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Page(s)10 [12345678910]>>>?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comAre Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 10replyPosted: Nov03@ 02:04PMby:cac120(575 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004The discussion continues in Part 11:http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=681392Hatch to the last page:http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=1050&threadID=648311&forumStart=0The questions for The Other 48 Days are on page 27:http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=780&threadID=648311&forumStart=0The questions for Abandoned are on page 13:http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=360&threadID=648311&forumStart=0Back to Part 9, with the discussion of ... And Found:http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=622254Back to Part 8, with the questions for Orientation and the discussion of Everybody Hates Hugo:http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=591407&forumStart=90Back to Part 7, with the questions for Man of Science, Man of Faith and Adrift:http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=524373The earlier parts of this thread, which George has dined on, have begun to rematerialize with Brax' help:http://www.aimoo.com/forum/categories.cfm?id=658412&CategoryID=467838The questions (some official; some not) for the first six episodes can be found in my next post.Message was edited by: cac120end Thread stats - lower topic related toolbar
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Purple homework for 2.1 Man of Science, Man of Faith (Jack)
Now, let's see if we can bring Desmond into focus, shall we?
1. >: l Now there's a computer command I haven't seen in many years! And I'll bet some of you never have! It gives you a date.
2. "Execute" Another time reference for anyone who knows computers.
3. Boy, it was great to hear Cass again, wasn't it?! But those lyrics have a meannnnnniiinnnnngggg.
4. What was the name of the 57 year old male who died while Jack saved Sarah?
5. What time did he die?
6. Who leads Shannon to Walt?
7. Think the vision through. What is Walt's condition? What is Walt signifying?
8. Why Shannon?
9. What happened to the Chicken place where Hurley worked?
10. What is Kate doing......saying (Come on, Jaters!).......when she screams for Locke to stop, then disappears?
11. What is the insignia on Desmond's shirt?
12. What is Desmond training for?
13. At what hospital does Jack work?
14. Look at the painting. Stop. I mean it. LOOK at the painting. There are things, words, and numbers that are imperative. Look at the painting.
15. Freaky thing with the key, huh?
16. Buckminster Fuller would be proud!
17. As Jack is looking around the place, what can you hear calling in the background? Listen closely! 18. Quarantine?
19. Why look at that kids! Mr. Wizard has a rotating objective lens cell! Think of the things that you could do with that!
20. Say? Does anyone else remember the cable that disappeared into the ground?
21. How long do you think it will take Danielle to realize that she's spent a lot of Saturday nights alone needlessly? This one isn't actually a question. It's just a fun one to ponder. She could have been strappin' and zappin' Des for a few years now at least!
Purple homework for 2.2 Adrift (Michael)
1. Who can Sawyer hear when he surfaces?
2. What is Sawyer's initial actions? Self-preservation?
3. What's the range of that boat?
4. Say? What's that lighted keypad spelling out?
5. Yes, yes, the joke. Now think it through (tricky writers)...... who has Desmond been talking to if not Locke?
6. How has Desmond been talking to someone who tells corny jokes and what has he been saying to Desmond? Yes, he did tell you enough to know. Don?t listen to our survivors. Listen to Desmond. What has the voice out there been telling him?
7. "So the world's still out there?"
8. How many survivors are there?
9. How many days since the crash?
10. "As in sick......as in ill.........as in dead?"
11. Make a list of the words visible in the hatch.
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5- What is the source of the magnetism?
6- Why are the bunkers in half-earth layers?
7- Why did the shower, in relation to the geothermal generation, smell of sulfur?
8- Why has the Tail-Enders survival been different on the North End of the island with the Others? Let's break that one down to bite size for a chimp brain. We get that they were having run ins with the Others, I am asking you what is different about the North end of the island? Specifically?
9- How are the bunkers laid out?
10- What is the logo on the Tail-Enders bunker. Specifically, what is in the center of the logo?
2.5 ... And Found (Jin & Sun) (from the FAQ site)
1. How many days has it been since the Rafties left?
2. Who color does Sun's mother say Sun is at moment?
3. What does that mean?
4. What hexagram from the I-Ching turns up on Jin's horoscope for the day of his interview?
5. What does it symbolize?
6. What is in the logo center behind the Tail-Enders?
7. Who does Ana-Lucia send with Eko to scout while the rest gather food for the trip?
8. Where does Libby say "They" come from?
9. What was the name of the Sun's dog?
10. What was the name of the dead Tail-Ender that Jin stumbles on?
11. What plant does Eko hand Jin for his cut? He's good with the island plants, isn't he?
12. What does Eko answer when Jin asks if he is married?
13. How did Locke stop being angry and frustrated?
14. What does Mr. Lee plan to do in six months?
15. Mr. Eko says the Others don't leave what?
16. Watch the Others pass by. What can you tell about them from their color, their clothes, the child?
17. Watch how the Others walk. How are they not leaving footprints?
18. Take a look at the Teddy Bear. Toy bondage? Look at the bandage on the bear.
19. Look for clues above Jin on the hotel front.
Purple homework for 2.6 Abandoned (Shannon)
1. What does Shannon pour the water for Vincent into?
2. Why does Sayid say he is carrying a gun?
3. Who does Libby ask Eko is he saw in the jungle when he saw the people who passed Jin and him?
4. What did Shannon want to leave the lean-to for?
5. What happens just before Shannon sees Walt?
6. What is Libby's profession?
7. According to Rose, who is the one person on the island that Shannon loved?
8. Where does Vincent lead Shannon when she says "Find Walt"?
9. What does Claire say Charlie could be for all she knows?
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11. How old is Shannon at the time of his death, and what else does this tell you? Yes it does! Many things!
12. With what organization was Shannon's internship?
13. When Eko decides they need to cut through the jungle to get to the Fusies, take a good look at the landscape over Ana's shoulder. What is that thing?
14. When did Ana like Eko better?
15. According to Ana, what was the time table for the attacks on the Tailies camp? Compare to the Fusies.
16. In the game on the beach, why did Charlie tell Locke that Claire was going to give up Aaron?
17. When do you last see Cindy?
18. The Tailies hear the whispering, and their reaction is.....?
19. What is Walt doing?
20. Sayid falls in the mud, and then yells what?
Purple homework for 2.8 The Other 48 Days (The Tailies)
1. Where is Emma's mother?
2. Where did Libby go skiing?
3. What does Goodwin say he is in?
4. What does Eko tell Bernard he will do for Bernard's wife and the search planes?
5. How many do the Others target the first night?
6. What three people are missing the next morning?
7. Who kills the chicken and how?
8. How long does Libby say Eko has been silent when she offers him the chicken?
9. What did Ana find on the girl she killed?
10. Could Eko find a trail when he searched for the children?
11. What does Ana say, exactly, is on the list?
12. Why does Nathan say they should stop walking inland?
13. Where is Nathan from?
14. Why was Nathan in Australia?
15. Why does he say he wasn't apparent on the plane?
16. How does Goodwin kill Nathan?
17. On what day do they find the bunker?
18. Look at the area around the bunker.
19. What exactly is in the chest in the bunker, and in the center of the new symbol?
20. Why does Goodwin say the first 4 were targeted?
21. What is on the knife, and how old does Ana think it is?
22. Why wasn't Nathan on the list, according to Goodwin?
by: chenmeina (64 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 08, 2005
tunguska: The island has been used and re-used - adapted. What if the hatches were already in the island when Dharma found it? Perhaps they are part of a bigger network of tunnels inside the island.
I think you're right and that the tunnels are from either mining or building "bomb shelter" type of structures during WWII (I say this because of the old dynamite they found in the Black Rock). I don't know, though, about whether they are all inter-connected or separate... And I don't think I agree with the floating island idea... But I like your ideas...
by: cac120 (575 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
Welcome to the board, tung!
I think that all of those ideas have been discussed, but thanks for bringing them up again.
The island has definitely been re-used and adapted, several times.
I think that the hatches were there pre-Dharma. My guess is that they were built by the military out of the older mining tunnels, which were dug out of the natural veins of the shield volcano which formed the island.
We think that there are 6 hatches and it's highly likely that they are were all connected at one time. They were probably sealed off from one another at the time of the incident.
Some people believe that the island is floating. I don't subscribe to that theory.
by: Sneaker123 (1197 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 9 (aka - how to amuse yourself during a 3 week rerun break).
Finally into the home stretch before NEW CLUES. I think this new thread is a GREAT place to drop a fresh set of A's questions for ....and found....
Regarding the floating island, I'm not sure about all those tunnel holes giving it bouyancy, but I definitely think something artificial is capable of raising or lowering the island and caused that sudden high tide that washed away much of the wreckage (aside from the Hawaiian neighbors complaining about the eye-sore). It may also be responsible, in part, for the location of the Black Rock so far inland.
But I think the consensus is there was some significant mining on the island and that left a LOT of tunneling which was reused later for two or more underground projects including some military experiemnts and the Dharma Project.
by: tunguska1908 (10 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 03, 2005
If you had just built a research station on an island and it sank and floated off somewhere, once it popped up again I'd have whoever was still on it go and transmit its new coordinates.
by: luvndesperate (241 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 15, 2005
Wish I knew....but Hurley's luck immediately after winning the lottery was definitely bad. Well, unless his uncle was a serial killer, and his mom's physically abusive to him, and the house he bought his mom that burned down was structurally unsound then I guess it could all be construed as good luck.
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
tung: I have spent hours reading this stuff and I haven't seen this theory (but there is nothing new under the Sun).
The island has been used and re-used - adapted.
Actually, those things have been discussed rather thoroughly here in past parts of this thread. And that part about the island being "used and re-used - adapted"... was a clue from our friend A... almost verbatim.
I'm guessing from your name that you're definitely not new to the board. LOL!
by: awcovell (109 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 27, 2005
Has anyone actually answered A's questions about who Desmond was hearing bad jokes from and who was telling him what was going on outside?
That's something that's really sticking with me and I can't seem to move past it.
All I can think of, in terms of bad jokes, is Michael, Walt or the nurse in the hospital who told Michael the penguin joke, which he then sent to Walt. However, that doesn't make sense when you add it to the question about to whom Desmond's been talking.
Anyone have any ideas, or can you direct me to a place where these questions were answered or discussed?
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
awcovell: All I can think of, in terms of bad jokes, is Michael, Walt or the nurse in the hospital that gave told Michael the penguin joke, which he then sent to Walt. However, that doesn't make sense when you add it to the question about to whom Desmond's been talking.
Anyone have any ideas, or can you direct me to a place where these questions were answered or discussed?
Good thoughts! Though, Charlie is known to tell some rather corny jokes too. Actully, Claire tells him something along those lines during that very episode. Not that I've ever heard him tell a joke exactly like the snowmany or penguin joke... but he's a possibility.
by: luvndesperate (241 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 15, 2005
Has anyone actually answered A's questions about who Desmond was hearing bad jokes from and who was telling him what was going on outside?
That's something that's really sticking with me and I can't seem to move past it.
All I can think of, in terms of bad jokes, is Michael, Walt or the nurse in the hospital who told Michael the penguin joke, which he then sent to Walt. However, that doesn't make sense when you add it to the question about to whom Desmond's been talking.
Anyone have any ideas, or can you direct me to a place where these questions were answered or discussed?
Thanks!
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I'm stymied over that one too. It'd be a twist if Desmond were also one of the Others and he hadn't been down there alone and just playing with our survivors.
by: tunguska1908 (10 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 03, 2005
Me - I am quite new, I have been reading it for a few days now but I must have missed that discussion.
I have been trying to come up with a solution to some of the problems.
The idea that there are a number of layered problems - a number of separate plot lines that each exist in their own stratum but intersect, much like sedimentary layers laid down over time - is a good one.
by: awcovell (109 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 27, 2005
awcovell: All I can think of, in terms of bad jokes, is Michael, Walt or the nurse in the hospital that gave told Michael the penguin joke, which he then sent to Walt. However, that doesn't make sense when you add it to the question about to whom Desmond's been talking.
Anyone have any ideas, or can you direct me to a place where these questions were answered or discussed?
Good thoughts! Though, Charlie is known to tell some rather corny jokes too. Actully, Claire tells him something along those lines during that very episode. Not that I've ever heard him tell a joke exactly like the snowmany or penguin joke... but he's a possibility.
Thank you.
I'm not good at coming up with overriding theories -- most of them are too intricate and complicated for me me to understand, much less come up with in the first place.
So, I have a tendency to focus on the little details. This one's been niggling at me for awhile (actually, lots of them have, but this one seems to have some staying power. . . .)
If the film is correct, then Desmond shouldn't have used the computer to do anything but enter the numbers -- assuming that he could have done anything else (like use it to communicate with someone) in the first place. I don't know a lot about those old computers -- could they even be used to communicate with someone else? I don't think so, but I don't know for sure.
I suppose he could have gotten that joke from Kelvin ("here's the secret password your replacment should know"), and I'm sure Kelvin told him lots of information -- whether it was true or not is another kettle of fish-- but that doesn't really seem to be the direction A was sending us in -- unless I'm misreading her clue which is entirely possible.
Anyway, I think the reason it's been bugging me is that, as small a thing as it seems to be, it could be really significant (so what else is new, right?). If Desmond wasn't getting his information from Kelvin, his source might be really important.
by: luvndesperate (241 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 15, 2005
What I got from A is that it is significant that the Orientation video has been edited and sections removed from the original. Meaning that "don't use the computer for anything" is a fragment of a sentence and not a complete sentence. Anything could have come after "anything".
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Hi all!
I've been doing a little research on the control panel that we keep seeing in the hallway... and also researching nuclear generators, to see what would be involved if they did indeed adapt a natural nuclear generator (special meteorite), as we suspect - what components will be in place, how water would be used, etc.
First of all, here is the control panel I'm talking about:
scroll down to the first large image you come to under "Recent Images". Notice the green digital numbers - the caption says "Accelerator on standby - green display shows 2Kv "keep-alive" current on the grid."
That digital number panel reminds me of the number counter in the dome.
Now scroll down to the very last image on the page. Look like a modernized version of the control panel in the hatch hallway?
As far as nuclear generators go, here is a page titled "How do Nuclear Power Plants Work?:
"In most electric power plants, water is heated and converted into steam, which drives a turbine-generator to produce electricity. Fossil-fueled power plants produce heat by burning coal, oil, or natural gas. In a nuclear power plant, the fission of Uranium atoms in the reactor provides the heat to produce steam for generating electricity.
Several commercial reactor designs are currently in use in the United States. The most widely used design consists of a heavy steel pressure vessel surrounding a reactor core. The reactor core contains the Uranium fuel. The fuel is formed into cylindrical ceramic pellets about one-half inch in diameter, which are sealed in long metal tubes called fuel tubes. The pins are arranged in groups to make a fuel assembly. A group of fuel assemblies forms the core of the reactor."
Ok, so if we're dealing with a natural nuclear reactor on Lost, then I think it would still need to be contained in a "heavy steel pressure vessel".
"Most commercial nuclear reactors use ordinary water to remove the heat created by the fission process. These are called light water reactors. The water also serves to slow down, or "moderate" the neutrons. In this type of reactor, the chain reaction will not occur without the water to serve as a moderator. In the United States, two different light-water reactor designs are currently in use, the Pressurized Water Reactor (PWR) and the Boiling Water Reactor (BWR)."
"In a PWR, the heat is removed from the reactor by water flowing in a closed pressurized loop. The heat is transferred to a second water loop through a heat exchanger. The second loop is kept at a lower pressure, allowing the water to boil and create steam, which is used to turn the turbine-generator and produce electricity. Afterward, the steam is condensed into water and returned to the heat exchanger.
In a BWR, water boils inside the reactor itself, and the steam goes directly to the turbine-generator to produce electricity. Here, too, the steam is condensed and reused."
So, considering the gauges on the control panel, maybe they control the pressure of a Pressurized Water Reactor (PWR)?
If you look at the link I provided, you'll see a diagram of both a BWR and a PWR. You see how water is pumped through a loop, as well as how a separate water loop is pumped through a pipe, in and out, to cool it (this water appears to never come in contact with the nuclear fuel.
This would of course explain where the water from the island is being diverted to (which is what led us to this nuclear reactor idea in the first place back in March).
Anyway, seems like a lot of pieces of the puzzle that might fit, so wanted to be sure to post it while it's still in my head!
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
luv: What I got from A is that it is significant that the Orientation video has been edited and sections removed from the original. Meaning that "don't use the computer for anything" is a fragment of a sentence and not a complete sentence. Anything could have come after "anything".
I agree, luv... could hav ebeen "don't use the computer for anything stupid" or "for anything personal" or "for anything x-rated" or "for anything not work-related"... or "for anything other than entering the numbers". That's the thing, as you said, we just don't know! So, our brains fill in the blanks, and then suddenly it's fact... which is maybe how Kelvin got the the impression he was "saving the world"..
by: what_went_ping (85 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 26, 2005
ME: Now scroll down to the very last image on the page. Look like a modernized version of the control panel in the hatch hallway?
Maybe, maybe not. All sorts of pressure systems and other industrial systems use gauges, indicator lights, and buttons on control panels. Are there any shots like the one with Hurley where we make out what the labels say?
One thing I noticed was that whatever that gauge is for, it's off. The pressure (or whatever it's measuring) is reading zero.
Hmm...maybe it's a spedometer for the island's mobility system? " type="#_x0000_t75">
by: tunguska1908 (10 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 03, 2005
So the meteorite crashed onto the island (that maybe isn't really a submarine, I accept that " type="#_x0000_t75">) and is being used as a power source for the hatch...or maybe for the hatch and for something else under the sea, via the cable (who said the cable came from the sea rather than going to the sea) ? That would explain the concrete. That might explain the magnetism too, if it contained a lot of magnetised iron.
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
ping:Maybe, maybe not. All sorts of pressure systems and other industrial systems use gauges, indicator lights, and buttons on control panels.
Yes, what I was posting was a "maybe" - a theory... thought. Basically I've been searching the internet for similar images as the control panel on the screen shot, and the image I posted was the closest thing I found so far. I'm not saying that's what it definitely is, but a "maybe". But I'm glad you can see how it MIGHT be the control panel for a nuclear geothermal generator as well " type="#_x0000_t75">
ping: One thing I noticed was that whatever that gauge is for, it's off. The pressure (or whatever it's measuring) is reading zero.
You're talking about the gauge on the panel in the hatch hallway?
tung: So the meteorite crashed onto the island (that maybe isn't really a submarine, I accept that ) and is being used as a power source for the hatch...or maybe for the hatch and for something else under the sea, via the cable (who said the cable came from the sea rather than going to the sea) ? That would explain the concrete. That might explain the magnetism too, if it contained a lot of magnetised iron.
Yes, that's what I'm saying. And that's what we've been saying... that a meteorite crashed onto the island and is now a natural nuclear generator power source for the island (not just the generator)... it's what was adapted.
By the way, many of us DO believe a submarine is involved... but not that the island is actually a submarine. Many of us think that the "whale" Janelle, the diary writer, saw was a small submarine surfacing.
A related side note: when Kate was opening the "front door" to the Station, from the inside, it definitely looked like the door from a submarine.
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by: Sneaker123 (1197 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
One thing to keep in mind about a possible reactor: All those references to Apollo. If there is a reactor on the island, I believe it would have to involve, if only as the objective, fusion as the power source. The containment of fission reactors is through thick walls and heavy metals (along with perpetual removal of heat through water and isertion of interference rods)-- not electromagnetic fields. Those come into play particularly in containing fusion reactions.
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LOL...anyone know why the title of (i think) episode 8 was changed from "Old Habits" to "Collision"?
I "think" it's because it was going to be a Charlie episode, but now it's going to be a Ana Lucia one? I could be wrong though, it changes daily " type="#_x0000_t75">
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by: Sneaker123 (1197 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
LOL...anyone know why the title of (i think) episode 8 was changed from "Old Habits" to "Collision"?
I "think" it's because it was going to be a Charlie episode, but now it's going to be a Ana Lucia one? I could be wrong though, it changes daily " type="#_x0000_t75">
Perhaps a little spoilerish (heaven forbid), but if you look at the previous thread (Part 9)
soMMEone closer to the show offers insight into why the episodes have been shifting around this season. Don't worry, we'll see those Sawyer & Charlie episodes soon enough.
I wanna see a Desmond or Danielle FB!!!!
A Vincent one would be intriguing too (though precariously close to shark-jumping).
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Just thought I'd repost this, which I origianlly posted in the Part 9 thread on October 21...
chen, I know what you mean about how info. you read says that a natural nuclear reactor is no longer possible, but take a look at this web page (I didn't find this myself, but a friend A friend sent it to me):
chen: Just to clarify, my understanding is that the natural geothermal energy source has to be directed into a man-made turbine to produce electricity...
That would make sense - they would have adapted it to use it for electricity.
and then a few posts down I posted:
Chen, there's a lot in that article, but something really popped out to me... but first a little review...
Ok, we have a geothermal generator... we've been honing in on a natural nuclear reactor.... but we've ALSO been given very strong clues pointing to a metorite on the island:
Something went BOOM, then something went PING, then the plane crashed own. This was a history of the island type of reference. The BOOM, based on other clues given, was a meteorite.
In reading this article I posted, focusing on natural nuclear reactors, and suddenly - BOOM - the meteorite is back and fits in so well!:
Thousands of miles beneath our feet, a giant nuclear reactor seems to be at work deep within Earth's core, and preliminary research suggests it may be the mysterious power source behind the planet's magnetic field and thermal energy, upon which all life on the planet depends for its survival, scientists told United Press International.
New data analyzed by J. Marvin Herndon, geoscientist and president of Transdyne Corporation, of San Diego, Calif., and Daniel F. Hollenback, a nuclear engineer and criticality expert at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, in Oak Ridge, Tenn., show the reactor -- a ball of uranium about five miles in diameter and located at the center of the core -- may have been operating nearly since the formation of the planet.
Current knowledge of the structure of Earth's interior is derived mainly from seismic data and chemical analyses of common meteorites, Herndon continued. Based on that data, scientists estimate about 30 percent of Earth's mass comprises an outer core, he said, which is thought to consist of iron and maybe one or more lighter elements such as sulfur.
Herndon said he received a major insight when he studied a different type of meteorite. Enstatite chondrite meteorites, as they are called, have chemical compositions similar to Earth's interior. Unlike more common meteorites, enstatite chondrite meteorites contain most of their uranium in the part of the meteorite that corresponds to Earth's core.
So, if enstatite chondrite meteorites, have chemical compositions similar to Earth's interior, and contain most of their uranium in the part of the meteorite that corresponds to Earth's core... then they are like little earths, then I guess they're saying they are like little nuclear reactors, they have a strong magnetic filed the could conceivably encompass the island... in the same way they're saying the natural nuclear reactor in the earth is creating the earth's geomagnetic field.
This means we're back to talking about an enstatite chondrite meteorite that fell on the island, was mined (Not sure why?), and then was adapted as a power source.
So, it's not a natural nuclear reactor like Oklo, but it's from a meteorite! And that is probably what the black thing in the wall was... or at least part of it.
If the ball of uranium in the earth is only 5 miles wide, and THAT is enough to provide a strong enough geomagnetic field to sorround the planet, and to provide all of earth's energy, then it wouldn't take much to power the island, or to create a strong EMF found the island.
by: Sneaker123 (1197 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
Note that the magnetic field is still being generated by the movement of Iron in the earth's interior. That movement is generated by the uranium core (per theory). Not sure how that would occur on the island....
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by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Sneaker:Note that the magnetic field is still being generated by the movement of Iron in the earth's interior. That movement is generated by the uranium core (per theory). Not sure how that would occur on the island....
Did you not read the part I highlighted about enstatite chondrite meteorites - which seem to mimic the earth's composite in that respect? enstatite chondrite meteorite lands on the island. Adaptation. Generator was built around/with it... A theory.
Blue:Has Tessla's "ping" been discussed in the thread? I know the Death Ray business has been, but has the word "ping" popped up?
The word "ping" has definitely popped up here and has been discussed... a number of different possibilties... in relation to A's BOOM, PING, plane goes down" clue.
And Tesla and a LOT of Tesla's ideas have been discussed thoroughly here too(much more than just the Death Ray). Not sure what you mean by Tesla's "ping" though - I'll have to go look and see. Maybe it was called something else in what we found, or maybe I'm just forgetting it - there was a lot posted here about Tesla - he had a ton of ideas. I'll check out Marb's thread.
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
blue, I just read this in the first post of Marb's thread and had to smile - I do remember reading about this when I was researching Tesla back in Feb/March. I smiled because I remember reading about that incident where one of his first devices vibrated so violently it was shaking surrounding buildings, etc... I think I read a different account of it, but it was the same incident.
TELEGEODYNAMICS ETC.
I found references to Tesla constructing a vibrating mechanical oscillator with a perfect periodicity that he used to "ping" the Earth; he also tried it out on his laboratory building structure; when it received a return signal of longitudinal (i.e. scalar) seismic or sound wave energy it added a new impulse "ping" to the return, after a few minutes this wave re-enforcement built to such a level that harmonic oscillational forces created local ground earthquakes and/or began to vibrate the target building to pieces. This device was built to provide a mechanical analogy to Tesla's E/M wave research to help Tesla visualise the system dynamics.
Tesla describes taking a sledge hammer to one of his first devices as the only method able to stop the rapid collapse of his laboratory and nearby buildings - which were all vibrating increasingly violently and in sympathy with the mechanical oscillator's seismic wave packets.
From what I recall, he was doing a lot of work with sound waves and resonance at the time, as you can see. " type="#_x0000_t75">Anyway, when I read that account, I remember thinking how funny I thought it was - imagining him freaking out because his experiment was causing a localized earth quake. I don't remember the term "ping" being used at the time - but I think that was before A's BOOM, PING, DOWN clue, so the "ping" wouldn't have popped out to me like it would now.
I'm not sure if this is the "ping" A was referring to or not - but very well could be! Thanks for posting about it here... always good to revisit this stuff and look at it with new eyes, and in light of what we know now, that we didn't know then.
Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 10
by: Sneaker123 (1197 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
Sneaker:Note that the magnetic field is still being generated by the movement of Iron in the earth's interior. That movement is generated by the uranium core (per theory). Not sure how that would occur on the island....
Did you not read the part I highlighted about enstatite chondrite meteorites - which seem to mimic the earth's composite in that respect? enstatite chondrite meteorite lands on the island. Adaptation. Generator was built around/with it... A theory.
Blue:Has Tessla's "ping" been discussed in the thread? I know the Death Ray business has been, but has the word "ping" popped up?
The word "ping" has definitely popped up here and has been discussed... a number of different possibilties... in relation to A's BOOM, PING, plane goes down" clue.
And Tesla and a LOT of Tesla's ideas have been discussed thoroughly here too(much more than just the Death Ray). Not sure what you mean by Tesla's "ping" though - I'll have to go look and see. Maybe it was called something else in what we found, or maybe I'm just forgetting it - there was a lot posted here about Tesla - he had a ton of ideas. I'll check out Marb's thread.
YES I DID (easy on the lunging there). I also read the article carefully. They point out the magnetic field around the earth is from the movement of iron, generated by the reactor core. Where is the molten iron around this meteor? And is it 5 miles in diameter?
You're correct in pointing out it's a theory. I think the Helium Isotope evidence from Hawaii is VERY persuading. Kinda makes one nervous thinking there's an atomic bomb going on below our feet.
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Sneaker: YES I DID (easy on the lunging there).
LOL! Wow - "lunging"? Are you talking about me, or yourself?? You're the one yelling - with your caps. LOL " type="#_x0000_t75">
No worries. I just wanted to make sure you read the part about the meteorite, not just the part about the earth - which wasn't clear to me from your previous post. I meant no offense.
I also never said the meteor was 5 miles in diameter, or even had to be. Actually, what I said was, it wouldn't need to be 5 miles in diameter - like the one in the earth that they think might be creating the earth's geomagnetic field, etc. We're only talking about something that would need to be big enough to power an island, and create a magnetic field around an island, not the earth.
And I haven't seen the meteor, so I couldn't tell you where the molten iron is around it, or even if it's there. I'm just trying to stay open minded, and offer some thoughts - some thoughts that have actually gotten some rather favorable response from A friend.
I do appreciate your critical thinking though. I can't tell you EXACTLY how it would all work - I'm just sharing some ideas - like everyone else. " type="#_x0000_t75">
Or, as One used to say, just mumbling in the corner, like everyone else here. " type="#_x0000_t75">
Post on! " type="#_x0000_t75">
p.s.
Sneaker:You're correct in pointing out it's a theory.
Just to clarify, I meant that my thought that an enstatite chondrite meteorite might have landed on the islaned might have been adapted as a nuclear geotheormal generator is just a theory... like anyone else's ideas about what's going on on the island. " type="#_x0000_t75">I definitely believe a meteor hit the island though... that was the BOOM. And I'm still liking the above theory. " type="#_x0000_t75">
Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 10
by: Sneaker123 (1197 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
Thanks - here- have an olive branch (sorry about the sand-- I was trying to use it with someONE else earlier, and it didn't work). Frankly, I'm a bit spent bending over backwards without progress. Not here--- elsewhere.
As for CAPS: I WANNA KNOW WHAT's BEHIND THAT WALL!!
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I positively cannot wait until those last 5 minutes Wed night.
I'm off to read more Adventures of FLysail. Pretty fun stuff (I don't think she ever liked Boone), and Danielle sure gets front billing (if they'd just let her finish!!). And when does Pierre show up on the island? OOpps! Confusing alternate realities again.
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Boone:I'm off to read more Adventures of FLysail. Pretty fun stuff (I don't think she ever liked Boone), and Danielle sure gets front billing (if they'd just let her finish!!). And when does Pierre show up on the island? OOpps! Confusing alternate realities again.
Yes, the story is hoot, isn't it? And I agree about Boone... she does pick on him quite a bit! Poor Boone! I have to say though, rewatching season 1 on DVDs... one after the other... you really DO see what a lost puppy he was. Always wanting to do something important and big, but always missing the mark.
Well, glad you're enjoying the read. Sipping any cat poo coffee lately? Ew. " type="#_x0000_t75">
Thanks for the olive branch - though I think there's an olive branch hanging over the doorway to this thread - always there... dependable that way. Peace. " type="#_x0000_t75">
I'm calling it a night too. I can't wait until Wed night either! " type="#_x0000_t75">
Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 10
by: twolfe71a (417 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 17, 2005
Okay, you guys! Now you're really freaking me out. So, theoretically at least, we have nuclear reaction to thank for the Earth's electromagnetic field, and hence for life! This is one of the reasons science is not my forte. Ignorance is bliss!!
Ironic that what may have created the conditions which support life on Earth is capable of killing all that life, isn't it!?
Great research, ME! With my totally unscientific eye, I find your theory quite plausible.
Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 10
by: smidgenklecks (65 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 15, 2005
awcovell: All I can think of, in terms of bad jokes, is Michael, Walt or the nurse in the hospital that gave told Michael the penguin joke, which he then sent to Walt. However, that doesn't make sense when you add it to the question about to whom Desmond's been talking.
Anyone have any ideas, or can you direct me to a place where these questions were answered or discussed?
Good thoughts! Though, Charlie is known to tell some rather corny jokes too. Actully, Claire tells him something along those lines during that very episode. Not that I've ever heard him tell a joke exactly like the snowmany or penguin joke... but he's a possibility.
This one's really been making me wonder a lot too, Desmond and the joke. And I never thought of Charlie before I just read this (Thanks by the way!), but... I mean we don't know when exactly Desmond heard that joke, it could have been only once, it could have been shortly after the crash when Charlie was still on drugs. Remember how he used to leave the camp to look for a quiet place to take his drugs? What if he stumbled somehow over a way to talk to Desmond? Desmond is able to watch the outside of the hatch with his persicope, so he may as well have a way to listen to stuff that happenes outside as well, right? (Air vents, anything one could communicate through?) Charlie since all high probably thought the strange voice he heard was a hallucination, or more likely now with the being clean and all doesn't remember it at all anymore. But he might remember telling the joke once he hears it again. Or once he hears Desmonds voice. Is there any reference, I mean, I am neither American nor British, so I don't know if that is a common joke either there nor there to give us a hint in that direction. Or is it completely made up by the LOST writers? Any clue would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. " type="#_x0000_t75">
Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 10
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
twolfe:This is one of the reasons science is not my forte. Ignorance is bliss!!
Oh, I hear ya, twolfe - I'm completely with you on that one!
Ironic that what may have created the conditions which support life on Earth is capable of killing all that life, isn't it!?
I know exactly what you mean - so much of nature is that way, isn't it? I love the ocean... looking out at it, the fresh briney smell, hearing the waves lap the shore... very peaceful. Yet look how the ocean can kill - tsunamis, hurricanes, storms, and plain old drownings. Same with fire - love lighting some candles around the house, and a camp fire, or fire in a fire place is almost mesmerizingly peaceful - but look how fires out of control can kill.
twolfe:Great research, ME! With my totally unscientific eye, I find your theory quite plausible.
Thanks, twolfe! Maybe that's why it's plausible to me too. " type="#_x0000_t75">
klecks:Is there any reference, I mean, I am neither American nor British, so I don't know if that is a common joke either there nor there to give us a hint in that direction. Or is it completely made up by the LOST writers? Any clue would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
That joke is a common children's joke.
It's interesting that Desmond thinks that whoever his replacement is will know the joke though.
Another time Charlie told a corny joke was after the bees attacked them, when he gave Kate back her shirt and she said it was full of bees, Charlie joked saying "I would have thought Cs". Not the same type of joke, but still.
I wonder in what context Charlie or anyone would have thought to tell a joke about snowmen on a tropical island though. Could it been at the beginning when Sawyer, Charlie, Kate, Sayid, Boone and Shannon went up on top of the mountain, and Sawyer shot the polar bear? Charlie might have thought to tell a snowman joke then.
by: smidgenklecks (65 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 15, 2005
That joke is a common children's joke.
It's interesting that Desmond thinks that whoever his replacement is will know the joke though.
Another time Charlie told a corny joke was after the bees attacked them, when he gave Kate back her shirt and she said it was full of bees, Charlie joked saying "I would have thought Cs". Not the same type of joke, but still.
I wonder in what context Charlie or anyone would have thought to tell a joke about snowmen on a tropical island though. Could it been at the beginning when Sawyer, Charlie, Kate, Sayid, Boone and Shannon went up on top of the mountain, and Sawyer shot the polar bear? Charlie might have thought to tell a snowman joke then.
Thanks a lot ME. (And a little OT, but out of curiousity, since it is a common childrens joke, what is the answer to it?)
While reading your post I had another thought, (since I am still having problems seeing how Charlie and Desmond could have talked to each other). Maybe it's a little too far-fetched but what if Desmond spoke to any of the tailies? They have a radio, they still carry it with them, so it must be of some use for them. Do we know if Desmond had a radio or anything like that down in the hatch? Maybe Ana Lucia is also a corny joke teller.
Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 10
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
klecks: Thanks a lot ME. (And a little OT, but out of curiousity, since it is a common childrens joke, what is the answer to it?)
I think there are a couple of answers, but the one I've heard the most is: "Can you smell carrots?"
klecks:While reading your post I had another thought, (since I am still having problems seeing how Charlie and Desmond could have talked to each other). Maybe it's a little too far-fetched but what if Desmond spoke to any of the tailies? They have a radio, they still carry it with them, so it must be of some use for them. Do we know if Desmond had a radio or anything like that down in the hatch? Maybe Ana Lucia is also a corny joke teller.
Desmond may be hearing conversations through the air vents. He might not realize where they are coming from... might think they are "whispers" too. Other people have thought maybe he's reading thoughts... and I suggested that maybe he's seeing things in his dreams. Look at how other people have hallucinated when they're even NEAR the area of the hatch - and there Desmond is, right inside it.
I'm not sure if any of these are the answer or not.
by: smidgenklecks (65 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 15, 2005
Seeing things in his dreams, interesting. I like the idea. Would also mean that he knows that some of the things he does see are real, otherwise there would have been no sense in asking: Are you him? when he saw Locke. (Because even though he spent a lot of time down there I refuse to think even for a second that he is just kinda nuts. " type="#_x0000_t75">) I hope he'll be back with some answers soon... okay, I know we're at LOST here so I better say "clues" instead of "answers" " type="#_x0000_t75">
PS: But he was pretty quickly convinced that Locke wasn't him after Locke admitted he didn't know about the joke, so the joke must be very significant to the entire "Him" and doesn't seem just like a casual conversation piece... hm, so confusing. How old is that joke, do you know that? And it was never said who "Him" was actually supposed to be, was it? I mean, whether he actually meant his replacement or someone completely else. (I'm sorry if all this has already been discussed here.) I'm lost again... :::sigh:::
Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 10
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
klecks: PS: But he was pretty quickly convinced that Locke wasn't him after Locke admitted he didn't know about the joke, so the joke must be very significant to the entire "Him" and doesn't seem just like a casual conversation piece... hm, so confusing. How old is that joke, do you know that?
Can't help you with that one - I have no idea how old it is. What I find puzzling is, if it's a popular children's joke, then a lot of people might have known the answer. Oh, and just to clarify to you - I didn't hear that joke when I was a child, nor did I know the answer when it was first said on the show, but many others did, and it's all over the internet (well, NOW it especially is, since the joke was on Lost). But, unless he was looking for a unqiue answer that wasn't necessarily the answer to the joke, as a secret "code", then it seems a lot of people could have answered that joke correctly and Des would have thought any of those people were "Him". Know what I mean? So, maybe the answer he was looking for is not the expected joke answer, or maybe Desmond is really off base in his assumption that "Him" would have the answer to the joke.
Hey, maybe the joke was in the Orientation film, but it was one of the parts that was conventiently cut out, or worn out, for some reason? Did Des watch certain parts repeatedly so he didn't forget?
klecks:And it was never said who "Him" was actually supposed to be, was it? I mean, whether he actually meant his replacement or someone completely else. (I'm sorry if all this has already been discussed here.)
You're right - we don't know for sure that "Him" was supposed to be his replacement, but it does make a lot of sense, doesn't it? I mean, someone he's waiting for, but someone he doesn't know?
by: Sneaker123 (1197 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
The riddle could have been just a first quesion. If Locke got it right, then Desmond would have asked him another, or given him the counter passphrase.
Answers I've heard are:
"Do you smell carrots?"
"Freeze!!"
It's so weird, but I keep getting this image of Hurley asking that riddle and giving someone the "freeze" answer, and it's in an airport somewhere.... I double checked the deleted scenes and nothing there. It's gonna surface again sometime....
Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 10
by: LostinBlue (2462 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
The riddle could have been just a first quesion. If Locke got it right, then Desmond would have asked him another, or given him the counter passphrase.
Answers I've heard are:
"Do you smell carrots?"
"Freeze!!"
It's so weird, but I keep getting this image of Hurley asking that riddle and giving someone the "freeze" answer, and it's in an airport somewhere.... I double checked the deleted scenes and nothing there. It's gonna surface again sometime....
I was reading the Fuselage threaded board and there are so many people over there that swear that they remember a scene with Hurley telling the joke.
No one has found it but one poster wrote that it may have been on one of those entertainment news behind the scenes type shows.
Of course, there is such a thing a false memories... " type="#_x0000_t75">
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Blue:Of course, there is such a thing a false memories...
Exactly!
Ok, so with all the threads cataloging games on Lost, book references on Lost, numbers on Lost... there isn't one that catalogs all the jokes said on Lost? Clearly the diehard fans have been slacking off! " type="#_x0000_t75">j/k!
Well, a thread listing all the jokes said on Lost WOULD come in handy now - if we knew what the joke was, and who said it. " type="#_x0000_t75">
Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 10
by: Sneaker123 (1197 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
But A did ask who has Desmond been speaking to, regarding the joke.
I believe A suggested we look for someone who likes corny jokes. It might be easier to eliminate folks:
Folks who don't know it or unlikely:
Locke Kate (she's a bit too serious and she was there-- had her chance) Jack (little sense of humor) Jin Rose Sun (learned it in English class?) Sayid (not a lot of humor there)
Presuming the teller must be "HIM" we eliminate:
Claire Danielle Shannon Boone (I mean a REAL him " type="#_x0000_t75">) A-L Libby Cindy
That leaves:
Walt Michael Sawyer Charlie Hurley Mr. Eko Bernard
Which of these folks might have had communication with Desmond and how? I think we could eliminate Michael and Charlie and possibly Hurley since they'd most probably tell someone else about it. Hurley MIGHT not have if he remains sensitive about accusations of insanity.
I added the Tailies for completeness mainly, but I seriously doubt they'd have the opportunity unless there is some kind of inter-hatch communication. Bernard does not seem the joking type, and I think Desmond would recognize the "Eko" accent.
That leaves Walt & Sawyer. I'm not sure about Sawyer-- he's off on his own enough, and HAS heard the voices, so maybe he's talked to Desmond before he left. And Walt-- A's clue kinda suggested the riddler would have a juvenille sense of humor.
by: LostDuckie7 (244 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 17, 2005
I was reading the Fuselage threaded board and there are so many people over there that swear that they remember a scene with Hurley telling the joke.
No one has found it but one poster wrote that it may have been on one of those entertainment news behind the scenes type shows.
Of course, there is such a thing a false memories... " type="#_x0000_t75">
If they did tell that joke it's not in transcripts. I have them all in html files that I downloaded and did a search of all the files in that directory and the only reference to "snowman" or "snoman" was Adrift when Desmond says it.
Unless it was a real spur of the moment thing with any time to arrange something better I would think if this is an exchange to recognize someone the answer would be completely different from what the joke was anyway, that way if anyone gave the joke answer then he would know it isn't 'him'. Something that's not even related to snowman or makes no sense in that context so no one could accidently say or guess.
Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 10
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Sneaker: I believe A suggested we look for someone who likes corny jokes.
Yes, that's right. In relation to Desmond telling the snowman joke... and who might be "Him".
Sneaker: Which of these folks might have had communication with Desmond and how? I think we could eliminate Michael and Charlie and possibly Hurley since they'd most probably tell someone else about it. Hurley MIGHT not have if he remains sensitive about accusations of insanity.
But you're assuming that someone had a verbal conversation with Desmond, and I don't think that's the case at all... at least none of the Losties. So, I don't think you can rule out Michael, Charlie and Hurley. IF Des somehow heard the joke through any of them, I don't think they'd have any idea he was listening. I believe it was all indirect. I don't believe for a minute that any of the Losties had a conversation with Desmond. The fact that Desmond didn't already know Locke wasn't "him" at first sight is one indication, and I don't think Desmond has seen anyone for quite a while. The whole thing certainly IS puzzling!
The other thing is, somehow Desmond got the impression "Him" will have some sort of response to that joke. So something must have given him that impression - not simply hearing someone tell the joke, or seeing the joke in a dream.
Duckie:If they did tell that joke it's not in transcripts.
by: Sneaker123 (1197 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
I was thinking either it's some kind of telepathic or projection communication (we certainly know Walt's tapping into something like that), or something as simple as whispering into an air vent or drainage pipe. There may be something to inter-hatch communication....
Maybe we'll hear it again in one of those missing film pieces.
Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 10
by: lucky4me8 (478 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
I have a feeling that the joke is some sort of coded riddle (it's not the joke we think it is...). As you guys have said, they wouldn't choose something to which many people would know the answer. Or at least be cryptic enough to be tricky, like the riddle of the sphinx or something. Maybe snowman is a code word, even (Falcon and the Snowman kind of thing, involving government secrets). It just doesn't make sense that it would be a corny joke that a lot of people have heard. It must have an alternate, double-entendre answer as well. If you take the corny joke away and just look at the wording, is there anyone that Desmond might have been talking to that makes sense in another context?
Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 10
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Sneaker:I was thinking either it's some kind of telepathic or projection communication (we certainly know Walt's tapping into something like that), or something as simple as whispering into an air vent or drainage pipe. There may be something to inter-hatch communication....
Oh, ok - those were some of the things I thinking too, as I mentioned earlier. I wasn't sure if you were thinking along those lines too though, since you were ruling out Hurley and Charlie because you said they probably would have told someone they had talked to Desmond if they had been the ones... which sounds like you were picturing them actual having a conscious conversation with Desmond. But it sounds like we're on the same page. " type="#_x0000_t75">
Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 10
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
cap: This might be proof that someone has been restocking the bunker.
There is an Oprah mag from 2003 on Des' bookshelf.
Hmmmm... interesting thought. I had noticed that magazine on the shelf already, and and had noticed the date, but my thought is that it was found on the island in wreckage that arrived after Desmond was there. I still think it might be very possible that Ethan was really Kelvin, and had been coming and going from the hatch - and that is how Boone got the candy bar. He might have found the magazine in the wreckage and took it back to the hatch (or found it in the wreckage of some other craft that wrecked on the island)...
Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 10
by: captainaeon (1109 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004
Hmmmm... interesting thought. I had noticed that magazine on the shelf already, and and had noticed the date, but my thought is that it was found on the island in wreckage that arrived after Desmond was there.
Maybe it was Shannon's--
Another Oprah magazine (July 2001) from the promo pics of H&M--
by: lostintexasusa (20 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 01, 2005
I was not familiar with the joke either but according to internet searches of sites unrelated to Lost, the answer is: "Do you smell carrots?" Anyhow, A asked:
How has Desmond been talking to someone who tells corny jokes and what has he been saying to Desmond? Yes, he did tell you enough to know. Don?t listen to our survivors. Listen to Desmond. What has the voice out there been telling him?
I may be oversimplifying this but let's assume for a minute that Desmond has not been listening/talking etc...to someone via the airducts or had any interaction whatsoever with the survivors until the hatch was opened. The only other languange or "communication" that I can think of that has occured within the hatch is Desmond's prior conversations with Kelvin, the lyrics on the records he plays and dialouge contained in the Darma tapes. My current theory is that the Snowman Joke was given to Desmond by Kelvin as the "clearance code" that would be given by the 'replacement' if and when one ever came. Another possibility is that Desmond learned of this "clearance code" by watching a Dharma video that we have not seen yet or maybe it was contained in one of the "missing" portions of the Orientation Video.
by: smidgenklecks (65 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 15, 2005
Anyhow, A asked:
How has Desmond been talking to someone who tells corny jokes and what has he been saying to Desmond? Yes, he did tell you enough to know. Don?t listen to our survivors. Listen to Desmond. What has the voice out there been telling him?
In A's question it does sound to me as if he actually has been talking to someone, not just listening, I mean she actually uses the word "talking", right? Now I have no idea how he could have done that (still thinking about the air vents, and also about the possibility that all the hatches might be somehow connected) but what sticks out of A's question is that she says "Don't listen to our survivors". So... what if none of our survivers have anything to do with the joke at all? Since it is a childrens joke, what if he talked to any possible children? Not Walt, but other children. The one with the poor teddy bear or others among that group in the jungle ? It's never been said when that conversation about the joke took place. It could have been not just recently. It could have been before those kids became so silent and kinda creepy... And kids can be so imaginative and funny, maybe they gave Desmond an answer that was different from the common joke answers about carrots and freezing. I mean, when we just assume there might have been kids maybe in the tailies hatch... kids that get easily bored (before all the terrible things happened that we still don't know about from the tailies group)and snoop around in the hatch, find an air vent (or whatever) and also a voice coming through it, I think it could be possible that they'd tell a joke...
Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 10
by: EvaNica (172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 05, 2005
Holy cow, part 10?? With 3 pages already? Have I been gone that long??
My thoughts on who Desmond has been talking to are twofold. The first part of my analysis is as follows:
Whoever it is has told him that:
1. People are dying; getting ill 2. There is some kind of world-threatening menace out there
The following people know about the disease:
1. Danielle 2. Sayid 3. Tailies?? Desmond asks how many in the group have gotten ill, as in sick, as in dead. This might be the case for the tailies, who seem to have been dying off over the last 44 days; I guess we'll see on Weds. if this fits or not. 4. Anybody else? Who else did Danielle or Sayid tell about the "sickness"
Furthermore, Danielle was reluctant to leave the island because it might represent some sort of threat on the world - but I think this is my interpretation of her story, and not fact.
My guess is that Desmond has been talking either: a) A tailie, if they have been stricken by the disease, or b) Danielle or someone she has spoken to at length who is relaying her info back to Desmond.
We might also be overlooking the fact that perhaps Desmond has a way to communicate with someone who isn't on the island. Someone from Dharma? Someone who wouldn't be interested in rescuing him.
by: EvaNica (172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 05, 2005
Desmond expressed surprised at two statements:
1) That there had been a plane crash on the islands 44 days ago; his surprise seemed to be more at the 44 days part than at the plane crash part.
2) That the airplane was traveling from Sidney to Los Angeles (So the world's still out there!)
Putting there two together, I've come to the following conclusion:
Something or someone has led Desmond to believe that the world is in some kind of danger, and that there was a fairly big chance there was nothing left of the world he once knew anymore. The fact that Locke told him an airplane was traveling from Sidney to LA as recently as 44 days ago in his mind has made it clear that he was wrong about the world having been destroyed.
He could have come to the conclusion that the world had been distroyed one of three ways:
1) Someone he was talking to suspected as much, and has therefore been on the island longer that 44 days (Danielle, perhaps).
2) Someone was purposely misleading him, making him believe the world had been destroyed.
3) He came to that conclusion on his own because he had learned about some threat to the world, AND the replacement/food/communication stopped coming, so he believed it was because the worst had happened.
By the way, I was just rewatching Adrift, and did you guys notice how well the Dharma jumpsuit fit Desmond? If he wasn't originally involved in the Dharma initiative, why would he have a jumpsuit that fits him so well? Yes, he could be borrowing Kelvin's or Kelvin's partner's, but in that case, chances are they are a different size/height than he is, so why does he have one that fits?? It's a one piece jumpsuit, they're not one size fits all!
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by: Sneaker123 (1197 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
3) He came to that conclusion on his own because he had learned about some threat to the world, AND the replacement/food/communication stopped coming, so he believed it was because the worst had happened.
That gets my vote.
Another thing that I was wondering: A asked us why they'd need such a large assortment of weapons in the hatch. I thought maybe the Swan hatch served as a power plant center for the whole project and therefore required extra security. But I'm wondering now if maybe the experiment was on the occupants to see how long they could go doing the button protocol before they'd wig out. And someone designing the experiment said: "...and just for fun, let's have them both sitting on top of this huge cache of weapons...."
Maybe that's the test/control: One hatch has the weapons and the other does not. Certainly needs more evidence.
by: EvaNica (172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 05, 2005
Sneaker - what do you think about the jumpsuit? The more I think about it, the more I think it's relevant. I rewatched bits of Orientation, and in the scene where Desmond runs and Jack tries to catch him, you can see the jumpsuit is also the right length.
This might be a relevant, albeit small, clue as to why Desmond is really on the island.
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The rest don't make sense to me in that context. An it may be most valuable to note that both most likely candidates start with the syllable "IN-", so if we get some extra footage to sort out, the one that ends in "IN" probably goes in front of the "-duction".
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
klecks:In A's question it does sound to me as if he actually has been talking to someone, not just listening, I mean she actually uses the word "talking", right?
But then she ends by saying: "What has the voice out there been telling him?"
Which implies just a "voice"... and a voice "out there". So, I guess it could be either at this point.
lostintexas: or maybe it was contained in one of the "missing" portions of the Orientation Video.
I posted that same idea here earlier yesterday. I think it's a possibility, though it doesn't really fit A's clue.
by: Sneaker123 (1197 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
Sneaker - what do you think about the jumpsuit? The more I think about it, the more I think it's relevant. I rewatched bits of Orientation, and in the scene where Desmond runs and Jack tries to catch him, you can see the jumpsuit is also the right length.
This might be a relevant, albeit small, clue as to why Desmond is really on the island.
I agree it looks to be a custom fit. There is that door to the right as you enter the Gun-room. Perhaps that leads to additional storage with assorted uniforms. But there is no confirmation that they've searched it. It's either locked, empty, or as yet unintroduced (Hey! Is that another word I missed for the -duction list?).
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by: EvaNica (172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 05, 2005
It's definitely possible they had a stock of spare uniforms at the hatch, or that Kelvin and Desmond were the same size, but consider this:
I'm kind of short for US and European standards, right? 5'4" versus the average in the US which is 5'7". Whenever I try on a pair of pants in my size, I almost certainly have to have them hemmed - unless the store I go into has a "height and length" size system, sort of like The Gap or Levi's do with their jeans. The thing is though, since The Gap does that, they have to have a HUGE stock of jeans to cover all the combinations and permutations of waist sizes and lengths (30 waist 30 length, 30 waist 32 length, 30 waist 34 length, 32 waist 30 length, so on and so forth).
Now add to that the fact that this is a one-piece jumpsuit. You need a lot more measurements than just waist size and length. The bottom part of the jumpsuit might fit, but the top might not be "long enough" for your torso, or too long, or too loose, or too tight....
So, I'm thinking, either the Lost costume designers made a boo boo, OR Desmond's jumpsuit was made specifically for him.
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by: ELMIRAGE (111 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 08, 2004
hi all, I think we need to rule out conversations thru air vents or drain pipes. the hatch was sealed from the outside environment, it has an air lock enterance. there would be no air vents or pipes leading to the open air. it is self contained. just my oberservation. EL
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Eva:
2) Someone was purposely misleading him, making him believe the world had been destroyed.
3) He came to that conclusion on his own because he had learned about some threat to the world, AND the replacement/food/communication stopped coming, so he believed it was because the worst had happened.
I've been thinking it could be either of these two (and even the first one, actually). There are still so many possilibities at this point - it's hard to narrow it down too much. But it's good to be listing them out.
Eva:So, I'm thinking, either the Lost costume designers made a boo boo, OR Desmond's jumpsuit was made specifically for him.
Or maybe they thought it would be too distracting and difficult for the actor to run and do the acting they expected him to do while wearing a jumpsuit too big or too small, and they didn't think the audience would be so nit-picky as to focus in on how well his suit fit(though they should know better by now!). " type="#_x0000_t75">
OR, keep in mind that the plan was to have two different replacements in every 540 days for who knows how long. That's 2 new human beings every 540 days - so I'd THINK they'd maybe have a wide variety of sizes, to increase likelihood they'd fit whoever the current two might be.
Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 10
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Speaking of communicating without talking, or without hearing through vents or drain pipes...
Did anyone notice that when Rose was hanging out her laundry on the beach in EHH, she was humming the song "Cool Conversation" - same song that was playing in Hurley's dream at the start of the show?
I'm telling you - I'm liking my thought that Desmond might have "received" the snowman joke and other info via dreams, or by reading someone's thoughts, whether he realizes that's what was happening or not.
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
klecks:Since it is a childrens joke, what if he talked to any possible children? Not Walt, but other children. The one with the poor teddy bear or others among that group in the jungle ? It's never been said when that conversation about the joke took place. It could have been not just recently. It could have been before those kids became so silent and kinda creepy... And kids can be so imaginative and funny, maybe they gave Desmond an answer that was different from the common joke answers about carrots and freezing.
I do think the joke might have been from kids - though A. gave her clue before we ever knew there were kids, and technically, aside from the teddy bear, and all the kiddie items we've seen through season 1 (the kiddie sunglasses Sawyer was wearing when Hurley asked him for the manifest, the kids' white sneaker hanging, the children's books), we still don't know for sure there are still any other kids... yet. I guess I thought A. sounded like the voice Des had been hearing "out there" was one we'd know, but that might have been just my interpretation of it.
However, if he did hear from other kids on the island, I don't think he had a conversation with them - not face to face - but either in a dream, or read their thoughts.
Here's a thought:
A lot of kids have a secret "code" arrangement with their parents so that if anyone ever comes to them and says their parents asked them to pick them up, they person would have to know the "secret code", so the kids would know they are legit. Des might have "heard", via thoughts, or dream, the kids saying that they know that whoever is sent to get them will know the secret answer to that joke... though it wouldn't have the regular answer, but a secret code answer that only those kids and their parents (and whoever their parents might send) would know.
Eva, I like how you've broken down what we know, and have listed out possible answers.
Sneaker, thanks for the "duction" list. Can you post the whole sentence that Candle is saying? I forget exactly how it goes, to think about which might fit. I know it's about entering in the numbers though, correct?
by: Sneaker123 (1197 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
Speaking of communicating without talking, or without hearing through vents or drain pipes...
Did anyone notice that when Rose was hanging out her laundry on the beach in EHH, she was humming the song "Cool Conversation" - same song that was playing in Hurley's dream at the start of the show?
I'm telling you - I'm liking my thought that Desmond might have "received" the snowman joke and other info via dreams, or by reading someone's thoughts, whether he realizes that's what was happening or not.
Given that Walt's making some para-normal appearances, I'd say there are LOT's of alternative means of communicating on this island. Although if Walt appeared to Desmond like he did to Shannon, Desmond's gotta be wondering:
"How'd a short, wet, black kid turn into an old bald guy...?"
I think we can rule out visible communication. I'd almost buy the riddle/password being on one of those missing film bits, but for A's reference to Desmond "talking" to someone. I hope he isn't one of those folks that like to yell at the screen during the movie:
"Hey Candel!! What happened to your arm!?!"
"Hey DeGroot! How'd an ugly toad like you land a hot babe like Karen?"
"It's a RED BALL!!!"
---"Excuse me! SOME of us are TRYING to watch the film! Please be quiet!"
"Sorry brutha, I canna help myself sometimes, yea.... The film is TALKIN' to me..."
--"Freak!" (nice jump suit, though...)
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by: Sneaker123 (1197 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
Sneaker, thanks for the "duction" list. Can you post the whole sentence that Candle is saying? I forget exactly how it goes, to think about which might fit. I know it's about entering in the numbers though, correct?
Candle walks over to the minidome, and points inside-- camera switches to closeup of model. Audio goes:
"...into the microcomputer processor" / break - scene switches suddenly from model closeup to Candle standing behind model/ "-duction into the program. " /overlapping fade from Candle standing to Candle closeup/ "When the alarm sounds...."
I note that there is definitely a break between "microcomputer processor" and "-duction" but there is an intentional fade between Dr. Candle saying "...into the program." and "When the alarm sounds...." So the only break in this section preceeds "-duction".
by: Sneaker123 (1197 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
But what comes before "into the microcomputer processor"? Nothing? If so, then that's an indication of a break too.
Sneaker:I think we can rule out visible communication.
I agree (as you all know). " type="#_x0000_t75">
No- that's not a break-- I just did not include all the info. The only place where there might be a break before then is after he talks about the incident and before he starts to move toward the model.
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by: Sneaker123 (1197 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
I'd join in, but I'm lost! What conversations?
From Adawhen's comments about where Desmond "heard" the Snowman riddle. What kind of communication did he have that gave him that riddle to use as some kind of verification that Locke was "him"?
We discussed a doubtful air vent/water drain conversation with some Lostie; a possible electronic communication with another hatch; or even some dream/illusion/whispering.
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by: mmecoquenard (725 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 29, 2005
Thanks Sneaker!
There are clues to who he's been talking to and how in the hatch, but they aren't obvious. In a few eppies here, you get some Desmond action, and a little more information!
Probably the biggest clue on this, though, will come from an unexpected source who you haven't related to the hatch yet.
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by: iris45nc (253 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 15, 2005
From Adawhen's comments about where Desmond "heard" the Snowman riddle. What kind of communication did he have that gave him that riddle to use as some kind of verification that Locke was "him"?
We discussed a doubtful air vent/water drain conversation with some Lostie; a possible electronic communication with another hatch; or even some dream/illusion/whispering.
Although it doesn't explain how they communicated, it might explain who Desmond communicated with. Go to this web site and scroll all the way down. There are side by side comparisons of the Mural and Walts art plus the mural and Claire's boyfriends art. If indeed Desmond made the mural..or even if Walt or Claire's boyfriend made the mural or a combination thereof....it at least shows a connection http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~andorfc/iowa_mural.html
I know this has been discussed earlier but I thought it appropriate here. Thanks
by: MEandthesea (1138 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Sneaker: No- that's not a break-- I just did not include all the info. The only place where there might be a break before then is after he talks about the incident and before he starts to move toward the model.
Oh, ok. But I has sked if you could post the whole sentence/statement was... not just the breaks... in order to see the whole thing in context... to help dertermine which "duction" might fit. Would you mind including the entire sentence? That would be a big help. Thanks!
mme: There are clues to who he's been talking to and how in the hatch, but they aren't obvious. In a few eppies here, you get some Desmond action, and a little more information!
Happy Sunday, mme! So glad you could join us! The following is exactly what Ada " type="#_x0000_t75">asked us about how Desmond has been listening to someone else out there:
How has Desmond been talking to someone who tells corny jokes and what has he been saying to Desmond? Yes, he did tell you enough to know. Don?t listen to our survivors. Listen to Desmond. What has the voice out there been telling him?
So, since she said Des told us enough to know, we've been trying to figure it out. However, it's good to know it's not that obvious... and that we'll a little more info in the epi's ahead.
I also just realized that she never asked us who tells corny jokes, or WHO is talking to Des... but how he's hearing it, and what the person is telling him. I'm guessing it could even be more than one person.
I personally don't think he's been actually having a conversation with anyone - but had heard someone, or people.
mme, any new ideas and thoughts for us to think about, look into, or talk about?
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