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(Date Posted:10/11/2005 11:49:55)
As noted by Desmond in the Season 2 finale - The plane crashed on September 22nd, 2004. Below is the discussion that took place prior to that announcement. We did have it narrowed down to no later than September 2004, but no earlier than November 2003.
"It's important to note," Lindelof says, "that we've never said when the plane crashed. I think the assumption is that it happened in 2004 when the show premiered, but we've never said that."
As noted by me - Jack uses his father's "Redsox will never win the world series" line as if it was still true - since they won it at the end of 2004, that puts the crash between 2003 and 2004.
So, they can't be in the future (for them it would still be sometime between harvest time in 2003 and World Series time in 2004)... It could be earlier than 23, September 2004 (date the pilot aired), but not by more than 1 year.... It is probably closer to late 2003 or early 2004 vice the 23, September air date. When we get to Christmas on the island, then we will know what date, but may be off by 1 year on the year.
LATE ADDITION: The crash happened after November 2003 and before September 2004. Since a couple of months have elapsed on the island, and there hasn't been any holiday observances, I would place the crash as sometime in 2004 before September. Supporting documentation for this is provided in the discussion below.
Accepting the possibility that the show might be taking place in 2009, is it possible the Red Sox comment is a form of sarcasm? Here's the actual comment:
CHRISTIAN SHEPHARD: But don't beat yourself up about it. (Sawyer fills the glass up again.) It's fate. Some people are just supposed to suffer. That's why the Red Sox will never win the damn series. (Sawyer looks at him as he drinks. He waits for him to explain. Sawyer fills his own glass.)
Maybe he's telling him something to the effect of "You never know, anything can happen." Note the script says Sawyer waits for him to explain, implying he is confused. Maybe it's because the Red Sox DID win the damn series ... way back in 2004?
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(Date Posted:10/20/2005 17:56:23)
I am not willing to give that much credit to any "clues" that are found outside of what has actually aired.
Remeber the silly monster on the script page?
Waiting for Christmas will take years, since they are only showing about 6 weeks per season, so if it was not in Sep.....we may not ever see Christmas on the island, but if it was, someone should be bringing up Thanksgiving this season.
I don't like the idea of it being in the future...it doesn't match up with what we have seen and been told so far, and if they change gears that direction, I will be upset. There was an article/interview early in season one where it was said by someone on the crew that one of the hardest things about the set and continuity of the filming and the story, was making sure that they stuck to the time. She said that it was also hard getting enough clothing for the cast, because they could not have any clothing that has been made since the date of the crash. I hope that's enough to jog the memory of anyone else that saw it. If the crash date is now set in the future, we will start seeing things like clothing, and hearing references that will have happened after 2004. So far, that has not happened.
All good points. Thanks for bringing me back to reality (Oops, there goes gravity! [EMOTE]smiley-smile.gif[/EMOTE]). You are no doubt correct. I guess ya never know with these guys, but I strongly suspect it is just another red herring put out by the uber-diabolical folks who create this cursed show! As an avid TV watcher, I can't really remember being this fascinated by a series and just hope they've got some really fantastic explanation for everything.
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(Date Posted:10/20/2005 21:19:48)
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Most of the red herrings have been posted on sites that are not from the creators of the show, but the networks...that was the reason that I have dismissed the majorty of it as marketing and have found it easy to ignore them.
Brax-
While I had already figured that it would be season 3 before the subject of Christmas came up, I had not thought about the other holidays yet till this post. I do not remember any reference to a particular month when we found out that it was Claire's birthday.....but we do know that Walt's birthday is late Aug (and I think there was a "same as mine" in there to indicate that it was Michaels's too) Now in one of the very early episodes , when asked how old Walt was, Michael says "9 (short pause) 10, he's 10" I do thid right after a birthday of someone that I don't spend time with often or of someone like my brother if he has just recently had a birthday....so from that point on I had assumed that the crash was not too long after late Aug since Michael had to correct himself on Walt's age like it had just recently changed.
I also want to make a further observation on the year, (and keeping in mind the interview I had seen) I had already known that the crash could not have been in the past because of the clothing of the survivors, but to narrow it down a little more....I keep dwelling on the itty bitty skirts of Shannon in the begining. I do not recall that particular styl being worn before the summer of 2004, when they suddenly were everywhere. Figuring that Shannon was the type of girl to keep up with all of the trends in fashion, I highly doubt that she would have been wearing the skirt in the future......lol I could so see her in her closet before the trip wondering why she still had that old skirt, because "it's soooo '04" and not wearing it.
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(Date Posted:10/21/2005 06:41:33)
Kwich, thank you for bringing me back to reality (who would have thunk it - me straying away from reality)....
The timeline of Jin's FB in ...and Found are a bit confusing to me (hence my added comments to my original posting)... The whole thing with the resume and it's interpretation that Jin was born in 74 and is 30 at the time of the resume throws everything out of whack.... Now, it could just be the interpretation that is misleading me, but then I watched the rest of the FB trying to see if I could spot anything that looked out of place.... The only thing that looked strange to me for a FB that was say 4 years ago (island time) was the flip phone the orange dress girl was carrying. My old brain says "how common are flip phones in 2000 Korea?" So, I guess if someone can tell me that they were at least used by the wealthy at that time in that place, then I will feel better... (note: it was a pretty large flip phone)
The other thing I noticed, is that all the other FBs that seem to be just before the crash don't appear to contain anything that was post 2004.. The airport had nothing out of place, Walt's game was not tied directly to his brain, etc....
Kwich, thank you for bringing me back to reality (who would have thunk it - me straying away from reality)....The timeline of Jin's FB in...and Foundare a bit confusing to me (hence my added comments to my original posting)... The whole thing with the resume and it's interpretation that Jin was born in 74 and is 30 at the time of the resume throws everything out of whack.... Now, it could just be the interpretation that is misleading me, but then I watched the rest of the FB trying to see if I could spot anything that looked out of place.... The only thing that looked strange to me for a FB that was say 4 years ago (island time) was the flip phone the orange dress girl was carrying. My old brain says "how common are flip phones in 2000 Kore
Apparently the resume was not reviewed by the writing staff. This is a post by Javi on The Fuselage after SledgeWeb brought the dates on the prop to his attention:
someone did make a mistake - the contents of the prop were not reviewed by the writing staff before it was filmed. the resume, and the sections relating to jin's birthdate, stats and employment history should not be considered canonical.
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(Date Posted:10/21/2005 23:28:00)
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Excellent! Thank you for passing that along about the resume not being proof read, we figured that something had to have been off with it, or the translation because it didn't seem to fit.
Brax-
As far back as 10 years ago, over 75% of Switzerland's phones were not land-line based. In the same show that was talking about it, the pointed out that it was so cool that the phones "flipped" open just like the communicators on Star Trek. I would not have remembered this had they not added that part. It is my understanding that the US is far behind other industrial countries in their telecomunications and acceptance of new technologies surrounding them. I find it completely beliveable that there would have been a flip phone in an asian country 4 or 5 years ago.
by: pssrailguy (631 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 30, 2005
Here's soemthing interesting from the Fuselage site:
From archetype2: Hi, Javi -- happy holidays and my best to you and yours.
Here's my question. I have read comments by some in the creative team suggesting that perhaps, notwithstanding the assumptions of viewers in this regard, the plane did not crash in '04, but rather in a substantially earlier or later year.
From Javi: i am not sure what comments from the creative team you are referring to so i don't feel free to make an informed statement - i do know they didn't crash after september 2004!
by: Sindatur (1562 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 19, 2004
Here's soemthing interesting from the Fuselage site:
From archetype2: Hi, Javi -- happy holidays and my best to you and yours.
Here's my question. I have read comments by some in the creative team suggesting that perhaps, notwithstanding the assumptions of viewers in this regard, the plane did not crash in '04, but rather in a substantially earlier or later year.
From Javi: i am not sure what comments from the creative team you are referring to so i don't feel free to make an informed statement - i do know they didn't crash after september 2004!
thanks -
ja vi
So, 2009 is out, then. It's either Sept 2004 afterall or earlier, and can't be a whole lot earlier because "that fish movie" hit theaters in the US May 30, 2003, and the Collector's Edition DVD hit stores November 4, 2003.
So, it should be sometime between November 4, 2003 and Sept 2004, I think.
Crash Date Info from Javi!
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