by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Moving on to the bike - now, even though it doesn't looks shiney and new... not worn out... i really think it DOES look like an old model.
One thing I noticed right away when they showed the gauge, besides the fact that the needle was pointing at 16, and the guage showed the number 15, was the two checkered racing flags... which are used in auto racing. Racing cars = Mr. Paik.
I found this on ebay - not exact, but very close - it's a Schwinn, and from the 50s - the gauge is very different though - but the shape of the bike is similar to Desmond's (modern excercise bikes are designed much differently):
And in seeing what Wikipedia had to say about exercise/stationary bikes, these two bits of info stood out to me:
Often, exercise bikes have various methods of increasing the resistance to the pedals moving (and thus, the intensity of the exercise), to provide for varied training. These include magnets, fans, and friction mechanisms.
Formerly there existed stationary bikes that used human power to generate electricity. This was the case at early Soviet polar research stations, where they helped to operate radio transmitters in case other power sources failed.
The clean handed person sleeps on the top bunk, washes dishes, works out etc. and the dirty handed one sleeps on the bottom, captures Locke and met Jack in a previous life.
by: jbbrennan (86 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005
There must have been scuffles, back at the caves Locke was stuffing about a billion knives into his belt, wasn't he? You'd think that someone who had three guns on him can take down someone with three knives, but the way Locke was holding his arm, it looked like there'd been a struggle.
by: LostinBlue (2434 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
After looking at turminus's composite of the mural, I'm reposting this with a few additions:
Here is a collection of random observations and other stuff:
-There looks to be a red shirt in the laundry spinning in the dryer.
- The boat people's clothes were very ragged. Desmond's are very clean.
- There is a picture of desert-like scene in Desmond's livingroom.
- There is a Westinghouse symbol on the fuse/control box that Jack notices on the wall of the tunnel.
- One stick figure is upside down.
- The houses in the mural are pentagons.
- There is a star filled sky at the top right of the mural, above the face.
- There are two arrows. A white one that is pointing up and to the left and a red one at the bottom that is pointing "through" the wall.
- "ARM" + "SICK
- Perhaps a black face with a turbin to the left of the woman's face? The islander formally known as Emeke? The woman's face = Danielle?
- The eys in the mural = eyes of the island = Desmond
- In another thread titled "The painting," A posted: I once painted the Sikhote-Alin! Sorry. Couldn't resist." Read about the Sikhote-Alin meteor(ite) here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhote-Alin_Meteorite.
by: lark0016 (204 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 09, 2004
Hey guys
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Anyways, I was thinking about the song, and the painting.
I think this guy Desmond, and whoever lives with him, I think they are really into human nature, and are maybe getting a little obsessed with the Oceanic survivors.
I think the painting was a record of people who land on that island and what they do. I don't have much evidence for this, just that I think the woman in the painting might be Joanna because she appears to be drowning.
The song is what makes me think maybe they are starting to get obsessed with studying them...
There is not much to support this theory, but I thought it was fun to build on anyway... any thoughts?
by: LostinBlue (2434 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
Many have suspected surveillance on the island and now that we have seen Desmond's mirrors and such, perhaps he has more outside of his underground shelter. As some have pointed out, he had to adjust the mirrors to see up through the hatch. The mirrors had previously been focused on something else.
A has told us for a while that the "monster" is a series of events. Something happens and then something else happens. Could the first thing happening be Desmond adjusting his surveillance devices? Or something similar? If Desmond controls the "monster" and the "monster" reacts differently to different people, what does that say about Desmond's relationships or interest in the different people?
The security system definitely has an underground component and Desmond is below with all his gadgets and buttons and a really cool magnet.
by: daviscbls (118 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
The security system definitely has an underground component and Desmond is below with all his gadgets and buttons and a really cool magnet.
When Kate is 'pulled' down the shaft it sounds like a quiet monster and similarly, when Jack is exploring the complex you can hear quiet monster type rumblings.
by: chelle309 (33 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
I still like the idea that the computer beeping meant something had been breached. Like there's some sort of invisible grid guarding certain areas, and if it's crossed, the computer alerts Desmond. He then types in the numbers and the security system takes over.
The tree popping event could be caused by something running along the path of that grid, underneath the ground, which then connects with something above the ground? Hmmm.
If the monster has a magnetic component, maybe it's collecting sound that way, and replaying it in the order in which the events occurred.
I've got brain fog, my thoughts are wandering off.
by: jbbrennan (86 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005
doing housework and wondering...
...why would a person need four or five mirrors AND a telescope to see down a walkway that took Jack about four minutes to walk down?
....why would someone use a telescope to look at the stars through the teeny tiny window in the hatch cover?
...the ladder was broken at the bottom, so the person/people inside broke it, but at some point the hatch was used to go from the control room to the island and back again.
...Danielle claims that she never saw the hatch before, she could be lying but the way she touched it, her expression was more like "darn, this would have made a much better shelter than my dugout." So, it wasn't her team going up and down the ladder.
...there is obviously another way in and out of the domed area, or how were the new appliances brought in?
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
blue: Maybe we can get ME or cac can post outside or inside thread to get Gratewhiner's attention?
Hi guys,
Ada seems to be checking in regularly since the new season started on Wed, so I don't think I want to post a separate thread just to get her or Gratewhiner's attention. I know we have a lot of thoughts and ideas going on here, and I'm eager to get more feedback as well, but I think I'd rather us be patient right now... I'm sure she'll be stopping back around, though it might not be until late at night.
I noticed that Desmond's hands went from clean to dirty too, but I agree that COULD be from a scuffle. Not quite sure how his finger nails would really get dirty from a scuffle though, unless he was digging in dirt. I'll bet if Kate was able to regain her balance or even a small fraction of leverage after falling down the hatch, she did her best to try and kick Desmond's butt. She has quite the self-defense moves. Not to say he didn't still overtake her, but I'm sure it wasn't without a good fight, or at least some resistance.
By the way, you know how we seem to see a globe in almost every episode? Well, I think I spotted one in Jack's office, behind jerk boyfriend:
by: gingerpeachypie (43 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 12, 2005
When I looked at the (wondeful) composite shot of the mural, I noticed the screen shot of Walt with the life jacket on. The figure on the top of the illustrations on the jacket is surrounded by a pentagon. Any thoughts?
Also, I was bothered by the term Desmond used at the stadium - "self-flagilation" (sp?). I know the term, but combined with his use of "brother", "lift it up", they all are terms one might hear in the presence of a monk or priest (brotherhood). Self-flagilation can be the practice of physical punishment for atonement of sins. I just thought it was an interesting phrase for him to use.
On the subject of Walt's communication with Shannon, I read here or another thread that he may have said something like "look in a book" or "notebook" back at the cave. It prompted me to take a second look at the comic book and I saw some things that can be connected to this episode. 1. The first scene in the comic book is in a lab with a separate terminal desk and mainframe. The wheely metal stool is also there in the comic book. 2. On another page with the alien is the blood iv and heart monitor, both seen in this flashback. 3. Part of the way through, the characters talk about feeling like they are pawns. Ada (not sure which thread) had positive comments a few days ago to a poster who brought up the idea that Vincent is a pawn. 4. The light in the hatch - is it a "signal up" like in the comic book (I'm not implying any alien activity).
There are an amazing amount of similarities in the comic book in both plot and phrasing. Again, I don't support the alien angle. Also, I know this has been discussed in another thread extensively - I just wanted to bring it up in light of the new epi.
by: chelle309 (33 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
I just watched the stadium scene again and had a thought.
When Desmond says the ,"you gotta lift it up" line to Jack, I got the feeling that he was looking at Jack expectantly, like he was waiting for a look of recognition from Jack. Like Jack would "get it", because it was something they had talked about already. When he realized that Jack didn't remember, he brushed it off as if he'd always meant it to be about the ankle. Watch Desmond's facial expressions and see if you notice this.
This is where it gets into that freaky time travel or time loop territory, but what if the two had already met in another time and this was something that was meaningful to both of them, and Desmond chose it for that reason. After all, it didn't really fit with the current situation.
Or maybe it's just that he knew Jack before, but Jack was made to forget what happened, somehow. He was testing him to make sure the memory had been erased?
No, I like my first idea better, because it fits in well with his "see you in another life" line.
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
davis: is it two different people.
The clean handed person sleeps on the top bunk, washes dishes, works out etc. and the dirty handed one sleeps on the bottom, captures Locke and met Jack in a previous life.
Davis, I am starting to really think there are two people now. It makes sense anyway, but I think the dirty nails supports the idea. I agree that he probably had a scuffle with Locke, and maybe even kate, but I just don't know if his hands nails and hands would have gotten that dirty. We never even saw the first guy's face, so we can't even know taht they're "twins" or even look similar, except for their hair being a similar color and length.
And remember, the first guy had a rifle type gun, not a hand gun, right? Or did he take two guns?
I think that Desmond is the guy who has a gun to Locke's head. I think the two guys take shifts... that's why the bottom book didn't look slept in. He (Desmond) was out on his shift.... working... whatever that is - and that's why his hands and nails were so dirty. Guy number one had just showered and seemed to be quite the neat freak, so I imagine he would have shaved too. But Desmond wasn't clean- shaven.
So, guy #1 gets up at 3am to get ready for his shift... starts his day. Maybe his shift starts at 4am, maybe? And so, the hatch gets blown open right as the two moles change shifts - lucky for them, so guy number 1 can deal with Kate, while Desmond captures Locke, and Jack.
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by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
chelle: When Desmond says the ,"you gotta lift it up" line to Jack, I got the feeling that he was looking at Jack expectantly, like he was waiting for a look of recognition from Jack. Like Jack would "get it", because it was something they had talked about already. When he realized that Jack didn't remember, he brushed it off as if he'd always meant it to be about the ankle. Watch Desmond's facial expressions and see if you notice this.
This is where it gets into that freaky time travel or time loop territory, but what if the two had already met in another time and this was something that was meaningful to both of them, and Desmond chose it for that reason. After all, it didn't really fit with the current situation.
Or maybe it's just that he knew Jack before, but Jack was made to forget what happened, somehow. He was testing him to make sure the memory had been erased?
Chelle, I noticed this too - and the look on Desmond's face was a bit creepy, and a bit like he was playing with Jack without him knowing it... kind of like he wanted to tell Jack, but didn't. It almost reminded me of something Sawyer would say, whether deciding to reveal the "why", but then deciding to keep it a secret.
What I wonder is, if Jack had something to do with why Desmond was "almost a doctor", but never became one. Did Jack somehow do something that prevented Desmond from going to medical school? How "almost a doctor" was Desmond? Beyond pre-med? Or beyond undergradute? Did he blame Jack for his own destiny, even though it was a choice Desmond made himself... as so much seems to be the case on this show, everyone is always blaming someone else for the tragedies in their lives, or for their own bad choices, or the bad choices of someone they love. Jack blames Locke for Boone's death, Sawyer blames Mr. Sawyer for his parent's death (even though his father is the one who is responsible for his parent's death), Christian blamed Jack for him losing his license (at least at first), Michael blamed Susan for taking Walt away from him, even though he let Brian adopt Walt (Michael made that choice).
So, I don't think that anything was done to Jack to make him forget Desmond. I think Jack just doesn't remember him, but I think Desmond defnitely remembered Jack, and whatever it was that he thinks Jack did to ruin is life.
I also think that something happened with Jack even before Sarah came along. Did you see how emotional he was when he was telling Sarah she wouldn't be able to walk, after the surgery? He was so convinced that the surgery couldn't possibly work that he hadn't even tested to see if her feet had feeling in them. H was crying as he was telling her that she woudn't be able walk. however, before the surgery, when he was first telling her she'd probably never be able to walk, before his father talked to him about giving patients at least a little hope, Jack talked very clinically, emotionless. I think something happened to Jack at some point that made him HAVE to do it that way. It's black or white with him. I think he knows that if he starts talking to patients about these things on a more personal, emotional level, the flood gates will open and he'll break down like that. So, he has to go the other way and be very clinical and cold.
Sorry to ramble, and sorry this is so long - but I do think that Desmond and Jack maybe knew each other in pre-med, and somehow Desmond blamed Jack for not becoming a doctor. Maybe. But I agree that the "lift it up" phrase much go back to how Desomond and Jack knew each other... and Desmond said it to see if it rang a bell with Jack.
Lord, do you think they were both in a cult?? And that's why Jack doesn't remember?
GrayLensman: Loaded a hand gun first and then a long gun second.
by: daviscbls (118 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
Also, I was bothered by the term Desmond used at the stadium - "self-flagilation" (sp?). I know the term, but combined with his use of "brother", "lift it up", they all are terms one might hear in the presence of a monk or priest (brotherhood). Self-flagilation can be the practice of physical punishment for atonement of sins. I just thought it was an interesting phrase for him to use.
I thought he sounded very religious also, what with him talking about miracles and such. When he said "You have to lift it up." I thought he was telling Jack to lift up his praise to God, or lift up his beliefs and that way Sara would be healed. I don't know how but I'm sure Desmond had something to do with Sara getting better.
by: chelle309 (33 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
Yay, ME! I'm not crazy! You saw it, too!
There's several ways we could go with this. Cult, psych ward, fraternity (brother), or...
Remember good ol' Christian and our thoughts about him possibly having an illegitmate child? Well, if that were the case maybe Jack met him eariler, but brushed him off in some way, angering Desmond. Desmond could have grown up and found out who his father was and also discovered that there was a legitimate son who was reaping all the benefits.
Maybe it was a financial problem, and his mother couldn't swing medical school. He blames Christian and see's Jack as a rival who got everything that should have been his?
by: jbbrennan (86 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005
It's black or white with him. I think he knows that if he starts talking to patients about these things on a more personal, emotional level, the flood gates will open and he'll break down like that. So, he has to go the other way and be very clinical and cold.
This goes along with what his father said to him when he was young, and how much that affected it. About him "not having what it takes" when he fails, or something like that.
The way that Jack recognized Desmond immediately in the dome, sort of makes me think that he isn't one to forget a face, and that the stadium was the first time he'd spoken to him.
I'm not sure if the "desmond" in the dome is the same Desmond as the stadium, though. I'd like to go back to ME's TWINS theory on that one.
How are the ways that one "almost" becomes a doctor?
by: chelle309 (33 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
How are the ways that one "almost" becomes a doctor?
He could have been kicked out for low grades or bad behavior?
Maybe it was a case of little money or opportunity?
Or, maybe he was on his way to becoming a doctor when he was recruited for hatch duty.
You know... the Island made him an offer he couldn't refuse? They must have promised him something really cool, like immortality or a ride in the time machine or something. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Yay, ME! I'm not crazy! You saw it, too!
There's several ways we could go with this. Cult, psych ward, fraternity (brother), or...
Remember good ol' Christian and our thoughts about him possibly having an illegitmate child? Well, if that were the case maybe Jack met him eariler, but brushed him off in some way, angering Desmond. Desmond could have grown up and found out who his father was and also discovered that there was a legitimate son who was reaping all the benefits.
Maybe it was a financial problem, and his mother couldn't swing medical school. He blames Christian and see's Jack as a rival who got everything that should have been his?
Yes, Chellle... I do remember our thoughts about Christian having an illegitimate child, and that's why he went back to Australia, and why he was found in the King's Cross area of Sydney (which, from what I read, is a rather seedy area of Syndey).
This first line from a toursit page for "Kings Cross Travel Service" cracks me up:
Kings Cross is a wild mixture of prostitution and crime, with stylish restaurants and hotels.
Btw, I did a lot more research on Kings Cross a while back, and posted it.
Anyway, if Christian got a prostitute pregnant, I imagine he would have cut and run... not looking back. However, knowing that he was dying/at the end of his life, or going to take his own life, he wanted to go back to make amends.
I always wondered if Jack was the one who was illigitimate - that maybe he was born to a woman who Christian had an affair with in Australia, and Christian took him away from his mother, or she simply gave him up because she couldn't afford to take care of him - maybe Christian even paid her off - and he brought baby Jack to the US to be raised by him and his wife... maybe his wife couldn't have children.
However, it could very well be that Desmond IS the illegitimate child, and as you said, was raised in Australia by his single mom in Kings Cross... struggling for every dime. Like you said, lots of resentment there... could be!
jas: I'm not sure if the "desmond" in the dome is the same Desmond as the stadium, though. I'd like to go back to ME's TWINS theory on that one.
I don't think i had a "TWINS theory", did I? I think I said they don't even have to be twins - but just two different people down there in the underground facility -since we never really see the first guy's face. Nothing says they have to be twins.
BEWARE: If you navigate around the pages you will see MAJOR spoilers for the next two episodes (I was not expecting there to be so much revealed in the pics and captions!).
by: daviscbls (118 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
Anyway, if Christian got a prostitute pregnant, I imagine he would have cut and run... not looking back. However, knowing that he was dying/at the end of his life, or going to take his own life, he wanted to go back to make amends.
I always wondered if Jack was the one who was illigitimate - that maybe he was born to a woman who Christian had an affair with in Australia, and Christian took him away from his mother, or she simply gave him up because she couldn't afford to take care of him - maybe Christian even paid her off - and he brought baby Jack to the US to be raised by him and his wife... maybe his wife couldn't have children.
However, it could very well be that Desmond IS the illegitimate child, and as you said, was raised in Australia by his single mom in Kings Cross... struggling for every dime. Like you said, lots of resentment there... could be!
How does he have an Irish (even though he's apparently a Scot) accent if he was raised in Austrailia. I prefer the one where Jack is Christian's son but not his wife's. That would also tie into the 'raised by another' theme of most of the Losties.
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
How are the ways that one "almost" becomes a doctor?
He could have been kicked out for low grades or bad behavior?
Maybe it was a case of little money or opportunity?
Or, maybe he was on his way to becoming a doctor when he was recruited for hatch duty.
He might have been on drugs - got kicked out.
He might have had to quit pre-med or even med school to get a job to take care of his mother.
Or some big puppetmaster did something to make sure he only knows enough medical knowledge to enable him to operate the facility, but suffer enough disappointment and resetentment to eager, and even despirate, to jump at the chance to do something that he thinks will be big and important and noteworthy.
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
How does he have an Irish (even though he's apparently a Scot) accent if he was raised in Austrailia. I prefer the one where Jack is Christian's son but not his wife's. That would also tie into the 'raised by another' theme of most of the Losties.
Good point about the accent, and I've always liked that theory that Jack's mother is not his biological mother, and like it better than Desmond being his half brother, but who knows.
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
ME - above you said someone figured out that Sarah's accident was in 1997. Do you know where you read that?
(Wasn't me - I just noted a recent looking cell phone being used by one of the officers entering the ER.)
someone in this thread posted that someone in another thread spotted a date in the ER, but was wondering if any of us noticed or could confirm. Don't remember who it was though.
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by: rudysam (37 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 08, 2005
Hi, long time lurker...I think you people are brilliant!!
I'm sorry if it was already talked about:
Anyway, over on the plot board t8tr's "minute detail thread" they are discussing the layout of Desmond's living quarters & how certain objects 1st appear on the left in some shots & then the right in others. I would love to hear what you all think about this.
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Hi, long time lurker...I think you people are brilliant!!
I'm sorry if it was already talked about:
Anyway, over on the plot board t8tr's "minute detail thread" they are discussing the layout of Desmond's living quarters & how certain objects 1st appear on the left in some shots & then the right in others. I would love to hear what you all think about this.
Thanks, Jill
Interesting, Jill! And welcome!
If this is true, then it sounds like there might be a lot of mirrors in Desmond's apartment... and some of the shots we're seeing are actually reflections in the mirrors.
by: jsacerad (38 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 11, 2004
Hi everyone. Love this thread. I try to keep up with all the wonderful info here. Decided I should put my 2 cents in this season...so here I go.
Desmond. At the stadium, when he said "lift it up," I thought is was more of a spiritual cue to Jack. They were talking about Sarah and Jack's failing to fix her. The episode was MOS/MOF, and this man of faith was proposing to Jack the science man that maybe he DID fix her.
Whether Desmond was referring to "lift it up" to God or just Jack needing to lift up his guilt, and have faith in himself. In any case, Jack was not evolved enough to recognize the suggestion by Desmond.
As always, if this is somthing that's been beat to death somewhere else...sorry for the repeat.
The episode was so amazing.
---- forgot to say, maybe Desmond is a "healer," and he stoppped going to med school because he believed they couldn't teach him anything more than what he could already do/know. Everybody on Lost special...
by: piktureme (201 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 19, 2005
Hi. Longtime poster who took a five month break and a name change, but I think I found something today. I got A to talk to me one on one last night over on a different thread. She'll do that if you can get her alone. Anyway, I was asking questions and she told me some stuff that led me to something today. I'm going to go see if I can flag her down again, but if she tells me that this is right, can I post it in your thread? All of the other ones out there are social ones. You know, "how's your cat?" "My cat is fine. How was your XFiles reunion?" "It was great. Want to the see the pictures?" You guys are the only ones that are doing real research. Anyway, I'll understand if you say no. I'll check back after I find out if she's around. Thanks.
by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
Welcome to the new people! I'm glad you've finally come out of lurkerdom.
Pik, please post your thoughts here.
Lark: I think the painting was a record of people who land on that island and what they do. I don't have much evidence for this, just that I think the woman in the painting might be Joanna because she appears to be drowning.
I think that's exactly what's happening on the right hand side of the mural, but I think most of it is what is GOING to happen on the island, or rather, what HAS to happen for the Losties to get off the island. I posted a bit about this a few pages back.
Here's my post from page 22, quoting Ada in bold:
13. Cac, that was a great first look at the mural. Now look closer. What's happening to those buildings? Are you sure that's a sun? There's more, but lets get you looking at those first.
When Jack shone the light on it, he looked at it from left to right, but when I look at the whole thing, my eye travels right to left. I start in the upper right corner, on the Chagal boar's head which is sort of impaled by the raft, follow the path down to the base of the arrow, up the arrow to the Munsch face and counterclockwise around the meteorite to swim with the fishes right into the centre of the meteorite.
Following this path, the house is moving. It reminds me of the Wizard of Oz, when the tornado takes the house to Oz. ME pointed out that each house has a different coloured roof, representing different time periods; specifically the different uses of the tunnels during the island's history. We've discussed Cubism before, where one painting can show different times by showing the same object repeatedly (Picasso's multiple nosed women). The house swirls in a counterclockwise storm to land with the fish and tally marks. Could the tallies represent the people who've left the island? Or died trying?
There are a bunch of stick men above the waves -- 13 are visible in this shot. Could these be our 14 Losties minus Boone? They look like they are walking on the waves in the meteorite's wake. As with Danielle's maps, these could be electromagnetic waves rather than water waves.
There are also a lot more fish than I thought at first. There's even more under the surface than we think?
I'm not sure if this is telling us when the sickness arrived on the island, or that when he realized he was sick he wanted to get off the island. Danielle also connected the sickness with leaving in her timeline.
Chelle: When Desmond says the ,"you gotta lift it up" line to Jack, I got the feeling that he was looking at Jack expectantly, like he was waiting for a look of recognition from Jack. Like Jack would "get it", because it was something they had talked about already. When he realized that Jack didn't remember, he brushed it off as if he'd always meant it to be about the ankle. Watch Desmond's facial expressions and see if you no
A compared Desmond to a billionaire on an adventure. We've talked about how many of the fathers are wealthy and might have provided the money to resurrect the experiment. What if Desmond is one of them? The phoenix insignia on his shirt might indicate his membership in this club, or brotherhood. "Lift it up" might be a code phrase, used to identify the brothers. Since Desmond knows that Christian is a member, he might assume that Jack is too and work the phrase into the conversation. When Jack doesn't recognize it, Desmond would be forced to explain it away.
by: shakespearehead (177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 10, 2005
...Does anyone else see the similarity between the Mouse Trap game "trap" and the geodomes? Any ideas on other game-related references in this epi?...
gingerpeachypie, I'm trying to catch up reading this thread and I came across your post. I kept track of all the game references from season one (that we could find). I'll post them below.
In the first epi of season 2 there was a ping pong paddle and a board game with black and white pieces (perhaps GO). Did anyone find any more?
I believe one of the themes of the show is that life is like one big game. Before you dismiss this idea, I am not saying this is the "solution" to all of the island mysteries. Fate, faith, laws of science, luck, decisions, rewards, punishments, etc. all play a roll in the big game we call life. All of these characters have "lost" in life in many ways. In the end we will see who has "won." The enormous number of game references listed below are not just coincidence.
Perhaps the title of the show refers to "lost" as the opposite of "won."
The writers have said that all props are intentional, and there are so many game references. I'm not sure what they are trying to tell us, but I'm just trying to put all the pieces of this giant puzzle together.
Here are some clues we've found so far:
Pilot part 2: -backgammon (2x: Walt vs. Locke & Walt vs. Hurley) -Sawyer rants, "I'm the criminal; you're the terrorist. We can all PLAY a part. Who do you want to be?" This reminded me of a child's game of pretend -- or Monopoly where you choose which game piece you will be. - Hurley told Sayid he played an online game with his buddies from the Gulf War (thanks duffusgirl) - Locke mentioned "sides"--could be like a division into opposing "teams"
Tabula Rasa: -Walt was playing a game he made up while it was raining. He was sliding rocks down this board in three different rows. He also plays fetch with Vincent in many episodes. -"Tabula Rasa:" from Wikipedia, "Tabula is a game of the Tables family of games, and is generally thought to be the direct ancestor of modern Backgammon. The earliest description of it is in an epigram of Emperor Zeno (476-481CE) given by Agathias of Myrine (527-567CE), where Agathias describes an game in which Zeno through the unfortunate roll of dice goes from a strong position to a very weak one." (Thanks CD 23 and quilla2004)
Walkabout: - army game Locke was playing -Walt playing with a tennis ball -Shannon doing a crossword puzzle. "What's a four letter word for I don't care?" -Locke used baseball signs to communicate silently with Michael and Kate while hunting boar.
White Rabbit: -Tennis shoes: one hanging in tree in Pilot episode and figure of Jack's dad wearing them with a suit here
House of the Rising Sun: - pente: name of Charlie's solo album; also name of a game played with black and white stones (thanks thebadnumbers)
The Moth: - Sawyer called Walt "Tatoo," a reference to "Fantasy Island" which was just one big role playing game (RPG). (thanks captainaeon)
Confidence Man: -pool hall (8 ball on table)
Solitary: -golf -Sayid: "This isn't a game Nadia." Nadia: "Yet you continue to play it, Sayid, pretending to be something you're not."
Raised by Another -Charlie counts Claire's contractions in Sugarplum fairies: A reference to the game hide & seek. "Many UK children count in Sugarplum fairies while they hide their eyes (an allusion to the Nutcracker, a story where a girl enters a beautiful, but dangerous, storyland)." (thanks Adawhen) - tarot cards (possibly) (thanks carmonious)
Hearts and Minds: -Locke said they were the most dangerous predator of all which I believe is a literary reference to the story "The Most Dangerous GAME" by Richard Connell in which the hunter, Zaroff, becomes the hunted, and as Boone said to Shannon, "So the player got played." -Boone was playing tennis with a blonde girl when Shannon called him for help. (thanks duffusgirl) - Hurley said, "This isn't a game. We need food." (which could support the theory that Hurley is big into gaming and "known as bit of a warrior himself back home.")
Special: - hand of playing cards on Boone's shirt (4 aces) -Michael says to Locke: "You keep PLAYING my son against me," and, "I'm not in the mood for your GAMES." -Michael says about Walt, "I'm on his SIDE."
In Translation: -"New life," "start over, & "go back to the beginning"--game terms used over and over in this episode -Jin playing golf with black rocks instead of golf balls -Walt would rather "throw the ball" to Vincent that talk about Michael's passion for architecture. -Backgammon again: Locke says to Walt, "Got an opponent?" Walt always wins.Hurley "lost" $83,000 to him
Numbers: -lottery game -Connect 4 (Lenny & note how all characters are CONNECTED) -Lenny's last name is Simms (Sims=computer game) -Lenny's friend WON the bean counting game with the numbers (thanks Lento17) -hockey game on Hurley's TV -Charlie says to Hurley they were "target practice" for Danielle in the jungle. -Hurley wears a numbered black football jersey and his brother wears a NC baseball jersey in flashback -Tekken: Hugo Reyes(real person)is on production staff and characters in this game include: Jin, Jack, Marshall (Law), Alex, and polar bear (thanks DNA66)
Deus Ex Machina: - mouse trap (Locke and boy in toy store) -army game (Locke in the toy store) - Locke's mom asks where she can find footballs in toy store (aisles 8 & 15) - Locke and his father hunting (thanks kharmabites) - Locke's father says to him before the surgery, "See you on the other SIDE."
Do No Harm: - In Jack's fashback: wife wearing football (?) jersey (thanks abouttocrash)
Outlaws: -drinking game "I Never..." (Kate & Sawyer) - World Series Game reference ties Jack to his father (thanks kharmabites)
The Greater Good: -terrorists are playing a violent video game: Half Life (thanks wavelength121 & blueshift18) -Sayid and his friend are playing soccer (another black/white reference,too)
Born to Run: -baseball in time capsule (possibly with John Locke's signature on it) -Sawyer says to Michael, "You gonna vote me off?" (referencing Survivor, the first reality GAME show on which the writers have said Lost is loosely based) -man behind the hotel desk playing GameBoy before giving Kate her letter
Exodus: -old man's hat reads: crazy 8's (thanks disparue) -kids wearing sport jerseys with "the numbers" on them -Walt's video game in airport & on plane: Cabella's Big Game Hunter ?05 Adventures (thanks TommyKinda) -drawing sticks to see who carries dynamite: using a game to make a life/death decision (Jack "lost") -Locke compares dynamite to the game Operation: "bzzz... I always got nailed on the funny bone." -Jack: "You like to play games John?" Locke: "Absolutely!"
General Season 1 tidbits: - There are many references to "tests" (which games ultimately are): Sawyer "refuses the [medical] tests" and Locke said, "Our faith is being tested." -luck" and "fate" are recurring themes--BIG factors in games. -There are many references to "time" which is a HUGE factor in games or tests (ex. Jin's watch, Locke telling time and when it will rain, Charlie's fingers "late", Jin told Sun it was too late, etc.) -Even though the RPG theory was denied by the writers, there are many similarities between this show and RPG's. This game reference could point toward an overall theme or secret of Lost (thanks marbalbc). Lost Executive Consultant Jeff Pinkner stated, "The island could in a way be a dramatic version of a video game." -While reading another thread about what the monster could be, Ada responded, "Locke recognized that it is an inherently beautiful thing. Unique. Magnificiant. Earthly and unearthly. Let me point this out to you, to help you a bit more: Who is the geek on the island? Who is the one who is most likely to have been found in the HS Chess Club or the college Sci-Fi League? Who is the nerd who lived his life through observations and games? And what would he find "beautiful"? (end of quote) Her reference to games peaked my interest. Wouldn't a guy like Locke be the type of teenager to play Dungeons & Dragons? Adawhen also implied that there is more than one monster, and she gave an analogy suggesting it was an ordinary creature altered/bred to protect the island. Could the first "monster" which Locke found to be so beautiful be a dragon of sorts? Where there's smoke...
I know there are more that we have missed. With so many references, this HAS to mean something.
by: piktureme (201 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 19, 2005
I asked her if she meant that Desmond was a billionaire, and she said no, she meant that lots of billionaires hold those stupid races, that's all. Anyway, she was telling me last night to look at the dome and try to figure out who was behind it and we talked about that last night, and I said, whoever did it would have to have unlimited or almost unlimited funds. She said, and who would that be? I thought to myself that's got to be the government, so today, I ran a search string with geodesic dome, government, south pacific and the general date of the chamber that Desmond is in. This site came back.
I asked A is she could tell me if I was completely off base, and she said she couldn't discredit it, that she won't say how much or little is has to do with it, but that it isn't off base. So here's what I found. How much it has to do with it all, I don't know, but A did point out that if Desmond was working for an entity, why hadn't it updated it's equipment? The computers and stuff.
That means that either Desmond wandered into this thing, maybe when he got stuck on the island, and he's just using it and running it because he's bored and figured it out, or that the entity, government or private, can't get back for some reason. Like the rest of the planet was hit by a meteorite or something. I know, that's pretty extreme, but something weird is going on, and I'm just trying to figure it all out.
by: OneisLost (98 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004
whatever that is - and that's why his hands and nails were so dirty.
Could he have shoved Kate into a cell or something and quickly began walling it up? Especially if it was already begun. The buckets by the door way, etc. Kate calling Jack from what seemed to be far away. Could she be behind a wall?
Thanks for letting me put it here. I didn't know where else to post it.
Ah! We're back around to ECHELON! Very good, pik!!
I look forward to reading this!! That will really tie a lot in - Pine Gap, where Lenny and Sam were stationed, was part of ECHELON too. And Ft. Lewis, where Kate's dad was stationed, is connected to Takimq Firing Station, which is part of ECHELON.
Ah, the dots are connecting! Now I have to read. Thanks, pik!
by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
... the entity, government or private, can't get back for some reason. Like the rest of the planet was hit by a meteorite or something. I know, that's pretty extreme, but something weird is going on, and I'm just trying to figure it all out.
One of the things I remember reading about Montauk was that there was a passageway connecting it to Pine Gap. That would be a portal, tesseract, whatever; not an actual hole throught the middle of the earth. They described trucks driving through it. I think this is also how the kangaroos got to Long Island.
If there was also one to the island, it would have been shut down when the Montauk base was closed. For Pine Gap, this wouldn't be a problem -- they'd just take the long way around to get there -- but if the Island were in another dimension, that would be a huge problem. Any further transportation between the Island and the real world would have to revert to naturally occuring portals, which were, of course, the reason the island was chosen in the first place.
by: shakespearehead (177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 10, 2005
In the first epi of season 2 there was a ping pong paddle and a board game with black and white pieces (perhaps GO). Did anyone find any more game references?
I forgot to include the sports stadium where Jack and Desmond ran and the checkered racing flags on Desmond's bike.
Does anyone know in which episode the characters referred to themselves as pawns?
by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
Sorry, Blue, I wasn't very clear. I meant the bottles of paint on the pyramidal boxes. They look more structural than most paint bottles which are just thrown in an old cardboard box.
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
I just found this info about geodesic domes:
The key structural unit in a geodesic dome is a four-surfaced pyramid figure called a tetrahedron. The geometric shape on which all geodesic domes are based is a 20-sided polyhedron called an icosahedron. Like the tetrahedron, each side is an equilateral triangle, and at each point five triangles meet to form pentagons. Unless it is a complete sphere, all geodesic domes have six pentagons, one at the top and five around the perimeter. The largest domes, hundreds of feet in diameter, have thousands of hexagons but still only six pentagons.
Pik, was there anything in particular on that page that you wanted us to look at? It's basically about how the government has listening stations everywhere and we've thought for a while that that was one of the purposes of the island before it was abandoned.
We've been shown that transmissions do not travel on or off the island. Was this not always the case? If it's always been this way, doesn't it seem like a strange place to build an antenna?
by: Sneaker123 (730 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
The double pyramid frame-work shape you get when you complete the "connect-the-dots" puzzle on the oceanicflight815 site is properly called a bi-lateral tertrahedron. It's basically two tetrahedrons that share a common side.
by: LostinBlue (2434 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
Another mural observation: Above the '0' in 108, there appears to be written '30' or something similar. On Desmond's shirt at the stadium, it also appears in the bottom right of the insignia inside the pentagon.
by: harly1729 (1 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2005
Hey, I had the same thought, I'm new and don't know who this A person is, but I thought that Desmond was part of an earlier group of people, maybe with the crazy french chick, and stumbled onto the hatch and made it his own. What baffled me is how he would have his own fresh eggs and dish soap and stuff like that. Sorry if that's been brought up before, just catching on to this message board stuff. Loved the old records, though, and the way they started the show, I thought it was another flashback!
by: Lost_in_BC (64 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jul 02, 2005
Hello there, I lurked in this thread last season, and thought I'd post this time.
My hubby was looking at the painting, and these where his observations.
The sun is not a sun but an explosion. He thinks nuckular (sp?) or dirty bomb.
The stick figure's in the top left corner could be a representation of those whom infected/bombed the island.
The ticks by the houses, could they be barbed wire to fortify the beach houses??
the injections, could they be to deal with radiation poisening.
Haven't the foggiest on that arrow.
No clue how any of that would connect in with the numbers, or any of the other stories, but that's what the pict brought to mind.
That being said we both fully realise that Desmond would not have been in the hatch for more than a few years. And although he's familiar with the place, the hatch was not originally his, he has come to occupy it and probably works for the same people as the original ocupant. He is definatly there to perform a function. What is he controlling? Is it the security system, or is the security system protecting what he is controlling.
Those are just some random thoughts I thought I'd put out there.
And I wanted to say Hi Ada!! I've been a long time fan of yours. I am really glad to see you back this year!! You bring sunshine with you, and sometimes a little wicked rain! src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Keep rockin darlin'
_LI*BC
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by: tzedaka (419 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
Ada says: 1. Tzedaka, dont you dare stay silent! You know what you're talking about, now, TALK! Bring up your computer stuff again!
I believe this is all I mentioned about the computer...maybe she refers more to timeline than computer...
"That computer symbol is DOS...the old computer program before Windows became the personal ease cover. I was using this in the late 70's on airline computers... I'm sure it's a bit older"
by: daviscbls (118 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
"That computer symbol is DOS...the old computer program before Windows became the personal ease cover. I was using this in the late 70's on airline computers... I'm sure it's a bit older"
So maybe it came from another airplane that crashed in the 1970s.
by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
tze: I believe this is all I mentioned about the computer...maybe she refers more to timeline than computer...
"That computer symbol is DOS...the old computer program before Windows became the personal ease cover. I was using this in the late 70's on airline computers... I'm sure it's a bit older"
I think you're right about the timeline, as both of her questions about the computer asked us to find a date.
We have the Apple II which was produced from 1977 to 1979 and DOS which was replaced by Windows in late 1983. Is it possible to narrow this down more?
I'm trying to corelate the island time line with that of the Montauk project, where mind control experiments were done until the base was officially closed on 1 July 1980. However, the Orion Delta T antenna was only installed in 1979-1980 and the final Montauk project didn't happen until 12 August 1983.
Would that computer have been used until 1983 or would it have been replaced after 1979-1980? I think the distinction is important because the projects get more secret and freaky after 1980.
BC: That being said we both fully realise that Desmond would not have been in the hatch for more than a few years. And although he's familiar with the place, the hatch was not originally his, he has come to occupy it and probably works for the same people as the original ocupant. He is definatly there to perform a function. What is he controlling? Is it the security system, or is the security system protecting what he is controlling.
In late 1983 through 1984, Montauk was stripped of its equipment and the underground areas were sealed with cement. Other parts were sealed in 1993. Much of the base is still closed to the public even though it is now a state park.
If the island was being used in a similar way, it would make sense for the government to have one or two people stationed there to make sure no one finds it and, if they do stumble upon it accidentally, that they don't leave.
by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
That's true, the transmissions DO get off the island, but not all the time. Lenny & Sam heard nothing but static until that one night when they heard the numbers.
Who else might have heard the transmission? Maybe the pilots of the Beechcraft and O815?
by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
Oh yeah, and DESMOND. He must have heard Danielle's distress call on his way to the island.
So he wants people to hear it for some reason. In spite of the way he answers his door, he must actually want people to come to the island. Maybe he wants some new test subjects.
Can just anyone hear this transmission, or do they have to be Special?
by: twinmama68 (1 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 01, 2005
Hello there all- been a long time since I posted - took the summer off as many of you I see did too - good to be back in here lurking around - just got finished reading the whole 27 pages and it has taken me days! Been writing down points and questions - gotten some answered as I read through - but one or two never seem to have come up and I thought I would post them.
No one has really discussed the painting as in WHO painted it? it is just outside or on the edge of Desmonds apt. - but I didnt realise that until a little while later - my first thought about it when watching the epi was that the children who have been kidnapped painted this picture - WHY? was it to warn others (kids) who get kidnapped, or was it them telling the story of why they are brought here?, could it be what happened to them when they were brought here? etc. It definitley looks like a kids painting unless it is an adult who has a very definite painting style. ???? knowing who painted it might help in figuring out what they would be trying to get across. just thoughts.
On another front a long time ago Ada or someone else mentioned running the terms bacteria and magnetite together and sewhat you get - I did and it came up with stuff about Mars having evidence of bacteria on it from meteorites and that scientists were trying to prove that meant it had water on it etc. So I thought about what if this big meteorite crashed on the island and had bacteria in it that could affect people after a while of incubation or re-hydration, that the meteorite also has its magnetic special properties that are desireable enough to make people who know it is there want to drill for it and mine for it. And after a while they get affected by this bacteria. Some of the research I did had to do with the phoenomena of bacteria being affected by magnetic waves which causes the bacteria to line up and becomes a compas of sorts. Moving the magnet causes the bacteria to do a u turn and they follow it - whcih is how it acts like a compass. But with a big magnet in the island and bacteria lining up maybe around the island - anyone crossing that path could get the bacteria on them ?? just thoughts.
In any case there definitely is many things going on here and not one right answer to it all. There are kids getting kidnapped for a reason, the island brought the lostaways to it for a reason, there is something going on with the underground facility which is having to protect something for a reason, the pirates went a got Walt for whom? Desmond? Does he use them to get stuff for him? the newer items etc.? Danielle has been there a long time but she has been running scared the whole time and I think she really doesnt know what is going on there. I think she is just stuck there and has not gotten killed or died from whatever the sickness is by pure luck or special genetics (like the few people who are immune to aids, etc.) She was brought there for the child she had and has no other use since then. She has mapped everything out but she doesnt know about the underground stuff maybe, because iDesmond or whoever else down there has been screwing with her head for a long time. dont know on that one - just thoughts. Something is going on with Twinning and/or twins for sure - so just needing to know how it ties in to the children/magnet-bacteria/and being drawn to the island for reasons unbenownced to everyone. This is a good mystery and a very complex one for sure, so many things to figure out - I am glad you guys are discussing all details in depth and I will continue to read whenever possible! But if you might explore some of these topics I would be so grateful! Your thoughts are totally appreciated on my part, looking forward to this wednesday! I can not wait!
Off topic weirdness - ever since having my twins I have done reading on the situation of tins/twinning and one thing that is true now-adays is that the instance of having twins is becoming more and more common. My neighbor had identicals in 2002, I had twins in 2003, and now my other neighbor is having identicals this year. Three sets of twins on my street. within very short time span - and no one was on fertility drugs. I think it has something to do with the milk we drink having hormones in it. hmmmmm -good luck to us all in our quest for the answer to this LOST mystery- twinmama
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Who else might have heard the transmission? Maybe the pilots of the Beechcraft and O815?
Well, Danielle and her team heard the numbers transmission too.
Maybe Lenny and Sam heard it when they did because they happened on the correct frequency... and maybe the same with Daniellen and her team. They didn't hear it before then because they hadn't been tuned in to the correct frequency, which I have a feeling is a very high or unusual frequency.
Or, maybe the numbers transmission was simply activated 16 years ago for some reason.
p.s. Hi Ada, Tze, Davis and cac... and welcome LIBC!
by: Lost_in_BC (64 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jul 02, 2005
Who else might have heard the transmission? Maybe the pilots of the Beechcraft and O815?
Well, Danielle and her team heard the numbers transmission too.
Maybe Lenny and Sam heard it when they did because they happened on the correct frequency... and maybe the same with Daniellen and her team. They didn't hear it before then because they hadn't been tuned in to the correct frequency, which I have a feeling is a very high or unusual frequency.
Or, maybe the numbers transmission was simply activated 16 years ago for some reason.
p.s. Hi Ada, Tze, Davis and cac... and welcome LIBC!
Hello everybody,MEandthesea, Cac,
Why then did desmond not change the transmition back. Was it's purpose already compleated??
Thanks for the response Cac, I've been reading up on some of the Montak stuff.... interesting!
I don't think the painting was done by children, it seems to complex. More like a deranged adult. I don't think it was Desmond, maybe whomever was there before him. Besides didn't Ada say the painting was some sort of primitive magic eye painting? I've tried and tried but I'm not seeing the larger picture.
The large amounts of fish in the painting, could they be representing dead fish washed up on shore from some type of poisening/radiation?? Just a thought.
by: Lost_in_BC (64 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jul 02, 2005
Agreed. I hope next epi they give us a better shot of that painting. I have seen the cut and paste one, but what I would give for one clear shot of the entire thing!
by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
twinmama, welcome to the board. I just had another thought about twins. It's often pointed out that twins have a stronger psychic connection than regular siblings. Do you know anything about this?
I agree that figuring out the artist is very important, but I think it was done recently, probably by Desmond or his roommate. It's possible, though, that it has been done over a long period of time and by more than one person.
BC, the best picture of the painting I've found is here:
by: daviscbls (118 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
If you look at the sun/metiorite/flower, around it to the top are what looks like waves. Maybe it landed in the ocean and caused a tsunami. All the fish were washed onto the beach. Or it could be predicting the future. What has yet to happen. Although if Desmond knows that a tsunami is coming, the best place to hide won't be underground.
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
I just rewatched the scene where Jack is in the computer room, with the loud music playing, and when I turned up the volume, as I did before, I do hear someone yelling... and though it's hard to make out, I really think it's Kate. However, before I thought she was yelling, "Jack!", but I'm changing my answer - now I think she's yelling "Locke!", which makes more sense. She didn't know Jack was down there.
I think maybe Kate and Locke were both captured and in the same room, but when Desmond and friend found out Jack was coming, Desmond took Locke out of the room at gunpoint as hostage in order to get Jack to what they want. When Desmond took Locke out of the room at gunpoint, she started yelling for Locke, out of concern for him, and herself.
by: lark0016 (204 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 09, 2004
Hi. Longtime poster who took a five month break and a name change, but I think I found something today. I got A to talk to me one on one last night over on a different thread. She'll do that if you can get her alone. Anyway, I was asking questions and she told me some stuff that led me to something today. I'm going to go see if I can flag her down again, but if she tells me that this is right, can I post it in your thread? All of the other ones out there are social ones. You know, "how's your cat?" "My cat is fine. How was your XFiles reunion?" "It was great. Want to the see the pictures?" You guys are the only ones that are doing real research. Anyway, I'll understand if you say no. I'll check back after I find out if she's around. Thanks.
Please, please post what you've got! I'd love to hear it.
Cac and Me, those are very interesting, and it's so much easier to see the painting from those pictures than it is from my crappy tapes! I have a much better understanding now.
Now that I look closer, the waves seem to be going around the meteorite. Wonder what they are supposed to be...
You know the stick people... it just looks so much like the scene of the raft sailing, like they are on the beach... I don't know what I'm talking about really, I'm just trying to keep up with you guys
by: OneisLost (98 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004
Twinmama's comment about re-hydration made me think that could be another reason to divert the water. To keep the meteor dry so the bacteria doesn't spread/breed as quickly.
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Hi Lark!
I think it looks like the people are on the beach too.
Maybe the water looks like it's going around the the meteorite because the meteorite landed on the island, and the island is surrounded by water. The thing about murals like that is that they don't all fit together like a regular picture would - there might be the people on the beach in one cornder, but then the island their on below them, from another view (like the maps are).
Great thinking, though!
I was just watching the ER scene and I THINK I might know where the date is... but my tape of the episode isn't good enough for me to make it out very well... but maybe someone else will be able. Right after Jack takes the steering column out of Sarah's chest, and then does whatever he else does, he walks around to her other side, right before she mumbles the bit about dancing at her wedding. Well, as he's walking around, they show a close shot of a nurse tending to Sarah, reaching across her, and the person is wearing a big, black, digital watch. I'm wondering if the date is on that watch - along with the time. We get a rather close shot of it.
Can anyone else get a better look at it, and check it out? Terminus, can you get a good screen cap of it??
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Thanks, Quan. Now, as someone else pointed out though, 11:14 doesn't fit the scene... since Rutherford died at 8:15a.m. So the watch is either ahead 3 hours, or or behind 9 hours.
Did this ER person just get the job after moving from another part of the country, or world.... and hadn't adjusted the time on their watch yet? And why would that not be the first thing you'd do, especially being in the medical field?
Wasn't 11:15 the time that Sun was supposed to go out and get into the car at the airport?
Another perspective, anyway. Did anyone point out the picture of the eye + M + sick area? At least that's how it looks to me.
Also, the prominent face/head at the top looks like it's wearing some sort of featherd headdress.
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Chelle, thanks for showing us the photo. Each one I see helps me see things I hadn't seen before. For example, on this one you just shared, above the word "Sick", I see at least two stick figures upside down. I wonder if they are people who died from the sickness.
Also, if you look way over to the left, it almost looks like the water is flowing into the painting over white white thing on the left. Does this represent flooding, and that is why there is what appears to be island above and below the water? And at the very top of the image, directly to the left of the woman's head and to the left of what appears to be the feathered heardress (or does that represent the big bird we saw in the finale?), I can see a little very dark patch with white dots. Are these stars?
chell, I'm not sure if anyone mentioned the eye + M + sick area here, but I did see it in other threads (maybe by you! I can't remember). Glad you pointed it out here though. You could be right!
by: decarillion (39 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 27, 2005
I got to thinking that perhaps the mural is a sort of Dorian Gray painting....whatever is painted on that wall DOES come to pass...rather than the events being painted after they came to pass....
by: LostinBlue (2434 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
Since we're talking about the mural, I'm reposting some of my observations from a few pages back:
- At least one stick figure is upside down on the left.
- The houses in the mural are pentagons.
- There is a star filled sky at the top right of the mural, above the face.
- There are two arrows. A white one that is pointing up and to the left and a red one at the bottom that is pointing "through" the wall.
- "ARM" + "SICK
- Perhaps a black face with a turbin to the left of the woman's face? The islander formally known as Emeke? The woman's face = Danielle?
- The eys in the mural = eyes of the island = Desmond
- In another thread titled "The painting," A posted: I once painted the Sikhote-Alin! Sorry. Couldn't resist." Read about the Sikhote-Alin meteor(ite) here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhote-Alin_Meteorite.
- Another mural observation: Above the '0' in 108, there appears to be written '30' or something similar. On Desmond's shirt at the stadium, it also appears in the bottom right of the insignia inside the pentagon.
by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
I also see the black face -- black and white, again. Could they be Adam and Eve? I hadn't noticed Eve's feathered hat before, either.
ME, where you see the upside-down stick person, there are more lines around it, enclosing it, actually. It looks like the structure of a radio tower. The thing labeled SICK wraps itself around the tower. Is that thing an arm?
I keep going looking at the two 108s. Why are there two? One is written over the 'sun' and the other is outside of it, overlapping it's triangular 'rays.' In some views the outside 108 looks more like 16, but I think it's supposed to be 108.
Someone said the 'sun' is the whirlpool, which I think makes sense. maybe the 0 is the drain, or the magnet. Some of the triangles have smaller triangles inside or look like they are drawn in perspective, like they are hollow pyramids or tetrahedrons.
Above the house on the left, I think there's a face. It looks distorted, like Dali's melting clocks.
by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
5. ME, is Desmond referring to a Space race? Anything's possible, but as every bored billionaire on earth will tell you, why cure cancer with my assets when I can fly/sail/talk myself around the world in pursuit of a record that others have already claimed more than a century ago?
Tirade over.
There are many annual, biannual, triannual, and qudrannual races around the world.
Ask yourself, how the heck would Desmond end up on the island that no one gets off of while on "a sort of race 'round the world"?
And don't take Desmond at face value. The man's got secrets. Heck, that's the island passport!
...
Work on how Desmond could have gotten there. Frankly, there's only two ways, both physically and metaphysically, so make the short list. Once you have that narrowed down, look at the existing, known possibilities and see if they could possibly fit.
But be careful. You're near where Frenchy's friend lost his arm!
Last thing for you to ponder:
There's a lot of wood on that island, isn't there? Heck, there's a lot of debris on that island! There's even caves!
You have seen two fabricated abodes on the island, other than the survivors. Vastly different in every way, but one. What is their commonality? Hmmm? And more importantly, why?
Do you hate me? Huh? Huh?
This was part of Ada's post on p. 20 that I didn't reply to at the time.
The two ways Desmond could get to the island would by by air or by sea. Since the record was set over a century ago, so I don't think that it could be by air.
Kate once mentioned that she spent a summer crewing J boats, so I looked them up. They are used in round the world races and can be raced with a very small crew or even solo. I don't think Desmond arrived on the island with very many people, so this seems likely. It's also possible that he and Kate might have met.
Did Montaigne lose his arm when he arrived on the island?
Danielle and Desmond both live underground, presumably because it is safer there. If Danielle has staved off the illness for 16 years just by living underground, why does Desmond have daily injections if he also spends all his time underground? Does his job expose him to the illness? Are the injections for something else?
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
cac: The two ways Desmond could get to the island would by by air or by sea. Since the record was set over a century ago, so I don't think that it could be by air.
Why not by air?? There is always a billionare trying to "race around the world" in a hot air balloon (as I mentioned earlier)... Fosset, Branson... And what record was set over a century ago?
tze: Wasn't 11:15 the time that Sun was supposed to go out and get into the car at the airport?
Yes! I posted the same thing yesterday, though might have been a different thread. I'm glad you posted it here.
by: layla7072 (823 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 05, 2005
BEWARE: If you navigate around the pages you will see MAJOR spoilers for the next two episodes (I was not expecting there to be so much revealed in the pics and captions!).
Holy crap!!! I can't believe how much they show on that media site!
I know you put a major spoiler tag, Blue, and I'm all for spoilers, so I'm not complaining, just excited!
I can't wait for Wednesday night now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by: ataglance (22 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 22, 2005
I'm obviously a noob, but after skimming through much of this thread, I figure that this is the best place to offer up a few observations that are admittedly off the present topic. I earnestly hope you haven't already discussed the following ad nauseum, but if you have, my apologies. Just chalk it up to yet another new guy not knowing what's he talking about!
1. What were Desmond's exact words to jack about that race? I thought he said, "I'm preparing for a race around the world." If that's true, then it could be interpretted in many other punny ways. I didn't tape the show, so I have to work from memory and from what I read on these boards.
But if my memory is even fairly close, then maybe it's not a real race, but a personal race to contact many (or all) of the survivors presently on the island. Or even more plausible in my mind, maybe it is to prepare himself to deal with a (human) race that is around the world -- one involved in the genetic experimentation that you all have hit upon through your diligent research (extremely well-done, by the way. It certainly makes a whole lot of sense to me!) In other words, I'm not so sure the "race" Desmond was preparing for was a literal race that caused him to inadvertantly wind up on the island.
2. You are what you eat...or drink. Desmond gave Jack some of his water while at the stadium. I strongly believe this is not an incidental point. Desmond did not take a drink, himself. Only Jack had the water. Then, when Jack visits with Sarah in the hospital she tells him he smells. Because she says this more than once, I am convinced that this is not just cutsie little banter. Like just about every other line, this is significant too.
What if the "water" Jack drank was laced with something? And because Jack was sweating so much, he sweated part of it out in a way that others (or at the very least, Sarah) could smell it. Jack says he showered. I believe that. But whatever Jack drank was strong -- and made him smell. If true, then Desmond did this on purpose and may have indeed been planning for a (human, genetic-experimentation based) race on the other side of the world at the time of their stadium encounter. Now whether or not that water mixture is well-intended or ill-intended I'm not sure, though given that Locke was very calm at the conclusion of this episode when Desmond had a gun to his head, I'm betting we will learn that Desmond is not such a bad guy after all. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
3. Many, many pages back you were speculating about why Kate would want to head to Bali (or claim to.) I still don't know, but here is what did immediately occur to me: Bali is an anagram for "alibi" if you add an extra "I." And by now it is clear that each indivual's identity/ego is quite important (the "I") , in addition to the "eye" imagery being very significant.
I'll be the first to admit that this third point is reeeaaaalllllly far-fetched and that there is probably nothing to it; but hey, I thought I'd throw it out there anyway and be prepared to use the, "I'm just a silly lil' noobie" excuse and plead ignorance!
-ataglance
Oh, and for what it's worth, I do honestly tip my cap to all of you who have dug so deep into this show to unravel LOST's mystery. Well done.
by: ataglance (22 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 22, 2005
lol - fair enough, davis. I'll keep it short from now on!
Remember, I'm new at this! src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
I have another observation about the mural that concerns perspective. One arrow looks as if it is pointing through the wall while another is on the wall. Other objects are also of different perspectives. So, what if the stick figures that look upside down are actually lying down side by side? Perhaps, they are Adam and Eve in a cave? I still think that the large faces may be Danielle and the "Emeke."
Also - I think the area with the two stick figures and the words ARM and SICK is representative of the dark territory.
Ahhhhh...thanks LostinBlue. And thanks for the welcome.
I had forgotten about George.
Now as for the original intention of this thread...
Perhaps the title of the episode refers to Desmond. He came across very clearly as both a man of faith and science during his conversation with Jack.
(I did see this, reposted by MEandthesea: http://www.managementwisdom.com/teilcharmano.html but still think Desmond's connection to the title has merit and may even tie into the theories expressed within that link)
by: meredg (1962 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 01, 2005
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2. You are what you eat...or drink. Desmond gave Jack some of his water while at the stadium. I strongly believe this is not an incidental point. Desmond did not take a drink, himself. Only Jack had the water. Then, when Jack visits with Sarah in the hospital she tells him he smells. Because she says this more than once, I am convinced that this is not just cutsie little banter. Like just about every other line, this is significant too.
What if the "water" Jack drank was laced with something? And because Jack was sweating so much, he sweated part of it out in a way that others (or at the very least, Sarah) could smell it. Jack says he showered. I believe that. But whatever Jack drank was strong -- and made him smell.
I think there is something to this! I forgot Desmond gave water to Jack!!! Have any of you read the thread about HAARP by ledtear? Posted is a link to an article that mentions how low levels of chemicals can be released in a water supply and later can be triggered by the right frequency.
We've seen lots of water references. Perhaps they indicate something beyond the birthing symbolism. We've already seen Sun poison Jin's drinking water to keep him off the raft.
by: sawyerlost (576 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 22, 2005
Hey guys, I hope you all dont mind me coming in here as this is on of the few threads that are about LOST and trying to figure out the mystery.
I was wondering what you all thought about this and if someone else mentioned it im sorry...
I think maybe the eye= the island as Locke had once mentioned before so what is the sick next to it is the island make you sick and this is why Desmond is quarantined??
Also, can this "eye" the the meterorite mentioned by "A"?
by: marbalbc (924 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 04, 2004
Hi folks. Late to the party as always. I was going to say that Desmond may have arrived on the island via sailboat, and that he may have a connection to Kate as she said that she used to race sailboats, or something to that effect.
I dropped by to share a link to a thread that suggests a possible connection to the symbolism of the 'phoenix' that appears on Des' shirt.
by: Atl_Jen (266 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 20, 2005
Boy were you guys busy over the weekend! I came back to 8 new pages of posts on this thread!
Ataglance - love the water theory! Very interesting!
Something else has been bothering me... I know we are still fuzzy on the timeline, but lets say the wedding was 4 years before the crash, and the accident was just over 2 years before that. Right? So Jack saw Desmond in the stadium over 6 years ago, for maybe of 5 or 10 minutes when they were talking...
So how did he recognize him so quickly?? I mean, if I had a conversation with a stranger for 10 minutes 6 or 7 years ago, I really doubt that I would immediately recognize him. I might think hmmm, that person looks vaguely familiar... but for jack to instantly say "you?!" when he sees Desmond....
I think he must have had another interaction with him since the stadium.
by: marbalbc (924 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 04, 2004
I agree they probably met up again more than once, (and it may have been a friendship that turned sour).
Of course, it's possible that Jack just remembers him because of the circumstances of that day....Des asked of him...You don't believe in miracles?....then a miracle happened.
by: daviscbls (118 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
I think he must have had another interaction with him since the stadium.
Thoughts?
Yes, that definately sounds possible. I see people all the time who I've met before and I've no idea where or what they're called. Of course it could just be 'old timers desease' as my son calls it.
by: tzedaka (419 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
***Here is an interesting thread with pictures that connects Claire's boyfriend's art to the hatch mural:***
Hence Claire's psychic scared to death about Claire's baby... he sees evil ...perhaps Thomas is related to another Lostie or the evil DNA plan...
Random ramblings on Claire....the Pilot wasnt chatting up Claire for no reason. Seems he was too invested in the conversation. I'm married to a pilot and they don't just chat up women for no reason - lol ( Claire being pregnant isn't hit-on material- the prime reason for chat!! ). He survived for hours and then was eaten?He reactions and reaching for the transmitter was so 'pointed'. It seemed planned. I am leaning towards being part of the plan. He got the plane there after all src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Something connects all the losties..and Claire's Thomas and his spawn might be her connection. Some say Claire is the next to die as they didn't touch on her or the baby at all on the recap for new viewers...but the picture is important so maybe Claire isn't the one to go ???
by: dad_of_4_ (2114 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Aug 05, 2005
tried to search this through the thread - didn't find anything....
Looking up Bucky fuller and domes -
Turns out the first company to manufacture Geodesic structures was Beech Aircraft -
In 1944, the United States suffered a serious housing shortage. Government officials knew that Fuller had developed a prototype single family dwelling which could be produced rapidly, using the same equipment which had previously built war-time airplanes. They could be "installed" anywhere, the way a telephone is installed, and with little additional difficulty. When one official flew to Wichita, Kansas to see this house, which Beech Aircraft and Fuller built, the man reportedly gasped, "My God! This is the house of the future!"
Soon, unsolicited checks poured in from people who wanted to purchase this new kind of house, but Fuller was never able to get it into full production. This was due to many obsticles such as only union contractors were able to hook the houses up to water, power and sewers in many cities. However, because the houses were already wired and had the plumbing installed by the aircraft company, many construction trade unions made it clear that they would not work on the houses. There were also in-house differences between Fuller and the stockholders. Fuller did not feel the house design was complete; there were problems he wanted to fix. But the stockholders wanted to move ahead. However, the main obstruction was obtaining the financing for the tooling costs, which were purposfully not included in the negotiations with Beech. No bank would finance the project with union problems and stockholder battles.
After the war, Fuller's efforts focused on the problem of how to build a shelter which is so lightweight, it can be delivered by air. Shelter should be mobile which would require great breakthroughs in the weight-reduction of the materials. Technology would have to follow nature's design as seen by the spider's web which can float in a hurricane because of its high strength-to-weight ratio. New shelter would have to be designed that incorporates these principles and that was Fuller's intent.
by: ataglance (22 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 22, 2005
How lightweight?
Perhaps some kind of plane able to hover/fly at low speeds or even a helicopter could have set it in place.
Of course, given the depth of the secrecy and conspiracy that has apparently taken place on this island, I'm not sure why this structure couldn't have been built right on the island.
by: chelle309 (33 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
So, the fact that this dome is underground means it was brought in in pieces and assembled? It must have been installed after the initial underground area was completed. How far does the surrounding cement/rock structure go?
Wow, could the island be nothing more than a facade for what it contains? In other words, what percentage is nature made compared to man made? I have a feeling we've only seen a peek.
by: Atl_Jen (266 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 20, 2005
How lightweight?
Perhaps some kind of plane able to hover/fly at low speeds or even a helicopter could have set it in place.
Of course, given the depth of the secrecy and conspiracy that has apparently taken place on this island, I'm not sure why this structure couldn't have been built right on the island.
The dome was successfully adopted for specialized industrial use, like the 1958 Union Tank Car Company dome near Baton Rouge, Louisiana and specialty buildings like the Henry Kaiser dome, auditoriums, weather observatories, and storage facilities. The dome was soon breaking records for covered surface, enclosed volume, and construction speed. Leveraging the geodesic dome's stability, the US Air Force experimented with helicopter-deliverable units. ... The basic structure erects very quickly with a small crew, and light-weight pieces. Domes as large as fifty meters have been constructed in the wilderness from rough materials without a crane. The dome is also aerodynamic, so it withstands considerable wind loads, such as those created by hurricanes. Solar heating is possible by placing an arc of windows across the dome: the more heating needed the wider the arc should be, to encompass more of the year.
Many companies exist today that sell both dome plans and frame material with instruction designed simply enough for owners to build themselves,
So maybe the government flew it here... and it was assembled here.
by: jbbrennan (86 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005
Just a quick post before I run off to new job.
My GO research has consisted of buying the game and trying to play it. Honestly, Desmond would HAVE to be alone in that dome because playing GO with another person makes you want to kill that person. I'm sure this has been mentioned before but the main objective in GO is to capture territories. Black territories for black chips and white territories for white chips, you protect your territory by creating "eyes" inside it that make it uncapturable. OK, that's my GO research in a nutshell.
Maybe all the fish in the mural are suggesting "eat the fish, don't eat the boar meat!" Or, something like that, wasn't there a line of thought waaaay back that suggested that "something" could have been introduced to the Losties via the boar meat that Locke caught? --jasmine
by: kagergone (691 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 23, 2005
Another way of looking at some of the recently posted thoughts----what if the "hatch" was not carried to and built/constructed on the island? What is the island is "built" around the hatch to disguise it, hide it, protect it, whatever. I'm trying to say that they (whoever "they" are) did not build the hatch on the island. They built the island on the hatch.
Just another view from a muddled mind!
ME--are you seriously going to try to decipher that "code" (if it's "real" you and some others here could do it in no time, if it's fake, wow, what a waste of time and brains) Just curious
by: dad_of_4_ (2114 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Aug 05, 2005
I didn't put this up but your comments made me remember this...
One of the key benefits of geodisic domes is climate control...
Hyper efficient when it come to heating and cooling...
So the dome is there perhaps to provide a climate control for the computers and electronics...
Prevent water damage and humidity control etc....
Domes purpose is to provide control within an existing cave or excavation site not necessarily shelter....
A way to seal off that section, cheaply, quickly and effectively without using concrete, cement, steel, etc which would be more difficult to construct and transport.....
So here's my hypothesis....
During WWII there any island in the pacific was occupied or utilized for the Pacific war effort...
So we have GI's storming or using the island at some point....
Someone finds the caves, like the one's the losties are using (Adam/Eve) and also the more developed cave system that is now part of the Hatch and it's tunnels....
The Hatch System is part of some Cold War effort to monitor Soviets and or Chinese during the Cold War, an early detection system post (pre satelite)
Then we get more sophisticated and the Hatch maintains its use through the 70's....During the 70's we get more satelite and other systems in place, Hatch complex becomes unnecessary redundant and then we have the fall of the Soviet bloc and end of cold war...Hatch complex is abandoned....
Known but unutilized....
Then some private contractors see a use for it...Sundadco or EvilKidneyCorp.....
by: LostinBlue (2434 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
I think it is possible that the stadium conversation may be the only interaction that Jack and Desmond may have had.
The time period around the chat was a very significant time for Jack. Sarah, her accident, Jack's out-of-character promise to "fix her," and then her "impossible" recovery. Jack's belief system was shaken. In the middle of all of this is an odd conversation with an almost mystical man. He is not forgettable, with his words and accent.
Desmond and Jack may have had other interactions, but I think it is totally possible that Jack would remember Desmond after only one meeting.
by: dad_of_4_ (2114 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Aug 05, 2005
That may be the only time Jack may have spoken with Desmond but I'll bet Jack sought him out after that....
May be just me but if I had a conversation with someone about miracles and then one happened....
SAS I'd run right back out and ask the guy "How did you know? What did you know? What did you do?"
I'd ask my nurses, "Anyone with a Scottish Accent come through here?"
"I'm intense" right?
Think he just says, "Oh what a coincidence" and then files it in the recycle bin....Not Jack....If there's a dead horse laying there, he's going to beat it...
by: LostinBlue (2434 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
Then we get more sophisticated and the Hatch maintains its use through the 70's....During the 70's we get more satelite...
I've been thinking about Danielle's underground shelter and now the hatch. Perhaps they are underground and disguised from prying eyes or sensors from above.
Now with Joe Citizen being able to Google up most of the world, maybe more things will be going underground.
by: tzedaka (419 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
My GO research has consisted of buying the game and trying to play it.,,,
I love the game theory... the territories for sure ( what else do you need if you have everything...more than what the next guy has) wealthy people playing with their (s) pawns being engineered to win..
Eyes are a very big thing in lost, black and white, rich people financing, Desmond's race around the world to round up the (s) pawns.
Could that special watch be how Sun's daddy needs hopes to win the game? That watch is too highlighted to just highlight character angst.
by: tzedaka (419 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
did you also see the picture on top of French lady's poem site? Has the numbers, jacks tatoo with a quesiton mark in the middle, some french words, english words.. the arrow pointing between #23 and #42... ( Jack and Ana)...something is up with that...
Interesting... Also the date August 15, 1988-- there is a calendar...
by: kagergone (691 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 23, 2005
did you also see the picture on top of French lady's poem site? Has the numbers, jacks tatoo with a quesiton mark in the middle, some french words, english words.. the arrow pointing between #23 and #42... ( Jack and Ana)...something is up with that...
Interesting... Also the date August 15, 1988-- there is a calendar...
by: tzedaka (419 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
I don't know much about the french lady..other than last season she put a poem out before each episode that gave clues about the upcoming eppie. The titles of the poems were anagrams... also a clue...the latest is above in the spoiler space.
She seemed pretty accurate...although the poem was not a clue to the deeper meaning of the island the new drawing above has some interesting things thta point to the mural stuff, the numbers etc.
I don't know if this thread was the proper place to put it... but it deals with episodes and now the drawing on top seems interesting and the calendar with the 8/15 with the addition of 1988 seems important--- for greater minds than mine to figure out.
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Of course, it's possible that Jack just remembers him because of the circumstances of that day....Des asked of him...You don't believe in miracles?....then a miracle happened.
I think this is TOTALLY the case. that was a special circumstance - a key moment in Jack's life... that whole day... from the ER room, until the minute Sarah said she could feel her toes. I'll bet Jack has every moment from that day etched into his memory.
kager: ME--are you seriously going to try to decipher that "code" (if it's "real" you and some others here could do it in no time, if it's fake, wow, what a waste of time and brains) Just curious
by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
Lark: Pikture, are you going to post your stuff?? The suspense is killing me!
I've been wondering the same thing. I hope you caught my reply to you, Pik.
ME: Why not by air?? There is always a billionare trying to "race around the world" in a hot air balloon (as I mentioned earlier)... Fosset, Branson... And what record was set over a century ago?
To fly non-stop around the world in a balloon was one of aviation's last great challenges - a challenge that was finally met on March 20, 1999 by Bertran Piccard of Switzerland and Brian Jones of Britain. On this site, you can delve into the history of science and ballooning, follow the attempts of earlier balloonists to make the round-the-world flight, and more.
Nova Scotian Joshua Slocum, master mariner, set sail from Boston on April 24, 1895. He arrived home on July 3, 1898, the first person to sail alone around the world.
ataglance, that's a good point about the water making Jack smell. Welcome to the board.
Blue, the red arrow that you see as pointing toward the wall, I see as a red shirt, possibly representing Boone or everyone who's died.
I think the similarity between the mural and Thomas' paintings is more significant than the same real-life artist making them. It could mean that Claire painted the mural, but I prefer to attribute it to some psychic connection between the artists.
sawyerlost: I think maybe the eye= the island as Locke had once mentioned before so what is the sick next to it is the island make you sick and this is why Desmond is quarantined??
Also, can this "eye" the the meterorite mentioned by "A"?
This is just as possible as anything else. Welcome to the thread.
Thanks for the info on the Buckydomes, Dad. I knew a little of that, but not that it was connected to the Beechcraft. I wonder if the geodesic dome was installed in the old mining tunnels at the beginning of military construction to give them a safe place to live while the rest of the complex was being built. Even once the room around it was finished, they left the dome in place, perhaps to protect the computers as was suggested yesterday.
Jasmine, I love your GO research. Good luck with the new job!
Dad, I like your history, but you need to add in a little Montauk to account for all the unusual goings on on the island.
tze: Interesting... Also the date August 15, 1988-- there is a calendar...
Is this on the French Lady's page? I don't see it. Wasn't that the day that Kate and Tom recorded the tape for the time capsule? It's also 16 years ago, probably the date when Danielle, Lenny & Sam heard the fateful numbers.
by: anahlawg (37 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 02, 2005
Where are we? This place must make fort knox and weathertop jealous.Slowly going thru Jack's tour it becomes apparent some major construction happened here.Going down the hatch the seams between sections can be seen so was pre constructed sections pieced together.Were the caves and tunnels natural or carved?Don't know.There is alot of thick concrete,steel parts which are huge and look to be machined for precision and the frame sections of the dome are angle iron.Panels are quite solid.When Desmond fired his gun he aimed for the vent probably because the bullet would not have pierced anywhere else and just bounced around.The area where it looks as though it was purposely sealed up (scorched) is part of the dome frame.Now I'm wondering if it is the base of the dome or is this a true dome.Is the structure round and more is underneath.I'm almost convinced there are more levels. The steel sections are truly fascinating.Look to be machined for what.An accelerator,engine,vault.What? As dad said where is the runway?dock?
Feel free to do as you please with them.First time I've tried this so any constructive criticism welcome as I would like to know how to vastly improve the pix.
Edit:where does this fit into titles.I'm a man of science.The mural just gives me a headache.
by: LostinBlue (2434 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
Just a minute detail: I re-watched the operating room scene (determined to see the 1997 that another poster alluded to) and I noticed that the hospital gown or sheet underneath the blue papery sheets on Sarah had stars and planets on it.
by: cutieflys (1 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 01, 2005
Oh wow, I had only heard of the title to the first eppie. As usual, these threads are a source of incredible knowledge!!
Remember that Charlie is a man of faith, too. I know the episode will have more to do with Jack, but thematically the eppies do tend to overlap with more than one character. We did after all leave poor Charlie with a heroin-stuffed Virgin Mary in the finale...
I'm pretty sure the Virgin Mary was there b/c he wanted to pray or something. I mean, seriously, why would he take that when he only wanted the heroine inside???
It's like breaking into a piggy bank for the money inside. So, would YOU take both the piggy bank and the money or just stuff the money in your pants? Yah....
I read this earlier in a thread about another topic. I didn't want it to get lost and I hope the poster doesn't mind me re-posting it. Interesting stuff.
Posted: Sep 23 @ 11:19 PM by: evanw60 (2 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 23, 2005
I don't know if this has been mentioned before, I've searched and haven't found anything on it, but I'm absolutely 100% positive that the set of numbers is a reference to the Conet Project. It's a box set of recordings of short wave numbers stations released on cd. A little more info? Sure.
From it's www.allmusic.com entry: "But what are numbers stations, you might ask. They are radio stations that can be heard on the shortwave band. Unlike regular SW stations, they don't have call letters and are not registered -- in fact, no government in the world is even willing to acknowledge their existence, even though anyone with a SW radio can tune in to them, either willingly or by accident. These stations transmit Morse signals; melodic fragments; strings of numbers (hence their nickname) spoken by male, female, and artificial voices; and other strange noises. They are believed to be means by which intelligence services communicate with spies (since tuning in to a shortwave frequency leaves no trace, unlike receiving e-mails or phone calls), and there is a worldwide network of station spotters attempting to decipher and unmask these mystery stations and their cryptic transmissions."
My guess is that's how Sam Toomey originally heard the numbers.
by: shakespearehead (177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 10, 2005
...What if the "water" Jack drank was laced with something? And because Jack was sweating so much, he sweated part of it out in a way that others (or at the very least, Sarah) could smell it. Jack says he showered. I believe that. But whatever Jack drank was strong -- and made him smell. If true, then Desmond did this on purpose and may have indeed been planning for a (human, genetic-experimentation based) race on the other side of the world at the time of their stadium encounter. Now whether or not that water mixture is well-intended or ill-intended I'm not sure, though given that Locke was very calm at the conclusion of this episode when Desmond had a gun to his head, I'm betting we will learn that Desmond is not such a bad guy after all. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> ...
ataglance, great observation! I believe you're right on with this one.
by: guidosindisguise (387 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 25, 2005
hi src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Cac had wanted to see the canadian promo and somone has found the link to it. it's in this thread src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
cac: ME: Why not by air?? There is always a billionare trying to "race around the world" in a hot air balloon (as I mentioned earlier)... Fosset, Branson... And what record was set over a century ago?
To fly non-stop around the world in a balloon was one of aviation's last great challenges - a challenge that was finally met on March 20, 1999 by Bertran Piccard of Switzerland and Brian Jones of Britain. On this site, you can delve into the history of science and ballooning, follow the attempts of earlier balloonists to make the round-the-world flight, and more.
But that still doesn't really answer my question. Why not by balloon/air? I'm not sure about how your response answers that? Fosset and Brason both tried after 1999, didn't they? There's always a record to break... or the desire to do it just because you can and have the money to do it, even if it's already been done. A different type of balloon... doing it faster, at a higher altitude... so many variables...
I guess I'm not quite sure of your explaination of why Desomd wouldn't have gotten there by air? I'm not saying it WAS by air - could very well have been boat... but I'm not sure how air can be ruled out. Can you explain more about your thinking on it? I really am interested.
by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
ME, the first time anyone went around the world in a balloon was in 1999. There was no record for around the world ballooning before 1999 and Ada said that a record had been set over a century ago. That's why I ruled out ballooning. 100 years ago, nothing in the air was setting circumnavigational records because nothing was capable of flying anywhere near that far.
Now, I think I just made a HUGE discovery in the painting. Below the 108 that's outside the sun/meteorite/crater, there is something written. I think it says MY ALEX.
Does this mean that the painting was painted, at least partially, by Danielle, Robert or the person who took Alex?
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
cac: ME, the first time anyone went around the world in a balloon was in 1999. There was no record for around the world ballooning before 1999 and Ada said that a record had been set over a century ago. That's why I ruled out ballooning. 100 years ago, nothing in the air was setting circumnavigational records because nothing was capable of flying anywhere near that far.
I'll have to go back and re-read Ada's post. I didn't know she was making a reference to specifically how he got on the island - I thought she was just tossing out possibilities. But I might have mis-read.... or missed that post entirely. Was it in this thread?
I think I saw a post from Songline fairly recently... though sort of popping in and out.
Cac, I did finally get something back to my go mail saying that the email couldn't be sent to your AOL... or gomail was "giving up".
cac: Now, I think I just made a HUGE discovery in the painting. Below the 108 that's outside the sun/meteorite/crater, there is something written. I think it says MY ALEX.
Oh yeah! I did see those lines, but noted that they weren't the same as the tally marks, but yet were so close to them as if to camuflage. Good catch!
by: anahlawg (37 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 02, 2005
Cac-sorry again.Learning curve.Was set to private.Please do try again.
FYI-scopes.One on left is a tektronix 517 and on right is Tektronix 502.The 502 (right) shows a lissajous pattern used to id a specific frequency and for tuning purposes.Could be for the transmitter.517 (left)may be monitoring power.Sinewave (with a nasty spike) Its either slowed down or is a very low frequency.Could be the base frequency for the lissajous.Someone somewhere mentioned the tapes in the computer room and that one of them could be the continuous iteration loop.Also the fact that there are tapes would indicate that the area in the dome is magnetically shielded.
by: jbbrennan (86 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005
cac: Now, I think I just made a HUGE discovery in the painting. Below the 108 that's outside the sun/meteorite/crater, there is something written. I think it says MY ALEX
Hmmm, excellant spot! I look at that and see "I'm Alex" though (once I started looking for Alex) I just can't imagine Danielle creating a painting, she just seems too drab and...well...insane.
Question for all the PIPE EXPERTS on the thread. That pipe with the gauge on it, (in Anah's excellant screencaps) is that a steam pipe? Or, a water pipe? If it's a steam pipe that would explain where all the rain comes from when the "monster" appears and the whistling-kettle sound that sometimes precedes it.
--jasmine
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by: jbbrennan (86 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005
I guess I've decided that "excellent" is spelled "excellant".
I had this glorious vision of Desmond bringing in that colossal washer/dryer set in the basket of a hot air balloon, along with jars of canned peaches, Downey and tide. The balloon starts to lose altitude, time to jettison ballast! Desmond yells: "No! Not the maraschino cherries!"
Since we've all break cracking our skulls over the physical ways poor Des could have arrived on the island...how about the Metaphysical ways?
Assuming that Walt is no longer on the island, how he managed to appear to Shannon would be one of the metaphysical ways. Outside of Walt, the other metaphysical appearance was Christian, and he was dead.
Well, I don't think Des is dead, plus if dead had very much to do with it, how come the marshall isn't chasing Kate up and down the beach in white sneakers? --jasmine
by: anahlawg (37 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 02, 2005
Jbbrennan-thanks.I wish I could get the same quality as on my screen.Have some other software to try. Paintings like that always make me think the artist is a little unorganized upstairs The my alex clue and if the transmissions are from the computer room then Danielle has been here and also if this is the source for the transmission,Danielle said tower is up by the black rock.Is the BR above and if so is there an entrance being hidden by or through the BR? Wish I could get a close look at the main equipment racks and whats in them.
by: jbbrennan (86 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005
Paintings like that always make me think the artist is a little unorganized upstairs The my alex clue and if the transmissions are from the computer room then Danielle has been here and also if this is the source for the transmission,Danielle said tower is up by the black rock.Is the BR above and if so is there an entrance being hidden by or through the BR?
Well, I went back and looked at the painting again. This is the version I am looking at:
I was looking at it trying to see if I could tell if a crazy person painted it. Well, I can't but something else sort of jumped out at me.
That big long thing that goes behind the pyramid, and up behind the "white" woman's head and ends in what looks like leaves or flowers behind her head, looks to me like it is a picture of the tower. Yes, it does.
Why? Because it looks just like the thing that is peeking through the back wall of the buckydome as Jack slinks past.
by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
Jasmine, I think they're steam pipes, but I'm not a plumber. They're definitely too large to be supplying Des' shower.
Anah, I finally saw them. Thanks.
Ada,
I have a technical question: Has the shaft of the hatch grown since Exodus? Last season, Jack comfortably filled his side, but in the new episode, I noticed that he'd have to stretch out his arms to reach the edges. Also, Locke's side used to look wider, but now Jack's does.
by: LostinBlue (2434 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
I posted this outside the thread but thought you guys would love to look at the first link (in bold):
WHOA! Excellent thorough examination of the hatch layout and contents Posted: Sep 26 @ 08:26 PM by: LostinBlue (1236 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005 Great, great work! A lot of clear screen caps showing objects in hatch. Also proves it was Desmond at the beginning: http://www.livejournal.com/users/lostanswers/340.html
by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
I didn't realize that the mural was in the 'foyer' to Desmond's 'home.' I thought it was further down the hall, but clearly that's where it is. It's the first thing Desmond (and his guests) would see upon entering. Maybe it IS a map to the underground complex.
Painting over couch... (Anonymous) 2005-09-27 05:12 (link) My brother is quite obsessed with thhis mystery and he enlisted my help on the subject. The painting is of a Joshua Tree Monument rock formation. Joshua Tree Monument is just NE of Palm Springs, near L.A. Hope it helps!
Didn't we have a Palm Springs connection in the box that Kate and Tom buried?
by: SmidgeInNH (576 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 29, 2005
Anah, in your pictures, under Structure, picture 5, what is the small box with two lights, one red and one green? It reminds me of the large industrial garage door openers, where you hit the green light with the palm of your hand to open the door and the red light to close it.
by: tzedaka (419 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
Quote: Assuming that Walt is no longer on the island, how he managed to appear to Shannon would be one of the metaphysical ways. Outside of Walt, the other metaphysical appearance was Christian, and he was dead.
How Walt and the Daddy appeared from the French Ladies Poem drawing-- it rains and the monster comes...sometimes scary and sometimes " the most beautiful thing I've ever seen" ?
I really need to disagree with some of these maps... I watched the episode again last night, and I think the computer terminal you see in the beginning is NOT the same as the one in the dome. If you watch the epi again, you can see Desmond hops out of bed and basically right to the terminal - he didnt go through the kitchen and all and into the dome. I think there are 2 seperate terminals. One in his living quarters, and one in the dome.
Also, Desmond uses a series of mirrors to look up the hatch, I dont think his living quarters are as close to the hatch as the maps make it seem. I think the entrance to the dome is closer to the hatch, and the living quarters are farther (reverse their locations on the map).
by: LIONARTist (2440 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 09, 2005
I hate to go off track here, and I hope it hasn't been discussed yet. But over in Plot there was a discussion about something Desmond asks Locke in the promo video for next week. He asks, "Are you him?". I remember someone discussing in this thread yesterday about "Lift it up" possibly being a code phrase that Desmond was hoping Jack knew. So what some are speculating is that Desmond believes someone on the plane is his replacement or at least a contact who is working for the same people he is. What do you think. If this is the case, who would you think is the real person desmond is looking for? I might go with Kate or maybe someone nobody would suspect, like Sayid.
by: brainsgonebad (102 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 25, 2005
Smidge: that is a small controller right next to the magnetic sealed doorway, where the buckets are.
Atl Jen: I agree with 2 terminals, like the one in the beginning is on the opposite site of the kitchen area, like a table up against the counter of the island, or that little "bracket" line by the weight bench. Jack DOES come from the way the map shows, and misses a left-turn (somewhat backwards) into Desmond's quarters, to the left of the mural.
I think the scope looks down to the "north" of the magnetic door, at a mirror, which reflects back to the hatch entrance via a few more rotatable mirrors. Probably 3 total mirrors (besides one on ground at the bottom of the hatch).
Desmond triggers that far "north" mirror, to distract Jack that way (away from the apartment entrance), and triggers the bright light to rotate around and shine. He ducks "north", into the geodome.
by: chelle309 (33 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
I remember someone discussing in this thread yesterday about "Lift it up" possibly being a code phrase that Desmond was hoping Jack knew.
I was one of the people speculating on this. Yeah, the more I watch it the more I think it's a memory trigger of some kind.
I haven't seen the promo, but if that's the case, it looks like they want us to think it's Locke. Because of all of his "this is my destiny" talk. But that would be too obvious.
What about Ana-Lucia? Like you said, Sayid would be good, especially with his military training.
Maybe he's asking Locke if he's the one that was pounding on the hatch when he turned the light on?
by: LostinBlue (2434 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
There were screen caps showing the same coffee mug beside the terminal we see at the beginning of the episode beside the terminal we see during Jack's exploration of the dome in the hatch. I think it is the same terminal.
Also, Desmond uses the wheeled chair to roll from his bedroom area, past the kitchen and into the dome to the terminal. There is a screen cap kind of showing it here: http://www.livejournal.com/users/lostanswers/340.html
by: LostinBlue (2434 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
Painting over couch... (Anonymous) 2005-09-27 05:12 (link) My brother is quite obsessed with thhis mystery and he enlisted my help on the subject. The painting is of a Joshua Tree Monument rock formation. Joshua Tree Monument is just NE of Palm Springs, near L.A. Hope it helps!
Didn't we have a Palm Springs connection in the box that Kate and Tom buried?
Excellent. I thought so. Here is my post from another thread:
by: sassafras__k (45 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 08, 2005
Hi everyone--just popping in to comment on something ME mentioned a few pages back.
ME-I saw that you had noticed that the pentagon around Desmonds symbol on his shirt was "over and around it". When I saw it I noticed the same thing and Im pretty sure that was how one of the symbols on Wal'ts life jacket was also. that is what it reminded me of the instant I saw it. Maybe a screen cap comparison is needed. I don't know how to pull up links or anything. i will leave that to you more board knowledgeable posters. Maybe I was just hallucinating.
-Underground facility, maybe started from natural cavern (or lava tube, on the island) but further excavated -Hatch(es) of similar dimensions -- 4' by 6' by 33' -Some kind of experimental facility (Soudan dealing with particle accelerators and dark matter / neutrinos) -Produced "unforseen" byproducts -Octagons involved -both had MURALs!! -facilities like this have been built worldwide, over the last 50 YEARS, so could have older computer equipment in some
Maybe the island's underground facility is loosely based on something like this. Perhaps, if there was a meteor (or volcanic upwelling of "special" rock from the earth's core), this was used to enhance a Soudan-type experiment. But maybe it made it go out of control, or have drastic, unforseen effects.
by: 042078 (1117 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
Cac, I'm no Ada, but the hatch has definitely changed since Exodus. The ladder alone is completely different. That is when I get frustrated, since we have been told "Everything you see is important"...but then they do things like move the hatch from a dry riverbed to where it is now...and change the hatch design in the summertime.
Rant over! You guys are doing an amazing job in here. I keep reading, thinking I'll have something to add...but then someone else says what I was gonna say src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Keep up the good work!
by: dad_of_4_ (2114 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Aug 05, 2005
coincidence - or am I looking at the screen for too long...
While back - after Outlaws aired this summer...posted to Javi over at the lage -
I asked is Sawyer on a "Fool's Journey" or a "Hero's Journey"
Weeks pass nada...Checked today and he states that he (javi) feels that everyone is on a hero's journey but that he has always been a fan of Joseph Campbell...
by: ELMIRAGE (118 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 08, 2004
Hello all, I've been following the thread ,but have been unable to post again till now. I think Des is a twin, therefore he could be in two places at once. that would explain a lot about the clues presented. clean vs. dirty stadium vs. hatch etc. by the way great research to all of you. I also think Des shown the light on Locke the first time just so he could see who was pounding .(it was dark) the second time as well to watch what Kate was doing. EL
by: love2scuba (77 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 14, 2005
I haven't made it through all the pages here, but wanted to ask if anyone else has noticed this. Everytime I look at the mural I see this first.
The white arrow going up combined with the stack of paint bottles or whatever at the bottom look like steps going up a pyramid with the point of the arrow being the top of the pyramid.
by: Way2Lost (4 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 31, 2005
Jack has several women to clear up! He was smitten with Kate the first time he saw her even before he even asked her to stitch him up. Seemed very single then and not even rebounding. I wonder if his father retaliated against him for ending his career and broke up his marriage? Maybe he fled to AU and never got to apologize for it before he passed.
Also, Before the crash he made a connection with 42F girl at the bar. He bought her a drink after all and they both promised each other another one on the plane. She is slated to be the new star this season and if she wasn't part of the manifest that had to pick up the pieces in season one like everyone else, then chances are she's associated with Desmond and the like in the hatch. I think that she and Desmond must have purposely crashed the plane vs. any kind of mechanical/weather malfunction to invite them to their weird island to feed off there strengths and weaknesses. I bet the urgent phone call she got while flirting with Jack in the bar was from Desmond trying to get final plans in place.
by: Lost_in_BC (64 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jul 02, 2005
I remember someone discussing in this thread yesterday about "Lift it up" possibly being a code phrase that Desmond was hoping Jack knew.
I was one of the people speculating on this. Yeah, the more I watch it the more I think it's a memory trigger of some kind.
I haven't seen the promo, but if that's the case, it looks like they want us to think it's Locke. Because of all of his "this is my destiny" talk. But that would be too obvious.
What about Ana-Lucia? Like you said, Sayid would be good, especially with his military training.
Maybe he's asking Locke if he's the one that was pounding on the hatch when he turned the light on?
Hurley........ It totally makes sence he is the "him" that Desmond is waiting for. Hurley opened the box and set something into motion when he used those numbers.
by: brainsgonebad (102 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 25, 2005
No more takers on the Soudan URL? You should read it. It's pretty interesting, and there's a chance that the hatch / magnetic facility is loosely based on it. Mural, octagons, hatches, and all!
by: ELMIRAGE (118 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 08, 2004
Hurley........ It totally makes sence he is the "him" that Desmond is waiting for. Hurley opened the box and set something into motion when he used those numbers.
-LI*BC
hey BC, I agree about Hugo. he is the reason for everything. EL
by: brainsgonebad (102 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 25, 2005
I know it's been said before, but this whole place down there (so far that we've seen) seems very bio-sphere-ish. Fake light in the fake windows in the apartment, fake "terrarium" look behind the non-broken panes in the geodome, etc. Obviously built to mimic real life, for extended stays down there.
But I'm sure not built just to see who can live there the longest. I'm sure there's a job or process going on down there that needs tending, like entering the numbers.
by: Atl_Jen (266 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 20, 2005
No more takers on the Soudan URL? You should read it. It's pretty interesting, and there's a chance that the hatch / magnetic facility is loosely based on it. Mural, octagons, hatches, and all!
Why is the Laboratory so far underground? MINOS and CDMS II are extremely sensitive instruments searching for particles that (at best) are very seldom seen. At ground level, naturally occurring cosmic rays strike the surface of the earth so often they could completely mask the rare effects these experiments seek. The half-mile or so of earth above the Lab blocks almost all these cosmic rays, providing a much quieter research environment. How big is the Laboratory? The MINOS cavern is 82 meters (270') long, 15 meters (50') wide, and 13 meters (40') high. The Soudan 2/CDMS II cavern is similar in shape but only 70 meters (230') long. The surrounding rock formation is not iron ore but actually Ely Greenstone, about 2.7 billion years old. Nearly 100,000 tons were excavated to build the lab - all hoisted to the surface, six tons at a time.
Thats a huge complex. I think the one Desmond is in has to be at least that big as well. Maybe not the same depth... unless we have only seen one level of what is ultimately a multilevel complex?
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Hello, everyon! I'm back from work and still catching up on your wonderful thoughts and info you've all found! Now, could you guys do me a favor and hold yours posts until I'm around and on the board so I don't miss so much and have so much to catch on? Yes? Ok, that's great! src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
JUST KIDDING! Of course! (well, sort of src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> ).
Seriously though, great stuff!
I still have more reading to catch up on, but just wanted to chime in to say I'm still here!
Could someone tell me just one thing - who is the French Lady that everyone has been talking about here lately... something about poems.... and why should we pay attention? I just haven't really heard of her, and no one here has every mentioned her here until just the past week - if she's been around for a while. I'm just curious as to what the story is.
Have to go eat... but will try to get back tonight. Keep up the great work!
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
mere: Any more thoughts on the whole water issue? Why so many water references? Was there something in the water Desmond gave Jack? etc.
mere, i posted the same question about Jack drinking out of Desmond's bottle back when I answered A's questions for this epi... and i think others have posted it since. Jack drank the water! Yikes!
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
jasmine: That big long thing that goes behind the pyramid, and up behind the "white" woman's head and ends in what looks like leaves or flowers behind her head, looks to me like it is a picture of the tower. Yes, it does.
is really cool and explains each step with movie tie-ins. You might want to give it a look. I looked at the Campbell site and thought it was very applicable in many ways. I think the fact that everything is connected is a major theme for the Lostaways.
On a side note, dad, I don't look at Benadryl anymore without thinking of you. It always brings a smile to my face! src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: LA5648 (773 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 05, 2005
posted on mommas boat and here- didn't want it to get lost -no pun intended amongst all the re posts of same info posts
but this has bugged me- the tale of 2 syringes Danielle- who allegedily was stranded there w/ her crew has a disposable syringe that has been reused- she cleans the burrs off of it b/f she used it on Syaid this makes sence- it could be used intravenous, intramuscular, or if skilled subcutaneously- as if this is what she packed for her trip and now she's making it last.
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=77&pos=253 But... Desmond uses a multidose vial on a auto injector this is a 30 ml vial- (I've never given or would i ever give 30 ml in one injection) think something that would be used for vaccines w/ military type innoculations. This would be used for large group use. But its just him and maybe a bunk mate in there as far as we can tell-- All you would change is the needle to innoculate a large group- and thats the other thing- Desmond didn't change the needle- now since it was (we suppose) him using it- safely one could use it 2x but he didn't even clean it- so how big of a supply does he have of them-The writers made such a show of Danielle cleanining the needle and removing the burrs that I cant think they just missed it w/ Desmond as a continuity error
so ---my supposition from this- Desmond and Danelle- not connected- or she'd have some of his stuff
and the vial was a vaccine cause every time i see that injection device I think innoculate w/ vaccines- i cant associate it w/ injection of any medication that would be given IM- any antibiotic wouldn't be stable enough when reconstituted to be used in a multiple injection vial of 30cc to make it practical for a drug co/ or someone who purchases drugs and he didn't reconstiute the medication b/f delivering his dose
forgive all spelling - typing fast - puting my flag in the sand!
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
dad, haven't explored the Cambell site yet, but clicked on the link and the geodisic dome on the main page, and the fact that the theme is that everything is connected can't be coincidence.
by: 042078 (1117 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
Hey, LA, I don't know if this helps you at all, but Mr. 042078 is diabetic and uses the same needle without cleaning it at least 4 or 5 times before switching to a new one. Less waste, less money, and his doc told him it was fine since it was just him using the needle.
by: LA5648 (773 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 05, 2005
thats exactly what i was thinking- i told my patients 2x but so scared of elderly, diabetic infections to err on the side of safety- so if i'm all alone on an island- underground- i'm thinking safety cause theirs not an ER near by if i screw up- but thats just me src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> and hey if its just you using the needle- why the big injector not the disposable syringes- or if its been a long time down there the glass/metal resusable ones that were used the day b/f AIDS and cheap plastics- I know that the needles used before the disposables and scares of needle sticks were used at least 50 x- so if you dont know when the next supply truck is coming wouldn't you use resuables not disposables-- so he knows that he's gonna get restocked- Danelle dosent
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by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
LA, I'm not seeing how that shows Desmond knows he's going to be restocked soon. Could you explain that again, please? On the contrary, I think Desmond's needle and vials are leftovers from the days when the base had a much larger population. That he's still using them shows that he doesn't receive regular shipments of supplies.
by: vampye (24 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 23, 2005
Don't we know that the Jack epi is about his wife? So maybe whatever happened to her caused jack to lose his faith...althought I gotta say it didn't look like he had much faith before the wedding, either.
I think Adrift is going to be about Michael...but that is just a hunch. He is the one of the 3 of them that seems to have been "adrift" at some point (besides the obvious drifting on the raft...) But I could also see them doing a Sawyer epi second, to start things right and get the bad Jack taste out of our mouth... src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>(sorry, just being snarky)
Episode 2.02: Adrift Airdate: September 28, 2005
* 09/22 - Harold revealed that though the second episode was supposed to be Sawyer-centric, they changed it to be one that focuses on his character, Michael, because "it goes along better with what's going on in the show." This week's episode is "more of my backstory. You know, the first episode, we weren't there, so then it just picks up right where we left off, so it's mostly about Walt."
by: OneisLost (98 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004
I was doing some research on the metaphysical because one of the questions what how people could have arrived there in that way and I came across this. Don't remember if it's been shown or discussed here before.
It kind of ties in with a lot of things that seem to be going on.
Will look for some more info on it.
*giggle* Cac will like this link. It's got great pics and you can even purchase your own time travel machine. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
One of One's links led me to a page about channeled art:
Visionary Art is about the expression of a soul through a form of art - by creating themes and messages brought forth in a manner one can perceive of as channeling. It is an extension of automatic writing. ... Channeled art often speaks to the artist - and those who view it - as messages from another entity or another aspect of the artist's consciousness.
Channeled art is an expression of personal transformation and emotional need - or collective changes going on within the universe that call to us and need to be expressed in a work of art. It should not always be judged on merit - but on interpretation - the messages brought forth to the artist perhaps for humanity.
Many artists create their own style while doing channeled art. It is about messages - personal and universal. ... Channeled art often falls under the heading of therapy and is good for the person as a means of expressing their inner turmoil for clearing. The final product is not determined until the artist completes their project and analysizes what has been created. For example - people with emotional problems will paint or draw dark images - shapes without definition - expressing their confusion. One must know how to interpret the meaning of the art work.
Channeled art allows one to access the right side - intuitive side - of the brain - therefore it is an excellent tool for opening one's psychic abilities - meaning raising their frequency of thought. ... Some of the greatest works of art were created by artists channeling other entities. Many of these artists were not aware that they were channeling. Others called upon different entities to create different styles in their work. Still others went into altered states.
Could this mean that Jack will eventually save them all?
It's also a symbol of St. John the Apostle. Some highlights of his life were: - survived torture that should have killed him - being shipwrecked and assumed dead, only to return - provided fresh drinking water - raising the dead - curing the sick
The Joshua tree in the painting:
The Joshua tree provides a good indicator that you are in the Mojave Desert, but you may also find it growing next to a saguaro cactus in the Sonoran Desert in western Arizona or mixed with pines in the San Bernardino Mountains. ... By the mid-19th century, Mormon immigrants had made their way across the Colorado River. Legend has it that these pioneers named the tree after the biblical figure, Joshua, seeing the limbs of the tree as outstretched in supplication, guiding the travelers westward. Concurrent with Mormon settlers, ranchers and miners arrived in the high desert with high hopes of raising cattle and digging for gold. These homesteaders used the Joshua tree's limbs and trunks for fencing and corrals. Miners found a source of fuel for the steam engines used in processing ore.
Joshua was Moses' successor who led the army of Israel in battle after the Exodus.
It was Santa Rosa hospital that Emily was in, wasn't it?
Saint Rose of Viterbo also raised someone from the dead and is the patron saint of people in exile.
by: CluelessLost (6 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 09, 2005
I have been watching the DVD of the first season. What was it that Ada said about Rousseau's jacket? I zoomed in on the jacket and on the lower left corner there is a what looks to be a white house. It reminds me of Sam Toomey's house.
Has anyone else noticed this? I have a screenshot of Sam's house but can't find one of Rousseau's jacket.
by: LostinBlue (2434 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
Someone has a good up close shot of Rousseau's jacket. The same person who cut and pasted the mural together from different shots. Maybe terminus? Can't remember.
by: LA5648 (773 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 05, 2005
LA, I'm not seeing how that shows Desmond knows he's going to be restocked soon. Could you explain that again, please? On the contrary, I think Desmond's needle and vials are leftovers from the days when the base had a much larger population. That he's still using them shows that he doesn't receive regular shipments of supplies.
Well, If I knew my life depended on injections- and I didn't know when the next truck was coming, I'd conserve and reuse as much as was safe...I dont know how many days the multiinjection gun would still be good since it dosent seal back to be antimicrobial for long periods of time. I cant think it would be more than 24hrs. (b/c thats how long IV tubing can be safely used w/ intermitant use) It just seems like when he was "dropped off" he got a washer dryer and his stock for X amt of time so he knows he has enough to last his time there. Unlike Danielle who truely was stranded and uses her syringe again
by: chelle309 (33 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
Sorry to switch topics here, but if I don't get this out it will escape my brain and float out into the ether.
One of Ada's questions:
7. Think the vision through. What is Walt's condition? What is Walt signifying?
I think this was mentioned before, but he looked slimy, like a newborn baby. Is he signifying a rebirth? Maybe it's got to do with time? Is he starting over, in a weird sort of time loop?
by: Jerseylostfan (1279 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005
Hello, everyon! I'm back from work and still catching up on your wonderful thoughts and info you've all found! Now, could you guys do me a favor and hold yours posts until I'm around and on the board so I don't miss so much and have so much to catch on? Yes? Ok, that's great! src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
JUST KIDDING! Of course! (well, sort of src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> ).
Seriously though, great stuff!
I still have more reading to catch up on, but just wanted to chime in to say I'm still here!
Could someone tell me just one thing - who is the French Lady that everyone has been talking about here lately... something about poems.... and why should we pay attention? I just haven't really heard of her, and no one here has every mentioned her here until just the past week - if she's been around for a while. I'm just curious as to what the story is.
Have to go eat... but will try to get back tonight. Keep up the great work!
I saw nobody responded ME so I'll tell you what I know. I didn't see anyone post here about it but last year people used to go visit her site where she would give cryptic clues hidden in poems. People were always debating if she was for real or just giving clues out that we already knew about. She was talked about on the Fuselage quite a bit. I didn't think much of her stuff, jmho. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> I think I still have the links if you want them.
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
I saw nobody responded ME so I'll tell you what I know. I didn't see anyone post here about it but last year people used to go visit her site where she would give cryptic clues hidden in poems. People were always debating if she was for real or just giving clues out that we already knew about. She was talked about on the Fuselage quite a bit. I didn't think much of her stuff, jmho. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> I think I still have the links if you want them.
Thanks for answering, Jersey! Naw, I guess I don't really want the links. I'll let you know if I do at some point though. I guess now that you explain it, it does sound vaguely familiar - I think I remember someone asking A. about the French Lady - asking if she was legit. From what I recall, sounded like A. didn't really know anything about her, which seemed to me to indicate that the French Lady is probably just a fan giving "clues" out that we already knew, or could easily sumize, not a legit "insider" sharing real clues and inside info. I guess that's why I put it out of my head, and why we never really got into her stuff here. There are definitely a lot of posers out there, it seems. Reminds me of that Tiberous from the lage, and all his "clues"... but he's not an insider either - just a fan who has a theory, but not even a correct one.
Anyway, thanks again for taking the time to answer me, Jersey! Very kind of you.
by: love2scuba (77 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 14, 2005
When Desmond was talking about healing and miracles and then said "lift it up", my first thought was he was telling Jack to lift up his vibration level in order to connect with a higher source in order to heal.
Some healers are taught to lift their vibration levels to connect to the source of chi or life force energy in order to channel the healing energy from the source to the person needing to be healed.
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
chelle: Ada: 7. Think the vision through. What is Walt's condition? What is Walt signifying?
I think this was mentioned before, but he looked slimy, like a newborn baby. Is he signifying a rebirth? Maybe it's got to do with time? Is he starting over, in a weird sort of time loop?
Yes, I said that same thing as far as looking like a newborn baby, and that he is signifying a rebirth. I think a few others might have posted that after me too (maybe they hadn't read my answers to A's questions that I posted last Thursday src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> ). Maybe it's not Walt's rebirth though - maybe it's the rebirth of Shannon... of Michael... of the Lostie's as a group.
A. also mentioned something else later about Walt's appearance... something he was able to do in that vision that would have come in handy when being chansed by a polar bear, and after taking another look - it looks like he could be levitating, or floating in air. It's hard to tell because it's night and the ground cover is high... so it's hard to know what is just covered by foliage, and what part of his legs or feet simply aren't there. I think I mentioned something about him maybe appearing to levitate or float, but don't know if anyone read it.
Walt's wet, "slimy" appearance reminded me of Michael's appearance in the last scene in Exodus 3... in the finale after he surfaced from the water after the explosion, when he was yelling to Walt as the boat drove away. I thought then that the water on Michael then sort of had a slimy appearance, as it dripped off Michael. Is Walt representing Michael? Is MIchael going through a rebirth? Was the vision o Walt because he is who Shannon, and Vincent, would be connect to, but the vision was intended to send a message to get help for Michael, Sawyer and Jin?
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
scuba: Some healers are taught to lift their vibration levels to connect to the source of chi or life force energy in order to channel the healing energy from the source to the person needing to be healed.
very interesting, scuba! I'm glad you shared this - not sure if it's what's going on, but you never know.
clueless: Walt was also transparent. If you look closely you can see the shrubs in back right through him.
Ah, I didn't notice that! Maybe THAT is what A. was referring to.
by: OneisLost (98 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004
Possible breakthrough on Desmond's computer terminal and the numbers.
Was just watching a show on magnetism on the Science Channel and they showed a pic of a lab magnometer, measures the amount and pole direction of magnetic rock. The terminal looked just like the one in the hatch.
Am trying to find a pic on the web of one. Looked at GEM Industries, Scrintex, which used to be Sharpe Instruments Ltd. (of Canada) and some others but can't find a pic of a lab model or an old one. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/sad.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> HELP! Will keep trying.
The scientist were boring into rock faces in Death Valley and tagging the holes with metal strips that showed a series of numbers just like the Lost ones. They did not tell what the numbers meant but, they were studying when the magnetic poles have changed throughout history so the numbers could represent, date/era/rock type/polarity/etc.
Dang I want a pic of that magnometer!
The correct name and spelling is: spinner magnetometer
by: LostinBlue (2434 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
clueless: Walt was also transparent. If you look closely you can see the shrubs in back right through him.
Ah, I didn't notice that! Maybe THAT is what A. was referring to.
I think maybe A was referring to Walt's ability to flash in and out of the jungle. That is something that would come in handy when being attacked by a polar bear.
by: dad_of_4_ (2114 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Aug 05, 2005
It just seems like when he was "dropped off" he got a washer dryer and his stock for X amt of time so he knows he has enough to last his time there. Unlike Danielle who truely was stranded and uses her syringe again
I'm with LA on this - he has been stocked or restocked recently and is capable of being restocked again ....
Too many clues in the complex to indicate that the hatch has been "restocked" for at least the last 40 years....
by: 042078 (1117 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
I think maybe A was referring to Walt's ability to flash in and out of the jungle. That is something that would come in handy when being attacked by a polar bear.
I agree with blue on this one. I thought she was saying "Either he can be in two places at once (forgot what this was called...Shannon Doherty used to do it on Charmed-or she could have just meant the ability to disapparate and apparate a la HP) even though he never did it before, even when it would have helped him out immensly (with the polar bear)...OR something else is going on here."
I think she was telling you something else was going on there, that just because Walt is an animal empath or whatever he is doesn't mean that him materializing in the forest is a new power. Did that make sense?
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
I think she was telling you something else was going on there, that just because Walt is an animal empath or whatever he is doesn't mean that him materializing in the forest is a new power. Did that make sense?
Well, no.. actually - not making sense to me.
A. referred to the Walt appearanceas "Shannon's vision"... so it was a vision, not really real Walt. A. asked who would be trying to contact Shannon... send a message to her. Could be Walt from the other side of the island, could be Boone from the beyond. Why Shannon? Because she was fatigued, exausted, and emotionally raw... a prime "receiver", I would think... but also because she was the guardian of Vincent.
Anyway, 042, you're saying that Walt materializing in the forest is NOT a new power of Walt's, right? Because I don't think it's a new power of Walt's.
I guess I thought A's questions about Walt's appearance, at least in part, were to simply make sure everyone understands that what's really Walt... but a vision... a manifestation... a symbol.
by: 042078 (1117 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
Anyway, 042, you're saying that Walt materializing in the forest is NOT a new power of Walt's, right? Because I don't think it's a new power of Walt's.
Yes, that is what I am saying, but I wasn't saying that that was what you thought...that was simply how I interpreted A's question.
If it was Shannon's "vision" ie, not real...then what difference would it make what he was doing? I agree that if it was a vision, then it would be important to Shannon's character what Walt was doing/saying/looked like. But if it was Shannon's vision, then what Walt was doing should have no bearing on anything regarding the real, living Walt. I don't think I am explaining very well. Never mind src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: jbbrennan (86 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005
What pyramid?
erk, isn't that a pyramid that most people call the big white arrow in the painting? I saw a screen cap of it where you can see a shadowed other (facing) side. I'll try to find the screencap. --jasmine
by: jbbrennan (86 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005
while we are talking about Walt's appearance, I wonder, does anybody have any ideas regarding why Walt would put his finger to his lips and shush, Shannon? I mean, granted, she was flailing all over and calling out for Sayid, but it seemed to me like the "shhh" was for someone/something else.
by: LA5648 (773 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 05, 2005
while we are talking about Walt's appearance, I wonder, does anybody have any ideas regarding why Walt would put his finger to his lips and shush, Shannon? I mean, granted, she was flailing all over and calling out for Sayid, but it seemed to me like the "shhh" was for someone/something else.
_jasmine
Don't alert the security system is my guess--- but the system was busy at the time anyway - cause it had intruders- so maybe thats why he chose the time to show himself when he knew Desmond was busy anyway--- but why not to Sayid too--- guess he didn't "trust" sayid as much-- (maybe cause hes not so HOT) sorry had ta go there src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
042: Yes, that is what I am saying, but I wasn't saying that that was what you thought...that was simply how I interpreted A's question.
No, no... I know you weren't saying that's what I thought. I just wanted to make sure I understood you correctly, that's all.
042: If it was Shannon's "vision" ie, not real...then what difference would it make what he was doing? I agree that if it was a vision, then it would be important to Shannon's character what Walt was doing/saying/looked like. But if it was Shannon's vision, then what Walt was doing should have no bearing on anything regarding the real, living Walt. I don't think I am explaining very well. Never mind
Oh, I think I understand what you're saying. You're doing a pretty good job. I'm not sure what it would matter that he's doing, except that his appearance does indicate what the vision represents. And I think asking us "what he's doing" might indicate the same, and/or a way to be sure we understand he was simply a vision, not actually Walt.
Jasmine: erk, isn't that a pyramid that most people call the big white arrow in the painting? I saw a screen cap of it where you can see a shadowed other (facing) side. I'll try to find the screencap.
Hmmmmm... I haven't heard anyone call the big white arrow a pyramid - but maybe I missed some posts. I've been calling it the big white arrow... or big arrow... or the arrow... and I thought everyone else was too. I didn't think of it as a pyramid, but I guess the point part kinda does.
by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
When the polar bears are around, it might be handy for Walt to be able to project an image of himself for the bears to chase while the real boy runs in the other direction.
Walt might have shhed Shannon and whispered because he didn't want the Others to know that he was contacting her or have them hear Shannon's responses to him. If they were nearby and/or able to intercept his communications, Walt wouldn't want the Others to know that he was trying to ask Shannon for help.
In fact, the Others might have Walt hooked up to some psychic enchancement machine, making him Extra-Special. We already know that Vincent is able to see things that Walt is visualizing (the knife), so maybe with a little enhancement, he can show things to Shannon. Or maybe Shannon's just Specially receptive.
Message was edited by: cac120 because I thought of something related to say
by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
ME, I've heard other people call the arrow head a pyramid ... but they might have all been Jasmine. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Was there a decision about lifting the spoiler ban? I'm going to shut this thing off, so unless anyone else in the West asks you not to, go ahead and discuss tonight's episode.
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
cac: We already know that Vincent is able to see things that Walt is visualizing (the knife),
Oh, Lord, cac, we don't "know" that for sure - it's a theory of yours! LOL! src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
And I honestly never heard anyone call the arrow a pyramid, or maybe i did but didn't realized what they were talking about. I have heard people talk about pyraminds lately here on this thread, but i thought they were referring to maybe pyramid formations in the island, not the mural.
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
SPOILERS.... IF YOU HAVE WATCHED TONIGHT'S EPI (ADRIFT)!!!!!! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ok, I LOVED this epi - I thought it was GREAT!
And, let me repost my answer to A's question #17 for last week's episode:
17. As Jack is looking around the place, what can you hear calling in the background? Listen closely!
I thought I could hear Kate yelling "Jack!", very faintly, as the loud music played.
I WAS RIGHT!! Yay! I knew it! Woooohooooo!
Also from tonight's episode (Adrift) -
1. I just LOVE Sawyer more than ever now
2. The hatch corridor/hallway sure was a lot better lit when Locke was sneaking through there (can't wait to rewatch)
3. Des does seem to be waiting for his replacement. Funny he used a common children's joke as his code. Wouldn't a parent know the answer? I wonder if Des has several secret password codes to use - and one will be "What is black and white and red all over?" and the answer he wants will be "A penquin with a sunburn."
Is that how they get suckered down there - they're told a dumb joke at some point, and then when they get there to the island, someone asks them the joke, and because they answer correctly, they are told they have to stay there and tend the island? Ok - stretching here, and partly joking - but what a wierd setup!
4. Loved how they paralleled last week and this week's epis, though not entirely... still revealed some, answered some questions, and moved us ahead a bit.
5. Desmond asked Locke "So the world is still out there?", like he was expecting extinction - to be the only one left alive. Is this what he was told, in order to get him to stay there and tend to the island, until relieved by his replacement? And what happens if he doesn't enter in the numbers? Is it as terrible as he makes it seems, or was he conned into doing this, being led to believe that something terrible will happen, but it's just something more self-serving and/or shallow (but he doesn't know it)?
6. Desmond sure is worried about a sickness - people getting sick, and/or dying. I wonder how long it takes to get the sickness? And what staves it off....
7. Locke says he hasn't seen one of those computers in "20 years".
8. Charlie says to Claire "I reckon Jack is going to do something heroic" - is this nod to "The Hero's Journey". Also, interesting parallel between the words heroic, and heroine.
9. Charlie was afraid of the VM statue being broken - afraid that Claire will find out what's inside, and afraid of the temptation of what's inside.
10. Sawyer is very observant - and SMART. He got a good look at the Other's boat - knew it couldn't have been far from port... figured out that the Others were referring to Walt when Danielle heard then say they were going for the boy.
11. O815 crashed 44 days ago. . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . END SPOILERs
That's it for now. I have to rewatch - will be back tomorrow.
by: meredg (1962 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 01, 2005
Is that how they get suckered down there - they're told a dumb joke at some point, and then when they get there to the island, someone asks them the joke, and because they answer correctly, they are told they have to stay there and tend the island? Ok - stretching here, and partly joking - but what a wierd setup!
Only partly joking? src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: gingerpeachypie (43 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 12, 2005
SPOILERS BELOW...
Does anyone remember last year talking about labyrinths? The symbol in the hatch, on Desmond's clothes, in the pantry, on the shark tail, the "tour de stad" - do they all look at all like labyrinths to anyone but me? I know there was a really cool thread with this info, but I haven't checked in a while. I'll see if I can find it and post.
Also, Is the room in which the adoption proceedings are taking place the same set as Claire's adoption proceeding that she bugged out on? It sure looked the same. I haven't checked the DVD yet.
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
mere: Only partly joking?
Well, I would have said COMPLETELY joking, but this IS "Lost", and the minute I say I'm completely joking about a wacky theory like that, the next thing you know, it turns out there's some truth to it... maybe not exactly, but something bizarre not too far off. So, just covering all the bases. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
But yes, was joking - completely... though, still covering bases. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
ginger: Does anyone remember last year talking about labyrinths? The symbol in the hatch, on Desmond's clothes, in the pantry, on the shark tail, the "tour de stad" - do they all look at all like labyrinths to anyone but me? I know there was a really cool thread with this info, but I haven't checked in a while. I'll see if I can find it and post.
I do remember talks of labrynths last season, and I do see what you mean about the symbol being a labryrinth. I've read on the board something about the symbol being on the shark tail, but didn't spot it myself when watching - but my reception isn't stellar (rabbit ear antennea). How is the "tour de stad" a labrynth? I'm not seeing that one.
ginger: Also, Is the room in which the adoption proceedings are taking place the same set as Claire's adoption proceeding that she bugged out on? It sure looked the same. I haven't checked the DVD yet.
Does look similar, but I'd have to see both to know. I can't imagine they are actually the same offices though. I think the one in tonight's epi took place in NYC, and the one with Claire was in Sydney.
by: gingerpeachypie (43 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 12, 2005
ME - I'm a runner and when I run stadium stairs, it's a very Zen, spiritual experience. There's a rhythm of going up and down the stairs (Theresa anyone?), in and out of the many layers, just like a labyrinth. I would never take shortcuts - there's no reason - it's the journey, not the final outcome. That's why I categorized the tour de stad as a labyrinth.
I haven't gone back to see the Claire adoption scene, but it I immediately turned to my husband and said, Claire's adoption scene was there also. Oh, and there was a ship model on the table behind Michael's wife in the scene tonight.
Did we see the same wooden crates from the pantry also in the Black Rock? I thought the printing on the back side of the box might have said "explosives", but after slo-mo it looks like something else.
by: LostinBlue (2434 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
Did we see the same wooden crates from the pantry also in the Black Rock? I thought the printing on the back side of the box might have said "explosives", but after slo-mo it looks like something else.
Someone in another thread said that the writing was "Legumes."
by: Jerseylostfan (1279 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005
I figured you did. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Trying in a lame way to keep this bumped up for the questions, lol.
by: gingerpeachypie (43 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 12, 2005
Jersey - You're cracking me up! Thanks for conversing.
I'm actually sitting here at my kitchen computer halfway nodding-off and thinking I'm going to have some new breakthrough tonight. I'm seriously losing it! I have never been so addicted to anything since falling in love with Randolph Mantooth on Emergency when I was in the 3rd grade and taping his poster above my bed. I can't get this crazy mystery out of my head!
by: Jerseylostfan (1279 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005
To make it Lost related..........Emergency also starred Kevin Tighe, Locke's evil daddy!! I loved that show too!! src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: gingerpeachypie (43 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 12, 2005
You are so right! Wow - Saturday nights: Emergency, Mary Tyler Moore, Carol Burnett Show - does it get any better? (I guess I'm answering my own questions by being on the boards at 11:41 p.m.)
Hey Jersey - aren't you also my game "partner in crime"? Do you like playing games? ( I had to ask!) I'm always on the lookout for references to games. Did you notice the dart board tonight?
by: Jerseylostfan (1279 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005
No, but I posted on the thread that disappeared in about five minutes off page one. The questions are late tonight, I think I'm going to bed. Thanks for bumping with me. I'll talk to you again soon. Good luck! games and more games......... oops I forgot, there was a pingpong table there too!!
by: LostinBlue (2434 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
You are so right! Wow - Saturday nights: Emergency, Mary Tyler Moore, Carol Burnett Show - does it get any better? (I guess I'm answering my own questions by being on the boards at 11:41 p.m.)
Hey Jersey - aren't you also my game "partner in crime"? Do you like playing games? ( I had to ask!) I'm always on the lookout for references to games. Did you notice the dart board tonight?
Ginger - Great! You noticed the dartboard! Did you notice something a little odd about it?
by: gingerpeachypie (43 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 12, 2005
Lost - I'll have to go back and look. I just remember seeing it in the background. Like I said, I'm about to nod off here. I'd love A question or two to ponder, but then of course I'd be up longer with my mind racing and racing.
I remember one of my early thoughts (very early in season one) was that Walt was "playing a game in his head" and they were all pawns. Silly, huh?
by: Adawhen (1070 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 17, 2004
Do it again, and I swear by heaven, I quit. You think I'm lying boys? Try me. Out the door, over the hill and gone. Leave the questions alone.
1. Who can Sawyer hear when he surfaces?
2. What is Sawyer's initial actions? Self-preservation?
3. What's the range of that boat?
4. Say? What's that lighted keypad spelling out?
5. Yes, yes, the joke. Now think it through (tricky writers)...... who has Desmond been talking to if not Locke?
6. How has Desmond been talking to someone who tells corny jokes and what has he been saying to Desmond? Yes, he did tell you enough to know. Don?t listen to our survivors. Listen to Desmond. What has the voice out there been telling him?
7. "So the world's still out there?"
8. How many survivors are there?
9. How many days since the crash?
10. "As in sick......as in ill.........as in dead?"
11. Make a list of the words visible in the hatch.
12. "All roads lead here"
13. Make note of all the black and whites.
14. How long has it been since Locke's seen one of those?
15. A happens, then B, then C.
16. Take a good look at the mural.
17. Awww. Little Walt's so cute! LOOK AT HIS OUTFIT. Colors seem familiar?
18. Now that you?ve had some time, take another look at Walt in 2.1. Do it. What's different?
by: LostinBlue (2434 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005
1. Who can Sawyer hear when he surfaces? Jin 2. What is Sawyer's initial actions? Self-preservation? No. To save Michael and find Jin. 3. What's the range of that boat?
4. Say? What's that lighted keypad spelling out?
5. Yes, yes, the joke. Now think it through (tricky writers)...... who has Desmond been talking to if not Locke? Walt? 6. How has Desmond been talking to someone who tells corny jokes and what has he been saying to Desmond? Yes, he did tell you enough to know. Don?t listen to our survivors. Listen to Desmond! What has the voice out there been telling him?
7. "So the world's still out there?" Afraid the "sickness" had spread outside the island? (same as Danielle's fear) 8. How many survivors are there? 43 9. How many days since the crash? 44 10. "As in sick......as in ill.........as in dead?" Danielle's team members? 11. Make a list of the words visible in the hatch. Quarantine, Arm, Sick, My Alex (?) 12. "All roads lead here" I'm still not getting it. 13. Make note of all the black and whites. arrow, faces in mural... 14. How long has it been since Locke's seen one of those? 20 years 15. A happens, then B, then C. Alarm, enter numbers, reset time 16. Take a good look at the mural.
I'm just starting on these tonight. I'll finish them up tomorrow. Oh, and many thanks to you Ada! I hope you see that the love of your friends far outweighs the baddies on the board.
by: cac120 (513 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
I'll just do a few of these tonight. I need to rewatch with these in front of me.
8. How many survivors are there?
43
9. How many days since the crash?
44
42 43 44
10. "As in sick......as in ill.........as in dead?"
Quite a few are dead, but we haven't attributed any of them to the illness.
12. "All roads lead here"
Rome
14. How long has it been since Locke's seen one of those?
20 years
1984, like the Mac commercial I posted the link to last week. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Is Big Brother watching?
17. Awww. Little Walt's so cute! LOOK AT HIS OUTFIT. Colors seem familiar?
Red, white and blue.
18. Now that you?ve had some time, take another look at Walt in 2.1. Do it. What's different?
He's grown. I think he's aged a whole year after being on the island for only 44 days. If this is right, then the Others on the boat have also aged more rapidly.
19. Look at that bag! Look at that bear!
It's a polar bear. The symbol on the bag looks a lot like the meteorite/crater on the mural.
Thanks, Ada. I'll be thinking about these while I'm at work tomorrow.
by: daviscbls (118 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
Good morning... notes from last night. I'll catch up with the reading when I get back home.
The bliping on the computer wakes Desmond up. I said the same thing last week. It's an alarm. It warns him that time is running out. He puts the numbers in and it gives him another 108 minutes/hours.
He thinks the world has ended. A nuclear bomb maybe? He hasn't been re-stocked. He has a room full of food.
He is waiting for someone, just like the believers are waiting for Jesus to come and live on earth again. Or maybe it's far more simple than that and he's just waiting for someone to take over from him.
The design on Desmond's shirt in the stadium looked like it could be flames or a tulip.
Did it say danswan on his coveralls?
The candy bar was apollo.
If no one from flight 815 has become sick, is the sickness still out there?
Michael gave Walt a polar bear.
I don't think Desmond recognised Jack, at least he didn't seem to when he looked through the mirrors. Maybe he did when they were face to face.
by: OneisLost (98 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004
The design on Desmond's shirt in the stadium looked like it could be flames or a tulip.
I thought so too only that it was a lotus.
Ties in with the bagua symbol and all the other mystical stuff.
I was kind of right about Kate being "walled up". src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
I got a jolt when she turned around in that room. Thought she was back in that old dude's pantry again.
I've had in the back of my mind, since the beginning, that for some reason they never really left Australia. Still wondering if this is true.
Hubby got a good look at the puters last night and said they could date as far back as the late 50's. After also getting a good look at them I remembered that I used to work on a similar terminal, early 80's, that was for our hospital's security system. I can't for the life of me remember the name but, I do remember that it was something ROM or Rome. The terminal was in our switchboard office while the computers were in another room behind our office that was temp controlled. So maybe the numbers are a security code that has to be typed in. I can't believe I forgot about that cause I had to spend hours entering badge numbers into that darned thing. BORING!
Michael did indeed experience a re-birth. Sawyer certainly is the reluctant hero isn't he? He really can't help himself. LOL
The office in NY for the adoption could be the same or similar to the one in Aus. if they are the same international law firm.
Jack. Because of what happened to Sarah, has he expected a miracle every time? Has he been consistantly disappointed because it hasn't happened? Is that why he's come unglued? Does he blame Desmond for his disappointment? Has he been searching for Desmond to effect another miracle? The emotion of the scene with Sarah (toes) was very similar to the one with Kate/Jack/Charlie (hanging). Birth like emotions.
by: ooooohdoggie (82 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 22, 2005
The design on Desmond's shirt in the stadium looked like it could be flames or a tulip.
I believe the rugby shirt symbol is a phoenix, i would like to know exactly though. Also posting links for swan -dharma symbol and a greatly improved picture of the mural.
Desmond in stadium with Jack, good look at symbol on rugby shirt.
by: LIONARTist (2440 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 09, 2005
1. Who can Sawyer hear when he surfaces?
Jin
2. What is Sawyer's initial actions? Self-preservation?
He tries to swim for Jin. But when he can't find him, he calls out for Michael. Sawyer is actually concerned for his two raftmates.
3. What's the range of that boat?
100 miles
4. Say? What's that lighted keypad spelling out?
I didn't see that
5. Yes, yes, the joke. Now think it through (tricky writers)...... who has Desmond been talking to if not Locke?
6. How has Desmond been talking to someone who tells corny jokes and what has he been saying to Desmond? Yes, he did tell you enough to know. Don?t listen to our survivors. Listen to Desmond. What has the voice out there been telling him?
I'm not sure. But the only two that come to mind when you say corny joke are Hurley and Charlie.
7. "So the world's still out there?"
He thinks some catastrophic event - PLAGUE? - has taken place.
8. How many survivors are there?
43
9. How many days since the crash?
44
10. "As in sick......as in ill.........as in dead?"
11. Make a list of the words visible in the hatch.
I don't have tivo
12. "All roads lead here"
Jack says that to Locke. Reference to Rome? or just Jack telling Locke he's full of it.
13. Make note of all the black and whites.
14. How long has it been since Locke's seen one of those?
20 years
15. A happens, then B, then C.
16. Take a good look at the mural.
17. Awww. Little Walt's so cute! LOOK AT HIS OUTFIT. Colors seem familiar?
18. Now that you?ve had some time, take another look at Walt in 2.1. Do it. What's different?
No life preserver
19. Look at that bag! Look at that bear!
That's Bear Lucas. Gave my son the exact same bear when he was about 2. Made by Gunde. My son named him Bear Lucas.
by: daviscbls (118 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
5. Yes, yes, the joke. Now think it through (tricky writers)...... who has Desmond been talking to if not Locke?
6. How has Desmond been talking to someone who tells corny jokes and what has he been saying to Desmond? Yes, he did tell you enough to know. Don?t listen to our survivors. Listen to Desmond. What has the voice out there been telling him?
I missed this completely. Would someone please explain as my husband was supposed to tape the epi, and didn't! AArrgghh!!
But, they made a point of showing us that Claire thinks Charlie's jokes aren't very good. Is Charlie the one he has been waiting for.
by: LIONARTist (2440 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 09, 2005
So, someone is outside talking to Desmond through the hatch, even though Locke thinks it's a big secret.
So this person is feeding Desmond alot of stuff about there being a catastrophe of some sort. Why would he do that? What purpose would that serve? Okay, so this person obviously doesn't want Desmond coming out. Why? Boy, this is bugging me now.
I wouldn't think Hurley. Because he wasn't too worried about it until he saw the numbers, right before they opened it.
If it was Charlie, then why? Maybe he started to think like Walt. He liked being on the island, with his new girlie, Claire and their new baby. He kicked his drug habit and everything seemed fine. Maybe he wanted to make it his home.
It obviously wasn't Jack or Locke. If it was a him, then that leaves Sawyer and Michael. Because, as far as we know, Jin doesn't speak english, and I've never heard him tell a corny joke. Michael got the penguin joke from the hospital nurse. Hmmmm, could it be Michael? He wanted off the island the worst of all the castaways. Maybe he thought that something inside the hatch would lead them to stay on the island. Maybe something Desmond told him.
Sawyer? That brings up a bucketload of questions. Must think more on this one.
by: Atl_Jen (266 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 20, 2005
Just thought about something. Walt knew. Maybe he told Michael and told him that it was something bad down there.
walt knew the hatch was bad? and told michael?
But the raft sailed before the disocvery of the hatch became public... and if walt had said something to michael, dont you think Michael would have confronted Locke, or brought it up to Jack - or something?
by: jbbrennan (86 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005
What an episode, Desmond is actually quite cute in his own "been down a hatch too long way".
Hey, when Desmond asked his riddle, was I the only one who shouted out "You've got to lift it up!" ??? Even though it didn't make much sense, it DID make what he said to Jack on the stairs sound like a secret code of sorts. As if he was appointing Jack to be his successor (sp?--too early to spell correctly)that day.
I couldn't even really tell what Desmond was asking: What did one snowman say to the other? Or, what did someone say to someone? I have to go to work, or I'd check the transcripts.
OK, Maybe Jack's answer is for a different hatch.
--jasmine, am I the only one who thinks the white arrow is a pyramid???? ha! typical.
by: kagergone (691 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 23, 2005
George! Let go!!!!
I could not see well enough to tell, but did any of the canned fruit/jars of stuff look enough like the stuff in farmer Ray's pantry for us to make a connection there? I know ME had mentioned canned fruits and made that connection--just wondering-couldn't see it well enough.
by: mzipluvlost (9 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 10, 2005
ok, so in the middle of night i woke up and had a thought. something that bothered me from last week's epi was when shannon couldnt find syiad. well, i realized it was similiar to when the group was trying to catch ethan. claire was alone and when ethan finally appeared, it seemed like a lot of time passed before jack, locke, etc. starting to attack him. its like some sort of time warp or something. does this make sense to anyone but me?
by: Jerseylostfan (1279 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005
I have to say...that tree ( where Mike gives Walt the bag) looks awfully familiar too...am I seeing LOST clues everywhere.
I kept trying to figure out where in NYC that is. I've covered every square in of Central Park (almost) and the only place that came to my mind was the area right outside the Children's Petting Zoo. It's probably not important but.......
Back to something that has been discussed in here before. Why does Walt always wear striped shirts?
Also, I wanted to throw this out here to see what you guys think. I can't remember this ever being discussed in any of the 7 threads so I apologize in advance if I missed it somehow. Here goes....... I have been thinking the last few months that Michael was set up when he , um, got Susan pregnant. Like someone wanted him to pass on his specialness to a baby. I don't think Susan is the mastermind, I think of her more as being a hired hand or surregate mother. I think she completely used Michael to get the baby that her boss wanted. I hope I articulated that well enough for people to understand where I'm going here. Does anyone understand what I mean, lol? Expanding on this theme, was Claire set up too? Danielle? other people we don't know about yet? What do you guys think? Thanks
by: rudysam (37 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 08, 2005
I agree w/ women being set up to birth special children. Locke would be another example.
Also, further back in this thread ADA said to watch the Cowboys/ daddy epi again and to pay attention to what Locke was doing not saying. I noticed that when jack/Kate /Locke/Boone came to a fork in the trail, (when they were following Claire/Charlie/ Ethan) it seemed Locke was no longer trying to track kidnappers but was on another search when they discover the hatch. (sorry if this is confusing, I don't write that well)
1 more thing, when Walt appears to Shannon I think the colors of his striped shirt are reversed.
by: Jerseylostfan (1279 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005
I forgot Locke. Yes, I agree. I understand what you mean about the fork in the road. Locke decided to track the other path, for lack of a better word. I like striped shirts so I always noticed Walt's!
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Ok, I have a few pages of reading here beyond the questions Ada left for us (THANK YOU ADA!!) to catch up on, so haven't read anyone else's answers yet, but here are mine:
My answers to Adrift questions:
1. Who can Sawyer hear when he surfaces?
Sawyer can hear Walt, Michael and Jin when he resurfaces.
2. What is Sawyer's initial actions? Self-preservation?
To look for and try to help Michael and Jin. Sawyer is a hero at heart. He swims to part of the raft and grabs on to it in order to help Michael... helping himself, and Michael.
3. What's the range of that boat?
According to Sawyer, 100 miles from shore.
4. Say? What's that lighted keypad spelling out?
This was a tough one for me. I couldn't tell if it was spelling out a word, or number. Looked like 535, or SES (which doesn't make sense). Then I noticed later, right before Des had Locke enter the numbers into the computer, that the old count-down "clock" above the computer was counting down from 00238, 00237, 00236... I assume counting down by second. Something would happen after it got down to 0, OR, down to a certain number. Since the last number we see before Locke hits "execute" is 00236, I'm guessing the keypad might have been spelling out 235. Is this the "number" that will set off whatever is to be set off if the Numbers code isn't entered into the computer, to reset the count back up to 10800? Note that 10800 divided by 60 (i. e. sixty seconds) is 180... so 180 minutes... so 1 hour and 80 minutes. Is that how often Des has to keep re-entering those numbers?
5. Yes, yes, the joke. Now think it through (tricky writers)...... who has Desmond been talking to if not Locke?
Well, my first thought would be Walt, since it's a children's joke. So, how has he been talking to Walt? Though mental telepathy/dreams? Is a vision of Walt appearing to Desmond, like he did to Shannon?
6. How has Desmond been talking to someone who tells corny jokes and what has he been saying to Desmond? Yes, he did tell you enough to know. Don?t listen to our survivors. Listen to Desmond. What has the voice out there been telling him?
Then it occurred to me that Michael is the one who made the card for Walt with the penguin joke - "What is black and white and red all over?" "A penguin with a sun burn."... and I think Michael himself said that it was corny. Charlie also tells corny jokes. But Walt told Locke to not open the hatch, so he seemed to sense that something bad was in the hatch. On the other hand, Michael was very adamant about not wanting Walt to grow up on the island - he wanted to get off, asap... so did he know about the "illness"... somehow sensed it? So, I guess I'm thinking Walt or Michael - and Michael is the one who seems to feel most upset about being on the island... unless he senses that Walt is "the one".
HOWEVER, could still be Charlie... and Charlie could be "talking" to Des through his music?
7. "So the world's still out there?"
Desmond has been led to believe that a disease or contamination of some sort would anialate all life on the planet... that his efforts are critical in at least preventing the destruction of the planet, and himself, if not all life.
8. How many survivors are there?
Locke said 43 (4 have left on a raft - which Des scoffed at).
9. How many days since the crash?
Locke said 44
10. "As in sick......as in ill.........as in dead?"
Well, Boone DID die. Jack has looked rather ill at times. Hurley has had some lower GI issues. That one guy had a rash. But, as far as we know, none of the Losties have died from an illness. But that is what Des believes is out there - that there is something out there capable of people so sick they'll die. However, he seemed surprised and puzzled to find out that no one has become sick and died yet.
11. Make a list of the words visible in the hatch.
Dharma, Appollo, candy, apple cider, execute.... (I need to look again)
12. "All roads lead here"
Is this the hub of the island? And will everyone who survived the O815 crash find their connection to the island down in the hatch.
13. Make note of all the black and whites.
Kate's shirt was bl and wh striped, the Dharma logos were all bl and wh, Michael's lawyer was wearing a white shirt, with black and dark gray checked suspenders
14. How long has it been since Locke's seen one of those?
20 years... gives us a date - 1984... "Big Brother"
15. A happens, then B, then C.
Computer counts down to a certain number, door opens, releases the security system, and stays out until the numbers are entered? Not sure that's it.
16. Take a good look at the mural.
There's a black face painted to the left of the white face - black face with white eyes and contour... black and white. Adam and Eve? Or is the black face Adelewe's character?
17. Awww. Little Walt's so cute! LOOK AT HIS OUTFIT. Colors seem familiar?
Light blue shirt with darker blue, yellow and red stripes. Oceanic colors?
18. Now that you?ve had some time, take another look at Walt in 2.1. Do it. What's different?
Walt is wearing a green shirt with one yellow stripe - exact same color of green as Michael's shirt in the scene where he gives toddler Walt the stuffed bear. No longer many stripes - just one. No longer Oceanic colors... but his dad's color... except for one - the yellow strip. Do the Oceanic colors represent a connection to Susan (therefore, Susan represents whoever is behind whatever is going on), and does Walt's shirt in 2.1 represent his stronger connection to his dad now, and the one yellow stripe represent his connection to Susan and/or Brian, and whatever's going on? But yet his connection to his father is strongest.
19. Look at that bag! Look at that bear!
Stuffed Polar bear - so Michael has a gift of seeing the future? He sure was adamant about Walt not being raised on the island. The bag had a pattern that reminded me of the geodisic dome... and the images reminded me of the island map - the crater part, as well as maybe miscroscopic bacteria? I need to look again - free associating right now.
by: brainsgonebad (102 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 25, 2005
Where was this "keypad" from question 4?
Seems to me Desmond was waiting not for a replacement, but for his SAVIOR. As if this person (or group) had instructed him to go there, and when it's safe, they'd send someone to let him know "the coast is clear". But they'd have a code (joke) to identify themselves, to avoid trickery of anyone getting sick.
I agree he thinks there's been mass plague or nuclear war (with radiation poisoning). Or at least it's bad on the island, and he can't leave until his contact can safely come on the island and get him out.
Still think he was tricked into a fake race around the world, and told how to get into this checkpoint, then realized he was trapped by the sickness above ground.
Think Daddy Evil(s) are responsible, getting him there to operate the facility, somehow beneficial to the Daddy(s).
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
brain: Where was this "keypad" from question 4?
brain, it wasn't quite the type of "keypad" I expected either, but I THINK what she's referring to is on the right side of the wall when Locke is first walking down the corridor... before he gets to the mural. He sort of pauses and you can see a panel with little lights just in front of him, on his right. The lights change pattern.
brain: Seems to me Desmond was waiting not for a replacement, but for his SAVIOR. As if this person (or group) had instructed him to go there, and when it's safe, they'd send someone to let him know "the coast is clear". But they'd have a code (joke) to identify themselves, to avoid trickery of anyone getting sick.
by: Jerseylostfan (1279 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005
5. Yes, yes, the joke. Now think it through (tricky writers)...... who has Desmond been talking to if not Locke?
Well, my first thought would be Walt, since it's a children's joke. So, how has he been talking to Walt? Though mental telepathy/dreams? Is a vision of Walt appearing to Desmond, like he did to Shannon?
6. How has Desmond been talking to someone who tells corny jokes and what has he been saying to Desmond? Yes, he did tell you enough to know. Don?t listen to our survivors. Listen to Desmond. What has the voice out there been telling him?
Then it occurred to me that Michael is the one who made the card for Walt with the penguin joke - "What is black and white and red all over?" "A penguin with a sun burn."... and I think Michael himself said that it was corny. Charlie also tells corny jokes. But Walt told Locke to not open the hatch, so he seemed to sense that something bad was in the hatch. On the other hand, Michael was very adamant about not wanting Walt to grow up on the island - he wanted to get off, asap... so did he know about the "illness"... somehow sensed it? So, I guess I'm thinking Walt or Michael - and Michael is the one who seems to feel most upset about being on the island... unless he senses that Walt is "the one".
HOWEVER, could still be Charlie... and Charlie could be "talking" to Des through his music?
11. Make a list of the words visible in the hatch.
Dharma, Appollo, candy, apple cider, execute.... (I need to look again)
Hi ME,
Maybe this has something to do with Charlie being taken with Claire. Something was set up while Charlie was missing between Des and Charlie. Just putting it out there. Both Michael and Walt thought that joke was corny. Not something either one thought up. The nurse told Mike that one. Thinking out loud.
by: daviscbls (118 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
ME, I always value your input and comments. What did you make of the clock timer being reset when Locke typed in the numbers? It made me think of resetting time, going back in time, being given a second chance... something like that. The alarm seemed to warm that the time had almost run out. Desmond would be worn out if he had to enter the numbers every 108 minutes.
I wonder what would have happened if he hadn't have typed them in in time.
by: Party_of_Jack (20 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 03, 2004
5. Yes, yes, the joke. Now think it through (tricky writers)...... who has Desmond been talking to if not Locke?
My first thought was Danielle...She is the only one who has explored the island. I know she acted like she didn't know what the hatch was, but maybe because she had never accessed it that way OR simply because she didn't want them to know what it was and who was down there.
6. How has Desmond been talking to someone who tells corny jokes and what has he been saying to Desmond? Yes, he did tell you enough to know. Don?t listen to our survivors. Listen to Desmond. What has the voice out there been telling him? Danielle speaks of the sickness...Did she get this from Desmond or did he get it from her?? Is he part of the "Research Team?" That would mean he had been down there for 16 years or more....
by: daviscbls (118 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
5. Yes, yes, the joke. Now think it through (tricky My first thought was Danielle...She is the only one who has explored the island. I know she acted like she didn't know what the hatch was, but maybe because she had never accessed it that way OR simply because she didn't want them to know what it was and who was down there.
If she didn't want them to go into the hatch, she wouldn't have shown them where the dynamite was.
by: brainsgonebad (102 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 25, 2005
ME: I'll go back and watch that part again. Thanks be to TiVo!
I think he was told that he needed to enter the numbers and keep the clock going, to stave off something, keep the magnetic source going (which would keep the facility powered and sealed up).
I have the sense that if the clock hit zero, the magnetic source would shut down -- as a fail-safe in case something happens to the human operator(s).
I think Desmond believes that when the clock strikes zero, bad stuff will happen.
However, Daddy Evil(s) want the magnetic source to continue, possibly for longbeam neutrino transmissions (see my prev. posts a few pages back). This technology deals with beaming neutrino transmissions through solid earth, in a straight line, even from the US to Japan -- with very little degredataion. Maybe this is a repeater station of some sort, and all this "transmission" stuff really is part of a mind-control experiment, taken over by private-party bad dudes.
by: Party_of_Jack (20 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 03, 2004
I think she knew that they were going to figure out a way to get in there no matter what...She could have showed them how to get to the dynamite in hope that they would blow up...like Arzt did...she also left them at the Black Rock alone...maybe so they would get caught by the security system, or the Others, or whoever else may be on the island...
It was 108 minutes on April 12, 1961 that made the difference to Yuri Gagarin and the world -- the time it took for the first man in space to complete his historic dash around the globe and blaze a trail to the stars.
by: meredg (1962 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 01, 2005
ME--Thanks for letting this thread be the conduit through which we receive these awesome questions and hints from A. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
And I don't know if you will see this, Ada, but thanks. Thank you for making the show more enjoyable and for helping us stretch our brains. Thanks for still posting anywhere on the boards. Hope to talk to you more sometime. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
It was 108 minutes on April 12, 1961 that made the difference to Yuri Gagarin and the world -- the time it took for the first man in space to complete his historic dash around the globe and blaze a trail to the stars.
Race around the world?!?!?! Hmmm...
I didn't see that posted, but that's interesting! My answer to last week question about what type of "race around the world" Des was talking about was, a space race... meaning, something to do with going into space. A. seemed to indicate this wasn't correct though. However, I've heard stories lately about people being able to buy their way into a seat on a space flight - commercializing the space program, at least partially. The US hasn't gone that far yet, but I know Russia has been open to it. Remember Lance, that singer from that boy band - who paid for a chance to go into space with Russia? Never heard what happened to that though - I he didn't go into space, but not sure if it fell through, or what.
It was 108 minutes on April 12, 1961 that made the difference to Yuri Gagarin and the world -- the time it took for the first man in space to complete his historic dash around the globe and blaze a trail to the stars.
Race around the world?!?!?! Hmmm...
holy cow brains!! thats real interesting info!
I too think he has to enter that code every 108 minutes...
by: MEandthesea (1172 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
So what do you think happens when the counter resets to 108? What would happen if it didn't?
Well, I'm not sure. I think he was LED to believe something terrible will happen - but I don't know if that is the truth, or just something he was told to trick him into staying there... or if it was true at some point, but is no longer true. Maybe it was some sort of test... "You go in the hatch and seal it up... we're going to let this biological weapon loose on the island to see what it does.... you stay in the hatch to we give you the all clear... so keep entering in that code, or will think the bacteria killed you and the island will self-destruct to prevent the bacteria from wiping out the world."
Maybe.
But maybe nothing happened. Or maybe it was short lived. Maybe water needs to rehydrated it - like some people have mentioend. Maybe it was all a sham. More later... company at the door... I'll see if they know the secret joke password before letting them in. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
by: brainsgonebad (102 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 25, 2005
I know ME had mentioned "space race", but didn't see the 108 minutes correlation. I doubt he thinks he's on some kind of space vessel, being all concrete and such.
by: Atl_Jen (266 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 20, 2005
I know ME had mentioned "space race", but didn't see the 108 minutes correlation. I doubt he thinks he's on some kind of space vessel, being all concrete and such.
That site talks about NOAA satellites and that they orbit the earth about once every 108 minutes. They can be communicated with about 10 minutes during that timeframe and about 14 times a day at the poles.
Interesting blurb from that site: "Major Andronov states that a satellite group is able to receive signals from a zone with a radius of about 3500km on the surface of the Earth, and under clear conditions can monitor the same object 108 minutes later. A system of four satellite groups enables any region at a latitude of 40 to 60 degrees to be monitored more than 30 times a day. This spaced based ELINT system is one of the basic means for over-the-horizon targeting for warships equipped with Tomahawk cruise missiles. Today, these information receiver systems are employed by nuclear submarines."
by: kcmike777 (5 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Aug 18, 2005
More later... company at the door... I'll see if they know the secret joke password before letting them in. src="http://forums.go.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif" border=0 onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
LOL! Oh please tell me you really did this! What a hoot!
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Only partly joking?