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Posted: Aug 23 @ 09:56 PMfficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>by: LostinBlue (840 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005 I feel like there's something we're missing here.
There has to be something we know about Kate already to connect her to Australia, right?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 23 @ 11:25 PMby: LostDuckie7 (79 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 17, 2005 There has to be something we know about Kate already to connect her to Australia, right?I agree Cac, all these pieces seem like they could lead somewhere but don't ever seem to fit to get a complete picture. I've been trying to come up with something else that ties Kate to Australia and wondered if her father were tied to nuclear testing also. She said he was an Army ranger so that doesn't bode well for this idea, Navy or Air Force would have made more sense. I'm sort of thinking out loud here but it just occured to me that my father was in the Army Air Force since they were still together in WWII. Another angle that occured to me since we know Kate is vegetarian, could she be a radical vegen or animal activist? On a hunch I looked for the guy that Saywer was in jail for hitting and came across some interesting tidbits. Here's a link to a site for protesting treatment of sheep in AU and another for a PETA protest:http://www.savethesheep.com/f-hynde.asphttp://www.peta.org/alert/automation/AlertItem.asp?id=896
The PETA one is about shipping sheep that were fed pork to Muslim countires. Bali is on the edge of one of highest concentrations of Muslims in the world (Malaysia, Indonesia). This may be grabbing at straws since I don't think we know enough right now to do much more than speculate.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 06:39 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 There has to be something we know about Kate already to connect her to Australia, right?Yes, there is. Here dad was stationed at Ft. Lewis in Seattle, which is connected to the Yakima Firing Center. The Yakima Firing Center (also known as Yakima Firing Range) is connected to ECHELON, and Pine Gap Listening Station in Australia is part of ECHELON as well. Lenny and Sam were stationed at Pine Gap. ECHELON is a international intelligence gathering system - connected to the NSA of each government involved.Ada confirmed all this when I figured it out, but she said that I'm a season or two ahead. Not sure if that means it will come on in season 2, or season 3.Here's info about Yakima Firing Center, and how a firing center could be connected to an international intelligence gathering system:The "Yakima Research Station" is a secretive satellite earth station operated by the National Security Agency (NSA) to intercept satellite communications. The complex is located within the secure perimeter of the Army's Yakima Firing Range, in the relatively radio interference-free environment of eastern Washington. It was originally built in the 1970's to communicate with the Pacific Intelsat satellite, one of several satellites used for surveillance by the Agency. The NSA, headquartered at Fort Meade, Maryland, has an estimated 38,000 to 52,000 employees worldwide, furnishing intelligence to other U.S. government organizations.If Kate's father was actually stationed at the research station, which monitored the pacific, then could HE have heard the numbers too? That part I hadn't thought of until now.http://ludb.clui.org/ex/i/WA3303/Here's a bit more:The Yakima station has been monitoring Pacific Intelsat communications since it opened, and also monitors the Pacific Ocean area Inmarsat-2 satellite. http://world-information.org/wio/infostructure/100437611746/100438659207/?ic=100446325802On this last link I gave, the ECHELON main stations are listed, and I notice there's on in Canberra, NSW. It's to the east of Wagga Wagga. Seems closer to Sydney than Melbourne though, so if that's where she was headed, I'm not sure why they'd have her fly into Melbourne than Sydney, unless they really wanted to her be at Ray's farm first, and that those specific distances (100km from arrival city, and 15km from closest town) were important. Canberra is listed as "Dictionary Processing", so not sure if it would make sense that she'd be going there or not.
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 06:46 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I don't think she's looking for her father because she didn't seem to remember him in a warm way. More likely, it has to do with Tom and the plane. Could she be on the trail of the Brendan who took the keys?I guess I disagree. I thought she was at least remembering him fondly when she told that story of him loving the outdoors.... though I guess that's open to interpretation. I can't see her doing all that in connection to Tom - except that it is his plane. It would be funny if the plane was actually very insignficant - right hand waving. Though, who would rob a bank just for a plane? Unless there was something else in the envelope besides the plane when she got into the safety deposit box - a card with codes on it, a letter, information... an address. It wasn't a big envelope, but it had to have information connected to the plane, I'd think. So, maybe it was an address for his dad? Why would Kate need to find Tom's dad though?
I still don't think you can rule out that she's looking for her father. To me, it makes just as much sense as looking for Tom's dad... which I guess could be. I want to add though that one reason I think she might be looking for her dad isn't because she simply wants to have a fond reunion, but because she thinks he can help her clear her name.... which could be the case whether she feels warmly toward him or not.
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The PETA one is about shipping sheep that were fed pork to Muslim countires. Bali is on the edge of one of highest concentrations of Muslims in the world (Malaysia, Indonesia). This may be grabbing at straws since I don't think we know enough right now to do much more than speculate.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>This is interesting, Duckie! Not sure if this is the answer or not - but you're right that Kate said she's a vegetarian, and she sure was adament about Sawyer not hurting that baby boar.Does her crime have something to do with her activities as an animal rights activist? She was helping Jack prepare fish though, right? So I'd say she's not a vegan.Anyway, certainly a possiblity - especially since we found her in a pen of sheep on Ray's farm. Kate - a little Lost sheep.
By the way, be sure to read my post above connecting Kate to Australia.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 07:26 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 cac: What I remember of my research into Bali was that it's on the list of places that the US government warns Americans not to go to because it isn't safe. I also thought the nightclub bombing could be connected to the terrorist cell Sayid infiltrated. All of this seemed to lead to Kate, or someone she's looking for, being an undercover operative.
Yes, as I mentioned in part earlier, those were pretty much my as well when I researched Bali. Sounds like we were on the same wavelength at the time!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 09:19 AMby: LostDuckie7 (79 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 17, 2005 Me,Not a vegan I agree. I'm not sure I really believed the animal rights activist part either but it does seem to fit her personality by doing things that might illegal for a cause that she believes in. I found an article about Aussie politics that mentioned that the producers requested Warren Truss's permission to use his name specifically. This might be as simple as a writer that was familiar with him thought it would be funny to have Sawyer punch him, sort of a way to get a jab at him metphorically.I'm not buying the idea the Kate just wanted the plane in the bank. It either makes her an obsessed psycho to rob a bank for toy plane or else there's something else. The 'something else' seems to fit character more.
I don't pay too much heed to the clues on the web sites (oceanic-air, channel4) since I don't think the writers would give out anything leading to speicific plot points but they might give general feeling and direction to use. In general they seem to be conveying a similar theme that there is some powerful conspiracy to keep things hushed up about the flight and cover up the truth. On the ocean site they 'hid' the letters from survivors and on the ch4 site they showed letters being blacked out. This goes well with a theory connected to the Echelon listening posts. This leads to what they found by listening such as the numbers being to connected something, but what? Or else they're doing something they want to insure remains secret.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 10:00 AMby: captainaeon (1300 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004 marbalbc got an interesting response from a physics major in her "La Mer" thread yesterday. Just wanted to make sure you saw it http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=270&threadID=473200&forumStart=0
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 03:29 PMby: OhioRob2 (1314 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2004 Just a small point here. Holding a piglet and making it squeal,which they always do,is a very STUPID thing to do. There are very few animals as dangerous as a sow seeking to protect her young. That may have been Kates concern more so than for the piggy.
I think Kate is looking for Toms Father not her own. She is taking the toy plane TO someone why take Toms toy to her Dad? Toms Father just makes more sense or even Tomx child?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 03:47 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I think Kate is looking for Toms Father not her own. She is taking the toy plane TO someone why take Toms toy to her Dad? Toms Father just makes more sense or even Tomx child?But it might not have anything to do with the plane, or she might be taking the plane to someone else besides her father or Tom's father. And clearly, it has to be about more than just taking a toy plane to someone... something else is going on either with that toy plane, or info that was in the envelope with it.
Though really, I'm not convinced that she's taking the plane itself to anyone. I think it's going to end up being something like Jin and Sun's FBs... how Sun's FB made the series of events look one way, and then when we saw Jin's FB, things didn't happen quite how we had thought - and Jin wasn't doing quite what we had thought. It's all about perspective and perception.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 03:49 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Plus, I don't really see how looking around in the back range of NSW would get us to Tom's dad.
There has to be something we are overlooking. I wonder if it was the ECHELON stuff that ME was talking about?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 03:51 PMby: OhioRob2 (1314 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2004
A has Said sorry I dont have a link, that Kate Is taking something to someone. That kate has what she wanted to take. I will try to find a link.
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by: meredg (1695 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 01, 2005 fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Yes, there is. Here dad was stationed at Ft. Lewis in Seattle, which is connected to the Yakima Firing Center. The Yakima Firing Center (also known as Yakima Firing Range) is connected to ECHELON, and Pine Gap Listening Station in Australia is part of ECHELON as well. Lenny and Sam were stationed at Pine Gap. ECHELON is a international intelligence gathering system - connected to the NSA of each government involved.Ada confirmed all this when I figured it out, but she said that I'm a season or two ahead. Not sure if that means it will come on in season 2, or season 3.
My jaw just hit the floor.......if you posted this previously I missed it.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 03:54 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Duckie: This goes well with a theory connected to the Echelon listening posts. This leads to what they found by listening such as the numbers being to connected something, but what? Or else they're doing something they want to insure remains secret. It seems to me it has to do with whatever happened on that island... is so top secret, so bad, the want to make sure no one ever finds out about it. We just don't know what "it" is yet. Rob: Just a small point here. Holding a piglet and making it squeal,which they always do,is a very STUPID thing to do. There are very few animals as dangerous as a sow seeking to protect her young. That may have been Kates concern more so than for the piggy.
Very true. What I found interesting though, and what might have been the point of that scene, is that most people would conclude, as you said, Rob, that they'd be expecting the mommy boar to be near by. But what did Sawyer say? He said, "Now we know daddy's got to be around here." Daddy. Supporting the point that he was subconsciously seeing the boar as his own dad.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 03:58 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 My jaw just hit the floor.......if you posted this previously I missed it.Mere, that made me smile.It was a little while back... might have been in Part 5 of this thread. I'll see if I can find it. Also, I'm not sure how it's going to all play out when it does come up - I have a feeling it's not going to be as all straightfoward and neat and tidy as all the pieces seemed to fit to me... but I think that because they obviously want to make it interesting and intriguing...
I see I made some typos in my post about that - oops!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 04:02 PMby: OhioRob2 (1314 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2004 A has Said sorry I dont have a link, that Kate Is taking something to someone. That kate has what she wanted to take. I will try to find a link.
http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=422504 Look for As posts in this thread it a short thread/
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 04:03 PMby: OhioRob2 (1314 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2004
Any chance Rancher Ray Is Danielles One Armed man?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 04:03 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I had re-posted these posts of A's on page 35, in a post asking her for some clarification, but I'll repost them here, since Rob has mentioned posts from A. about why Kate is in OZ:Posted: Aug 08 @ 10:08 AM by: Adawhen (2492 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 17, 2004 Does it have something to do with why she was in Australia? Yes, and no. It does, but she doesn't know it! She was in Australia for a reason, and the reason was not to hide out. She was after something or someone, and she was in the region on purpose. That region being near Melbourne. How's that for a nudge?Posted: Aug 15 @ 08:36 PM by: Adawhen (2492 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 17, 2004 Hey 04!Let's see what I can say without getting in trouble!Right now, viewers have a certain conception of Kate. In the first three hours, that conception will alter. Kate was going somewhere in Australia when she was caught. She was in the NSW for a reason, and there's not a whole lot going on in the back range. Take a look around, and see if you can't spot what it might have been! I see that you are researching in the Title thread as well, so let me tell you what I told them: Have you ever heard of IGY?Have fun!
So, the first one says she was "after" someone or something... sounds like she was looking for someone or something, not taking something to someone or something. Though maybe the post you were referring to Rob is different than these two.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 04:06 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Thanks for that Rob!
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That is one of the posts that made me question A...actually. She didn't get on that flight to LA on her own...the marshall put her there. She could have easily headed to Bali if the marshall hadn't caught her. I still don't get that.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
But, as far as where she was taking that plane...I'll have to think about that for a bit.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 04:12 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Sorry Rob, I had to move her post here for the sake of conversation - just easier:Posted: Jun 12 @ 08:46 PM by: Adawhen (2387 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 17, 2004 Hey Rob, She was looking for something! You don't end up 100 klicks from Melbourne for nothing!Here's something to consider while you're at it:She has what she wanted. The toy plane. Where was she TAKING it?http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=422504I hadn't seen that thread, so thanks for pointing it out!04, that's wild that you ever questioned A. - especially since I saw your recent post telling her how thrilled you were and how good it felt when you got a nod from her! I agree, does feel good!I would have thought Kate was lying about Bali if she wasn't talking to Sun, who Kate didn't think could speak English at that point. There would be no reason to lie. Unless Kate suspected that Sun COULD speak and understand English long before it was ever revealed... or even knew from the start... Anyway, so this makes it clear - Kate was taking the toy plane to someone. I don't think it was her simply taking a toy to someone - there's a lot more to it than that.
That post of A's about Kate taking the toy plane to someone would have been good info to share in the NSW thread, where the other posts of A's were that I cited here.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 04:13 PMby: LostinBlue (840 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005 A has Said sorry I dont have a link, that Kate Is taking something to someone. That kate has what she wanted to take. I will try to find a link.Was the envelope that the toy plane was in at the bank with the plane when the Marshall dumped out Kate's belongings?Maybe the favor Kate mentioned before the crash had to do with delivering whatever to whomever.Also, what is the timeline/chain of custody of the plane?
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 04:18 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Was the envelope that the toy plane was in at the bank with the plane when the Marshall dumped out Kate's belongings?Maybe the favor Kate mentioned before the crash had to do with delivering whatever to whomeverWell, the green envelope, with the plane in it, was in the marshal's Haliburton case, so it must have been. I guess. Not quite sure what you're asking aside from that.
I could see her maybe asking that of him - maybe. I know she told him before he died, and he asked what the favor was, she said she just wanted to make sure Ray got his reward $$... but I never quite knew if she was telling the truth or not. Felt like she just made that up on the fly.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 04:23 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 04, that's wild that you ever questioned A. - especially since I saw your recent post telling her how thrilled you were and how good it felt when you got a nod from her! I agree, does feel good!Yeah, I must admit that way back when I questioned her identity...mostly because of everyone that jumped all over me anytime I dared ask a question about her. I jumped over here from the plot board...and hadn't ever heard of her...and then over here it was "the purple one this" and "magnificent lady that" Then for awhile I believed that she was legit, but I thought she might be here to throw us off the right track, as the producers wouldn't want anyone guessing the true plot.Then I gave in and decided to believe...it's more fun that way.
But that was the first time she had ever acknowleged (sp?) my existence...so it did give me a bit of a thrill She is, after all, the closest thing this board has to a celebrity...other than Daddio of course
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 04:41 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Then I gave in and decided to believe...it's more fun that way.Yes, clap your hands and believe! And yes, have fun - that's what she loves!
We love her here! (in this thread, if anyone wonders where "here" is - but on the board in general too).
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 05:28 PMby: OhioRob2 (1314 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2004 ME we have discussed this before, I am sure (in my world anyway) that Rancher Ray is going to figure into Kates being in Oz. Could he be Danielles one-armed man or the person Kate was looking for? Still doesn't explain Bali though, unless she found whoever she was looking for had left Oz for Bali?
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Page(s) 14 << [ 1 272829303132333435363738 ] >> fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 06:00 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 ME we have discussed this before, I am sure (in my world anyway) that Rancher Ray is going to figure into Kates being in Oz. Could he be Danielles one-armed man or the person Kate was looking for? Still doesn't explain Bali though, unless she found whoever she was looking for had left Oz for Bali?Weird - I feel like I just read another post on the board this evening where someone asks if Rancher Ray could be Danielle's one-armed man. I highly doubt that. I think the amputed limbs are simply a running theme on the show for some reason... but don't think that Rancher Ray was ever on the island. For the longest time I WAS wondering if Ray was the very person she had set out to find... after all, he kept asking why his farm, out in the middle of no where (or at least 100km from Melbourne, and 15km from the nearest town). Seemed to me as if it wasn't a "just happened to be in the neighborhood" location. He also seemed to be very suspicious. I heard that people in Australia were very friendly - so you'd think he'd be friendlier to someone he found asleep in his sheep. I do think there's something going on with him, just not sure what yet. For the longest time I wondered if he was Kate's biological father, but then other people seemed to have enough doubt and reasons to rule that idea out. I think she saw him as a father figure for those three months though - and that's one reason she was so hurt that he turned her in. I think she felt she could trust him. I wonder if her real dad, or step dad, or foster dad, did the same thing - turned her in... and THAT'S why she was so hurt.I think the verdict is still out on ol' Ray - something shady is going on with him... Oh, and Rob, I had mentioned the same thing about Bali - but I think it was in the NSW thread... about why hate was in NSW. http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=516400&forumStart=30I had said that maybe she found out the person she was looking for had left for Bali.... though I wasn't sure about her 3 month stay over at Ray's though - except to earn money. She would have had to know the person in Bali would still be there after the three months, or had hoped he'd return after three months.
A. seemed to indicate that since Kate got on a plane to LA, she couldn't have been going to Bali, but I guess I thought Kate meant she had planned to go to Bali before she got nabbed by the marshal and put on the plane to LA. I know Kate lies, by why lie to a woman who you think can't understand or speak English, unless, as I said, Kate suspected that Sun really could speak or understand English?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 11:16 PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 She was looking for something! You don't end up 100 klicks from Melbourne for nothing!Here's something to consider while you're at it:She has what she wanted. The toy plane. Where was she TAKING it?http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=422504I'd like to quote a little more of that thread, if I may:After Need said that Kate was on her way to Bali, Ada replied:Does that make any sense? She's on a plane from Sydney to LA. Only way to Bali is by parachute! heeheeeheeeIs A saying that Kate needed to take the toy plane to LA? To someone she thought was in LA? The only person I can think of is the signer of the baseball, Tom's possible little league coach, John Locke.And Rob killed the thread with:So was Brandon going to free the chained folks on the Black Rock?Or was he planning to chain up someone else?And from another of Rob's threads, I'd like to quote Ada:Why was it "Not Fair" that Kate should be Home?http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=422534&forumStart=0tWhy wasn't it fair?Because it wasn't supposed to turn out like this. Because of the lost years. Becasue of the accusations, and the hate. Because of losing her home and the things that could have been, like Tom, and like --- other things.Because it wasn't her fault.Does that help?When Rob suggested an illigitimate child, Ada replied:ROB!They will come and take me away to a LOST island if we keep talking this!The key of what broke years ago lies in the letters to Kate.Were there letters in any other episodes? I don't remember any.This is the only screen cap of the letter. It's not very clear:http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=450&pos=34It talks about a "she" who is dying of cancer. Presumably this is Diane, although she isn't named. The writer is probably the primary caregiver, which makes it odd that Kate didn't try to contact this person when she went to visit Diane and Tom. The signature is covered by Kate's hand (of course) but there's a vine on the left that might end with a C monogram, or it could be just a swirly vine.I know we found a little time discrepancy with the licence plates. If my memory is correct (and please correct me if it isn't), the plates were from 1998-2000. The Marshal said that Tom died 2 years ago (2002) and that Kate had been running for 3 (2001). The letter says that "she may not have much time left," but
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that was part of the licence plate flashback, which probably happened at least a year before. This means that the person dying in the letter was NOT Diane.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Could it have been Kate's child who was dying when the letter was written? That would explain why Kate didn't ask Tom about the child and why one of the pictures looks like it's of a girl.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 11:36 PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 OR, what if Kate gave up the baby for adoption and recently learned its whereabouts? She might have been taking the plane, the only thing she had that belonged to its father, to the child.
Okay, time for me to go to bed. I guess I'll have to watch ... In Translation tomorrow.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 24 @ 11:47 PMby: LostinBlue (840 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005 Cac - Interesting thoughts. I don't think the letter is about a child. though. Here are some fragments I was able to pick from it:"the chemo and the doctors""...nothing else they can do. She's still as (stubborn as ever?) and refuses to stay at the hospital""growing weaker and feel that""(no?) other choice""I can only imagine how hard this may be for you. I fear more than anything that things (are?) ....""I don't know when this will....but I am hoping it is soon because she (may not) have much (time) left."
"I am so sorry....You will be... and prayers."
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 05:59 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 cac: The letter says that "she may not have much time left," but that was part of the licence plate flashback, which probably happened at least a year before. This means that the person dying in the letter was NOT Diane.cac, interesting thoughts - but why do you say that the license plate flash back happened at least a year before she went to see Diane? The way I saw it, she went to the hotel in Iowa, colored her hair, and then went to pick up her mail. That's when she got the letter, read it in her car, then went to see Tom, asked him for help seeing Diane, went home with him to talk and then they went and dug up the time capsule. Next day, he helped her see Diane, and then the car accident and his death followed. It all happened within days of each other... not a year apart.
At this point, I agree with Blue that the letter is talking about Diane. It just sounds like a much older person than a child.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 06:09 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 After Need said that Kate was on her way to Bali, Ada replied:Does that make any sense? She's on a plane from Sydney to LA. Only way to Bali is by parachute! heeheeeheeeIs A saying that Kate needed to take the toy plane to LA? To someone she thought was in LA? The only person I can think of is the signer of the baseball, Tom's possible little league coach, John Locke.Cac, I did see those posts from A. on that thread, but the only thing that confuses me about that is, Kate was on that plane to LA because the marshal put her on the plane to LA... not because SHE bought a ticket to LA and got on the plane of her own free will Was she planning to go to LA next anyway? And that still doesn't answer what she was doing in OZ, if she was taking the plane to someone there (Australia), but just ended up taking it to LA instead. It just doesn't add up.I also don't know why she'd bother lying to Sun at that point if she didn't think Sun could speak or understand English, unless, as I said earlier, she suspected that Sun could indeed understand English back then. This was one case where I thought she was telling the truth, for that very reason - because she didn't think Sun could understand English, so why lie? And I took the statement to mean that she had PLANNED to go to Bali (before getting nabbed by the 'marshal'), but ended up on a plane to LA instead.
Who knows with Kate though. Just seems a dumb thing to lie about, whether Sun understood English or not.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 07:22 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Just a few thoughts on last nights episode before I lose my train of thought Jin hears birds flapping away, right before he goes to the creek to wash up, and Sawyer catches him. I don't know if it's significant, but they seemed to pause on it a bit? Jin must have already delivered one watch to who he was suppose to! One was going to Sydney, and he was already there, and leaving...so he had delivered one, to who?The guy he beat up was an Environmental Safety someone? Sorry I don't remember his exact title, just that it was Environmental, so Sun's father was doing something to the Environment that he shouldn't of??Who was it that Sawyer hit in Australia? Warren something, what was his title? Sun's father is about as Daddy Evil as Mr. Cooper Edited to add I finally saw the lava golf balls!
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 08:19 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 14. Jin tells Mr. Han the factory opens when?Tomorrow
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But if you notice the dog is a pupppy when this takes place, but the puppy is a dog when he comes home from beating the guy, so time has passed, between the first meeting and the second. So did he let the factory open up for awhile, and then the offense that was taking place get so bad, he had to close it?fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 08:33 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 8 What building in what city inspired Michael to study architeture?The Flatiron building in NYhttp://www.glasssteelandstone.com/US/NY/NewYorkFlatiron.htmlAlso known as: Fuller Building Built: 1902 Designed by: Daniel H. Burnham Type: SkyscraperLocation: Fifth avenue between 22nd and 23rd streets Not well known among those not from the area, or not into historic architecture, the Flatiron Building is a favorite of New Yorkers and admirers around the world. Perhaps because it symbolizes so much of how New Yorkers see themselves -- Defiant, bold, sophisticated, and interesting. With just enough embedded grime and soot to highlight its details. The Flatiron's most interesting feature is its shape -- a slender hull plowing up the streets of commerce as the bow off a great ocean liner plows through the waves of its domain. The apex of the building is just six feet wide, and expands into a limestone wedge adorned with Gothic and Renaissance details of Greek faces and terra cotta flowers. The building has two claims to fame -- one architectural, the other cultural. Some consider the Flatiron Building to be New York City's first skyscraper. It certainly was one of the first buildings in the city to employ a steel frame to hold up its 285-foot tall facade, but not the first. Some felt its shape (like a flatiron) was less artistic and more dangerous. They thought it would fall over, and during construction the Flatiron Building was nicknamed "Burnham's Folly." The building's cultural legacy is a little more interesting and has passed into the local social consciousness as a fable. It is said that the building created unusual eddies in the wind which would cause women's skirts to fly around as they walked on 23rd street. This attracted throngs of young men who gathered to view the barelegged spectacle. Police would try to disperse these knots of heavy-breathers by calling to them, "23 Skidoo." This phrase has passed out of common usage, but its descendant, the word "scram" remains in a back corner of the American lexicon.
Didn't someone on another thread just mention 23 Skidoo??
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 08:51 AMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
It's a phrase used a lot in the Illuminati mythology.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 09:01 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 OK, I'm going to answer my own question It was Warren Truss and he was Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry, so we have someone involved in Environmental Safety, and one involved in Agriculture....hmmmmmm!I searched on Warren Truss, and this was the first thing that I readAudio Releases 2000This page contains audio releases issued by Warren Truss, the Former Federal Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry. Budget boost shows commitment to rural Australia This year's Federal budget is delivering a major boost of $353 million dollars in new or extended programs for Australian agriculture. The key initiative is the extension of the Agriculture-Advancing Australia package, set to strengthen rural communities and help farmers become more self-reliant.Quarantine, protection for plant and animal health, and biotechnology are among the other Budget initiatives that will benefit primary producers. The Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry, Warren Truss, says the Budget shows the Federal Government is committed to rural and regional Australia:(Audio Grab) using Real Audio format"This is a budget for regional Australia. It delivers some outcomes from the Rural Summit to support local communities, and it provides some very important new initiatives for agriculture. There's $309 million for an extended Agriculture-Advancing Australia package, and that'll provide real assistance to farmers facing difficulty and help support farmers with new innovative ideas."Minister Truss says the extension of the Agriculture Advancing Australia program will deliver a range of benefits to primary producers: (Audio Grab ) using Real Audio format"The Farmbis and Property Management Planning Schemes will be integrated into a new program with substantially increased funding, the old Farm Family Restart Scheme will be revitalised as a new Farm Help Program. And there'll be a new Farm Innovation Scheme, to help encourage innovation and diversification in farming." Extra funding to protect Australia during the Olympics Special funding of $1.55 million in the Federal budget will help to protect local rural industries from the extra risks posed by the influx of overseas visitors for the Sydney 2000 Olympic Games. The Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) will use the funds to meet the demands of an increase in international travellers and air and sea cargo during the Olympics. Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry Warren Truss says the Olympics funding is just part of the government's commitment to protecting Australia from exotic pests and diseases:(Audio Grab) using Real Audio format"The Government gives a very high priority to quarantine issues. There's extra money in this year's Budget to deal with the special costs associated with the Sydney Olympics, there's seven and a half million because of the extra cost of quarantine measures associated with movements in and out of East
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Timor, and there's more money also to help support the Northern quarantine operations, and to maintain the high level of commitment that's being made at the present time."fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Budget funds new technologies for Australian agriculture The Federal Government is committing $3.65 million over the next four years to fully investigate the cost of segregating products developed with gene technology. An industry based committee will look into tracing genetically modified products back to their origins, as well as providing information to industry and government on market requirements for genetically modified products. Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry Warren Truss says the initiative is just one part of the Federal government's national biotechnology strategy:(Audio Grab) using Real Audio format"The government has delivered on its commitment to develop a national strategy for biotechnology. 30.5 million dollars has been provided in the budget, including three and a half million to assess the requirements and costs associated with segregating products that are genetically modified."$45 Million Package Benefits Dairy Communities The Federal government is providing $45 million dollars in the Budget to help local dairy communities affected by the State governments' deregulation of their sector. Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry Warren Truss says the funding will provide support during a period of transition:(Audio Grab) using Real Audio format"The Budget delivers on the Federal government's commitment to provide a 45 million dollar dairy regional assistance program to assist communities affected by the State government's decision to deregulate the dairy industry. The funding will help make dairy communities stronger by providing support for new industries, counselling services, and community infrastructure to deal with issues associated with dairy deregulation."Minister announces resumption of live sheep to Saudi ArabiaThe Minister for Agriculture Fisheries and Forestry, Warren Truss, announced today that the first trial shipments of live sheep to Saudi Arabia will begin next week.Minister Truss says he is hopeful the trials will restore this important market for Australia:(Audio Grab 1) using Real Audio formatGRAB 1: "The first trial shipment of 60 000 sheep will leave Fremantle next week, and that'll be followed by six trial shipments, following which there'll be a review conducted of the trade, and I hope that will quickly restore what was a wonderful market for the Australian industry."
Didn't someone mention something about feeding pork to sheep, and shipping them to muslims? I need to go back and read.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 11:42 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 bliss: Jin hears birds flapping away, right before he goes to the creek to wash up, and Sawyer catches him. I don't know if it's significant, but they seemed to pause on it a bit? bliss, i heard this flapping too.bliss: Jin must have already delivered one watch to who he was suppose to! One was going to Sydney, and he was already there, and leaving...so he had delivered one, to who?The guy he beat up was an Environmental Safety someone? Sorry I don't remember his exact title, just that it was Environmental, so Sun's father was doing something to the Environment that he shouldn't of??Who was it that Sawyer hit in Australia? Warren something, what was his title? bliss, cac and I were chatting last night. After seeing In Translation again, I think it was more clear than ever that when Jin told his father that he had to "deliver messages" to Mr. Paik's associates in Sydney and LA, he was was refering to the same kind of "message delivery" that Mr. Paik wanted him to impart on Byan Han... Secretary of the Enviornment.So, Jin was to go to Sydney and LA and "strong arm" (aka, "deliver messages") to two of Paik's "associates".... then leave the watches as "calling cards" and "reminders". And yes, we thought the Sydney associate might be Warren Truss, Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry. My thought is that Jin roughed up Truss, and then in order to explain the cuts and bruises, because surely the public, press and his colleagues would notice and want to know (and he'd be too afraid to press charges against Jin), Truss went out to a bar and made it look like Sawyer head-butted him.... provoking a fight. No one would believe Sawyer over a govt. official. The odd part is that Warren Truss isn't fictional, but a real person.bliss: Edited to add I finally saw the lava golf balls!
Yay! I was hoping some other people would be able to notice them last night. Don't they look like that little circle above the crater?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 11:51 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 It was Warren Truss and he was Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry, so we have someone involved in Environmental Safety, and one involved in Agriculture....hmmmmmm!Actually, Truss's role covers more than agriculture... with "forestry" and "fisheries", he's pretty much environmental too. Truss would have say about anything that was impacting forests, rivers, streams (anywhere fish live)...
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 11:58 AMby: OhioRob2 (1314 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2004
Messages can be delivered 2 ways! I think the watches were bribes. Byun Han was Secretary of Enviromental Safty. How was the public safty being threatened by an Auto Company? It has to be iminante danger!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 12:08 PMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 The odd part is that Warren Truss isn't fictional, but a real person.Has anyone checked to see if Byun Han isn't the real Secretary of Environmental Safety?
So can we assume that he was going to L.A. to find someone high up in this same area, environmental, conservation, etc...
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 12:18 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Messages can be delivered 2 ways! I think the watches were bribes. Byun Han was Secretary of Enviromental Safty. How was the public safty being threatened by an Auto Company? It has to be iminante danger!Messages can be delivered in a LOT of different ways! But what I'm saying is, when Jin didn't understand what Paik meant by "deliver a message" to Byun Hana, and Jin didn't "deliver the message" to Han the way Paik was referring to, Paik was ticked and sent one of his assasin goons with Jin back to Han's to show Jin how to "deliver a message". Paik clearly meant one thing when he said he wanted Jin "deliver a message" for him. Jin learned that.When Jin went to talk to his own father, he said he had to go "deliver messages" to two of Paik's associates, in Sydney in LA. I thought it was more clear than ever last night - I don't know why I didn't get it before.I don't think Jin was merely "bribing" anyone with those watches. For one thing, those watches would be a sorry excuse for a bribe - considering what Paik probably wanted in exchange. The watches were calling cards - "reminders".. after Jin "delivered the message" from Paik - same type of message he delivered to Han, the second time.As far as how the public can be threatened by an auto company... environmental reasons. Manufacturing. Waste dumping into streams, off shore, water basins... land fills... factory emissions that are releasing a level of toxins higher than govt. regulations allow... All of those things could shut down a factory until the company spends the $$ to have all those things fixed so it meets govt. regulations. However, if the govt. agency that regulates those things looks the other way, because of extortion, threats, bribery, etc... then the factory wouldn't be shut down, but the enviroment, including the people and animals and anything living around it, would/could be severly impacted.So, that's how an auto company could threaten the safety of the public.
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 12:31 PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 I agree that the watches are part of the message (along with a beating). I think they were chosen because they represent time. Perhaps there was a deadline that Mr. Paik was reminding the government officials that they had to meet.
It's also possible that the product of the factory doesn't meet environmental standards -- they are being tightened on cars all the time. I'm also wondering if the factory produces something else and cars are just the cover for money-laundering purposes. The other product, or its byproducts, could be dangerous to the environment. What else could they be producing? How about spare parts for monsters on mysterious islands?Or something else that's connected to the island.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 12:45 PMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 I'm also wondering if the factory produces something else and cars are just the cover for money-laundering purposes.
I agree, Paik has too much power to be "just" a car company owner. The Secretary of Environmental Safety knew who he was immediately, and knew to be deathly afraid of him.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 12:46 PMby: OhioRob2 (1314 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2004 I guess it depends too on the message. Hans messages was one of displeasure. you maybe right.As far as the plant being shut down. Big industry has been raping the earth in the ways you described for a long time. Have you ever heard of a plant being shut down? I haven't. As a government worker who was responsible for industry complience, I can tell you for certain, closing a plant requires immediate danger and is a very last resort.Verbal warnings,written warnnings apeals to warnings, fines and apealles to fines all come before a closing. Unless someones life is in immediate danger.Lawyers find loop holes and stall the process every step of the way. I cant imagine how much power
Hundyi has in Korea. But Ford GM or Crysler will never be shut down in this country. With Lawyers who needs an extortionist.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 12:49 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 As far as the plant being shut down. Big industry has been raping the earth in the ways you described for a long time. Have you ever heard of a plant being shut down? I haven't.
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Well, just because I haven't heard of it, doesn't mean it hasn't happened. As Locke says, "You can hear everything."fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Seriously though - you're right... so whatever it is, it must be huge... because it IS something. The factory WAS going to be shut down - that seems to be a fact... so no matter what anyone else's experience has been, something was going on, and from what you're telling me (which of course I believe, and appreciate the info) it had to be big, and dangerous.
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 12:52 PMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 bliss, i heard this flapping too.
Well, we know Jin has super duper hearing! Maybe this was to let us know Sawyer was coming? Sawyer was walking in the woods looking for Jin, maybe he startled the birds, but why didn't Jin take it as a warning?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 01:07 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 bliss, i heard this flapping too.Well, we know Jin has super duper hearing! Maybe this was to let us know Sawyer was coming? Sawyer was walking in the woods looking for Jin, maybe he startled the birds, but why didn't Jin take it as a warning?Good point!The monster known as Sawyer is a comin'!
(for the record, Sawyer's my favorite character!)
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 01:10 PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
I was just going to say the same thing, ME. Flapping also precedes the arrival of the monster. Presumably this is some sort of parallel. Maybe telling us that the birds can sense the monster before the people do? But we already knew that.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 01:17 PMby: meredg (1695 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 01, 2005 14. Jin tells Mr. Han the factory opens when?TomorrowBut if you notice the dog is a pupppy when this takes place, but the puppy is a dog when he comes home from beating the guy, so time has passed, between the first meeting and the second. So did he let the factory open up for awhile, and then the offense that was taking place get so bad, he had to close it?
I caught that too! Made me think of A telling us the flashbacks are not in chronoligical order. At first it seems these two events are very close together timewise. Puppy to big full grown dog--not close. So two different factories? Same one with different "problems" or reasons for being closed?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 01:18 PMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 What else could they be producing? How about spare parts for monsters on mysterious islands? Or something else that's connected to the island.
Could it have something to do with oil? Cars use oil, and didn't you say something about The fall of Clyde the ship that the used in "creating" The Black Rock carry oil or something like that?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 01:30 PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 When the American government is involved, doesn't everything have to do with oil?
Yes, the Falls of Clyde was an oil tanker at one point, but I think that clue had more to do with the water-powered mill and the creation of a new town to support it - sort of like a prototype for the island.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 02:41 PMby: dad_of_4_ (1118 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Aug 05, 2005 Could he be Danielles one-armed man or the person Kate was looking for?Rob - I doubt it...our island has a very Hotel California quality about it...You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave...
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 02:50 PMby: dad_of_4_ (1118 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Aug 05, 2005 bliss, cac and I were chatting last night. After seeing In Translation again, I think it was more clear than ever that when Jin told his father that he had to "deliver messages" to Mr. Paik's associates in Sydney and LA, he was was refering to the same kind of "message delivery" that Mr. Paik wanted him to impart on Byan Han... Secretary of the Enviornment.So, Jin was to go to Sydney and LA and "strong arm" (aka, "deliver messages") to two of Paik's "associates".... then leave the watches as "calling cards" and "reminders". Reminders that time is running out and that your making money on this deal too.. Hence Rolex....
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The watch that was going to LA - headed for Hurley the fat american millionaire on the TV....fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>I'm going to go get the post I made this AM...Just glad that Cac, sea and me are on the same page...usually means we're close to something...here it is...Dad whistles a happy tune.....Jin was to deliver a watch to Hurley?What is Jin's job? He's the new message delivery guy right?Maybe the message is, time is running out for you?Hurley on the TV at the secretary's house as part of a news program? You think that a kid would watch that over Cartoon Network? So the secretary is watching the news about the fat American Millionaire....Jin is delivering a message to the secretary of environmental impact?Hurley and Jin have been connected from the beginning....I'm hungry but I'm not that hungry...P on it...Hey man I'm trying......Jin and Hurley are going to dance and it's all about the watch.....Tick tick tick tick tick tick.....Another long shot but hey you know I like the odds...and in numbers when the body goes flying past the window....I don't think he was a jumper but Mr. Paik's Associate delivering a message to someone at the firm that Hurley has hired to manage his funds....Korean Angel of Death in the White Armani Suit comes a calling.......Time ran out....
Jin calls....There's still time....
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 02:59 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Dad, I like your thoughts and I agree we're pretty much on the same page - though don't think that Jin was delivering a watch to Hurley. I think he was going to deliver it to an environmental official in LA. Here's my current thought...I'm wondering..... instead assuming that the "message" Paik gave to Han had to do with Han shutting Paik's factory down, maybe it had to do with granting him permits to open new factories?I know Jin apologizes to Paik about old machinery, but Paik has clearly had factories in production for quite a while... but what about new factories... what if he's having a hard time getting the permits, because of where it's located, etc. What if Paik was strong-arming Han to grant him the permits he needs to open the new factory?
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 04:13 PMby: OhioRob2 (1314 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2004 I like it ME because plants are nearly impossible to shut down regulators arevery picky about plants meeting regs before opening. I think your headed the right direction. Could Hurleys tennis shoe factory that burned down in Canada be being otsoarced to Korea? Maybe using child labor provided by Mr Paik?
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Page(s) 14 << [ 1 272829303132333435363738 ]fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 04:33 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I like it ME because plants are nearly impossible to shut down regulators arevery picky about plants meeting regs before opening. I think your headed the right direction. Could Hurleys tennis shoe factory that burned down in Canada be being otsoarced to Korea? Maybe using child labor provided by Mr Paik?Glad you like it, Rob! After looking at the Cali. Evironmental Protection site, I noticed a section for permits... and it occurred to me -permits! And looked like LOTS of permits needed to open a factory!Not sure about Hurley's sneaker factory though - we know Jin was sent to Australia, and LA. I think he wanted permits to open factories in those locations as well. I still feel that we're talking about an automobile angle... or something secret that could be made with an auto factory as a cover. I also still feel like Paik's car company is going to be involved in all these car crashes we've heard about on Lost - lots of tires falling off. But I don't think Paik is going to be involved in all the factories and companies we've heard about though - like the sneaker factory, or box company. I think that would be a bit much, and would stretch things too thin as far as Paik goes.
I mentioned child labor too this evening in another thread, after LostinBlue shared some info. about "trafficking". I wondered if Paik was using child labor in his factories as well...
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 04:43 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
Do you think the cars are also connected to Michael's drawring on Oceanic?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 05:47 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Do you think the cars are also connected to Michael's drawring on Oceanic?
Yes, I think it could be. Maybe indirectly - in the sense that I don't think Michael was necessarily working for Mr. Paik's company, but maybe a company that is subcontracted, or that provides parts, etc.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 25 @ 10:09 PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 My answers to Ada's questions:1. What is Sun's father's name?Mr. Paik.Nam June Paik is an artist who was born in Korea and lives in New York. "Through a vast array of installations, videotapes, global television productions, films, and performances, Paik has reshaped our perceptions of the temporal image in contemporary art." In early 2004 an exhibition of his cars was on display at the National Gallery of Australia, which was on loan from the Samsung Foundation of Culture in Seoul.http://www.guggenheim.org/exhibitions/past_exhibitions/paik/http://www.nga.gov.au/namjumpaik/index.htm2. Where does Jin tell Sun's father his own father is?Dead, but at the end we learn that he was really ashamed of his humble origins. Now, I'm sure, Jin is relieved that his father is safe because Mr. Paik also thinks he's dead.3. What does Jin tell him Sun is to him?"She is my dream." A dream can be very different to reality, as Jin quickly learns.4. What does Sun say her father's business is in the scene where Jin is buttoning her dress?A car company. I wonder, though, if the car factory is really a cover for something else he's producing there. Could he be making spare parts for mysterious monsters on secret islands?Or something else that's needed on the island.5. Why does Sun tell Michael she hit him?"I was protecting you ... from Jin. You don't know what he's capable of." Sun believes her husband to be a hit man. She wants Michael to have a negative image of Jin.6. Who goes to Jin and tries to get him to relax? How?Hurley invites Jin to go fishing. This probably reminds Jin of the many times he's gone fishing with his father. This simpler, happier life is something that working for Mr. Paik has made him long for. Jin also told Mr. Paik that his goal was to open a restaurant and a hotel. On the island he has returned to this by fishing for his fellow castaways.7. What's Shannon's idea of a fun Saturday night?Alone with Sayid and some rope. This foreshadows the first time she will be alone with Sayid.8. What building in what city inspired Michael to study architecture?The Flatiron Building, the oldest skyscraper in New York, built in 1902.Michael saying that he remembers the first time he saw the Flatiron building tells us that he wasn't born in New York. It's the first of a new type of construction. The island might also be the first of it's type of construction.I still think this is Michael's attempt to get Walt to channel his ?potential' into creating images on paper, or constructions in space, rather than just creating things in his mind.It looks like a boat coming up the street.The Flatiron building, on 23rd Street, is why 23 is an important number to Michael. In other words, that's how he 'got' that number. Whomever showed him the building, or is the reason he moved to New York, is
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his connection to the Island. This plays perfectly into my theory that the numbers had been 'given' to all of them in the past and when they were heard together (when Hurley's lottery win was reported), they subconsciously answered the call to the island.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>9. What did Michael need for the mast, and so he sold Sawyer a spot to get it from him?A halyard, for which Sawyer provided a cable. Are cables part of a plane's construction or did Sawyer find it elsewhere? I would think that cable would also be part of the monster. Something rope-like had to have been pulling Locke toward that hole.Is halyard a commonly known term? Or does this indicate that Michael had some experience with boats? We know that Susan wanted to live on one, Kate crewed J-boats, Shannon had a boyfriend with a sailboat, Jin's father was a fisherman. Could they all have boats in their pasts?In sailing, a halyard is a line (rope) that is used to hoist (pull up) a sail or a yard to which a sail has been attached (bent on). A triangular (Bermuda or "Marconi") sail has only one halyard which is attached at its uppermost point (the head), while a gaff rigged sail has two, a throat halyard and a peak halyard. Halyards, like most other parts of the running rigging, were classically made of natural fiber like manila or hemp. Today, polyester is most often used, but stainless steel or galvanized steel may be found on some older yachts, and lightweight carbon fiber on racing vessels.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halyard10. What is Jin's full name?Jin-Soo KwonJinsoo Kim, artist:Artificial intelligence, digital technology, and genetic engineering have already altered our perception of the natural world. Artists today are exploring the possibilities of re-ordering or re-inventing reality while accepting its simulacra as a natural consequence.Jinsoo Kim's installations investigate realities of all sorts while challenging traditional assumptions about the space, the world, and its contents. Kim creates alternative often-improved worlds in his constructions that sometimes result in fictional images, which nevertheless appear plausible. Kim's apertures for example, which seem like shutter panels are partially open but can also be understood as being on the verge of closing....http://www.tenri.org/jinsoo.html11. Who is Byun Han?Byung Han is the Secretary for Environmental Safety.Jin most likely delivered a similar message, along with a watch, to Warren Truss, Minister of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries in Australia and planned to do the same for some government official in California.12. Where does Sawyer find Jin?Jin's sitting under (or is he in?) a banyan tree. He hears birds flutter and then goes to the river to soak his hands in the water. He's not really washing them; they probably still hurt from being burned so he's trying to soothe them.Was it Sawyer who disturbed the birds or the monster? Since the banyan tree is natural protection, the monster could have been about.13. What does Locke tell Shannon everyone gets on the island?"A new life." He tells her to do what she wants rather than what Boone wants. Again, this foreshadows the time when Boone will no longer be there to direct her actions. Does Shannon's new life begin when she decides to be with Sayid or when Boone dies?14. Jin tells Mr. Han the factory opens when?Tomorrow. As others have noted, that puppy grows up awfully fast. These flashbacks happen over a longer period of time. Jin also promised Sun a honeymoon in 6 months, so is the trip to Lost Island that honeymoon? I think more than 6 months have passed, though. I think the Jin is washing away the blood of another message; not the one we saw him deliver to Mr. Han.15. What two survivors try to get Michael to calm down and leave Jin alone on the beach when Sawyer brings him back?Jack and Hurley try to stop Michael. Sawyer and Sayid want to let them fight it out on their own. Michael can fight pretty well, considering he's an artist and construction worker fighting Mr. Paik's ?special assistant.'16. What didn't Hurley "see coming"?Sun speaking English.17. What does Sawyer call Sun when he asks if she is going to lecturing them about lying?Betty. Earlier, he called Jin ?Bruce.' Bruce Lee died at the home of Betty Ting Pei.According to the movie, 'Bruce Lee, a Dragon Story,' she was the actress Bruce Lee was having an affair with at the time of his death. Also according to this movie, his death came as a result of her giving him prescription cramp medicine that caused his brain to swell three times larger than normal.http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0863916/bioIf this is the Betty in question, they could be foreshadowing Sun's attempted poisoning of Jin.18. Who defends Sun when Sawyer suggests she is lying to cover for Jin?Locke: Okay, it's personal, by why take it out on our best chance of getting off the island? Why would any one of us block an attempt to get home? We're so intent on pointing the finger at one another that we're ignoring the simple undeniable truth that the problem isn't here, it's there. [pointing to the jungle] They've attacked us, sabotaged us, abducted us, murdered us. Maybe it's time we stop blaming us and start worrying about them. We're not the only people on this island and we all know it.He knows Walt did it, but is covering for him too.19. What does Jin tell Sun at the cave?"It's too late."When he left Korea, he was ready to make their marriage his priority, but her behaviour towards him on the island is what has changed his mind. Everyone else on the island sees Jin as the bad one because that's what Sun wanted them to think. He now recognizes this in her and doesn't like it.
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fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Jin and Walt have submitted to the wills of Michael and Mr. Paik because they thought it was the respectful thing to do. By burning the raft and deciding to stay in America, they each chose a new life for themselves where they believed they would be happier.Michael and Mr. Kwon both love their children unconditionally. This is unique among the fathers we've seen on this show.Message was edited by: cac120 - adding to #20.
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 26 @ 08:20 AMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 This thread contunues as Part 7. Please move all further discussions to:
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Sep 07 @ 11:29 PMby: Sazyga (1579 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 03, 2004 by jerseylostfan - sometime in JuneWas it ever resolved if that possibly was little Jack in the scene with Locke and the mousetrap game? The two boys look alike.
Probably not discussing this anymore, but I don't think the kid looks that whitebread. It might be Hurley, he sprang the trap.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Sep 08 @ 06:22 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Probably not discussing this anymore, but I don't think the kid looks that whitebread. It might be Hurley, he sprang the trap.
Saz, we're in Part 7 now... but what was your post in response to? I'm interested, but can't spot the post or passage you're replying to.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Sep 08 @ 12:23 PMby: Sazyga (1579 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 03, 2004 Saz, we're in Part 7 now... but what was your post in response to? I'm interested, but can't spot the post or passage you're replying to.
It was in this thread by jerseylostfan sometime around June 28. I was thinking about it being Hurley and just got to see that ep again. I searched "mousetrap boy" to find the latest discussion and this is thread is what I found, so I posted here.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Sep 11 @ 11:04 AMby: Janetjune (987 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 08, 2004
I'm not sure, but it looks as if George is out and about already. I am having trouble getting around in this thread. My own lack of coordination, I'm sure. Janet
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Sep 12 @ 08:59 AMby: sassafras__k (7 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 08, 2005
Was it ever brought up how Claire also suffers from Daddy issues, and mommy issues too? I did a search for "Daddy issues" and wasnt able to find anything about Claire.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Sep 12 @ 09:05 AMby: sassafras__k (7 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 08, 2005 A certain someone has been stressing the number 7. I realized that in the "Flysail"story when Shannon is in the hatch she recognizes a star(constellation) that is above the window she can see out of.She says it is Rigel of the Orion Constellation. That is the 7th brightest star known to man. Dont know if it means anything just thought I'd put it out there.
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