beechcraft).
I see a lot of potential in Libby though - I like her so far - so I hope she doesn't end up being an Other or someone bad.
I almost feel that if the Others infiltrated the Tail-enders, they've done it already and have already implemented a plan - and that's why so many of them are dead... and the Tail-enders know who is and isn't (though, they don't have the manifest, so hard to say).
So, not sure if any of that group we saw tonight would be an "Other"... but if there was one, it would have to have be Libby, or Echo.... but I'm thinking maybe none of them are Others at this point.
by: SVSupb4ever (36 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 08, 2005
bumpity bumpity bump.
Mr. Echo still seems a wee bit sketchy. It seems odd that he says to Jin "we've lost the trail" and suddenly Michael appears.
Yeah i thought it was really weird that he said this....especially since he looked up and around as if he heard or "knew" someone was coming. obviously a big part in the story. Another thing i noticed strange was the teddy bear. Some people said that Des grabbed one before he fled the hatch. Is he a "other". Or does the teddy belong to Danielles child? Remember the others took her. Just thought id share my thoughts.
by: LostinBlue (2433 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
My, it's bad "out there." Already a new thread? Last one really moved!
Some observations before I jump off the board, more tomorrow:
-The walls of the other hatch were painted green on the bottom half. -There was a sign above a threshold in the resturant during Sun's date. I didn't get a good look at it. -There was a sign on the bridge where Sun and Jin meet. Looked like a garden festival sign? numbers "5" then "7-9" were on there. Maybe some Korean readers will translate. -The Others come from the interior. Can the tailenders just skirt the beach? How do the Others get to that boat? -The walk-by of the others was weird - not just because it was silent. There looked to be men and women. -At the entrance to the new hatch, there was red-purple foliage that looked to be the same as that "spoiler" photo that was up this week -I thought I spied something on a tree. Like a piece of fabric tied as a marker, as in the Dark Territory. I have to look at that again. -There was something behind Jin when he stood up at the stream - looked like a water bottle (maybe a goof?) - The bladder that Mr. Echo was carrying: made on the island? From what animal? -Question: Did all the survivors arrive to the island like Ana Lucia? Crashed then found themselves in the water and swam ashore? Is that why they look to be have little belongings and clothing (looked like Cindy was in flight attendants dress)? No suitcases to rumage through? - I like Mr. Echo. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Oh, by the way, it just occurred to me - as I posted my previous post - I'm pretty sure that in Peter Pan... at least in one of the movies (maybe the animated one), the youngest child carries around his teddy bear on a rope like that. I don't think it's one of the Lost Boys in Neverland... but I'd have to check to be sure.
I just wonder if it's a hint that most of the Others are children who were kidnapped and raised by the Others... trained to kill... or were manipulated into Lord of the Flies mentality.
By the way, Desmond took a stuffed rabbit, not a stuffed teddy bear. Still a stuffed toy - Walt's polar bear, Des's rabbit, and one of the Other's has a teddy bear....
by: The_Original_G_Man (684 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 01, 2005
- I like Mr. Echo. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
I agree. Mister Echo totally rocks. He makes my starting 5 I think.
Anyone think Jin is understanding and speaking a little too much English?
And what's the deal with Sun's prospective boyfriend? He didn't think she thought they were supposed to be ... interested in each other? Huh?
by: jenniferplease (154 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 12, 2005
Oh, by the way, it just occurred to me - as I posted my previous post - I'm pretty sure that in Peter Pan... at least in one of the movies (maybe the animated one), the youngest child carries around his teddy bear on a rope like that. I don't think it's one of the Lost Boys in Neverland... but I'd have to check to be sure.
I just wonder if it's a hint that most of the Others are children who were kidnapped and raised by the Others... trained to kill... or were manipulated into Lord of the Flies mentality.
By the way, Desmond took a stuffed rabbit, not a stuffed teddy bear. Still a stuffed toy - Walt's polar bear, Des's rabbit, and one of the Other's has a teddy bear....
Hmmmm... is that a sign of "him"?
I thought of Peter Pan too, after the preview last week. We have the animated Disney version and it is Michael (the youngest boy) who has the teddy and he and the older brother (John) and the lost boys (weird name coincidences!) are caught by indians and they are dragged to the indian village. The indians tie Michael's bear up just like the others did and drag it along with them. In the movie the indians and the lost boys are friends and catch each other all the time apparently.
by: LIONARTist (2410 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 09, 2005
So maybe the threat isn't real. Maybe it's a scare tactic like the monsters in THE VILLAGE, to make sure no one goes to certain parts of the island. That can't be true though. They did kill Scott/Steve, right? Unless something else killed him.
by: LostinBlue (2433 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
Oh, by the way, it just occurred to me - as I posted my previous post - I'm pretty sure that in Peter Pan... at least in one of the movies (maybe the animated one), the youngest child carries around his teddy bear on a rope like that. I don't think it's one of the Lost Boys in Neverland... but I'd have to check to be sure.
I had a similar thought after the last ep...
When Ana is thrown into the pit, Michael says, "It's a girl!"
That reminded me of Peter Pan... or maybe another story I can't place. The line seems.... quirky?
by: Sneaker123 (834 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
Did all the survivors arrive to the island like Ana Lucia? Crashed then found themselves in the water and swam ashore? Is that why they look to be have little belongings and clothing (looked like Cindy was in flight attendants dress)? No suitcases to rumage through?
Good question. Seems they just found each other on the beach. I always had a bit of a question about how Jack ends up in the jungle while most everyone else was solidly on the beach.
What's with the absence of any Cindy interaction? In fact, I don't think that's the same actress (and what a cheesy wig). Is that supposed to be the same person that gave Jack extra vodkas? What ever happened to "obey all instructions from the flight crew"???
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
jennifer: I thought of Peter Pan too, after the preview last week. We have the animated Disney version and it is Michael (the youngest boy) who has the teddy and he and the older brother (John) and the lost boys (weird name coincidences!) are caught by indians and they are dragged to the indian village. The indians tie Michael's bear up just like the others did and drag it along with them.
Ah - yes... I was right then! It WAS the youngest child (Michael)!
by: twolfe71a (297 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 17, 2005
Oh, by the way, it just occurred to me - as I posted my previous post - I'm pretty sure that in Peter Pan... at least in one of the movies (maybe the animated one), the youngest child carries around his teddy bear on a rope like that. I don't think it's one of the Lost Boys in Neverland... but I'd have to check to be sure.
Oh, ME, that's creepy. The little boy you're talking about from Peter Pan, he's not one of the Lost Boys. He's Wendy's youngest brother -- MICHAEL!
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
-Question: Did all the survivors arrive to the island like Ana Lucia? Crashed then found themselves in the water and swam ashore? Is that why they look to be have little belongings and clothing (looked like Cindy was in flight attendants dress)? No suitcases to rumage through?
I don't know if they really found themselves in water and had to swim ashore or not. Considering how our Losties were all over the place, even two people sitting right next to each other on the plane, the Tail-Enders could have found themselves perched on top of a palm tree for all we know. Point being, I thought A/L was lying through her teeth about how they survived the crash.
As far as then having no clothing and belongings... I've mentioned a couple of times since the season started that the Tail-enders got the short end of the stick. OUR Losties ended up with all the luggage - the fusalage, the cargo hold, and the front end. They had access to ALL the luggage they could find - of those who died, as well as their own if they could find it.
Like I said, I'm waiting for the moment when Ana Lucia finds Kate or Shannon wearing her favorite top or jeans! LOL Not that Shannon would be caught dead in A/L's style of clothing - and i think Kate is too petite for A/L's clothing.
Anyway, I don't think there was much in the tail section - I think our Losties hit paydirt. The Tailers aren't going to be thrilled when they see how the Front Enders have been living, in comparison.
I mean, the fear on Libby's face is QUITE freaky! And even Eko's warnings.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
twolfe: Oh, ME, that's creepy. The little boy you're talking about from Peter Pan, he's not one of the Lost Boys. He's Wendy's youngest brother -- MICHAEL!
Yes, that's what i said - the teddy bear on a rope in Peter Pan belonged to the youngest child... NOT one of the Lost Boys. I knew the youngest child's name was Michael - I meant to type it when writing my post, but realize now I didn't. But I did say the youngest child - NOT one of the Lost Boys.
by: LIONARTist (2410 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 09, 2005
Started looking up Mr. Eko and then spelling it like Mr. ECHO and came up with a Echocardiogram machine. That made me think of the book that A pointed out. ECG Workout.
What is an Echocardiogram: An echocardiogram is a test in which ultrasound is used to examine the heart. The equipment is far superior to that used by fishermen. In addition to providing single-dimension images, known as M-mode echo that allows accurate measurement of the heart chambers, the echocardiogram also offers far more sophisticated and advanced imaging. This is known as two- dimensional (2-D) Echo and is capable of displaying a cross-sectional "slice" of the beating heart, including the chambers, valves and the major blood vessels that exit from the left and right ventricle
An echocardiogram can be obtained in a physician's office or in the hospital. For a resting echocardiogram (in contrast to a stress echo or TEE, discussed elsewhere) no special preparation is necessary. Clothing from the upper body is removed and covered by a gown or sheet to keep you comfortable and maintain the privacy of females. The patient then lies on an examination table or a hospital bed
Sticky patches or electrodes are attached to the chest and shoulders and connected to electrodes or wires. These help to record the electrocardiogram (EKG or ECG) during the echocardiography test. The EKG helps in the timing of various cardiac events (filling and emptying of chambers). A colorless gel is then applied to the chest and the echo transducer is placed on top of it. The echo technologist then makes recordings from different parts of the chest to obtain several views of the heart. You may be asked to move form your back and to the side. Instructions may also be given for you to breathe slowly or to hold your breath. This helps in obtaining higher quality pictures. The images are constantly viewed on the monitor. It is also recorded on photographic paper and on videotape. The tape offers a permanent record of the examination and is reviewed by the physician prior to completion of the final report.
Now, how this is connected, I'm not sure. Mr. Eko is not from the plane. It only says that he is a mysterious island man. Maybe the book/name connection is saying that he was once down in the hatch. Maybe Kelvin's partner. Just had another thought. The ECG stands for ELECTRO-Cardiogram. Mr. Echo had to do with ECHO-Cardiogram. One measures electrical activity in the heart and one uses ultrasound to get an image of the heart. Maybe this has to do with the different studies of the Hanso institute.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Lion, did you see my Echo post from this past week? I'll have to go get it and repost it in this part of the thread - since we've now official been given the name.
Any, I found a number of different references that seem like they could fit Lost.
by: Sneaker123 (834 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
Before Jin says "Others" to Mr. Echo (when they go off alone to follow Michael), do we have any actual scenes showing the Rafties use the term "Others" in the presence of the Tailies? Point being, if they already use the term "The Others", then where did they get it from? Whispers? Danielle?
What does Orange mean in the Color wheel?
And Lostinblue!! How about ME mentioning "Shannon wouldn't be caught dead in A-L's clothes"? You gonna let that spoiler slip in without punishment? src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
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by: LIONARTist (2410 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 09, 2005
In Feng Shui - For example, orange has over time not been a popular color in this country and a preferred color for Monks in the Far East. Faben Birren, author of dozens of books on color describes it thus: since orange uses red and yellow or colors of life and light it stands at the confluence of existence, not venerating one process over the other. Orange is the color of fusion. No wonder monks wear orange, for their role in their religion is not as authority,' but as devotee and student.
by: LostinBlue (2433 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
And Lostinblue!! How about ME mentioning "Shannon wouldn't be caught dead in A-L's clothes"? You gonna let that spoiler slip in without punishment? src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Is that a spoiler? If so, YOU just spoiled it for me.
by: LIONARTist (2410 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 09, 2005
Lion, did you see my Echo post from this past week? I'll have to go get it and repost it in this part of the thread - since we've now official been given the name.
Any, I found a number of different references that seem like they could fit Lost.
I'm sorry Me, I didn't see it. Did I just restate what you had already posted?
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The last three jobs seem to be with the same company, and begin May 1, 1994 (the 4 might be higher). Could that be the place he got promotions (when they typically do not give them)?
The other date at the top seems to be a birth date. Is that Nov. 27, 1974? And does it say he is 30 years old implying the current date (of the scene) is 2004? It would have to be AFTER his Nov 27 birthday in 2004, and his marriage with Sun and trip to Sydney took at least 2-3 years more....
by: back_gammon (960 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Anyone find it interesting when Mr. Echo commented about the dirty-legged people "they" group: "They can't be found unless they want to be."
Makes me wonder how he knows that. Has he tried to look for them before?
Has he previously "found" them when he wasn't looking for them? Does this tie in with the episode theme of finding things when you stop looking for them?
by: Sneaker123 (834 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
In Feng Shui - For example, orange has over time not been a popular color in this country and a preferred color for Monks in the Far East. Faben Birren, author of dozens of books on color describes it thus: since orange uses red and yellow or colors of life and light it stands at the confluence of existence, not venerating one process over the other. Orange is the color of fusion. No wonder monks wear orange, for their role in their religion is not as authority,' but as devotee and student.
Meeting your future mate: Fusion in Orange-- makes sense.
I liked the character driven mode of the last two epi's, but we're gonna need some purple input to keep this alive for three weeks without more clues....
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Sneaker: And Lostinblue!! How about ME mentioning "Shannon wouldn't be caught dead in A-L's clothes"? You gonna let that spoiler slip in without punishment?
Hunh? What are you talking about? What do you mean "that spoiler"? I just stated an opinion.. and was just joking at that.
Lion, it's all good. I didn't post what you did - I just mean, I had found more (but different) Echo references that seemed like they could fit the "Lost" story too. Since you had done some research on "echo" too, thought you might be interested in what I had found. I'll bring it over here tomorrow though - too tired tonight.
by: Sneaker123 (834 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
Sneaker: And Lostinblue!! How about ME mentioning "Shannon wouldn't be caught dead in A-L's clothes"? You gonna let that spoiler slip in without punishment?
Hunh? What are you talking about? What do you mean "that spoiler"? I just stated an opinion.. and was just joking at that.
Lion, it's all good. I didn't post what you did - I just mean, I had found more (but different) Echo references that seemed like they could fit the "Lost" story too. Since you had done some research on "echo" too, thought you might be interested in what I had found. I'll bring it over here tomorrow though - too tired tonight.
Yes - just joking-- both ways (note my src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>).
Tension's too high on the spoiler epidemic-- my bad....
I observed the juxtuposition of your wording similar to common spoiler knowledge and intended a playful tease toward Lostinblue's policing.
In case you had not noticed, I refuse to take myself THAT seriously.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
OH! By the way - WHAT exactly DID Echo say to Sawyer when he said his name? Because I DON'T think he said "mister" Echo.... it didn't sound like "mister" to me, but I couldn't quite catch it, and sawyer apparently didn't either, because he said "Mr. Echo"? And Echo paused, sort of smiled and said, "Yes, Mr. Echo" - it was like he wasn't going to clarify or correct, but was just going to let Sawyer think that's what he said - even though Sawyer misunderstood.
I have to watch that again, and see if I can make out what Echo said.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Sneaker:I observed the juxtuposition of your wording similar to common spoiler knowledge and intended a playful tease toward Lostinblue's policing.
Sneaker, thanks for explaining! I just didn't understand the spoiler part - I haven't bothered to read many spoiler threads lately, so it went right over my head! That's why I was so confused! src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
I knew you were kidding, I just didn't understand the spoiler reference - especially, as I said, I was just posting an opinion/joke myself! src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: OneisLost (100 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004
Anyway, I'm sensing that Echo is a good guy - but it's so hard to say with this show! Now, I don't for a minute think he was on the flight, but that doesn't mean he's going to be a bad guy.
Though, we KNOW Bernard, Cindy and A/L were on the flight... but we don't know for sure that Libby was... nor Echo (but I don't think he was on it , I think he was from the Beechcraft).
I see a lot of potential in Libby though - I like her so far - so I hope she doesn't end up being an Other or someone bad.
Echo hesitated then gave a nod when Jin asked him if the people who killed Goodwin were the others. Why?
Libby's clothes looked more worn and torn than the other tailenders. Was/is she an other? Could she and Echo have been with the others and broken free?
Thought the underlying message of tonight was that you can't change your core being. Jin was always a "stand up man", good values and his letting the child into the hotel proved it, to himself. Even working for Mr. Piak couldn't change his core goodness.
Jack is a liar and I don't trust him. When he said he replaced his ring without the wife knowing it sent chills down my spine. His expression really weirded me out when he said that.
Someone hurry up and send an e-mail before the box is flooded! src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/grin.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: LostinBlue (2433 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
Saw this on another board: Just wanted to add my two cents. Yahoo!, or http://www.yahoo.com to be more specific, is a US based portal. Yahoo! portals exist for numerous countries. Since Jin is Korean, I'll assume that he would use the Korean Yahoo! portal at http://kr.yahoo.com. If he used that portal and it's associated email accounts, his address could potentially be jinsoo74@yahoo.co.kr. The entire jinsoo74@yahoo.com address may have been visible at some other point in the scene, but based on what can be seen in that screen capture, it's hard to say for sure. Again, just my two cents.
Other things I have read: - Sun majored in Art History. Michael is an artist. - Jin's "love color" was orange. The girl he was staring at that made him bump into Sun was wearing orange.
ME - I think I read what you read. GO me if you want to figure this and the other thing out together.
by: Stads_MD (42 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 29, 2005
K. Some translations are coming in:
on the sign hanging from the bridge-- It's about 'Buddist lotus candle festival for Budda's birthday'. No connection with anything, I guess
jin's resume-- name : birth: adress: phone: relation with the head of household : father
1982/3/3 .. entered ** elementary school 1988/2/15 .. graduated ** elementary school (w/o missing any class) 1988/3/4 .. entered** middle school 1991/2/10 .. graduated **middle school(w/o missing any class) 1991/3/9 .. entered ** high school 1994/2/10 .. graduated ** high school / 5/1 .. start working for **fish market / 5/1 .. quit working for **fish market
by: Gothik_Poet (8 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 19, 2005
there has got to be a connection...
last season, one of the Eps was titled Tabula Rasa... if you look this up, it translates as "blank slate"... and the person who studied this theory??? JOHN LOCKE... =)
I'm sure this is old news to most of you, but my wife ran across his name in one of her educational psycology books and kinda freaked out... =) of course, most of the study talks about child psycology... and what are "the others" interested in???
sorry if I'm boring everyone with old news, but this just supports the title connection, imo... =)
and as a side note, reading some of the things about the real John Locke and what he studied puts the character John Locke into a much deeper perspective for me... he seems to be like the island psycologist, and now I understand why... =)
or I could just be off my rocker...
=)
and a little more looking turns up another head-shrinker that studied that "blank slate" theory... Jean Jaques Rousseau... isn't Danielle's last name Rousseau???
oh yeah, and to give credit where it's due, Aristotle (sp?) was the one that came up with the theory, if my research is correct... =)
by: hrslvr_paints (2700 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 25, 2005
Do any of y'all still have A's q's for the season premiere and for Everybody Hates Hugo? (I'm assuming the ones for ...And Found won't be up till midnight.) Thanks tons!
by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
I should be going to bed, so I won't read and just post a few quick observations from my notes tonight.
It's been 4 days since the raft left. One of the questions for another episode this season had 4 days for the answer.
Jack's wedding ring went down the drain. There has been speculation that Alex went down the drain of the rafiot. Could that be where the children are being marched to? And why don't they have shoes?
Others are inland from the NE? end of the island. That would be somewhere near the dangerous rivers. We saw a waterfall tonight.
Hurley's dog ate $1.35, or 27 nickels.
The impaled guy was named Goodwin.
Did Eko say he was divorced?
Mr. Lee went to Harvard. Wasn't there something from one of the websites that said that's where Jack went to medical school?
These Others don't leave tracks. Ethan left tracks when he took Claire and Charlie. Is this a hint that he wasn't an Other?
Gothik, there was a whole thread on the Philosophers, but I think it's gone now. The ones you mentioned have been very influential to the show.
hrslvr, the q's for the first three are in the second post in this thread, (and there are links to the orignal threads in the first post). The last two haven't arrived yet, but we are hoping she'll post them soon.
by: Iheartlocke (207 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 31, 2005
Well, what could be worse than a wife? I'll have to ask my husband that. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: hrslvr_paints (2700 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 25, 2005
Well, what could be worse than a wife? I'll have to ask my husband that. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: lucky4me8 (276 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Well, what could be worse than a wife? I'll have to ask my husband that. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
I thought I heard, "are you (married)?"; "Was." LOL this is like a game of telephone. I'll rewatch tomorrow.
And, darn, the sign for the Seoul Gateway Hotel logo was only a hexagon!
I did see a feng sui mirror in Jin's friend's apt., however...
by: hurleys_girl (190 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 28, 2005
Sorry to butt in but there's one thing that's really bothering me! Is it possible that Eko just assumed that group of "dirty legged" people were part of the "bad group" or the "others"? Couldn't they have been part of the whisperers? Maybe Eko doesn't realize there are two different groups? They sure seemed alot more placid that I envisioned. And that teddy bear was disturbing!
by: sassafras__k (59 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 08, 2005
ME--That was exactly the way I interpreted it also.
Oops I thought I had hit include post in your reply. I was referring to the statement you made regarding how "Mr. Echo" had said his name to Sawyer. I don't think he said Mister either. He just didn't correct Sawyer. Seemed to find it amusing how Sawyer had interpreted what he said his name was and let it stick.
by: daviscbls (117 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
Wow another thread and I'm only up to page 18 in the last one. I really miss everyone. I promise I'll try to catch up.
A couple of points from last night's epi:
The Ana Lucia losties seem to be on much higher ground. I was thinking that at one time the tunnels connected, that would mean that they are not all on the same level underground.
The 'others' were filthy. I don't see how Ethan could have been one of them. He was clean and smart.
The last one had a teddy. Were they all children? Or just the last one?
by: The_Original_G_Man (684 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 01, 2005
We watch it with Closed Captioning on. A couple of points ... I'm quite sure Mister Echo said the following:
His name was "Mistereko" which Sawyer spit back out as "Mister Echo". Mr Echo even give a little chuckle to him before telling him yes, no doubt noting the humor of it.
He said "worse" in regard to the question of whether he was married. The only thing I can think of is he had more than 1 wife? LOL!
by: sassafras__k (59 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 08, 2005
I also do not think these are the same people as the boat "others". I think these are other others if that makes sense. This IS the most crowded deserted island after all. They just seem to have a different aura about them. I was very creeped out by their silent stealth.
Mr. Echo(for lack of any other name to call him at this point) did not seem to acknowledge Jin referring to them as the Others. He seemed confused at first as to what Jin was saying. I think the Tallies called them "them" or "they" when referring to the bad people. But more than likely this is because there was no one around to put the term "others" into their vocabulary like Daniel did with our section of losties. I guess it remains to be seen if this is another group of others or the same bad group as the boat people.
This is the first episode I was yelling at the TV. When Michael was yelling at the waterfall I found my self yelling at him to "be quiet, they'll hear you!!". My family think Im nuts. I found myself totally wrapped up in this episode.
I really like Mr. Echo. Great new addition to the cast. New things are not always bad so I hope there are not a million threads about how people wish it would just go back to the original cast. Change is not always bad. Im sure there will be people complaining about how this episode was not good enough for them but fortunately I dont go to many other threads as people out there can be frightening. This is by far the BEST thread on the boards--no exceptions.
I love the relationship developing between Michael and Jin. I think either one of them would die for the other. Course Michael has some important business to take care of right now in getting back his son.
Orange--Michael wears orange alot. Jin has good karma when it comes to Orange. Do you think that some of Jins pull towards Michael is a realiztion of what this color represents to him . Kinda Like fate--"be aware of and follow the color orange as it has brought good things in the past"
I almost feel as though they wrapped up alot of past history of Jin and Sun, completed or almost completed the time line so to say. I hope this does not bode badly for SUN as I like her and Jins characters very much.
by: The_Original_G_Man (684 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 01, 2005
I really like Mr. Echo. Great new addition to the cast.
Agree 100%
I love the relationship developing between Michael and Jin. I think either one of them would die for the other.
Agree on Jin. Not on Michael. Michael was willing to put them all in danger with that screaming bit at the waterfall.
Orange--Michael wears orange alot.
Looked more "red" to me. I could be wrong though.
I almost feel as though they wrapped up alot of past history of Jin and Sun, completed or almost completed the time line so to say. I hope this does not bode badly for SUN as I like her and Jins characters very much.
Yeeks! It does now seem as if their back history is for the most part complete. Sun IMO is somewhat expendable as a character though, except for her role as a translator for Jin.
by: Sneaker123 (834 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
I also do not think these are the same people as the boat "others". I think these are other others if that makes sense. This IS the most crowded deserted island after all. They just seem to have a different aura about them. I was very creeped out by their silent stealth.
Mr. Echo(for lack of any other name to call him at this point) did not seem to acknowledge Jin referring to them as the Others. He seemed confused at first as to what Jin was saying. I think the Tallies called them "them" or "they" when referring to the bad people. But more than likely this is because there was no one around to put the term "others" into their vocabulary like Daniel did with our section of losties. I guess it remains to be seen if this is another group of others or the same bad group as the boat people.
This is the first episode I was yelling at the TV. When Michael was yelling at the waterfall I found my self yelling at him to "be quiet, they'll hear you!!". My family think Im nuts. I found myself totally wrapped up in this episode.
I really like Mr. Echo. Great new addition to the cast. New things are not always bad so I hope there are not a million threads about how people wish it would just go back to the original cast. Change is not always bad. Im sure there will be people complaining about how this episode was not good enough for them but fortunately I dont go to many other threads as people out there can be frightening. This is by far the BEST thread on the boards--no exceptions.
I love the relationship developing between Michael and Jin. I think either one of them would die for the other. Course Michael has some important business to take care of right now in getting back his son.
Orange--Michael wears orange alot. Jin has good karma when it comes to Orange. Do you think that some of Jins pull towards Michael is a realiztion of what this color represents to him . Kinda Like fate--"be aware of and follow the color orange as it has brought good things in the past"
I almost feel as though they wrapped up alot of past history of Jin and Sun, completed or almost completed the time line so to say. I hope this does not bode badly for SUN as I like her and Jins characters very much.
Interesting point about dissimilarity between Ethan and these new "Others". From the Whisperer's transcripts, it does seem like they have a different agenda than either Ethan or the "Boat" others. And if these new Others are so careful about detection, that might fit better with the caution expressed in the whispering. Fairly consistent garb too: almost all a dingy grey.
I'll have to rewatch some, but I don't think any rafties used the term "Others" in the presence of the Tailies until Jin did with Mr.E. Of course there was a lot of time Jin had before M&S landed on the beach, and there's not too much more to do in that pit than talk. The Tailies could have been listening.
Earlier in this thread it was noted that Orange can imply fusion (Jin & Sun getting together), and perhaps that also rides Michael's reunion with Walt and his friendship with "Chewie".
by: sassafras__k (59 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 08, 2005
How terrible it will be for Sun when and if the tailenders get to their camp and Jin is not with them. I know I will cry at that emotional scene.
I did shed a couple tears when Kate was frantically searching through the letters in the bottle. I knew immediately what she was doing. She just wanted to hold a piece of something that was Sawyers. I dont think it hit home just how much she cared for Sawyer until she knew he might not be back or was maybe dead.
For anyone out there who doesn't think this show is moving fast enough--Phooey!! Character development is the name of the game. Any great movie or book in the world is usually due to great character development. If you don't care about the people in the show or book then the whole plot doesn't matter, no matter how good the premise is. I for one don't care how long it takes to uncover the secrets as none of them will matter if you dont care about the characters it is affecting. Personally I want to have my guts ripped out when something happens to one of the characters I have grown fond of. (Though there is a certain someone they better not touch or I might need a bucket for my tears.) But, even if that happened I wouldnt stop watching as Im in it to the end no matter what the writers decide is in the best interest of developing the story. I think they are doing a fantastic job so far.
by: sassafras__k (59 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 08, 2005
We watch it with Closed Captioning on. A couple of points ... I'm quite sure Mister Echo said the following:
His name was "Mistereko" which Sawyer spit back out as "Mister Echo". Mr Echo even give a little chuckle to him before telling him yes, no doubt noting the humor of it.
He said "worse" in regard to the question of whether he was married. The only thing I can think of is he had more than 1 wife? LOL!
I think by worse he meant ex-wife. Isnt that an old joke?
by: The_Original_G_Man (684 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 01, 2005
Earlier in this thread it was noted that Orange can imply fusion (Jin & Sun getting together), and perhaps that also rides Michael's reunion with Walt and his friendship with "Chewie".
Interesting that Michael is wearing red and that when last we saw Walt he was wearing a yellow life preserver (which bAtgirl told us to take note of at the time)
by: The_Original_G_Man (684 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 01, 2005
I think by worse he meant ex-wife. Isnt that an old joke?
That was my thought as well. Either that or ... more than one! src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: Slainers (1082 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jul 22, 2005
did anyone see what it said above the door of the Hotel when Jin opened it for the person before the lil boy came up. Did it say Seoul Gateway? Wondered if anyone caught it. Thanks src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: The_Original_G_Man (684 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 01, 2005
By the way, Mars posted this on another thread about whether the sulfur in Kate's shower water meant anything. Involves much input from bAtgirl, so I thought I'd repost:
The sulfur does lead you to something, but the reaction is natural. So is the source of the island energy. The cement is protective and directive, encapsulating a natural energy source. Once you figure out the energy source, the whole thing unfolds. She tried to lead us to it last spring. Remember when she kept saying try to figure out why the visions are happening? Why Locke had his at that time and that place? She kept saying what was going on, you guys keep looking at Boone and the Theresa thing. That was what finally got Val and I to back up and do what she was saying. First A happens, then B, then C. I know, it doesn't seem like she's giving you enough, but she is. Once you find it, you kind of go oh, that. yeah.
by: Sneaker123 (834 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
Yeeks! It does now seem as if their back history is for the most part complete. Sun IMO is somewhat expendable as a character though, except for her role as a translator for Jin.
Good point! I believe the writers cannot eliminate any character without somehow closing their story (Boone's hallucination freed him from his Shannon issues). And while I knew Sun would play a big part in Jin's FB, 2.05 certainly covered BOTH their FB's. So what character development is left? And 2.06 will cover Shannon's FB, so her "selfish to sacrifice" transition could be tied up then.
Nice to hear Miss. A is making some rounds. I trust we will have plenty to decipher over three weeks.
by: xanthacarpa (23 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 29, 2005
Wow another thread and I'm only up to page 18 in the last one. I really miss everyone. I promise I'll try to catch up.
A couple of points from last night's epi:
The Ana Lucia losties seem to be on much higher ground. I was thinking that at one time the tunnels connected, that would mean that they are not all on the same level underground.
The 'others' were filthy. I don't see how Ethan could have been one of them. He was clean and smart.
The last one had a teddy. Were they all children? Or just the last one?
They looked more like prisoners than gun welding boat driving "others"
All of them were dirty and many of them appeared to be bloody.
by: The_Original_G_Man (684 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 01, 2005
They looked more like prisoners than gun welding boat driving "others"
I agree. I don't believe they were the same folks who took Walt. The ones on the boat were all fully clothed, etc., and thus I suspect they had shoes on.
by: xanthacarpa (23 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 29, 2005
Mr. Echo(for lack of any other name to call him at this point) did not seem to acknowledge Jin referring to them as the Others. He seemed confused at first as to what Jin was saying.
Jin sure knew how to understand english when he got questioned by Mr. Echo...
by: LIONARTist (2410 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 09, 2005
Just wanted to say that when Eko said his name, the accent made it sound phonetically like Mees-ti-a-ko. If A said it it was French. The only thing I could come up with was "Mis" in French means "Put". So he could've been saying "Put ________". Or maybe it's another word altogether.
by: Jerseylostfan (1290 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005
That was my thought as well. Either that or ... more than one! src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
My take on Mr. Echo's line was totally different. I thought he was referring to Ana when he said that, lol, as in being around her is worse than being married.
by: Sneaker123 (834 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
A few more notes:
1. The "S" in the SGH hotel logo looks a lot like the Swan Yin/yang in Desmond's Hatch logo.
2. The butoniere Jin wears (and gives to Tai Soo) is an orange rose.
3. Orange juice placed in front of Sun & Tai Soo during their first match-maker meeting.
4. Mideville Russian Lit. & Tai Soo - might need a search here.
5. Not sure Mr. E said "worse" or "was" in reply to Jin's marriage query. Perhaps both are implied.
6. In "next epi" scenes, there appears to be A-L seeing Walt running off to the right in the rain. Could this be the advance meeting between the groups?
by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
did anyone see what it said above the door of the Hotel when Jin opened it for the person before the lil boy came up. Did it say Seoul Gateway? Wondered if anyone caught it. Thanks src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
I think that's exactly what it said. I wonder if the name of the hotel indicates that it's some sort of gateway to the island? Maybe the hotel is one of the ways that Jin and Sun are connected to the island. Or maybe it just means that a special 'gateway' is needed to reach the island? src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Other random thoughts before I go to work:
Were the numbers reset when Kate's shower went cold? If so, this would indicate that the code flushes the hot water.
Thomas Gibson is supposed to be playing Greg DeGroot in Shannon's episode. Son of the DeGroots who was raised by another when Mum and Dad disappeared to the island? Playing another Greg, he was married to Dharma.
by: Sneaker123 (834 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
Anyone get a model year on the Porshe?
I'm a bit concerned about the resume. Does that really translate as Jin born Nov. 27, 1974 AND he's 30? That places it in 2004 (December! he's already had his birthday).
And he has yet to meet Sun, Propose, Marry, etc. That's gotta add another several months, pushing it into 2005 before they take Flight 815?
Please someone tell me the "30" means something other than his age....
by: PrudentPenelope (8 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 12, 2005
True on tailenders seemign to get the short end. Even the hatch/station/whatever they are in seems barren. I also wondered where Echo & A/L got the canteens/water skins. They look really homemade or worn. Couldn't really tell but it stood out to me too.
Another question -- I got distracted for a second when Echo & Jin are trying to get Michael to come back. What did Jin say to Michael? "You _____ Walt"? Did he say "You'll find Walt"?
by: pssrailguy (271 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Some of my thoughts on "...and Found":
1. Regarding the use of the term "the others" by the rafties and how Mr. Ecko knew what he meant. First, "the others" is a very generic term. If I were Mr. Ecko and some foreign guy said that term to me when apparently questioning who killed this person, I would probably agree. The tailenders probably do not know who they are, so "others" fits. Also, who is to say that Danielle has not found this group and used "the others", as well.
2. Did anyone else notice the way the others were walking? Very quickly, very lightfooted, and they left no trace...CREEPY!
3. We now can figure out how to tell if the others are coming. How? Right before Echo and Jin hide from them, we are presented with a sequence showing Echo listen for something and then they hide. It appears that although you cannot hear THEM coming (they can only be found when they want to be found), you can listen for other sounds to stop (e.g.; birds, bugs, etc.). It also seemed like there was something in the air, or like Echo felt something...? Maybe someone who recorded this epi can rewatch and figure it out...
4. I like the idea that Echo could be part of Danielle's original team.
Other thoughts:
I believe that there will be multiple groups of people on this island. I think that one group of others will be the old scientists and/or Dharma employees. IMO, these are the others that captured Walt. Another group will consist of Dharma's test subjects (who escaped and this is possibly the incident). I believe that the others in this epi were those subjects. They appear to have some very strange abilities - they walk quickly and quietly without leaving tracks, they are capable of very bad things, and they can be found only when they want to be found. Could these strange abilities be the result of some experiment conducted on them or are they like this because they have been on the island for so long and have learned these abilities naturally (I am for the former)? Could these people be the source of the whispers? With all of the black v white, good v evil symbology, could one group of others be good and one bad? Could the shoeless ones actually be the good group - killing the tailenders because they think the tailenders are affiliated with Dharma?
ME - I have been thinking about what you said concerning the black and white "masks" on the mural. Going on the assumption that they are masks, we need to figure out what masks are used for and how that plays into our story (duh!). So here goes...
With this being a "deserted" island, the presence of "adam and eve", and the almost tribe-like others, my theory is based on masks and indigenous (or primitive, for lack of a better term) cultures (IC). Many ICs use masks in rituals and ceremonies and the masks themselves often represent some supernatural being or entity (often an animal but can also represent someone). So what could these masks represent? Many ICs use black and white symbology to represent the struggle between good and evil (again, duh!) and many of these struggles revolve around creation/origin myths. Thus, imo, these masks represent the origins of the struggle between good and evil on this island. In fact, they might actually represent two people or groups of people (e.g.; test subjects vs experimenters; academic scientists vs Hanso; etc.). Following this, the mural is then a story of what has happened on the island...the key is that we need to read the story beginning with the masks, as they represent origins.
It points out an alternative age system that allows a person to be born "1", so that could place the interview sometime AFTER Nov. 27, 2003, which fits much better into the SEP 2004 flight.
Regarding the "Jack's Tag" image floating around. That's from the same site (oceanic815.com) with the bogus script pages, so "consider the source".
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Stads: I still have to catch up on the past two pages that you rats posted since I went to bed last night (how dare you! src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> ), but for now...
1. Would a little hint help to tide you over until I can come back?
Sawyer misunderstood something tonight. It's french! heeheehee. It's not what it seems, and that will come up sooner or later!
This may relate to the point of whether Eko said "Mister" or not.
Yes! That HAS to be what she was talking about! I'm rather certain that Eko did not say "Mister"... especially if it was Sawyer who misundertood something.
cac: What about ministre? Could he be another government official? He head butted just like the Honourable Warren Truss.
You could be right, cac... especially if it's supposed to be in French!
by: Jerseylostfan (1290 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005
True on tailenders seemign to get the short end. Even the hatch/station/whatever they are in seems barren. I also wondered where Echo & A/L got the canteens/water skins. They look really homemade or worn. Couldn't really tell but it stood out to me too.
Another question -- I got distracted for a second when Echo & Jin are trying to get Michael to come back. What did Jin say to Michael? "You _____ Walt"? Did he say "You'll find Walt"?
It points out an alternative age system that allows a person to be born "1", so that could place the interview sometime AFTER Nov. 27, 2003, which fits much better into the SEP 2004 flight.
Regarding the "Jack's Tag" image floating around. That's from the same site (oceanic815.com) with the bogus script pages, so "consider the source".
The oceanic site isn't bogus. I think the scripts were just to mess with us. It's like the managuari (sp) stuff.
by: Stads_MD (42 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 29, 2005
ME, just wanted you guys to have something piping hot and fresh baked to wake up to.
could he have said "ministre eco"... "eco" short for "écologie"?
Minister of Ecology?
This seems right given that we've had two other environmental government officials mentioned.
I wonder if he is saying something in French to the effect of "Mysterious Island Man" since that is what IMDB billed him as?
Mysterious is "mystérieux" in French. Pronounce "Miss-tear-e-o" I would think.
Although this is solid too. Though, if I memory serves me correctly, that would be pronounced miss-tair-ee-yoo. But with his accent and his deliberately mumbling his "name", this read could still work.
by: blissfullylost (195 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
What's with the absence of any Cindy interaction? In fact, I don't think that's the same actress (and what a cheesy wig). Is that supposed to be the same person that gave Jack extra vodkas? What ever happened to "obey all instructions from the flight crew"???
I find this strange to? They always pan right by her, never focusing on her at all, she hasn't been part of any conversation, I mean there is only 5 of them, why not introduce her to us?
I always assumed Jack's wife died, he always seems so grief stricken when she is mentioned, but last night when he said his ring was in his drawer, it seemed very nonchalant? Almost like a divorced person would talk about his wedding ring?
Jin did mention the word the Others in front of the tail enders, when he was running from them to Sawyer & Jin when they had just got on the beach, Jin came running, yelling "The Others".
I'm not suggesting the SITE is false, but there have definitely been some mauve fish swimming over there.
Another thread (on another site) suggested you can nail down the date from Boone's Driver's liscence, the known age difference between Boone & Shannon, and the knowledge that Shannon is 20.
by: fannymay0225 (5 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 20, 2005
Am posting this here for you guys to research....have fun...I've got to run....
The teddy bear carried by one of the "others" has a tie wrapped around its leg. It looked familiar to me and if I recall Adawhen had drawn attention to a tie that was tied to the mast of the makeshift boat they sailed off on. I recall that she had provided pics. of a scene in the airport where Sayid buys a new tie - but this never made it to air.
This would also explain Jin's expression when he sees the teddy bear go by.
I can't find the screen caps for the tie on the mast of the boat...can someone take a look?
by: coffeecupkat (36 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 26, 2005
Hey Scooby gang! What's shakin'? A few thoughts on ...and Found.
Lost: ~Sun's ring ~The rafties (in the minds of Sun and Kate) ~Walt ~the "lost boys" Peter Pan imagery with the teddy bear ~Michael ~Sawyer points out that the Tailies "lost" their tracker ~Locke isn't lost anymore, because he stopped looking. Lost his anger management problems.
Found: ~Michael "found" a friend: Jin. ~Jin found Michael ~Sun found her ring ~Kate found her feelings for Sawyer exposed ~The barefoot Others can't be found unless they want to be ~Jin tells Michael he will find Walt
What is the theme of this episode? Trust that things will work out the way they are meant to. Sun and Michael are having the same emotionally-driven reactions to their loss. They are too "in the soup" to think clearly and logically about their situations and what is the best course of action. So both are lost, bolting around without any direction.
Jack's advice speaks from Jack's philosophy: be realistic and pragmatic. The ring is gone, accept the loss and move on. Hurley does what Hurley knows to do: be helpful and companionable. But Sun is too lost in her emotions to hear reason.
When Locke is talking about stopping looking, he's referring to stepping away from a problem and gaining emotional distance and perspective, something neither Sun nor Michael can do at the time.
What is found at the end of the episode? Hope. Sun impossibly finds her ring. Jin assures Mike he will find Walt (and with a new ally as capable as Eko, he just might.) With hope restored, they both regain their balance and perspective. Similar is the Tailies group, who for the first time look a bit more hopeful as they head towards the main section camp, moving literally out of a dark underworld and into the sun and mountains.
Other samples of theme of trusting things to work out right: ~The Tailies have "trust issues" ~Michael is lucky to have passed in front of the barefoot Others. ~Jin's friend insists the Book of Destiny will bring him to his love. ~Jin and Sun keep just missing meeting each other in the FB, but we know eventually they will find each other. By dumb luck, he smacks right into her. ~Sun finds her ring by luck, when she dug up the bottle to show Kate.
Really enjoy reading you hardcore folks stuff! That natural nuclear reaction stuff is wild.
by: bigboi10182000 (64 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 22, 2005
This was from Sneaker on the part 8 thread. I thought it was interesting so I put it here, sorry if it alraedy was.
A couple thoughts on ...and Found:
1. I'll reiterate my concern about Sawyer's recollection of the manifest, especially with an unique a name as "Mr. Echo". And Libby says they've got "Trust issues". Perhaps they've been infiltrated before (like Ethan-- could be a standard procedure).
2. Before Jin says "Others" to Mr. Echo (when they go off alone to follow Michael), do we have any actual scenes showing the Rafties use the term "Others" in the presence of the Talies? Point being, if they already use the Trem "The Others", then where did they get it from? Whispers? Danielle?
3. What does Orange mean in the Color wheel?
4. Ultra build-up for the next episode. Exactly WHEN is it? First Wed. in Nov?
by: beau_duke (17 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 07, 2005
One more thing that was "Found":
Jin respect for his heritage. He has always been embarrased by his fisherman heritage, but this is his greatest skill and asset on the island. It is also a source of pride and envy of the other castaways. A complete 108 (haha) turn from his FB.
by: The_Original_G_Man (684 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 01, 2005
1. I'll reiterate my concern about Sawyer's recollection of the manifest, especially with an unique a name as "Mr. Echo".
Bigboi:
I'm afraid I don't get that reference. Help a poor dope out here and explain what you mean by "Sawyer's recollection of the manifest." I think I remember Hurley having to get the manifest from him, but at some point in season 1 did he indicate familiarity with the names of folks on the plane? Just curious if there's more to it. Thanks.
by: sawyerlost (585 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 22, 2005
Bigboi:
I'm afraid I don't get that reference. Help a poor dope out here and explain what you mean by "Sawyer's recollection of the manifest." I think I remember Hurley having to get the manifest from him, but at some point in season 1 did he indicate familiarity with the names of folks on the plane? Just curious if there's more to it. Thanks.
Gman: sawyer had the manifest with all the passengers that were on the flight. hurley asked him for it and this is how the found out about Ehtan.
I don;t think Sawyer ever said he read it. I think he just had it so if anyone will recognize, it will be Hurley
by: The_Original_G_Man (684 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 01, 2005
Gman: sawyer had the manifest with all the passengers that were on the flight. hurley asked him for it and this is how the found out about Ehtan.
I don;t think Sawyer ever said he read it. I think he just had it so if anyone will recognize, it will be Hurley
Thanks, SL. That's what I kinda thought but wanted to make sure there wasn't some instance where Sawyer demonstrated having some "inside knowlege" due to the manifest.
I think Bigboi's observation is a good one and wouldn't be surprised to see it come to fruition.
by: Sneaker123 (834 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
I believe he examined the manifest (he LOVES to read) and certainly a "Mr. Echo" could have stayed in his mind.
I think the core of his name is the French "Mystery" angle.
Didn't someone suggest there may have been something on the manifest regarding Kate's Status? I might be thinking of the list Sawyer suggested any rescue team would have (the one with the big asterix next to Kate's name).
by: meredg (1979 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 01, 2005
Before Jin says "Others" to Mr. Echo (when they go off alone to follow Michael), do we have any actual scenes showing the Rafties use the term "Others" in the presence of the Tailies? Point being, if they already use the term "The Others", then where did they get it from? Whispers? Danielle?
I've been thinking about this too. Makes me wonder if when Jin said "Others?", the tail-enders assumed he meant the rest of the OTHER tail-enders. Did the OTHER 17 (18-1 for the dead guy in jungle) tailenders get "the sickness", and turn on the rest of their group? Thus the "trust issues"?
Danielles "others" could be whoever was on the island before, or her team that is inflicted with this "sickness". She never said the rest of her team DIED, did she? Just that they got the sickness.
by: lostinspring (2 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 20, 2005
I have read through this thread and I don't see these thoughts, please forgive if they've been mentioned or if they don't merit being mentioned on this board--
Why was Sun hand washing clothes when there is washer and dryer in the hatch?
Why isn't Claire down in the hatch with the baby where there are more comforts of home for the infant? (Bed, etc...)
I read only this board and I find it very thought provoking, I know you get this quite a bit, but this is the best topic thread out there.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
caillte: I noticed that the tail-enders' hatch did have electricity. It must still be connected to a power sorce.
I noticed that too. I'm guessing it's all connected to the same power source... the generator in the Station 3 hatch. Remember when Sayid commented to Danielle how the batteries she had could never provide that much power (referring to her bunker), and she said "They control it now". She's using the power source, but has no control over it.
caillte: Given Mr. Echo's seemingly "native" background, I'd think he was referring to multiple wives when he says "worse", rather then an x-wife. Just MHO.
I guess it would depend on what country and culture he's a native to. Many of us here being native American's... multiple wives aren't a norm, unless you live in Utah! A few here are native Europeans (which I know is quite broad), and I dont think having multiple wives is acceptable there.
Some of us have been speculating that Echo is is from the Nigerian plane, and I'm not sure what the marriage norms or traditions are there... though I think multiple wives is commonly accepted in some African countrys/cultures.
by: caillte (8 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 14, 2005
ME: Some of us have been speculating that Echo is is from the Nigerian plane, and I'm not sure what the marriage norms or traditions are there... though I think multiple wives is commonly accepted in some African countrys/cultures.
My dad was in Africa last year and multiple wives were commonly accepted in many of the regions he visited.
by: coffeecupkat (36 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 26, 2005
FYI:
French is the official language of France and its overseas territories* as well as Bénin; Burkina Faso; Central African Republic; Congo (Democratic Republic of); Congo (Republic of); C?te d'Ivoire; Gabon; Guinea; Luxembourg; Mali; Monaco; Ni ger; Sénégal; Togo; the Canadian province of Québec; and the Swiss districts of Vaud, Neuchatel, Genève, and Jura.
*French territories Départements d'outre-mer (DOM) French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Réunion Territoires d'outre mer (TOM) French Polynesia, New Caledonia, Wallis and Futuna, French southern and Antarctic lands Collectivités territoriales Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Mayotte
French is a co-official language in Belgium, Burundi, Cameroon, Canada, Chad, Comoros Islands, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Haiti (the two official languages are French and French Creole), Madagascar, Rwanda, Seychelles, Switzerland, and Vanuatu.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
coffee: Why would a Nigerian man have a French name?
It might be a title, not a name... but Sawyer took it as a name. I'm also not saying Echo is from Nigeria - but he certainly didn't seem to have a French accent. Besides, you don't have to be from France to have a French name - though I don't think what he said in French was neccessarily his name.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
caillte: My dad was in Africa last year and multiple wives were commonly accepted in many of the regions he visited.
Wow - caillte - your dad travels a lot! Sounds like an interesting guy. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: LostDuckie7 (188 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 17, 2005
coffee: Why would a Nigerian man have a French name?
According to the CIA factbook one of the official languages of Chad which borders Nigeria to the east is French. Also I seem to remember something about the Belgian congo which could be French speaking.
I agree with what Me said, what might be important isn't as much what he said as that he's French and this could tie him to Danielle.
As Meredg pointed out I don't really think these are the others that took Walt. They don't seem like sailors, much more primitive dressed than them. I think they could have also been a part of the original 23 tailenders. It might have the sickness but do we know for sure which group has it? The Ana Lucia group seems pretty afraid of the others but the others seem to be hiding also.
by: The_Original_G_Man (684 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 01, 2005
French is the official language of France and its overseas territories* as well as Bénin; Burkina Faso; Central African Republic; Congo (Democratic Republic of); Congo (Republic of); C?te d'Ivoire; Gabon; Guinea; Luxembourg; Mali; Monaco; Ni ger; Sénégal; Togo; the Canadian province of Québec; and the Swiss districts of Vaud, Neuchatel, Genève, and Jura.
For whatever it's worth, Gabon is where the Okla naturally occurring nuclear reactor is located.
by: coffeecupkat (36 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 26, 2005
A Nigerian man might not have a continental or Quebecoise French accent, but who's to say Nigerian French doesn't have it's own accent?
And have I lost my mind, or was there some sort of ID badge in the Beechcraft that had a picture on it? I couldn't find any screencaps on Lost-media, but I swear I saw it and that's how they knew the plane was from Nigeria.
by: LostDuckie7 (188 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 17, 2005
Didn't Locke recognize the currency?
That's right, I just search the transcript of Deus for Nigeria and that's it. As an aside if anyone wants to look at transcripts www.losthatch.com has them where you filter for different characters or combinations of characters.
by: jmreinwald72 (25 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 10, 2005
A few thoughts--
-I'm not sure it has officially been stated that Eko is Nigerian, but I'd say he's a sure fit to be someone who survived the drug plane crash
-Why is everyone so certain that the people walking in front of Jin/Eko are The Others, and not just some others?
-As far as why they leave no tracks, maybe because they walk more deliberately and step on vegetation or places other than the mud. Not having on heavy boots would also help
-Someone asked why A/L all of the sudden decided to take off and meet up with Jack's group. It was shown that their food supply (at least fruit) was gone, so maybe they also thought that the other group had more available food.
-As for orange--when we were all kids, what color crayon did you use for the sun? Orange. Sun=sun.
by: spygurl1970 (396 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 07, 2004
I have an idea of "Mr. Echo" in French:
mise sur écoute: wiretap (espionnage; interception)
It's been a while since I took French and can't quite remember how "ecoute" is pronounced but as the teacher always said "Ecoutez!"(ekootay) when she wanted us to listen, I'd assume that the "t" is almost silent when spelled "ecoute"(ekoo)
by: lostinspring (2 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 20, 2005
A few thoughts--
-I'm not sure it has officially been stated that Eko is Nigerian, but I'd say he's a sure fit to be someone who survived the drug plane crash
-Why is everyone so certain that the people walking in front of Jin/Eko are The Others, and not just some others?
-As far as why they leave no tracks, maybe because they walk more deliberately and step on vegetation or places other than the mud. Not having on heavy boots would also help
-Someone asked why A/L all of the sudden decided to take off and meet up with Jack's group. It was shown that their food supply (at least fruit) was gone, so maybe they also thought that the other group had more available food.
-As for orange--when we were all kids, what color crayon did you use for the sun? Orange. Sun=sun.
by: pssrailguy (271 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
I noticed that the tail-enders' hatch did have electricity. It must still be connected to a power sorce
I'm not so sure of that. When I noticed the light source, it seemed to be coming from a hole/depression in the floor of the hatch. If so, this could actaully be a fire. Does anyone have a screen cap?
-Someone asked why A/L all of the sudden decided to take off and meet up with Jack's group. It was shown that their food supply (at least fruit) was gone, so maybe they also thought that the other group had more available food.
...or, it could be that they heard about the utopia our losties are enjoying and decided they had enough of getting the crap kicked out of them and living like savages that they decided to go to the other camp.
-Why is everyone so certain that the people walking in front of Jin/Eko are The Others, and not just some others?
I agree...I think that we will find that more than one group of "other" people exist on this island.
by: pssrailguy (271 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
I noticed that the tail-enders' hatch did have electricity. It must still be connected to a power sorce
I'm not so sure of that. When I noticed the light source, it seemed to be coming from a hole/depression in the floor of the hatch. If so, this could actaully be a fire. Does anyone have a screen cap?
by: caillte (8 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 14, 2005
pssrail: I'm not so sure of that. When I noticed the light source, it seemed to be coming from a hole/depression in the floor of the hatch. If so, this could actaully be a fire. Does anyone have a screen cap?
I've never included a screen cap, so I hope this works:
by: Stads_MD (42 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 29, 2005
All, Few things:
My dad was in Africa last year and multiple wives were commonly accepted in many of the regions he visited.
Africa has as many different familial structures as you can think of. There are certain regions where women take multiple husbands. I think it's reasonable to assume that Eko meant either ex-wife or multiple wives.
It's also perfectly reasonable that he spoke (at least some measure of) French. I taught several students from Nigeria (as well as other parts of western and central-western Africa) and they all spoke multiple languages and at least some French. The French owned colonies from Chad all the way west to the Atlantic.
I'd assume that the "t" is almost silent when spelled "ecoute"(ekoo)
SG, it would be pronounced a-coot. But I see you working, and I say we keep it in the mix.
by: 042078 (1110 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
For what it's worth... I thought Mr. Eko meant A/L as well. "Worse" (cause I have this nag on my back all day telling me what to do and when to do it and I don't even get the wifely benefits)
I'm loving Eko, too...hope we get more of his story soon.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
jmreinwald: -Why is everyone so certain that the people walking in front of Jin/Eko are The Others, and not just some others?
From reading THIS thread at least, I don't get the impression that any of us are "so certain" that the people walking in front of Jin/Elo are The Others. Actually, I'd say the discussion in this thread indicates that most of us DON'T think that, or are at least not sure.
I'd say that we're agreeing that the people on the boat, which have been confirmed as being The Others, aren't the same as the folks the Tail-enders are so afraid of. Eko seemed to indicate those with the bare feet were the ones they were so afraid of - regardless of whether Eko and friends refer to them as "them" or not.
So, maybe we have "The Others", and we have "Them".
Oh, by the way, earlier today I was thinking about how Eko spots an aloe plant and gives it to Jin for his cut. And in "House of the Rising Sun", Sun puts aloe on the abrasions on Jin's wrist. Interesting parallel.
Another piece of Sun's story that we haven't been told yet - how does she know so much about herbal medicine and gardening? It might be simply an interest, and something passed down through family - but her family was wealthy - I don't picture her mother OR father gardening, or using ancient remedies.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
I'm rewatching "And Found", and I THINK I counted 14 of "THEM". It was a bit hard to tell because they kept going back and forth with shots from Jin's perspective, and shots looking at Jin... but what I came up with was 14.
Also, the guy Jin finds stabbed in the jungle - I THINK Eko said his name was "Goodway".
by: sawyerlost (585 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 22, 2005
I'm rewatching "And Found", and I THINK I counted 14 of "THEM". It was a bit hard to tell because they kept going back and forth with shots from Jin's perspective, and shots looking at Jin... but what I came up with was 14.
Hey ME: I am glad you posted that because I was looking to see if anyone actually stopped to count and see if they repeated or theya re all different.
Answer me this is you can...did they look like different people, or are they all different. I counted 11 last night, but I had a feeling i would be wrong.
Also, the one with the bear, did her feet or legs look to be the same. I just think that is a child and not an adult. Any input you can give me I appreciate. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: curlymarleydog4 (5 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 19, 2005
Am posting this here for you guys to research....have fun...I've got to run....
The teddy bear carried by one of the "others" has a tie wrapped around its leg. It looked familiar to me and if I recall Adawhen had drawn attention to a tie that was tied to the mast of the makeshift boat they sailed off on. I recall that she had provided pics. of a scene in the airport where Sayid buys a new tie - but this never made it to air.
This would also explain Jin's expression when he sees the teddy bear go by.
I can't find the screen caps for the tie on the mast of the boat...can someone take a look?
Hi all! The teddy bear surely does have a tie on- great observation!! That doesn't look like a rope around him, though; looks like a flexible plastic cable with some kind of black rubber loop- can't make out the logo/words on it...I'm sure someone has sharper eyes than me! Thanks for all the brain exercise I get on this thread!!
by: EvaNica (131 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 05, 2005
Before Jin says "Others" to Mr. Echo (when they go off alone to follow Michael), do we have any actual scenes showing the Rafties use the term "Others" in the presence of the Tailies? Point being, if they already use the term "The Others", then where did they get it from? Whispers? Danielle?
What does Orange mean in the Color wheel?
And Lostinblue!! How about ME mentioning "Shannon wouldn't be caught dead in A-L's clothes"? You gonna let that spoiler slip in without punishment? src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Delurking in 3....2....1....
Hi everyone! :P I just watched the epi. I haven't finished catching up on the new thread, but wanted to comment on Sneaker's post. Sorry if I'm being repetitive.
I thought the exact same thing about Jin saying "others" to Echo. How is it that the two groups of castaways all call the "bad guys" the "others"?? Someone has definitely told both groups how to refer to these people.
As to the color wheel question, here's what I've found about colors and their I ching correspondences.
There are a few elements that are related in the I ching. The first one is the I ching symbol (the "triagram," the lines around the Dharma logo). The rest are body parts, family members, colors and natural elements.
Orange means heaven. It also means "father." I'll get back to you on the body part. Red means lake and youngest daughter. Green means water and moon, and it also means middle son. Blue means mountain and youngest son. Yellow, wind/wood, eldest daughter. Magenta, Sun, middle daughter.
I've had a hard time finding info on these, and some information also seems to be contradictory. Some sites list brown as one of the colors but not orange, others orange but not brown.... I need to perfect my theory a little bit I think, so I will keep you all posted on my findings, if you don't find my colors thing too whacky!!
by: shakespearehead (192 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 10, 2005
I noticed that marriage has been brought up many times in season two:
-Desmond points out that Jack married the paralyzed girl (Jack gets all emotional). -Hurley's mother says he's never going to find a girl to marry him. -Sawyer asks AnaLucia if she's married (remember: she asked Jack the same question in the airport). -Mr. Echoo (?) asks Jin if he is married. -Jin asks Mr. Echo the same. -Sun loses and finds her wedding ring -Jack lost wedding ring; bought a new one -We "found" Bernard, Rose's husband (She keeps his ring when they fly.)
Why all the marriage references? Two become one? Pairs? Fusion?
by: meredg (1979 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 01, 2005
Pairs? Twins? Okay, probably not, but just following a line of thought. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Shakes- I've been wondering about that too. "All the Best Castaways have Spousal issues...." ? Only half joking....
I was wondering if you could talk to some people and try to figure this out for some concerned hardcore fans:
One of the great things about LOST is all the detail work that goes into it. The fans really want to believe the people behind LOST are super-geniuses, and that every prop and every detail is significant and purposeful.
I know you'll don't like to discuss the potential timeline to LOST as it relates to the real world, but it is something fans try to figure out - and you do supply them with small clues along the way.
Apparently, someone on the production staff goofed, and created a major time contradiction within the show.
Jin's resume (http://lost.cubit.net/pics/jin_resume.jpg) indicates he is 30 years old, and born in 1974 (and also list his family name as KWAN and not KWON). This means the events in his flashback take place after Nov. 27 2004. Which means, after he loses his job at the hotel, meets Sun, courts her, marries her, goes to work for her father, gives her a puppy that grows into a dog, and boards flight 815 - it is, at the earliest, sometime in 2005.
However, we also have this information: http://lost.cubit.net/pics/booneLicense.jpg which is a screen capture of Boone's license (which Shannon looks at after he dies). This indicates Boone is born in 1981. We know Boone's mother married Shannon's father when Boone was 10 and Shannon 8. We also know, from the census, that Shannon is 20 on the island, which makes Boone 21-23 years old. 1981+(21-23) = 2002-2004.
So, at the latest, Boone was on the island sometime in 2004, yet Jin didn't board the same plane that Boone took, until sometime in 2005.
Is this really an error on the production team's part? Or is there an explanation for this? I know a lot of fans would be upset if they began to feel the show was starting to get sloppy in some of the details... so, I'm hoping there is an explanation.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Sawyerlost: Answer me this is you can...did they look like different people, or are they all different. I counted 11 last night, but I had a feeling i would be wrong.
Also, the one with the bear, did her feet or legs look to be the same. I just think that is a child and not an adult. Any input you can give me I appreciate.
Sawyerlost... I'm not sure about your question in regarding if they look like they're different people. I think each time we see a set of legs passing by, we're to consider to count that person is one of THEM.
You have to look very carefully and closely as you count - because one of the first few goes by fast (it's a shot looking at Jin), but I counted again, and still get 14.
I agree that the one with the teddy bear is a child - but I was thinking most of us thought that, no? And frankly, after looking at that scene a few times, based on their legs, and movements, I feel like ALL of "THEM" are rather young... kids or teens, or very young adults at oldest.
From what we could see of their skin (that which wasn't covered by dirt or clothing), they all appear to be caucasion. The clothing looks to be Western (as opposed to Eastern, I mean).
Eva: I thought the exact same thing about Jin saying "others" to Echo. How is it that the two groups of castaways all call the "bad guys" the "others"?? Someone has definitely told both groups how to refer to these people.
We never heard the Teal-enders or Echo call the group they're afraid of as "Others" - we've only heard them referred to as "them" and "they".
by: EvaNica (131 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 05, 2005
Hi, ME!
When Jin and Echo are in the jungle, Jin says "others?" to Echo, and Echo nods. Just that one word - "others" - and Echo knew what he was talking about. How did he know?
by: meredg (1979 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 01, 2005
When Jin and Echo are in the jungle, Jin says "others?" to Echo, and Echo nods. Just that one word - "others" - and Echo knew what he was talking about. How did he know?
Again, just my take. But I think Jin meant the "others" who took Walt, and Mr. Echo ( src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> ) meant the "other" tailenders or some "other" mysterious group of baddies out there.
My, this island is crowded! src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/grin.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: Sneaker123 (834 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
Hey ME: I am glad you posted that because I was looking to see if anyone actually stopped to count and see if they repeated or theya re all different.
Answer me this is you can...did they look like different people, or are they all different. I counted 11 last night, but I had a feeling i would be wrong.
Also, the one with the bear, did her feet or legs look to be the same. I just think that is a child and not an adult. Any input you can give me I appreciate. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
I only had 11, maybe 12, but when the camera angle cuts from one side to the other, I think the legs are the same set a couple times.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Eva:Hi, ME!
When Jin and Echo are in the jungle, Jin says "others?" to Echo, and Echo nods. Just that one word - "others" - and Echo knew what he was talking about. How did he know?
Well, Echo doesn't not right way - there was a lonnnng pause, and then he nodded.
Sneaker:I only had 11, maybe 12, but when the camera angle cuts from one side to the other, I think the legs are the same set a couple times.
It might be the same set a couple of times, but I think we're to perceive them as indiviuals... each one in the count. Like a said, a few go by fast and you only see a blurr of motion.
by: Sneaker123 (834 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
I only had 11, maybe 12, but when the camera angle cuts from one side to the other, I think the legs are the same set a couple times.
About the mirror in Jin's appt. I've seen some suggestions that this is an I-Ching mirror. It does not appear to me to have the "binary 8" pattern surrounding it and the 8 sides are not equal (alternating short/long sides).
Does that mirror fit the definition of an I-Ching mirror?
And I have to disagree about the leg counting. Given the timing of the edits, some of the same pairs of legs are cought from differernt angles. Don't just watch it in Slow-mo, watching it real time makes me fell they jump fast enough between angles so the same set of legs are visible.
I think they are deliberately messing with us on this count ( src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>)!!!!
by: EvaNica (131 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 05, 2005
Speaking of the legs... did you guys get the impression that the teddy legs belong to a female? There's something about how quickly the leg gets wider more rapidly above the knee... kind of like this person has hips?
by: lucky4me8 (276 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Never mind about that screen cap Sneaker, I see it. Is it that big mirror behind Jin's friend just after he's talking about the price tag on his tie?
To me it looked like a feng sui mirror. I was looking at them last week and posted a link on the last thread, but I'm not sure what page it was on. If you Google the terms you'll easily find some.
by: EvaNica (131 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 05, 2005
It does look somewhat like the bagua/feng shui/i ching mirror, except it's more rectangular. I don't know if I'm starting to see the I ching everywhere or if the powers that be wanted to put something in there that was reminiscent of a bagua without being too obvious.
by: Atl_Jen (266 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 20, 2005
I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere else--
Last night when Jack told Sun he lost his wedding ring and what he did as a consequence, he could have said 'I replaced it' or 'I had a copy made'.
Instead, he said 'I had a replicant made'.
When a dedicated sci fi fan hears the word 'replicant', what is the first thing that comes to mind?
Do Others dream of electric sheep?
I thought it was "replica"
I think your sci fan fan ears heard replicant but I am pretty sure it was just replica src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: Sneaker123 (834 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
Never mind about that screen cap Sneaker, I see it. Is it that big mirror behind Jin's friend just after he's talking about the price tag on his tie?
Yes, that's the one. Unless folks are referring to someother mirror in the room. I heard about the mirror before my rewatch, so i was waiting for it, and I saw only the big mirror.
by: captainaeon (1295 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
I thought it was "replica"
I think your sci fan fan ears heard replicant but I am pretty sure it was just replica src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
you are probably right or someone else would have mentioned it src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Sneaker: And I have to disagree about the leg counting. Given the timing of the edits, some of the same pairs of legs are cought from differernt angles. Don't just watch it in Slow-mo, watching it real time makes me fell they jump fast enough between angles so the same set of legs are visible.
Disagreeing is fine. It's official then - we disagree about this. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Oh, and by the way, I didn't watch in slow-mo.
cap:When a dedicated sci fi fan hears the word 'replicant', what is the first thing that comes to mind?
by: Atl_Jen (266 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 20, 2005
Mars, if you are still there--does the swan have anything to do with Aldous Huxley?
From Amazon.com:
After Many a Summer Dies the Swan by Aldous Huxley: A comedic novel written by Aldous Huxley. Published in 1939 under the title After Many a Summer, the novel was republished under its current title later in the same year. Written soon after Huxley left England and settled in California, the novel is Huxley's examination of American culture, particularly what he saw as its narcissism, superficiality, and obsession with youth. The title is a line from Alfred, Lord Tennyson's poem "Tithonus," about a figure from Greek mythology to whom Zeus gave eternal life but not eternal youth. In Huxley's novel, California millionaire Jo Stoyte learns of an English nobleman who discovered a way to vastly extend the human life span. Stoyte travels to England and finds the nobleman still alive, but he has devolved into an apelike creature. Stoyte decides to extend his life regardless of the consequences.
Publisher Comments: A Hollywood millionaire with a terror of death, whose personal physician happens to be working on a theory of longevity ? these are the elements of Aldous Huxley's caustic and entertaining satire on man's desire to live indefinitely. With his customary wit and intellectual sophistication, Huxley pursues his characters in their quest for the eternal, finishing on a note of horror.
by: Sneaker123 (834 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
Sneaker: And I have to disagree about the leg counting. Given the timing of the edits, some of the same pairs of legs are cought from differernt angles. Don't just watch it in Slow-mo, watching it real time makes me fell they jump fast enough between angles so the same set of legs are visible.
Disagreeing is fine. It's official then - we disagree about this. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Oh, and by the way, I didn't watch in slow-mo.
cap:When a dedicated sci fi fan hears the word 'replicant', what is the first thing that comes to mind?
Do Others dream of electric sheep?
cap, i have no idea what you're talking about!
I'm cool with that dude....
No word from Miss A? Sure would love to hear her spin on the "09SEP" luggage tag....
by: lucky4me8 (276 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
I'm losing my mind trying to figure out the "Mistereko" meaning in French. It does make sense that the first part is "mystere" (mystery), but to me that implies that the second (echo) part is an adjective. I've been combing my French-English dictionary...
I apologize, in advance, but I don't know how to make accent marks!
Mostly I'm finding nouns:
ecu: shield; crown ecuelle: bowl; (basin?) ecueil: reef; sandbank ecot: tree stump; share (like a portion) echo: echo ecole: school (Too bad it sounds nothing like "ecoutille," which means hatch!)
But if the 2nd part is a noun, the mystere (or more likely mysterieux) would come after it.
as a possible verb following mystere: ecoule: to drain, to leak; to elapse, to go by ("the mystery is leaking out"?) ecoute: to listen to
Alternatively, it could be: mystere a _______(at _________) or mystere y ________("that was there," roughly)
for example, "mystere a Cote"--mystery at the coast (cote can also mean identification mark) "mystere a col"--mystery at the mountain pass (okay, you can make fun of me now )
or an adjective "mystere est _______" (but I don't know what!)
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
lucky: It does make sense that the first part is "mystere" (mystery), but to me that implies that the second (echo) part is an adjective. I've been combing my French-English dictionary...
I don't know - mystery doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But maybe that's just me.
I don't know enough about I Ching hexagrams to know for sure, and I wondered what those of you who have already put a lot of time into I Ching hexagrams think. And if there is one, do you know what it means, or symbolizes?
by: gingerpeachypie (49 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 12, 2005
Could Mr. Echo be "mystico"? I Googled this earlier today and came up with some interesting things. One is a sight for "cuzco mystico", an ancient mayan site. Another dealt with astrological signs, sun cycles and "the great year". I didn't look too deeply, but may be a start.
Oh, I was in Kansas City this past weekend at a friend's house. They're all Lost fans (although mostly surface stuff). I was looking through her decorating books when I found a photo of a kitchen hot plate set into a countertop in the shape of a hexagram of Chinese geomancy. I nearly flipped out as I recognized what it was and then had to stop myself as I realized I was the biggest nerd in the room.
by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
I've read only the first three pages, so I'm sorry if some of this is repetative.
Richard: That made me think of the book that A pointed out. ECG Workout.
Richard, she said to look at the history of the ECG, which I don't think we've done yet.
A: Sawyer misunderstood something tonight. It's french! heeheehee. It's not what it seems, and that will come up sooner or later!
G Man: He said "worse" in regard to the question of whether he was married. The only thing I can think of is he had more than 1 wife? LOL!
Polygamy in Nigeria:
. Polygamy is legal for the male in Nigeria . ...but not in the Christian religion. . In traditional beliefs, a man is allowed to have unlimited number of wives. . In the Muslim religion, it is legal for a man to have up to 4 wives at any one time. . The first wife is supposed to have the greatest status, but the most recent wife is usually considered the 'favorite'. . Though it is legal, polygamy is becoming less common because of the economics of the country. . In polygamous households, the man is supposed to be financially responsible for the family.
Stads, do you have the names of the places in South Korea that are on Jin's resume? They could be important.
Sneaker: I'm a bit concerned about the resume. Does that really translate as Jin born Nov. 27, 1974 AND he's 30? That places it in 2004 (December! he's already had his birthday). And he has yet to meet Sun, Propose, Marry, etc. That's gotta add another several months, pushing it into 2005 before they take Flight 815?
Do they count age the same way in Korea? Could it mean that he's in his 30th year (29)?
by: The_Original_G_Man (684 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 01, 2005
Thanks, cac. Good stuff.
Getting back to Mars' hints about a naturally occurring nuclear reaction, I've read other posts where folks have deduced that the various hallucinations could be induced from radiation sickness. Any thoughts on this?
Could folks really be exposed to radiation such that it causes hallucinations, but show no other obvious stereotypical symptoms? Shouldn't they all be sick as all get out by now?
Also, is it possible that Desmond's medication was for the purpose of warding off the effects of the radiation?
by: EvaNica (131 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 05, 2005
Me - from my limited knowledge of the I Ching, I'm going to venture out and say they could be, but we'd be missing 1 line.
The hexagrams are symbols composed of two "triagrams," or those "liney" things around the Dharma logo. Each triagram has 3 lines and each hexagram has 6. Putting two triagrams together to form hexagrams gives you a kind of message for the future. The lines we're seeing in the middle could be the combination of the triagram Chi'en and possibly the triagrams Chen or K'un, which both start with two sets of broken lines.
If the last line that we are theoretically not seeing is a solid line, then we are dealing with Chen, and the meaning of the hexagram means: "Be ready for unexpected events, and be flexible in how you handle them. Rigid, inflexible plans should be avoided. Act naturally, honourably and truthfully, without greed, ambition or desire, as would the 'Innocent'."
If the line we don't see is broken, then we're dealing with K'un, and the hexagram means: " Beware of pride without substance. Be careful of a lack of harmony. There will be a delay before you are successful."
I'm going to rewatch the episode to see if I can get a glimpse of a sixth line.
I've also been finding interesting things about the correspondence of hexagrams with numbers and messages.
I found this cool site titled "hexagram key." That's where I'm getting my hexagram interpretations from.
by: vimesfan (4 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 02, 2005
I don't know of any medication that wards off the effects of radiation. Think about it in terms of light or heat. The only protection against any of those is a barrier. Sunblock is a barrier. There is no medication to undo the effects of exposure to UV light.
As to Jin's age, I saw a post elsewhere (and am regretfully unable to give full credit where it goes, as I can't remember where) that described the Korean reconning of age. In very simple terms, your "age" is the number of New Years Days you have lived through. So Jin, born in November, would turn 1 in their reconning when he was less than 2 months old. The post I saw included a link to an article in wikipedia that discussed Korean culture.
It still doesn't totally pin down a timeframe for the crash. I don't think we know how long it was from the time Jin and Sun met until they married. Do we have any clues how long they were married before the flight?
by: The_Original_G_Man (684 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 01, 2005
I don't know of any medication that wards off the effects of radiation.
Hey, they have it on Battlestar Gallactica! src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: EvaNica (131 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 05, 2005
Just for fun, I looked up I ching divination messages for the numbers:
4 - Meng (Immaturity, Youthful Folly) - Be cautious with everything, but particularly ensure others are being honest with you. Check your facts carefully, nurture honesty, and only give advice when you are really sure!
8 - Pi (Union) - Honesty and sincerity will lead to success, if you are able to cooperate. Any hesitation in your honesty will lead to misfortune. Good Fortune is indicated if you do!
15 - Ch'ien (Modesty) - Equal partnerships benefit. Act with humility to all people; restore balance between excess and dearth in order to be successful.
16 - Yu (Enthusiasm) - Everything is as it should be! Take opportunities as they arise, and act with conviction, but make sure you do not appear over-confident or 'immodest'.
23 - Po (Disintegration) - The current difficulties will end in the natural cycle of regeneration. Be patient, and continue to work hard in preparation for the good times to follow.
42 - I (Increase) This is a good time for increased activity and prosperity, and maybe travel over water. Make the most of this time because it will pass. Be generous and do not seek unfair advantage over others.
What do you guys think?? I added the bold for dramatic effect... hee hee. Pretty cool, huh?
by: EvaNica (131 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 05, 2005
ME - Great catch!!! I just saw the episode again. When Jin's friend takes the ruler away, you can clearly see the sixth line. It's a broken line, so we are dealing with a combination of the triagram Ch'ien and K'un. This hexagram is called Pi and is represented by the number 12. I posted the "divination" for this hexagram in my previous post. Fantastic job!
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by: lost_in_NYC (81 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 14, 2004
kind of random...Has anyone mentioned that fact that Mr. Echo commented on the "others" as being "difficult to track" (or soemthing to that effect)...AND how Locke mentioned that Desmond "didn't leave much of a track/trail?
I just immediately thought of Locke's comment about Desmond when Echo said this...
ALso the fact that the others weren't wearing any footwear reminded me of when Locke took his shoes off when first entering the hatch.
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by: Sneaker123 (834 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
kind of random...Has anyone mentioned that fact that Mr. Echo commented on the "others" as being "difficult to track" (or soemthing to that effect)...AND how Locke mentioned that Desmond "didn't leave much of a track/trail?
I just immediately thought of Locke's comment about Desmond when Echo said this...
ALso the fact that the others weren't wearing any footwear reminded me of when Locke took his shoes off when first entering the hatch.
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When Locke said that my thoughts were: "C'mon Locke!! He fell down and dropped half his stuff!!! You can't find that?" I had an immediate feeling of distrust when Locke suggested that to Sun. I think he just didn't try hard enough. Or maybe he just stopped tracking so he could stay close to the hatch....
by: lost_in_NYC (81 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 14, 2004
When Locke said that my thoughts were: "C'mon Locke!! He fell down and dropped half his stuff!!! You can't find that?" I had an immediate feeling of distrust when Locke suggested that to Sun. I think he just didn't try hard enough. Or maybe he just stopped tracking so he could stay close to the hatch....
Yeah, it struck me as an odd comment too. Though I didn't think he was fibbing (he could have been).
But, LOCKE stopping the tracking prematurely, Mr. Destiny...I don't know. He seems pretty into knowing exactly what's going on on the island. I would be surprised if he just "gave up".
So, I find it "peculiar" that Desmond was "hard to track".
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Eva:The lines we're seeing in the middle could be the combination of the triagram Chi'en and possibly the triagrams Chen or K'un, which both start with two sets of broken lines.
If the line we don't see is broken, then we're dealing with K'un, and the hexagram means: " Beware of pride without substance. Be careful of a lack of harmony. There will be a delay before you are successful."
ME - Great catch!!! I just saw the episode again. When Jin's friend takes the ruler away, you can clearly see the sixth line. It's a broken line, so we are dealing with a combination of the triagram Ch'ien and K'un. This hexagram is called Pi and is represented by the number 12. I posted the "divination" for this hexagram in my previous post. Fantastic job!
Eva, fantastic job to YOU!!!! Thanks so much for figuring this out! I knew someone here would - I just couldn't figure out who had been doing all the I Ching research. FABULOUS JOB figuring it out, Eva!!
That horoscope fits PERFECT for Jin's interview day too!
by: EvaNica (131 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 05, 2005
Eva:The lines we're seeing in the middle could be the combination of the triagram Chi'en and possibly the triagrams Chen or K'un, which both start with two sets of broken lines.
If the line we don't see is broken, then we're dealing with K'un, and the hexagram means: " Beware of pride without substance. Be careful of a lack of harmony. There will be a delay before you are successful."
ME - Great catch!!! I just saw the episode again. When Jin's friend takes the ruler away, you can clearly see the sixth line. It's a broken line, so we are dealing with a combination of the triagram Ch'ien and Chen. This hexagram is called Pi and is represented by the number 12. I posted the "divination" for this hexagram in my previous post. Fantastic job!
Eva, fantastic job to YOU!!!! Thanks so much for figuring this out! I knew someone here would - I just couldn't figure out who had been doing all the I Ching research. FABULOUS JOB figuring it out, Eva!!
That horoscope fits PERFECT for Jin's interview day too!
ME: I never would have seen that if you hadn't pointed it out.
BTW, I edited my post up there. I realized I made a mistake in the name of one of the triagrams, but the name and meaning of the Hexagram is correct.
Did you check out my I Ching interpretation of the numbers?
by: EvaNica (131 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 05, 2005
Hey! I just had a thought - you know how the numbers were once upon a time transmitted over the radio - before Danielle erased them, supposedly? What if the numbers were some kind of a hidden message that could only be decoded through the I Ching? Each number from 1 to 64 represents a hexagram, and a divination.... Kind of like a 1 if by land 2 if by sea sort of thing...
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Eva, I did read your post above about the I Ching meanings of the numbers. I'll have to re-read it though.
What I was just thinking, is that when I looked at I Ching on Wikipedia, they talked about I Ching connecting to binary numbers or codes or something? And I was thinking about that lighted keypad that Ada mentioned in clues from Orientation... and how someone figured out that it was a binary code.
Well, I don't know how I Ching and that might connect, but wondered if whatever the code someone figured out could connect to I Ching?
by: Stads_MD (42 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 29, 2005
Stads, do you have the names of the places in South Korea that are on Jin's resume? They could be important.
C.,
I'll see if I can track them down. I do remember that the person who was translating said that the towns seemed to have been picked as a reasonable backstory for the son of a fisherman.
Message was edited by: Stads_MD
Here's some initial info:
he lived in seoul( the capital of korea) but his hometwon is namhey(sorth coast).
by: EvaNica (131 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 05, 2005
Eva, I did read your post above about the I Ching meanings of the numbers. I'll have to re-read it though.
What I was just thinking, is that when I looked at I Ching on Wikipedia, they talked about I Ching connecting to binary numbers or codes or something? And I was thinking about that lighted keypad that Ada mentioned in clues from Orientation... and how someone figured out that it was a binary code.
Well, I don't know how I Ching and that might connect, but wondered if whatever the code someone figured out could connect to I Ching?
I might be way off base though.
Do you have a link to the post where you guys talked about the keypad? I think it may have been before my time. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> If you do, I could look into it to see if I can "interpret" the message.
by: EvaNica (131 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 05, 2005
Ok, I'm seriously overposting today, but here's how the binary system relates to the I Ching.
Each triagram consists of two lines: solid or broken. The two lines can be represented by 1 or 0, respectively. Therefore, you can also represent triagrams and hexagrams through binary code. For example, the hexagram we were talking about earlier for Jin (Pi) would be: 111000.
I'm going to go get some coffee. Does anybody want anything? :P
Sorry, I only read hangul and not hanmun (chinese characters). I'll have to show this to my husband. I'll try to write back tomorrow. We have plenty of time during these 3 weeks....
DM, Just wanted to check in to see if your husband had gotten a chance to look at the fortune book yet. No hurry, though. You're right that we have a lot of time to kill.
1982/3/3 .. entered ** elementary school 1988/2/15 .. graduated ** elementary school (w/o missing any class) 1988/3/4 .. entered** middle school 1991/2/10 .. graduated **middle school(w/o missing any class) 1991/3/9 .. entered ** high school 1994/2/10 .. graduated ** high school / 5/1 .. start working for **fish market / 5/1 .. quit working for **fish market
** means just name of places in South Korea
CK, Thanks for this translation. If you get a moment, could you provide the names of the places in South Korea listed? Thanks.
Out. z.
It shows the extent to which I've been able to get a translation of the resume, the info we're still after, and two people who are on-going resources. Keep it bumped, gang.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Eva: I'm going to go get some coffee. Does anybody want anything? :P
I just poured a cup myself - but thanks! src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Eva, I don't have the link, but will try to find it. It was in another thread. You lost me with the binary stuff - but I'm glad YOU understand it!
by: The_Original_G_Man (684 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 01, 2005
I've been an Administrator at a hockey message board with over 10,000 member for the last few years. As you can imagine, there are quite a few French Canadians who post there. I asked them if "Mister Echo" sounded phoentically like anything in French. All any of them could suggest was "Mystere Eco" with "eco" implying some connection to ecology (as we came up with a few pages back), but that it wasn't truly French.
Kind of interesting, I thought. Though the coincidence may be the sensational part; the more relevant issues are that Locke had a geiger counter at all and how Desmond's fits into our larger theory of a natural, subterranean energy source.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Eva, I found it!
It was gingerpeachpie who figured it out - here was her post:
Posted: Sep 30 @ 10:31 AM by: gingerpeachypie (33 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 12, 2005
Thanks! I thought binary, but I'm not code literate. I've added the numbers and they equal...108. When I go down the rows (I've ended up with 16 lines), the numbers for each line = 10, 3, 12, 1, 10, 2, 12, 3, 11, 2, 12, 1, 10, 2, 12, and 5
added together = 108 Now...what the heck does it mean!?!
A - please help!!!
Looking back at previous post - I may have misunderstood how to add this up. How wierd that my observations would end up with 108. Now I really feel like an idiot!
Here was Ada's following post:
Posted: Sep 30 @ 10:46 AM by: Adawhen (1262 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 17, 2004
Hey Ginger! A++. Yes it does!
This coming week, things begin to add up, but add up to what?
Has it happened? Will it happen? Was it all a trick? And how are the survivors tied up in it? Five more days, we talk.
Hi Lostville! Welcome. The show can be watched on two levels, as a simple adventure story, or.........
Neither way is wrong, and both have their benefits!
Great job, Ging! You and Gray, i2, and Sneaker are amazing! Take another look at the mural beside Locke as he enters the main hatch dome. It is NOT the same one that Jack studied last week, and there are different clues there.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Stads: Kind of interesting, I thought. Though the coincidence may be the sensational part; the more relevant issues are that Locke had a geiger counter at all and how Desmond's fits into our larger theory of a natural, subterranean energy source.
Interesting, Stads! When someone mentioned recently that you'd think Des would have a geiger counter down there if there was some sort of radiation, I immediately thought of Locke's geiger counter in his apartment - though I didn't post that recolletion. I remember someone else spotting that geiger counter of Locke's, and us having discussion about why he'd need it.
However, I never noticed that Des had one too! And it looks like the exact same type/brand.
by: jbbrennan (86 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005
There are a few references to Neils Bohr relating the I-ching to quantum mechanics/physics! I don't have time to research further today, I have to go to work.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Eva, I forgot mention, if you DO have a screen cap that you'd like posted and shared, then Blue might be able to help you out if you send it to Blue's go.com mail.
by: The_Original_G_Man (684 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 01, 2005
G.,
How about (ME's suggestion) Ministre Eco (or Ministr'eco) for minister of ecology?
BTW, who's your hockey team?
Oh, certainly a possibility. I was just hoping that it might "sound" like something to my French friends. Alas, twas to no avail. Ah, what can ya expect from Montreal fans though. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
As for me, I'm an Islanders fan. Although, technically I'm still boycotting the NHL because of the lockout. Grrrrr ....
by: chenmeina (30 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 08, 2005
Hi all!
This is a tangent from the current discussion on I-ching, but I wanted to share a little research on geothermal energy for your input. Maybe you've already looked into this and decided "probably not", if so, just say so... Also, I know that folks here have been looking into natural nuclear reactors --- this heads in a different direction, I think, but I'm not saying I think the Oklo stuff is the wrong direction, just putting something else to consider out there...
The earth is a hotbed of geothermal energy. The most active geothermal resources are usually found along major plate boundaries where earthquakes and volcanoes are concentrated. Most of the geothermal activity in the world occurs in an area known as the "Ring of Fire." This is where we think the island is located, right? The website also explains that this type of geothermal resource could be used to generate electricity... This is what Sayid thinks is behind the cement (he could be wrong, though, I realize)
Geothermal steam and hot water do contain naturally occurring traces of hydrogen sulfide (a gas that smells like rotten eggs) and other gases and chemicals that can be harmful in high concentrations. Is this what Kate smelled in the shower?
This website is about hydrogen sulfide, which can kills you if you inhale too much of it and can negatively affect your health with continued expose at lower levels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_sulfide Treatment involves immediate inhalation of amyl nitrite, injections of sodium nitrite, inhalation of pure oxygen, administration of bronchodilators to overcome eventual bronchospasm, and in some cases hyperbaric oxygen therapy. Maybe this could explain Desmond's injections?
by: EvaNica (131 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 05, 2005
There are a few references to Neils Bohr relating the I-ching to quantum mechanics/physics! I don't have time to research further today, I have to go to work.
--jasmine
I'm back, fully recaffeinated.
Jasmine - I will definitely have to look into that! So far we've figured out the I Ching is everywhere in Lost, but we haven't tied it in to anything yet. I don't know if it's subliminal clues the writers are sending us, or if it fits into the plot scheme in some other way.
ME - I think I may have found the post you were referring to. That pannel is definitely a reference to the I Ching, specifically to hexagrams. Each row on the pannel is a hexagram, I just don't know which ones. I'll look into it and get back to you with some more whackiness!
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
chen:The earth is a hotbed of geothermal energy. The most active geothermal resources are usually found along major plate boundaries where earthquakes and volcanoes are concentrated. Most of the geothermal activity in the world occurs in an area known as the "Ring of Fire." This is where we think the island is located, right? The website also explains that this type of geothermal resource could be used to generate electricity... This is what Sayid thinks is behind the cement (he could be wrong, though, I realize)
Geothermal steam and hot water do contain naturally occurring traces of hydrogen sulfide (a gas that smells like rotten eggs) and other gases and chemicals that can be harmful in high concentrations. Is this what Kate smelled in the shower?
Chen, great find! And yes, the island is in the Pacific Ring of Fire.
It sure would explain a lot if it WASN'T nuclear. I say this because of the effects of nuclear radiation. On the other hand, I'm getting the impression that nuclear reactor is what A. was trying to say we found in March.
The other theory I came up with in March though was a natural EMF surrounding the island, which, if the natural geothermal generator can produce electricity, then it could probably produce an EMF...
by: jbbrennan (86 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005
Here is a quote from a page referencing the connection, but yet, still no actual reference to when bohr MADE the connection:
More than anything else, Feng Shui was based on the philosophy of the text of the I Ching. This ancient Chinese memorial originated some 4,500 years ago. Scholars say it contains the metaphysical knowledge that human beings need to gain mastery of life. However, important deeper parts are indecipherable and lost to our present knowledge. One aspect of the I Ching that appeals to modern physicists is the relation between spirit and matter. The Chinese believe spirit and matter are two aspects of the same thing. To them spirit is inherent in matter. Albert Einstein's field theory agrees with this. Psychologist Carl Jung studied the text for years and discovered it contained profound truths. Nobel physicist Niels Bohr recognised parallels with modern atomic science. Other top scientists found that the 64 hexagrams in the I Ching correspond exactly to the 64 DNA condons of the genetic code of all life on earth.
Here's the link to the page, most of the stuff I've found has been on rather odd little pages like this:
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Eva: ME - I think I may have found the post you were referring to. That pannel is definitely a reference to the I Ching, specifically to hexagrams. Each row on the pannel is a hexagram, I just don't know which ones. I'll look into it and get back to you with some more whackiness!
Eva, I posted the post and link on the previous page of this thread as well.
As far as what Echo said... maybe he didn't even say a NAME. Maybe he did say something to the affect of "mysterious".... or "mystery"... as in, his name is a mystery.
Just a thought.
In terms of me thinking maybe it was Minister of Ecology... it's my understanding that ecologie is ecology in French, so my thought is he could have said eco for short. Just a thought though.
by: jbbrennan (86 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005
As far as what Echo said... maybe he didn't even say a NAME. Maybe he did say something to the affect of "mysterious".... or "mystery"... as in, his name is a mystery.
I wonder if this isn't just the power of suggestion since all the trailers/spoilers previews mentioned this actor portraying "a mystery man" --paving the way for people to misinterpret the name? Also, what kind of man, when asked for his name, gives his job description? Crazy, I tell you! This island has made everyone crazy. Who am I to talk, I'm the one who sees masks in boar hides! Speaking of animals, didn't it look like "Mr. Eko"'s canteen was made of polar bear hide? I still think the tailenders "station" looked like it had housed animals, previously, I DON'T think Mr. Eko would be strong enough to bring down a polar bear with that hockey stick thing. --jasmine
by: chenmeina (30 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 08, 2005
ME: It sure would explain a lot if it WASN'T nuclear. I say this because of the effects of nuclear radiation. On the other hand, I'm getting the impression that nuclear reactor is what A. was trying to say we found in March.
I feel the exact same way, plus everything I've read says that a natural nuclear reactor is no longer possible because of the rate of decay of uranium (or something like that) (although, of course, LOST is a fictional show, so the writers could have a "uranium anomaly" on the island if they chose) so I'm torn about which to pursue further...
The effects of hydrogen sulfide exposure are interesting, but like I said, I'm not sure that I want to head into something when I get the sense that maybe we are being pointed in another direction...
by: chenmeina (30 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 08, 2005
ME: The other theory I came up with in March though was a natural EMF surrounding the island, which, if the natural geothermal generator can produce electricity, then it could probably produce an EMF...
Just to clarify, my understanding is that the natural geothermal energy source has to be directed into a man-made turbine to produce electricity...
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
chen, I know what you mean about how info. you read says that a natural nuclear reactor is no longer possible, but take a look at this web page (I didn't find this myself, but a friend A friend sent it to me):
chen: Just to clarify, my understanding is that the natural geothermal energy source has to be directed into a man-made turbine to produce electricity...
That would make sense - they would have adapted it to use it for electricity.
Kind of interesting, I thought. Though the coincidence may be the sensational part; the more relevant issues are that Locke had a geiger counter at all and how Desmond's fits into our larger theory of a natural, subterranean energy source.
Yeah- I was wondering if Desmond had a G-Counter. I've seen those yellow box ones before (we had to convert one into a VOM in shop class). That certainly pushes the Natural Reactor theory a bit more. If radiation was an issue, you'd think the meter would be a bit more available. But it is right there on the shelf.
by: SuzQdotcom (9 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 10, 2005
Do you think there could be any connection to the name 'eko' and OKLA where the natural nuclear reactor is?
Also, fwiw, when MrEko answered Jin about whether he was married and he said 'worse' I took it that his wife had been on the plane and she hadn't made it. this presumes he liked his wife and is sad she's gone, as opposed to the 'take my wife -- please' takes most have interpreted ;o)
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Sneaker: ME? I guess it's safe to discredit anything from the Channel4 site? Maybe not discredit, but engage Grain-of-salt translator?
Sneaker, I'd say take info. from the Channel 4 site with a HUGE grain of salt.
Both the Oceanic-air and Oceanicflight815 are ABC sites, and are much more reliable. I hope the Oceanic-air site gets updated soon - that's where we're supposed to be able to find most of our clues in the future, but the updates on it seem to come so slow, so I'm not sure how that's going to end up working for them in the end (as a resource for disceminating clues to fans on a weekly, or even regular basis).
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Chen, there's a lot in that article, but something really popped out to me... but first a little review...
Ok, we have a geothermal generator... we've been honing in on a natural nuclear reactor.... but we've ALSO been given very strong clues pointing to a metorite on the island:
Something went BOOM, then something went PING, then the plane crashed own. This was a history of the island type of reference. The BOOM, based on other clues given, was a meteorite.
In reading this article I posted, focusing on natural nuclear reactors, and suddenly - BOOM - the meteorite is back and fits in so well!:
Thousands of miles beneath our feet, a giant nuclear reactor seems to be at work deep within Earth's core, and preliminary research suggests it may be the mysterious power source behind the planet's magnetic field and thermal energy, upon which all life on the planet depends for its survival, scientists told United Press International.
New data analyzed by J. Marvin Herndon, geoscientist and president of Transdyne Corporation, of San Diego, Calif., and Daniel F. Hollenback, a nuclear engineer and criticality expert at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, in Oak Ridge, Tenn., show the reactor -- a ball of uranium about five miles in diameter and located at the center of the core -- may have been operating nearly since the formation of the planet.
Current knowledge of the structure of Earth's interior is derived mainly from seismic data and chemical analyses of common meteorites, Herndon continued. Based on that data, scientists estimate about 30 percent of Earth's mass comprises an outer core, he said, which is thought to consist of iron and maybe one or more lighter elements such as sulfur.
Herndon said he received a major insight when he studied a different type of meteorite. Enstatite chondrite meteorites, as they are called, have chemical compositions similar to Earth's interior. Unlike more common meteorites, enstatite chondrite meteorites contain most of their uranium in the part of the meteorite that corresponds to Earth's core.
So, if enstatite chondrite meteorites, have chemical compositions similar to Earth's interior, and contain most of their uranium in the part of the meteorite that corresponds to Earth's core... then they are like little earths, then I guess they're saying they are like little nuclear reactors, they have a strong magnetic filed the could conceivably encompass the island... in the same way they're saying the natural nuclear reactor in the earth is creating the earth's geomagnetic field.
This means we're back to talking about an enstatite chondrite meteorite that fell on the island, was mined (Not sure why?), and then was adapted as a power source.
So, it's not a natural nuclear reactor like Oklo, but it's from a meteorite! And that is probably what the black thing in the wall was... or at least part of it.
If the ball of uranium in the earth is only 5 miles wide, and THAT is enough to provide a strong enough geomagnetic field to sorround the planet, and to provide all of earth's energy, then it wouldn't take much to power the island, or to create a strong EMF found the island.
by: chenmeina (30 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 08, 2005
Wow, ME
When I read that article, the meteorite stuff stood out to me too... but I didn't know where to go with it. I like your ideas a lot, tying the meteorite, the nuclear reaction, the EMF together. I need to think about this some more...
by: SuzQdotcom (9 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 10, 2005
ME? I guess it's safe to discredit anything from the Channel4 site? Maybe not discredit, but engage Grain-of-salt translator?
I don't know if you'd consider this a reliable site, but TV.Com states in an article about AA-A joining the cast of lost, "Adewale will play EMEKA "a mysterious man whose presence on the island . . . ."
by: dad_of_4_ (2150 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Aug 05, 2005
Polygamy resists pressure International Media Corner. Dispatch. April 17, 1998. Polygamy resists pressure. By BENEDICTE MANIER in Paris. POLYGAMY is still widespread in Africa and appears. to be surviving more strongly in French-speaking ... traditional practices". Polygamy has been abolished in some countries "but ...
Montesquieu: The Spirit of Laws: Book 16 How the Laws of Domestic Slavery Bear a Relation to the Nature of the Climate. 1. Of domestic Servitude. Slaves are established for the family; but they are not a part of it. ... That in the Countries of the South there is a natural Inequality between the two Sexes. Women ... them. Though in countries where polygamy is once established the number ...
by: Sneaker123 (834 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
A little timeline info (borrowed with pride from LostIn48073 on the Lage):
Hurley asked Starla to see the Hold Steadys at the Troubadour: The Hold Steadys very first west coast show ever was in June 2005. Even their first show at the Troubadour (on Monday June 13 2005) doesn't mesh with the day he said the show was (Friday), so it must have been a show AFTER June 2005.
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I note, however, that their first album came out in May 2004:
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Sneaker, do you have the resource for the info about the date of the Hold Steady's first West Coast show?
I hope this doesn't mean that the crash really did happen in 2005 - why do that to us? We have to have SOMETHING to grasp onto for a starting date. Why do all these timelines if the date of the crash is going to be different than what we've been led to believe?
I DO know the UK CH4 site seems to indicate the crash happened in 2005, but i thought that was just because they're just seeing season 1 in 2005. Their date of the flight is even different, and we KNOW it was September...
Dad, the thought that Echo might have meant multiple wives has been talked about quite a bit here - not sure if you've been able to read the posts or not... but someone posted info on multiple wives (and husbands, in some areas) in Africa... but the info you posted is new and quite interesting. Maybe that IS the word he stated. I'll have to go back and see exactly what Sawyer asked him.
by: back_gammon (960 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
A: The most important point of the evening is that Jin took his eye off the ball. That girl in orange was smoking hot!!!
Jin took his eye off one particular ball (girl in orange) because he was not looking for love. Nothing in the episode seemed to indicate Jin was looking for love. All the references point to Jin's ambition and that he was looking for a way to advance himself, gain respect, etc.
Thus, perhaps his marriage to Sun was a means to advance his ambitions. Sun's father was a rich and powerful man. I'm thinking of Jack's statement to Sun when they were discussing the missing ring, "It's crazy where you'll look when you want to find something bad enough." Perhaps at the moment Jin and Sun collided, Jin's ambition and need for respect drove him look for it in a crazy place - marriage to a rich woman.
All along we've seen Jin struggle to balance ambition, need for more respect, and honor, on the one hand, and loyalty to his family, his humble beginnings, and feelings of love, on the other hand.
Thus, perhaps Jin's flashback did not quite stamp closure on Jin's internal dynamic as some on the boards have suggested. Jin's character is a very complicated one, and I think it's still very much an open question as to whether or not he has found some sort of balance.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
gammon, who is the "A" who said the quote about the girl in the orange dress? I know I've read that, but we know Ada as "A" and i didn't think it was her that said it, but can't remember who. Where did you see that?
By the way, WHAT is wrong with the board this evening? It looks all wonky!
by: dad_of_4_ (2150 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Aug 05, 2005
Dad, the thought that Echo might have meant multiple wives has been talked about quite a bit here - not sure if you've been able to read the posts or not...
Thanks me, I saw that but just thought about it and then the French, and it fits that there are still polygamist societys in Africa where the predominent language is French of Pidgin French....
I was trying to find more on his name, when I here it, it sounds Spanish for Mosaic...
Mosaico. (Moe - Sigh- Co) then I saw that name with references to French Africa and slaves....and that he had written...the cause of echos....seemed to coincidental....
Was hoping Marbles or someone that knew French could give us the pronunciation and see if it could be pidgin to fit...
So much of language is "Creolized" or Pidgined...Think of Gula in the Carolinas and Cajun in Louisiana....
That's why I'm thinking that we won't find an exact French spelling or translation...
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
gammon: All along we've seen Jin struggle to balance ambition, need for more respect, and honor, on the one hand, and loyalty to his family, his humble beginnings, and feelings of love, on the other hand.
It's interesting you put "honor" on the end with ambition and need for more respect. I think what he struggled with was what he wanted to honor more... his ambition, or his family and heritage. When presented with the choice of keeping the father and child out of the hotel because they were poor, or as the hotel owner said, "like you", in order to gain the respect of his boss, and gain ground in his ambitions, or let the child in to honor his integrity, his heart, his own history and humble beginnings, he was unable to choose ambition.
When given the choice of killing a man to honor Mr. Paik and his ambition, or sparing a man's life in order to honor is own integrity, and values, he did not choose ambition.
He clearly had a desire to rise out of the fishing village and do great things, yet his upbrining and family's honorable influences are clearly woven tightly within his soul.
Just look at how he's evolved on the island - at first, he didn't want anything to do with anyone else - he didn't want to ask for help, Sun had to be by his side - though he DID catch urchins for everyone right away, and fish. But he shut everyone out - was guarded.. untrusting. But by the end of S1, he was leaving Sun behind, and now he actually went off to find Michael... who he once tried to kill for taking a watch, that he only cared about because it was Mr. Paik's.
Well, it's definitely all very interesting, and I'll be interested to see where Jin's journey goes in the month's ahead. I agree that there are still layers there to unfold.
by: back_gammon (960 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
gammon, who is the "A" who said the quote about the girl in the orange dress? I know I've read that, but we know Ada as "A" and i didn't think it was her that said it, but can't remember who. Where did you see that?
Mr or Ms Sea, I was referring to the couple of questions from A reported by Stads_MD on page 2 of this thread. However, upon closer inspection, it appears that A did not make that particular statement about dropping the ball, but instead it was a comment added by Stads_MD, himself.
Still, I like to think of Jin's character's struggles, and everyone else's on the island, as being ongoing. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jin's ambition move him toward a greater leadership role in future episodes, and very rapidly too, I might add. His only obstacle right now is the language gap, and he's gaining proficiency rapidly.
Also, I included "honor" on the binary with ambition and respect because I was thinking of it in terms of "face"- the measure by which Jin would be judged by men in the public sphere, including the sphere of career or work. The other qualities I lumped together because I see those as being more private, not things he would share easily in the public sphere. Just my 2 cents.
by: awcovell (108 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 27, 2005
Wow. I took some things very differently from many of you.
I though Ecko said "was" when Jin asked if he was married. By the look on his face, I thought he was indicating that his wife had been killed by "them".
Also, I understood his name (first or last, I don't know) to by something like "Mistariko", and Sawyer heard Mr. Echo. Ecko found it amusing and decided not to correct Sawyer. However, he is referred to as "Mistariko" by Ana-Lucia, so that's the name he goes by. It may not be French. It could be Nigerian.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
gammon:Mr or Ms Sea, I was referring to the couple of questions from A reported by Stads_MD on page 2 of this thread. However, upon closer inspection, it appears that A did not make that particular statement about dropping the ball, but instead it was a comment added by Stads_MD, himself.
Ah, thanks, gammon! I knew I had read that, and had thought it had been in this thread, but I couldn't remember when, or by whom.... but I didn't think it had been A., which is why I asked. I appreciate you double checking and answering.
By the way, I am a Ms.... but you can just call me ME or sea. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
I appreciate your additional thoughts in response to what I posted in reply to your previous post about Jin. I think we're basically in agreement here... just a little difference on the "honor" issue. I guess I'm aware of how strong family honor is in Eastern cultures, so that's why i was thinknig that honor wouldn't only be on the "ambition" site, and if anything, would be more on the family/integrity side. But I think honor is more of a holistic way of being anyway. If one has honor, they have honor in everything they do... and make decisions and choices based on honor... or at least strive to.
At any rate, I think we agree that Jin has more ahead for us to see on his journey.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
awcovell: Also, I understood his name (first or last, I don't know) to by something like "Mistariko", and Sawyer heard Mr. Echo. Ecko found it amusing and decided not to correct Sawyer. However, he is referred to as "Mistariko" by Ana-Lucia, so that's the name he goes by. It may not be French. It could be Nigerian.
covell, we've been told whatever he said was French. Also, French is spoken in many areas of that region in Africa anyway, so it makes sense that it might have been French. A/L doesn't call him Mr. Echo, but "Mistariko" might be her interpretation of what he said as much as Sawyer's - and he might not have corrected A/L either.
I THINK I'VE GOT IT!
It just occurred to me that on Danille's Map from the Oceanic-Air site, we have the Mosquito Coast... or as it says on the map... in FRENCH: C?te De Moustique
What if he said Moustique?? What if that's what he's called - his name, or nickname? Tribal name?
Good lord, does he drink blood? I hope not! Yikes! Though, I know in some African cultures, they do (of animals, I mean).
by: LostDuckie7 (188 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 17, 2005
someone did make a mistake - the contents of the prop were not reviewed by the writing staff before it was filmed. the resume, and the sections relating to jin's birthdate, stats and employment history should not be considered canonical.
thanks
ja vi
This was in reference to Dad's remarks on the timeline and Jin's birthdate on the resume a few pages back. Javi answered this over on the Lage board today.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
someone did make a mistake - the contents of the prop were not reviewed by the writing staff before it was filmed. the resume, and the sections relating to jin's birthdate, stats and employment history should not be considered canonical.
thanks
ja vi
This was in reference to Dad's remarks on the timeline and Jin's birthdate on the resume a few pages back. Javi answered this over on the Lage board today.
Wow - awesome, Duckie!!!! Thanks so much for letting us know!
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by: 042078 (1110 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
I know it clears up the timeline...but it brings everything into question. Why go to the trouble of putting the numbers on a candy bar, then not check Jin's resume?
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by: awcovell (108 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 27, 2005
covell, we've been told whatever he said was French. Also, French is spoken in many areas of that region in Africa anyway, so it makes sense that it might have been French. A/L doesn't call him Mr. Echo, but "Mistariko" might be her interpretation of what he said as much as Sawyer's - and he might not have corrected A/L either.
Well, I would think that after 40+ days on the Island, he'd have pointed out her mistake to her, rather than be called by the wrong name for that long.
A says it's French, and it may well be. I don't know. His original name, before changing it, was Emeka which is Nigerian, but until they give us the spelling of his name, whatever it is, we won't be able to say for sure whether it's Nigerian, French - or Swedish, for that matter.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
covell: Well, I would think that after 40+ days on the Island, he'd have pointed out her mistake to her, rather than be called by the wrong name for that long.
We don't know how long ago they met, and if he didn't bother to correct her at the beginning, why would he care to let her later?
And if she was saying it so clearly when she wanted pulled out of the pit, why did Sawyer have to ask him what his name is?
I never heard her call his name - I just heard her yell "Coming out!"
by: awcovell (108 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 27, 2005
"They" never called him Emeka. That was a gossip columnist who's more wrong than right, and the trades ran with the name.
Eko is the original name of Lagos, Nigeria.
Or it could be Swedish.
I didn't know that. I heard that the producers decided to change his name because too much information had gotten out about him, and they decided to change things up a little bit.
by: back_gammon (960 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Was A's French misunderstanding reference a general pointer to all the Season 2 episodes in which Sawyer and Mr. Eko spoke? Or was it only pointing to ...And Lost?
by: Sneaker123 (834 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
gammon, who is the "A" who said the quote about the girl in the orange dress? I know I've read that, but we know Ada as "A" and i didn't think it was her that said it, but can't remember who. Where did you see that?
By the way, WHAT is wrong with the board this evening? It looks all wonky!
ME: I know this is OT, and forgive me if it proves too distracting, but I feel compelled to acknowledge what (IMHO) is a monumental commitment to the integrity of the online community:
I am awed by the reserve and thoughtfulness displayed and feel strangely honored by the thought we might be rewarded by A visit. I'm reminded, it's just a show..... But there's more to these boards than just the subject matter. The folks who come here make it more than that.
At any rate, in case folks wondered-- probably still recharging batteries after that one....
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
gammon:Was A's French misunderstanding reference a general pointer to all the Season 2 episodes in which Sawyer and Mr. Eko spoke? Or was it only pointing to ...And Lost?
Gammon, it was specific to "And Found". What she said was, Sawyer misunderstood something. It's French! I'm convinced it was when Echo told Sawyer his name. I'm still liking my idea!
covell: Listen to it again. She is definitely NOT saying "Coming out". She's saying something that sounds like Miss-tee-ya-ko
I listened to it several times again, and I definitely did not hear anything close to "Miss-tee-ya-ko"... not anywhere near the planet of that. I definitely heard something like "Coming out".
I think we're just perceiving it differently - so we can't say it's "definitely" one or the other... we can only say, that's definitely what we each think we hear. and we can definitely agree to disagree. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
mere:That is interesting! Could this be the connection to the "drug" plane? He is not a tailender, but from the Beechcraft?
Mere, yes... that's what cac and I have thought for quite a while - ever since we heard that Adewale was joining the cast as "Mysterous Island Man". We think he's maybe from Nigeria, from the Beechcraft, though who knows?
by: meredg (1979 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 01, 2005
Thanks Me. Can I ask you about the Dharma logo? Has anyone talked about the design around the swan? The series of dashes and spaces? Does anyone think they mean something?
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Sneaker: I am awed by the reserve and thoughtfulness displayed and feel strangely honored by the thought we might be rewarded by A visit.
It's a shame it got so bad that she had to come on the board and do that. At the rate things things are going on the board, it will be a long while until she returns, though I hope not. This is why it's best to just focus on Lost, and try to treat each other respect. That's why I love this thread.
by: meredg (1979 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 01, 2005
ME--Can't believe anyone would notice if I was gone! I've been around, but reading only on this thread. I'm still digesting the last couple of episodes, so I don't feel as if I have much to add to the discussion. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
caxe: So now, I have a few questions. First off, who is A and what happened to make A leave these boards? And where has A gone? To a different board? I would really like to continue reading the material, as A's is spot on for clever and though-provoking questions.
caxe, if you've been following A's posts, as it sounds like you have, then you must know about as much as any of us do about her and why she's left. She's a very good friend to this thread, and to many on the board, and as you could apparently tell if you've been reading her, she's very wise and very insightful about Lost. We don't know where she's gone - she simply left, like anyone here might leave - and she left because of all the fighting on the board, and people attacking her and her friends. That's all I know. Hopefully if the board becomes peaceful again, she'll be back. Until then, we're on our own.
by: lucky4me8 (276 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Sneaker:I like either "Mr. E" = Mystery or
French for Mysterious is "mystérieux".
Hey, but what about my mosqito idea -- moustique!
Mere, have you been gone from the board for a while? Just wondering! Seems a while since we've seen you.
ME, I think your moustique idea seems on the right track. The more I've thinking about it, the more I think that the second syllable of e-cho is "cote," meaning coast. It's the thing that makes the most sense in the context of him answering the question, in my opinion. I'm going to listen to it again tonight and think about it--I don't know why but I'm obsessed with this one thing!
by: Stads_MD (42 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 29, 2005
Some clarification:
1.
However, upon closer inspection, it appears that A did not make that particular statement about dropping the ball, but instead it was a comment added by Stads_MD, himself.
Yeah, that was definitely my own intellectual property. Just Stads being Stads (i.e., crass, dopey, etc.).
2.
Gammon, it was specific to "And Found". What she said was, Sawyer misunderstood something. It's French! I'm convinced it was when Echo told Sawyer his name. I'm still liking my idea!
ME is correct on this. And Marsstory, a confident of A's, later tied A's comment directly to the issue of "Eko's" name:
lostrose, the name was misunderstood by Sawyer, but Eko is what the character will be called.
3.
Wow, these three weeks are going to be tough without A. But I entirely understand why she's staying away. Most of the rest of the board is entirely out of hand. I concur with ME: this is the last haven of sanity and goodness (other than my catcalls, of course).
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
lucky: . The more I've thinking about it, the more I think that the second syllable of e-cho is "cote," meaning coast.
Thanks, lucky! The only problem with that is that cote would be before the moustique part. It woud be cote de moustique if he were saying mosquito coast.
What I was thinking is that maybe he said moustique in a dialect that came out like "mis-ti-co"... mous = mis.. ti = ti... que = co or ko...
Stads:I concur with ME: this is the last haven of sanity and goodness (other than my catcalls, of course).
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by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Have any of you looked at the pics on lost-media.com for "The other 48 days"? Do you consider those spoilers? If so, I won't talk about them here.
Mere, I just went and saw them. Woe! I hadn't even seen the promos from Abandoned yet, but the promos from "The other 48 days" were much more intriguing! Looks like several of our answers are there - and yes, I'd consider them spoilers! You can talk about them here though, but just do this....
SPOILERS
Looks like Eko DOES come from Oceanic815 after all, and not the Beechcraft, unless he really pulled one over by going out into the ocean and making it look he was coming up to shore with a new suit.
Also looks like we were right about there being children on in the tail section, who were apparently taken. Notice the teddy bear?
And it looks like Anna talks to some guy who maybe was on the island already, who helps them at first? But then he turns out to be an OTHER! Do they enslave children - is that who we saw with the bare feet? I think there might have been at least two Others in those shots who infiltrated - the guy Anna is with alone, and the guy in the red shirt. I didn't see anywhere near 23 Tailers, but maybe they just weren't in the promo shots.
That looks like an epi NOT to miss - but then again, aren't they all?
by: lucky4me8 (276 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
The only problem with that is that cote would be before the moustique part. It woud be cote de moustique if he were saying mosquito coast.
What I was thinking is that maybe he said moustique in a dialect that came out like "mis-ti-co"... mous = mis.. ti = ti... que = co or ko...
True. But it could be something "a cote" ("at the coast"). Or "y cote" ("there are the coast"). Mis a terre a cote? ('Mis a terre" is knocked down or felled, like a tree). "Mise a la terre" means to "ground," as in an electical wire.
Something...tere a cote (the verb terrir is to come ashore).
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Lucy, it's NOT Swedish! LOL! It's French!
I guess what I'm trying to say is, he was saying a name... his name. Or maybe you're not understanding what I meant when I first explained it. I was just sharing what is on Danielle's map, verbatim, explaining how it came to me that Eko might have said moustique... meaning, mosquito. I wouldn't have thoght to mention cote otherwise, as it doesn't sound to me that cote is any part of what he says.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
caxe: Does anyone know where to locate the user Slainers? I read that Slainers was in contact with A, and I would enjoy reading those posts, or at least being able to read the questions indirectly. Once again, any help anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
I have no idea. You can try doing a search for her name. Otherwise, I don't know. I just don't think you're going to find any A. posts on the board for a while, and I don't think Slainers has been around all that much lately. Good luck!
by: lucky4me8 (276 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Lucy, it's NOT Swedish! LOL! It's French!
I guess what I'm trying to say is, he was saying a name... his name. Or maybe you're not understanding what I meant when I first explained it. I was just sharing what is on Danielle's map, verbatim, explaining how it came to me that Eko might have said moustique... meaning, mosquito. I wouldn't have thoght to mention cote otherwise, as it doesn't sound to me that cote is any part of what he says.
Oh well. Hard to say...
ME- No, I was kidding about the Swedish part, and I do understand what you were saying. I don't know why I'm so fixated on this--I'm like a dog with a bone. Maybe it's because I do speak French, so I feel like it's inane that I can't figure it out. But--sigh--the only thing that makes sense other than a total non-sequitor in response to the question is Mister Eko--LOL.
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
caxe: The one thing I can conclude is that he is certainly not saying moustique, as that would produce a very different sound, no matter what accent.
Ok - that's good to know. I'll rule out moustique then.
cax: The thing that really confounds me is that when Sawyer asks his name, he takes a good pause and looks at both Sawyer and the background before answering. I think this has to mean something - why would someone take so long to respond to such a simple question?
Because they all have trust issues, and Sawyer is a red neck, and maybe Eko thought it would just be better to let Sawyer think what he first concluded, rather than to stop or correct him or explain what it meant? I think there's a lot more to Eko than we see (obviously - since we first met him!)
caxe: Also, I was pondering the clue about what is above Jin on the hotel entrance. I've studied all the scenes and the only words I see are SGH for the Seoul Gateway Hotel - but maybe there's more? There are a few metal lamps on the walls above him, but what about the reflections in the glass? I notice an office building? Anyone have anything else?
It might be the Korean writing that we're supposed to be looking at.
by: jbbrennan (86 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005
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So, those barefoot people running all through the campfire shots in pictures 26-27, are those the same barefoot people Jin and Eko watched at the end of the last episode? Certainly looks like the same dirty legs, etc.
by: lucky4me8 (276 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing!
ME,
SPOILER
Well it would solve a lot of our problems if she walks right up tp A/L in the flashback and says, "Hi. I'm Mrs. Eko, nice to meet you!" Or even better, "I'm one or six Mrs. Ekos--The five wives died in the crash!" LOL
by: MEandthesea (1199 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
guys, a tip/request... you need to write "SPOILER"... THEN add a lot of space, then write your spoiler, and THEN add more space... this makes it so anyone who wants to scroll past the spoiler to the post after the spoiler won't end up accidentally seeing the spoiler.
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