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Adawhen
Ada, we want to know what lecture is tomorrow? Posted:ST1Jan 30, 2005/ST108:22 PM?
Betrayal of the man you love. Series of tasks to be forgiven. Even the trials are the same. Match it up task for task, and you see the pattern. If you know your mythology, then this is Kate: Journey of a Modern Psyche. What we know of Kate is that she killed the man she loved, probably a self-blame that has little foundation, or a misdirected foundation. Psyche and her sisters. After Cupid leaves her, swearing that she will never see him again, Psyche undertakes a mission to simply be able to view him one more time. Not speak to him, not win him back, but to view him unseen from a distance. The toy plane, to Kate, a silent symbol of lost love. Uncaring that she is destroying the thing that had made her beautiful and worthy of the love of a god, Psyche destroys her looks to regain the one moment. Kate destroys the thing that the man she loved, loved. Psyche's efforts bring her to culminated circumspection and redemption because of the extremity of her efforts. Kate is finding redemption through her new life on the island. After the betrayal, Psyche, in the original myths, is given the choice of continuing her life without Cupid, but unharmed. She refuses this choice and seeks him out. The tasks destroy her only power, her beauty, which she states as just as well because it was the thing that lost her the man she loved. She throws away her beauty to regain the thing that she lost, a view of the man she loved. The view, the thing that she threw his trust away for, becomes everything. Kate, having killed the man she loves, destroys her virtue, her honor, her sense of being. She becomes what she feels his death made her: a monster; without a soul. She used this persona to regain the only thing left of him and a time when he loved her, a toy plane. The toy becomes everything. No, there is no chance of restoration. The tasks are undertaken for a view and nothing else. Later myths suggest more, but earliest forms of this tale state that there was NO chance of profit. Psyche simply wanted to look, unseen, one last time at the face of the person she loved. She understood that it was a single moment, and that it was a no-win situation. She would have lost her beauty for the moment, but it was worth it to her. It proved that her love was true and had meaning. Even though Cupid would never understand that, she would.Kate understands that she has killed the man she loves. She is beyond the halls of heaven, condemned to Hell for her action. There is no redemption. But the toy plane is her last view of the only thing worthwhile in her life. Even though there is no profit from it, nothing will stop her from regaining it simply because it is her last view of what she once had.Would a woman sell her virtue for that reason? Are you kidding? Women have sold it for far less!Think of someone that you love purely. If it's a boyfriend or girlfriend, lover, wife or husband, that's great. Closer to how Psyche/Kate love would be your child or your parent if you are childless.Think on that relationship for a minute. Think of why you love someone with that deep, fathomless depth. What do they mean in your life?Now kill them. Kill them brutally. Kate doesn't blame herself; she KNOWS she killed the man she loved. No one but her. Whatever happened, in her mind there is NO room for doubt. Took a knife and drove it through that heart until it stopped beating.Kate did it, at least in her own mind.Some of us carve our lives away in pieces of guilt over imagined slights. Kate KNOWS she killed the man she loves. How do you live with that? In Kate's case, as in Psyche's, they don't. They have judged themselves human wreckage. They don't deserve to live. But in the time that they have while sailing adrift, they want one more moment of when they were alive, and more importantly, love was.
Platosbrain Posted:ST1Jan 30, 2005/ST109:10 PMT hen what is the point of it all? If she is beyond hope, why doesn't she just kill herself?
Adawhen Posted:ST1Jan 30, 2005/ST109:21 PM Whoa! Who said she's beyond hope? I never said she's beyond hope!What is the thing that sets man apart from every other creature on the face of the earth? What is it that we do that drives us to invent and create and define and diversify and build and grow and strive and yearn?The much rumored touch of the Divine?We hope. When there is no reason for doing so, we hope. We hope it will get better, we hope that we will love again; we hope that something will change; we hope to see the face of God.We hope.Kate has indeed lost hope, but she wanted to see love one last time. The toy plane. She would have welcomed death before, but hoped to see the plane.Now, on the island, she is beginning to hope for other things. Watch her scenes with Jack, a hero who is also on a journey to hope. He killed his father. Wait until they start comparing personal notes! Talk about your coincidences! Even if the man she loved turns out not to be her father, they have each destroyed the only thing they every truly loved.And now they are on the island. If you watch their scenes, they are fighting an attraction. Why? Neither of these two are virgins, emotionally or physically?Heck, Kate drops trow as soon as any man BUT Jack walks by. Jack practically runs in the opposite direction when ever she gets to close. Why are they avoiding each other? Because they both feel they are unlovable, and I don't mean cuddly. The writers are smart.
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girlsenberry2000 Posted: Jan 30, 200509:23 PM
Everything is forgivable. There's always hope. Kate needs to take a walk down the beach and talk to Rose. Rose knows what she's talking about. She helped Charlie, she can help Kate too. Just had to say that.
lainersss Posted: Jan 30, 200509:24 PM
I think that would be too easy. The pain reminds her of what she has become...makes her feel irredeemable even though in time she will see that she can be redeemed. All is not lost.
pysk1 Posted: Jan 30, 200509:35 PM
I think Kate needs to realize her worth as a person. Right now, she's gathering fruit and keeping everyone from killing Sawyer. But I think, when she finally does something really great, like saving Claire, or something of that magnitude, she will realize that she is not irredeemable. That maybe there is still something worth loving inside of her.
Remember the "from one outcast to another?" Right now she is doing everything she can to act like she's one of the gang, but deep down, she's only acting, because she doesn't believe she is. She worships Jack, you can see it every time they are on screen together. She leans toward him, even, but the only time she actually let herself go, was when she thought he was dead in the cave in. She ran over, and threw herself at him in relief, but as soon as she realized what she was doing, she backed right off. She doesn't believe she is worthy of his love.
girlsenberry2000 Posted: Jan 30, 200509:44 PM
Pysk, I have to tell you. If I asked a guy, "Are you checking me out?" And he said, "No." I think I'd feel a bit awkward too! I'm sorry, but that's just WRONG! Ha ha!
pysk1 Posted: Jan 30, 200509:46 PM
Ahh, but girlie, he said, if I was checking you out, you'd know it. Meaning, I think, that he just might check her out, but not at that moment
girlsenberry2000 Posted: Jan 30, 200509:47 PM
It's still was cold! I don't think he deserves her. That's just me, though.
Adawhen Posted: Jan 30, 200509:54 PM
Girl, that was a VERY revealing moment on Kate.
What you come to realize is that Kate has survived on her looks and her wiles. It is her power over men. It is what has gotten her where she wanted to be and needed to be. And she tried it on Jack, because she feels herself actually vulnerable around him! She can't have that! Kate with emotions? She doesn't need them! She doesn't DESERVE them. And so she tries to put it back on that field that she knows and she's used. And Jack meets her eyes and says "no". He isn't unkind, he's frank. He shows her that she is a person whom he respects, trusts, and in this new life, depends on.
Wow. Poor Kate. Because the last time she had that, she killed him. Whoever he was, she done him in.
Think of the guilt and fear she must have in this moment. And so she runs. Rescue? Nope, she needs to be away from this terrifying new emotion. She flirts with Sawyer because he is every other man that she has manipulated. He wants, she controls, he expects little. And he's not Jack.
Re-watch the last few shows, and watch where the writers are taking Kate. I promise, it is very cool!