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Sayid was in the Republican Guard for 5 years. If he left shortly after the Nadia incident, 7 years ago, that means he served from 1992-1997.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 21 @ 04:21 AMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
cac, great homework. I'm sure you'll get an A. Only thing I have to add at this time is that Jack was VERY uncomfortable when Sayid was torturing Sawyer. But he let him do it 'for the greater good.'
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 21 @ 07:37 AMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
Ada has referred many time to a sequence of events taking place. A happens, then B, then C. Or words to that effect. Have we ever established any of these components? And if so, do we know if diferent things happen if B happens before A, etc.?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 21 @ 08:02 AMby: lost_wraith (129 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 07, 2005 This has probably been discussed but I must have missed it before: The shark in the pool hall tells Sawyer that he must bring back the money plus 50% in one day. Sawyer left the sharks money when he walked out, right? Or was that the additional money from the people he was scamming? Either way, he owed the shark somewhere between $75K and $225K of money that he didn't have.
Was this addressed in Sawyers second FB episode? I don't remember it.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 21 @ 09:10 AMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 We've been discussing this in the Question thread. Here's what I just posted there:FB1 - Sawyer shows Jess the money.FB2 - Continuation of hotel room scene.FB3 - Restaurant meeting with David where Sawyer presumably leaves $140,000 with them.Island torture scene triggersFB4 - Pool room - Sawyer left $160,000 with a couple, is asked where the seed money is from the last job, will be tortured if he doesn't come up with $124,000 by the next day.FB5 - Sees boy and leaves both his profit and his seed money.Tells Kate about his first con when he was 19.The flashbacks are ordered so that we think they are chronological, but we've seen in other episodes that this was done to mislead us and they were actually out of order. All the scenes with the couple happen in the logical order, but there are two ways to interpret what the pool man is saying.Sawyer has left $160,000 with a couple. This could be the $140,000 he left with Jess and David plus $20,000 he's kept for himself. Then Sawyer leaves the money with them and the pool man will be after him for repayment.He also asks where Sawyer's seed money is from the last job. If the last job were on the same scale, Sawyer would actually have had to spend $300,000 for it all to be gone. Sawyer says he likes spending money, but that's a LOT of money for anyone to spend, particularly when you know that you're going to need half of it for the next job. Whenever possible, a con man would live off his profits and keep reusing the same seed money. There has to be a reason why Sawyer doesn't have his seed money and is forced to borrow from the pool man. And we know that he left his seed money with Jess and David.I don't know about Sawyer being the cop. Military maybe. I still think Kate is more likely to be some sort of cop.Repeated phrases:"Calling it off, walking away." This is what Charlie wanted to do last week. Charlie couldn't walk away, but Sawyer did.Kate uses the phrase, "coming back around" in reference to the letter. "It'll come back around."
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 21 @ 11:07 AMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Ada has referred many time to a sequence of events taking place. A happens, then B, then C. Or words to that effect. Have we ever established any of these components? And if so, do we know if diferent things happen if B happens before A, etc.?This thread is working on it, Davis.http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=0&threadID=422849&forumStart=0
By "B happens before A," do you mean that we might have some things out of order? On this island, I think that's highly possible.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 21 @ 11:27 AMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 By "B happens before A," do you mean that we might have some things out of order? On this island, I think that's highly possible.cac, thanks for the link, I'll take a look in a minute. No, I didn't mean things were out of order on the island although I'm pretty sure that they are. I meant that the sequence that Ada refers to, does it always happen in the same order A then B then C etc. Or does B sometimes happen without A, or C first etc. I guess it all depends on what A, B & C stand for. Maybe I'll have more of an idea once I read a join the other thread. *Buzzing over there now*OK I'm back. *panting breathlessly* I found what I was looking for about a sequence of events.OK, biting my tongue isn't working, so let's just give it up.Try looking at a sequence of events.You heard me.A happens, then B, then C.
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Just take a look again, OK?fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=371044#3812452Message was edited by: daviscbls
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 21 @ 12:08 PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 In The Moth questions, Ada asked us to look at the scene where Michael speaks to Scott and Steve.http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=62&pos=195Are they (or one of them) twins?No wonder we've been having so much trouble keeping them straight.
Davis, I'll go look at the original thread to see exactly what that was in reference to.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 21 @ 12:13 PMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
I'm sure that twins are going to play a big part in the mystery. It has been hinted at many times. Are Scott and Steve played by the same actor?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 21 @ 12:18 PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 I meant that the sequence that Ada refers to, does it always happen in the same order A then B then C etc. Or does B sometimes happen without A, or C first etc. I guess it all depends on what A, B & C stand for. OK, biting my tongue isn't working, so let's just give it up.Try looking at a sequence of events.You heard me.A happens, then B, then C.Just take a look again, OK?http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=371044#3812452In this case, Ada was specifically asking what had happened before the light came on in the hatch.C is definitely the light coming on.A and B I think have to do with the Whisperers' (?) perception of what Locke was doing.A. He tried to forcefully open it and failed.B. He questioned his faith, showed his vulnerability and ...C. The light came on.
Davis, I'm still not sure what you're asking about things always happening in the same order. Ada has used ABC several times to show different sequences of events. Are you sure this is the one you were looking for? I think she might have used it with the monster's appearances. Is that what you're thinking of?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 21 @ 12:20 PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 I'm sure that twins are going to play a big part in the mystery. It has been hinted at many times. Are Scott and Steve played by the same actor?
No, I actually think the third person in the photo is one of them later on, but it's the two who look alike who answer Michael this time.
Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 21 @ 12:39 PMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 Yes, I think I was referring to the appearance of the monster but I couldn't find that thread. I was wondering if for example (these are only example, I'm not saything they actually happen):A = Someone makes a certain decision.B = It's a certain type of weather condition present.C = someone strays too close to what ever the security system is protecting. Therefore, the monster makes an appearance.What I was asking is what if B= the weather conditions were right, then A = someone makes a certain decision, then C they stray too close to the security system. Would the monster still appear or does it have to be A then B then C?Ada?
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 21 @ 02:04 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Yes, I think I was referring to the appearance of the monster but I couldn't find that thread. I was wondering if for example (these are only example, I'm not saything they actually happen):A = Someone makes a certain decision.B = It's a certain type of weather condition present.C = someone strays too close to what ever the security system is protecting. Therefore, the monster makes an appearance.
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What I was asking is what if B= the weather conditions were right, then A = someone makes a certain decision, then C they stray too close to the security system. Would the monster still appear or does it have to be A then B then C?fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Ada?Message was edited by: daviscbls
I think Ada was saying that a sequential series of events happen... like A. the EMF is turned on, causing the magnetite particles to swarm about, B. the secret bat cave door is opened, C. the "security sytem" is released... for example. but, yes.. sequential.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 21 @ 02:08 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Kate uses the phrase, "coming back around" in reference to the letter. "It'll come back around."Yes, she sure does!I also want to add that Sawyer wanting Jack to "let go" was be not so much about Jack not being able to "let go" (though did related to that), but was about Sawyer wanting to let go before he should. Sawyer wanted Jack to let go of his arm/artery because he wanted to die. As much as Jack wanted to hate Sawyer, and probably even did hate him, Jack cared about human life more - and couldn't let go. And that was a time when he SHOULDN'T let go. Sawyer was the one who wanted to let go too soon... he hates himself that much.
And he was taunting Jack in an attempt to make Jack so angry, that he WOULD stop caring and would let go... letting Sawyer die.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 21 @ 06:46 PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 In an attempt to catch up, I finished reading Part 5 today. What great work you were doing with the maps of Australia, nanotech and timelines!I noticed, however, that no one has answered the extra hard questions Ada left us on Pilot.I think we should do something about that.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 21 @ 09:01 PMby: hervieu (276 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 08, 2005 Hey Cac? Sayid. Pilot epi. Says he served in something.
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 04:10 AMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
George, do you have something tasty for us?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 07:44 AMby: turminus (21 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 20, 2005 A then B then C (and somtimes G for George)I might start a thread on "sequence research", that clue has gone around the boards alot and im not sure how much headway we've made.Theres a sequence to the inhabitants of the island:SlaversMinersAdam & EveNigeriansOthersRousseauLostawaysTheres a sequence to the hatch:Imperical - build a science machine to smash it openFaith - Follow a dream to recieve an answerThe Light: amibiguous indication of success/failure?Brute Force - DynamiteTheres a sequence to the security system:Tree shakerStomper/screecherHorn/Chain ClankerSquawker/FlapperSmokiesEach sequence has its own people:Population: http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=30&threadID=422849&forumStart=0Hatch (Sequence Hint started here!):http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=371044#3812452I know people have worked on the monster sequence, but i cant find a thread off-hand.I like this thread because people work on all aspects, theres literally a seperate thread for each step/grouping in People/Hatch/&Monster.. and finally the mapping thread for "Place"I think the recent Ada clue was right, we've beat the individual pieces to death & now just need to step back and look at it.
Ada... i just want to know if the compass was broken.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 08:24 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
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I noticed, however, that no one has answered the extra hard questions Ada left us on Pilot. I think we should do something about that.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>cac, I didn't know if our answers to those harder questions were for posting for not.... or were for exploring on a more personal level. However, we can certainly post them.
I've read them and have given them a lot of thought, and have answers to them, but I'd have to take some time to articulate and type them out for a post.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 09:21 AMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Hey Cac? Sayid. Pilot epi. Says he served in something.heeeheeeheeePilot:SayidI fought in the Gulf War.HurleyNo way. I have a buddy who fought over there. He was in the 104th Airborne. What were you, Air force, Army?SayidThe Republican Guard.Confidence Man:Sayid... I served 5 years in the Republican Guard.Solitary:SayidThe writing on the back of Nadia's photograph. ... I've been holding on for the past 7 years to just a thought, a blind hope that somewhere she's still alive. ...http://www.lost-tv.com/transcripts/The Gulf War was in 1990. If he served in the Republican Guard for 5 years, leaving 7 years ago, he was in it from 1992-1997. This means he'd have joined them AFTER the Gulf War.Since the Republican Guard is the elite force, perhaps Sayid served in the regular army during the war and just said that to Hurley because it sounded good. I don't think that's it, though.To serve in the Gulf War, Sayid's 5 years would have to fall between 1985-1990 and 1990-1995. Given his age (Naveen was 16 in 1985) and that he probably had to work his way up to the military elite, I'm leaning toward the later years.Maybe Sayid last saw or heard from Nadia 7 years ago (1997), but the escape took place before that (1995?).We've also seen some 4 year discrepancies (Sawyer referred to Walt as a 6 year old) and 4 years earlier would make it 1993, also within the 1985-95 window.
Thanks for the nudge, Herv.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 11:04 AMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 The timeline just doesn't fit. Is Sayid referring to the first war? If so, it took place from August 1990 - March 1991. Assuming Said was in the republican guard at the time, he would have only been 22 in 1990, and he stayed in for five years, he must have left in 1995 or 1996 at the latest. If Nadia escaped and gave Sayid the photo just before he left the guard and he's had it for seven years that only makes the year 2002. He toured the world looking for her for almost a year bringing the year to 2003. Didn't the plane crash in 2004?Either his figures are wrong or he wasn't in the Republican Guard during the conflict but joined it afterwards. Seeing as he was touring around the world for almost a year looking for Nadia? That means that if the plane crashed in 2004 and Sayid has had the photo of Nadia for seven years, she must have given it to him in 1997. Five years off of that means that Sayid began serving in the Republican Guard in 1992. There is no way that he could have seen conflict during the First Gulf War as part of the Republican Guard.The second war began in March 2003. Was Sayid still in the Republican Guard at that time, after joining in 1998. Nadia could have given him the photo but he carried on serving for fear for his family. He could have left not long after the war started in 2003, toured the world for almost a year before ending up in Australia and on flight 815 in September 2004?
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 11:17 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 If Nadia escaped and gave Sayid the photo just before he left the guard and he's had it for seven years that only makes the year 2002. He toured the world looking for her for almost a year bringing the year to 2003. Didn't the plane crash in 2004?Yes, the plane did crash in September.Remember, Sayid only said that he hasn't seen Nadia in seven years... and that's ONLY what he told Danielle, right? Many of us already believe he was lying to her about Nadia being dead, since he didn't know who Danielle was, and didn't want to let on that she might be alive. So, maybe he'd lie about how long it had been since he'd seen Nadia alive.And even if it HAD been 7 years since he'd seen her, as cac said - he might have seen her again after she escaped. The 7 years might have started a year or two after she escaped.
I feel like there's a year in there that we need to add to the 7 to give us 8, don't you think? To keep things all numbers "Lost"?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 12:21 PMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 I feel like there's a year in there that we need to add to the 7 to give us 8, don't you think? To keep things all numbers "Lost"?That would certainly make sense.Ok, help me out here I can't remember. When Nadia escaped, did she give Sayid the photograph then? Or are we just assuming that she did whereas she could have met him later, as you said, and then given it to him.
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Page(s) 14 << [ 1 161718 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 ] >> fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 12:39 PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
She gave him the photo when he helped her escape.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 12:45 PMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
So, unless he is lying, she gave him the photo in 1997.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 12:49 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 So, unless he is lying, she gave him the photo in 1997.Not really - he said he hasn't seen Nadia in 7 years... but he never said she gave him the photo the last time he saw her, did he?
I agree he might be lying about when he saw Nadia last, but not because of the photo.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 01:05 PMby: chelle309 (41 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Hey ME!I feel like there's a year in there that we need to add to the 7 to give us 8, don't you think? To keep things all numbers "Lost"? When I read this it sort of set something off in my head. What if they all have LOST years? That's why they may be coming up with numbers that don't match up. Of course they could be lying, but I was just wondering if all of them have missing spans of time in their lives even before the "crash".All but Kate, because I think she figured it out a long time ago.Anyway, just popping in to say hey!
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 01:10 PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 ME and I have been discussing this and might have a Sayid timeine:1987-1991 - University of Cairo (Naveen would be aged 18-22)1991 - served in the Gulf War in the Republican Guard1991-1996 - Republican Guard1996 - Nadia's escape1996-1997 - still in Iraq, but not in the RG, perhaps dealing with the consequences of Nadia's escape1997 - left Iraq; last contact with Nadia1997-2004 - spent 6 months here, 3 months there, looking for Nadia2004 - London, Australia, Mystery IslandHow does that sound?Message was edited by: cac120
Oops - had to change some dates.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 01:21 PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 She says if you have found Magnetite, run that term with "bacteria" and see what you find. Notice especially where is germinates.
Thanks for the reminder, Troll. I think we got sidetracked before we solved that clue. Hopefully we'll have time to get back to that once we're done with Sayid.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 01:43 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Thanks for the reminder, Troll. I think we got sidetracked before we solved that clue. Hopefully we'll have time to get back to that once we're done with Sayid.Yes, cac... you'll definintely have to read what i found about magnetite, which is pretty much what sTOL found, but more details. I know you haven't had a chance to catch up on Part 6 of this thread, so you're right in that the troll did us all a favor by reposting that WHOLE long post of mine, so you won't have to go digging for it! Lovely!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 01:47 PMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 Sayid: "You'll find me in the next life, if not in this one." The writing on the back of Nadia's photograph. I know what it's like to hold on to someone. I've been holding on for the past seven years to just a thought, a blind hope that somewhere she's still alive. But the more I hold on, the more I pull away from those around me. I got the impression from this that he had had the photo in his posession for seven years but having re-read it, he could have had the photo for longer but been holding onto the hope that Nadia is still alive for seven years.
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by: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>ME and I have been discussing this and might have a Sayid timeine:1987-1991 - University of Cairo (Naveen would be aged 18-22)1991 - served in the Gulf War in the Republican Guard1991-1996 - Republican Guard1996 - Nadia's escape1996-1997 - still in Iraq, but not in the RG, perhaps dealing with the consequences of Nadia's escape1997 - left Iraq; last contact with Nadia1997-2004 - spent 6 months here, 3 months there, looking for Nadia2004 - London, Australia, Mystery IslandHow does that sound?I think it looks great! Looks like just what we discussed and had mapped out.... except he MAY not have spent those 7 years from 1997-2004 looking for Nadia.The CIA agent said to Sayid that there's only two reasons someone would move around that much - because they were running for something, or trying to find something. She assumed he was trying to find Nadia.
But maybe he was running, not searching... avoiding Nadia in order to protect her... trying to avoid being associated with her... or avoiding the RG, making sure he didn't get caught.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 02:05 PMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 1987-1991 - University of Cairo (Naveen would be aged 18-22)1991 - served in the Gulf War in the Republican Guard1991-1996 - Republican Guard1996 - Nadia's escape1996-1997 - still in Iraq, but not in the RG, perhaps dealing with the consequences of Nadia's escape1997 - left Iraq; last contact with Nadia1997-2004 - spent 6 months here, 3 months there, looking for Nadia2004 - London, Australia, Mystery IslandHow does that sound?cac, that works.Does anyone know if you were actually allowed to leave the Republican Guard or would he have had to desert?
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 03:03 PMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 From what I understand - only two ways out of the RG - Dead or deserter....That's what I thought so what ME said:The CIA agent said to Sayid that there's only two reasons someone would move around that much - because they were running for something, or trying to find something. She assumed he was trying to find Nadia. But maybe he was running, not searching... avoiding Nadia in order to protect her... trying to avoid being associated with her... or avoiding the RG, making sure he didn't get caught.
make a lot of sense.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 03:11 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 From what I understand - only two ways out of the RG - Dead or deserter....Well, there you go... if that is true.He was afraid of running, because he'd be considered a deserter, and his family would be killed. I was saying to cac that maybe his family was killed anyway, if he was suspected in killing Omar... and so he fled.
I would think the CIA would have known this though, wouldn't they? And wouldn't they know he was a Republican Guard deserter, if he was one?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 03:29 PMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
Maybe he deserted to the other side but continued to serve in the Republican Guard as a spy. That could explain how he managed to leave the country alive.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 04:03 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 One thing to keep in mind... there's the Republican Guard... and then there's the Special Republican Guard (SPG). The SPG was was desolved in April 2003 when Iraq was defeated in Operation Iraqi Freedom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Special_Republican_GuardSayid said he's from Tikrit, yes?Alongside the RG, the Special Republican Guard (SRG) is regarded as a highly trained and equipped force - and one whose loyalty the Iraqi leader can count on without question. The SRG is overseen by Saddam Hussein's son, Qusay. Its primary mission is to protect the Iraqi leader and secure Baghdad, the Iraqi capital. It has military and intelligence responsibilities. This force is seen as a crucial pillar maintaining Saddam Hussein in power.
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Tikrit connection fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>SRG soldiers tend to be recruited from in and around Saddam Hussein's home town of Tikrit. The clans in these areas have shown great loyalty to Saddam Hussein and his regime. The SRG is the only significant military unit allowed into central Baghdad, apart from the intelligence services' military branches. The SRG was at the centre of disputes between Iraq and the UN weapons inspectors in 1998, when the Iraqi authorities refused access to its facilities where proscribed weapons were believed to have been stored. As troops are waging a ground war as part of the US-led campaign to remove the Iraqi leader, some military analysts believe US and UK soldiers might have to confront the SRG in street by street fighting in Baghdad.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 07:21 PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Yes, ME, Sayid said he's from Tikrit, so the SRG is quite possible.
If he deserted, would he have stayed in Iraq for a year before leaving? Could he have survived there that long?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 08:00 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Yes, ME, Sayid said he's from Tikrit, so the SRG is quite possible.If he deserted, would he have stayed in Iraq for a year before leaving? Could he have survived there that long?What if he never left the SRG, even after he left Iraq?
Maybe this is why he's been moving around 7 mos. here, 3 mos there.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 10:35 PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 What if they all have LOST years? That's why they may be coming up with numbers that don't match up. Of course they could be lying, but I was just wondering if all of them have missing spans of time in their lives even before the "crash".All but Kate, because I think she figured it out a long time ago.chelle, I've wondered if that's what A meant when she said something about Sawyer's slip about Walt's age being important. He called him a 6 year old, as though the last 4 years hadn't happened.Speaking of Walt, how are they going to explain how he's aging a year every 40 days?
And let's not forget that Danielle was studying time.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 22 @ 10:44 PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 What if he never left the SRG, even after he left Iraq?Maybe this is why he's been moving around 7 mos. here, 3 mos there.Kate, Sawyer, Sayid ...Maybe they're all spies. It's really hard to say whether or not Sayid got away with helping Nadia escape. If he was caught, why wasn't he executed? He shot himself, so running would have been difficult. How long does it take to recover from such an injury? Would that account for the missing year?If he wasn't caught, he left Iraq shortly after anyway. Discharge is difficult, so maybe he is/was still working for them and the CIA didn't know. It seemed to be the first time he'd been approached by the CIA, didn't it? Although they did know a lot about him.
Okay, I'm starting to babble. Time for bed.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 23 @ 08:24 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Kate, Sawyer, Sayid ...Maybe they're all spies. It's really hard to say whether or not Sayid got away with helping Nadia escape. If he was caught, why wasn't he executed? He shot himself, so running would have been difficult. How long does it take to recover from such an injury? Would that account for the missing year?If he wasn't caught, he left Iraq shortly after anyway. Discharge is difficult, so maybe he is/was still working for them and the CIA didn't know. It seemed to be the first time he'd been approached by the CIA, didn't it? Although they did know a lot about him.I wish I could find definitive info that says whether discharge from the RG or SRG is possible, or if you're in it for life. I'd THINK the latter, but that is just an assumption based on the impression I get from what I hear in the media.It may very well have taken a year to recover from that gunshot wound - depending on what it severed, etc... or even if it took less than a year, during that time, while he was healing, they could have decided to use that "down time" to groom him for work outside of Iraq... undercover work... spy work. Oh, I'd hate to think this about Sayid, so maybe he was running from the RG... but it just seems odd that the CIA wouldn't have caught wind that Sayid was wanted in Iraq for desertion. They knew all this stuff about Nadia, and knew that Sayid was connected to her (personally), but didn't know Sayid deserted?
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They had to have known he was in the RG, or SRG, and they knew he left Iraq, and the CIA would know if a person can be discharged from the RG or SRG without incident - but they didn't mention him being a deserter. fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>The CIA agent actually said that anyone who moved around that much is either running from something, or looking for sometrhing - and her assumption was looking for something... NOT running from something - which is what they would have assumed if a person was unable to be discharged from the RG/SRG.So, I'm not sure what to think. There are a number of possibilities. One is that he spent a year healing after Nadia escaped in 1996... then he left Iraq in 1997.
The other is that he spent that year healing, and preparing to go undercover and be a spy for the SRG... and then left Iraq to start his new "job" for the SRG.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 23 @ 08:49 AMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
Or he was in the RG or SRG but working for the US or Britain as a spy. That would explain how he managed to leave the country alive. They could have even faked his death to spare the lives of his family. But, if that's the case how come the CIA didn't mention it? Although if he were spying for MI5 in Britain, I don't think the CIA would be aware of it. And he was picked up in London.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 23 @ 09:23 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Or he was in the RG or SRG but working for the US or Britain as a spy. That would explain how he managed to leave the country alive. They could have even faked his death to spare the lives of his family. But, if that's the case how come the CIA didn't mention it? Although if he were spying for MI5 in Britain, I don't think the CIA would be aware of it. And he was picked up in London.Those are definitely some good thoughts...
but if they faked his death, then how would the CIA be able to find him so easily, and still using the same name as he had since childhood?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 23 @ 09:42 AMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 but if they faked his death, then how would the CIA be able to find him so easily, and still using the same name as he had since childhood?
Good point, I didn't think of that.... damn!
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 23 @ 09:07 PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 How many Iraqis speak perfectly fluent English?
Has he picked it up in the seven years he's been traveling? Did he use it when he was a communications officer? Did he learn it at University? Was he educated abroad before that?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 23 @ 09:25 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 How many Iraqis speak perfectly fluent English?Has he picked it up in the seven years he's been traveling? Did he use it when he was a communications officer? Did he learn it at University? Was he educated abroad before that?
I'll bet more do than you'd think. It didn't surprise me at all that he'd be able to speak fluent English, being a communications officers. He even mentioned that he and Essam were at the beach the day of the English exams. I imgagine they probably learned English even before then.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 23 @ 09:57 PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 I've had the misfortune of being landlocked for several years. The last beach I was at was Sharm-el Sheikh with you Essam - remember, before our English exams?Thanks ME, I'd forgotten about the Engish exam. (I know, it was just yesterday that we were talking about it.) I guess I didn't think of it that way, since to me, English is Literature, not a foreign language. In Egypt, however, it would be a language class.
When I heard the news of the bombing this morning, my first reaction was, "Hey, that's the beach Sayid was at." Then I heard how bad it was and wished it were fictional.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 24 @ 08:01 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I've had the misfortune of being landlocked for several years. The last beach I was at was Sharm-el Sheikh with you Essam - remember, before our English exams?cac, reading your post, something just occurred to me. Sayid went to school in Egypt.... which is NE Africa.The Beechcraft had two maps in it - one of Nigera, and one of the Sahara... but the part of the Sahara where Algeria, Libya and N i g e r intersect... which is directly of Nigeria. Egypt neighbors Libya directly to the east.So we have these connections, or route, through the Sahara and North Africa, from west to east (or east to west, depending which way you're flying!).... Nigeria, N i g e r, Libya, Egypt.
Not sure if it means anything or not, but the fact that Egypt is in north Africa too has to mean something.
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fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 24 @ 01:11 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Interesting info about Sharm el-Sheikh - I've put in bold what I think what mgiht be especially relevant:Sharm el-Sheikh (also transliterated as Sharm ash Shaykh), often known simply as "Sharm," is a city situated on the southern tip of the Sinai Peninsula, in Janub Sina', Egypt, on the coastal strip between the Red Sea and Mount Sinai. It is an approximately four hour drive to Isma?lia and a three hour drive to Taba.Sharm el-Sheikh is situated in a highly strategic position on a promontory overlooking the Strait of Tiran, at the mouth of the Gulf of Aqaba. Formerly a fishing village, it became a major port and naval base for the Egyptian Navy.The city has played host to a number of important Middle Eastern peace conferences, including the 4 September 1999 agreement to restore Palestinian self-rule over the Gaza Strip. A second summit was held at Sharm on 17 October 2000 following the outbreak of the second Palestinian intifada, but it failed to end the violence.The city has twice suffered major disasters. On January 3, 2004, Flash Airlines Flight 604 crashed into the Red Sea shortly after leaving Sharm el-Sheikh's airport. On July 23, 2005, the city was subjected to a series of bombings which killed scores of people. [i'm shocked at how fast they updated this - those bombings just happened yesterday!]Sharm el-Sheikh's major industry is foreign and domestic tourism, owing to its dramatic landscape, year-round dry and temperate climate and long stretches of natural beaches. Its waters are clear and calm for most of the year and have become popular for various watersports, particularly recreational scuba diving and snorkeling (which many consider to be among the best in the world).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharm_el-Sheikh
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 24 @ 01:38 PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004
I just thought I'd say goodbye before I leave for Spain. I'm not sure how much, if any, computer access I'll have. I might be able to get on once in a while to check email and come for a vist. Keep working, everyone and I can't wait to see how much you learn in the next two weeks.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 24 @ 01:46 PMby: ELMIRAGE (202 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 08, 2004 hey cac , have a good trip and the best of times.EL
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 25 @ 11:24 AMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 I thought I'd have missed at least some discussion by now.
Thanks for the bon voyage wishes. I've only made it as far as Toronto, but it's on to London overnight - expecting high security there - and then Spain in the morning. I'll try to find an internet cafe and come say 'hi' in a few days.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 25 @ 01:19 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Just as an aside, the actor playing walt is already 13 going on 14.....not to be crass but he could be gary coleman 'ish in that he pulls off being 10 as a 13 year old so....I see what you mean, Dad... though my guess is he just hasn't gone through a major growth spurt in a while... might just be a late bloomer. At his age, he could suddenly shoot up a foot over a summer. That's would be where things get tricky to explain.
I hope they have something figured out though, because I like Walt and would hate to see that character written out of the show just because of that.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 25 @ 01:20 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Cac, I'll try to get something else up new for you to read. Did you read what I posted above about Sharm el-Sheikh? I think I just posted that yesterday - it was before you left, but not sure if you read it.
Anyway else, please join in!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 25 @ 02:20 PMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 cac, I am so jealous, Spain is one of my favorite countries. "?Habla usted Espa?ol?" Which part of Spain are you visiting?
Take a look at the safety instruction leaflet on the flight over the Atlantic and see if the picture of the life jacket compares to the one that Walt is wearing on the raft. I could never see any clues on it.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 25 @ 08:19 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Take a look at the safety instruction leaflet on the flight over the Atlantic and see if the picture of the life jacket compares to the one that Walt is wearing on the raft. I could never see any clues on it.That's a good idea, davis! I hope she does. Though, gosh darn it, I know there are clues in them thar introduction images on that life vest!
Or SOMETHING is a clue on that vest.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 25 @ 08:21 PMby: lostandconfussed (1914 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 14, 2005 Cac, I'll try to get something else up new for you to read. Did you read what I posted above about Sharm el-Sheikh? I think I just posted that yesterday - it was before you left, but not sure if you read it. Anyway else, please join in!
just a quick hi me before i got o bed .
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 25 @ 08:53 PMby: pau_hana (61 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 Hi people!!!I lurk more that I post. Just doin' a drive by, gotta couple of pages to catch up on. Sharim-al-sharik?? Where'd that come from?? O.K. I'll read back. Funny story, as long as we're talking lost. When the Oceanic site came on line, there was this guy who wanted to know how to read Sayid's passport. He asked for people who knew Iranian. Being married to one, I was insensed, and quickley went about telling him the differences between Arabs and Persians. My husband got home and I showed him the passport. Low and behold, if the script wasn't Persian. Eat my words! I mean, I'm still right, but the people at ABC must of needed a prop for the web site and Persians are lurking everywhere! Any-hoo-doo, he translated it. The only LOST thing he's done. Don't tell him! I don't care though, 'cause it's not relevent to the show. Just thought I'd share. Now go back to your incredible theorising!!!P.S. Cac, have a good time on the Iberian penninsula!
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Posted: Jul 25 @ 08:58 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 just a quick hi me before i got o bed .
hi, lostandconfussed! so nice to see you! glad you stopped in! I'm off to bed too.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 25 @ 09:05 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I lurk more that I post. Just doin' a drive by, gotta couple of pages to catch up on. Sharim-al-sharik?? Where'd that come from?? O.K. I'll read back. Hi Pau! About Sharim-al-sharik....We were discussing Sayid's timeline here, and cac was wondering when he would have had time to learn English so fluently. I mentioned that when he was talking to Essam, he said that he had been landlocked for several years - hadn't been to a beach (or the ocean, he might have said) since he and Essam had been to the beach at Sharim-al-sharik. After I brought this up, it occurred to me that we never looked into Sharim-al-sharik... never researched it.Actually, as cac said, he was lying about being landlocked all that time, since the CIA found him in London.... but the real irony about that statement is that he certainly isn't landlocked now - now he's waterlocked! LOL!That's interesting about the passport, and Persian script! So, what was written on his passport had no relevance? Oh well! At least we know.
Please do read the past few pages - that will help fill you in on what we've been discussing. You'll probably be able to contribute quite a bit to what we've been talking about!
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Thanx ME, will do! I'm off wed. and thu. I'll do my reading then.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 06:31 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Thanx ME, will do! I'm off wed. and thu. I'll do my reading then.no problem, pau!bumping up from page 3!again....
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 07:50 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Hi Guys,I see you've been working on Sayid's timeline. ME have you read the Change to Seating Charts thread? It started out with them just trying to find the clues on the Oceanic website, but around page 11 they started finding a discrepency in Michaels sketches & letters to Walt. Someone searched for the stamp that was on the postcards and it was issued in 1967. The thread has kind of died, but it might make an interesting read, and give you some things to research. I think Em put up some screen caps of the clues too. Here is a link to page 11 of that thead
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 07:54 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Hi Guys,I see you've been working on Sayid's timeline. ME have you read the Change to Seating Charts thread? It started out with them just trying to find the clues on the Oceanic website, but around page 11 they started finding a discrepency in Michaels sketches & letters to Walt. Someone searched for the stamp that was on the postcards and it was issued in 1967. The thread has kind of died, but it might make an interesting read, and give you some things to research. I think Em put up some screen caps of the clues too. Here is a link to page 11 of that theadhttp://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=300&threadID=482234&forumStart=60Hi bliss! Thanks so much!I did read some of that yesterday... and when it started. It was mostly about where the clues are, and I did find some... but then kind of lulled. I went last night and saw some trying to figure out a drawing of Michael's - I suggested that it's a car wheel assembly.
I hadn't noticed the date descrepencies, and those other things discussed. Weird! I'll definitely check it out!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 08:04 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 I suggested that it's a car wheel assembly.
COOL! Kind of goes back to Mr. PalkWasn't there a clue a while back about all the car accidents that we've been shown, and A said something about "That's a lot of tires falling off" or something like that?? Also in an episode just shown, didn't someone say they had worked at a car dealership a while ago?
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Posted: Jul 26 @ 08:08 AMfficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>by: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 COOL! Kind of goes back to Mr. PalkWasn't there a clue a while back about all the car accidents that we've been shown, and A said something about "That's a lot of tires falling off" or something like that?? Also in an episode just shown, didn't someone say they had worked at a car dealership a while ago?Yes! She did say that about tires fallling off!Sawyer worked at a car dealership in Louisiana.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 08:25 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Yes! She did say that about tires fallling off!Make you go...hmmmmmm!
We haven't been shown hardly any of Michael's history maybe he is the one who designed the tire wheel that caused all the accidents?! A lot of things sure point back to Mr. Palk?! Well, for that matter Mr Cooper too!....LOL
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 08:38 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Well, this is interesting! There is also a H14 on the sketch of that "wheel design", I just googled H14 wheel design and got a link for a MITO- RHINO HRV Series VEHICLE IMMOBILIZERhttp://www.mitico.com/rhino/hrv_series_instructions.htm2. Be sure you use the proper Immobilizer for the application, HIO/H12/H14 fits Sub Compact, Compact, Standard, size Vehicles and Light Trucks. HRV12/HRV14 Fit RVs, and other vehicles with extra wide tires. Semi-Tractor & Large Truck models are also available. Refer to brochureor price list for wheel size and immobilizer model specifications. Feel free to call the factory or your nearest distributor if assistance is required.
Haven't a clue what a vehicle immobilizer would have to do with Lost or the car wrecks, but thought it was interesting enough to post.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 08:50 AMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 So confidence man fb's were in Louisiana? Sorry, I'm rather slow these days. The diary writer is from Louisiana.
sorry, just grasping at any new straws here.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 08:57 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 So confidence man fb's were in Louisiana? Sorry, I'm rather slow these days. The diary writer is from Louisiana.sorry, just grasping at any new straws here.042... yes, confidence man FBs were in Louisiana... there were several references to it in the epi. And the parallel between the diary writer being from Louisian and Sawyer being in Louisiana has been brought up on the board, and in this thread, before... so you're not alone!Bliss, I went to the seating chart thread a bit ago and saw the images, and spotted the H14 too! I was going to Google it as well, but hadn't gotten around to it. I'm so glad you did! That's awesome!I wondered if Michael maybe designed cars for Mr. Paik too... after speculating that maybe the sketch is of a wheel assembly.OR, maybe he does assembly sketches for assembly instructional manuals? Wow - wouldn't that be a kick in the pants if someone goofed on a sketch? Though, all that stuff is so computerized now - I don't think anyone actually "sketches" them. However, he might very well have been designing them...
But he sent these sketches to Walt? It's odd that he'd send sketches of a car wheel assembly, or anything like that.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 09:16 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 But he sent these sketches to Walt? It's odd that he'd send sketches of a car wheel assembly, or anything like that.Yeah, I'm not sure if he sent that sketch to Walt or not? Maybe they are just showing some of Michaels sketches?? I think we have been shown the other two sketches in episodes, but we haven't seen this one before that I know off?I was thinking what would a vehicle immobilizer have to do with Lost? This ran through my mind, maybe if someone was wanting someone to be in a car wreck they would assembly it on to the wheel, and stop the vehicle in front of another vehicle at the right moment? I think this is classified as mumbling
O4, There is probably a connection between the diary writer & Sawyer both being from Lousiana?? But she has met Sawyer, he stopped giving her cigs, and it upset her, so I think she would recognize him if he was personally involved in her "accident"?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 09:31 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Here is a link to the sketch we are discussing, in case anyone else wants to add anything.
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O4, There is probably a connection between the diary writer & Sawyer both being from Lousiana?? But she has met Sawyer, he stopped giving her cigs, and it upset her, so I think she would recognize him if he was personally involved in her "accident"?fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>But it could be an indirect connection... like she was in an car accident driving a car that was bought at the car dealership where Sawyer worked. She made it sound like she was assulted though - wanting to be sure to carry a weapon, etc... so I don't get the impression it was a car accident. I don't think Sawyer was directly involved though - but perhaps indirectly.I also picked up this time that the husband owns a lumberyard... not sure if that's something else to explore off on another tangetnt or not....Bliss, I posted this over on the seating chart thread:Another inconsistency in dates for the sketches: The stamp on the letter from Michael to Walt was issued in 1967. It could have been part of a stamp collection but it predates the letter by 36 years.Ok, a few thoughts about this... Clearly the letter has to be from Michael to Walt, because of the address (when I first heard about the date descrepency, I remembered that Michael's father's name was Walt, but it couldn't be to THAT Walt from HIS father - isn't old enough).In some of the sketches, you can see the twin towers of the World Trade Center (in one sketch you can see them more prominently than others), so that would indicate that those sketches were created before 2001, though he could have been sketching from memory, or photos. Also, we don't know that the sketches were in the envelope - but might have been with the stack of letters. If those sketches WERE in that envlope, than it would indicate that Walt was living there in Sydney for three years, from at least 2001 until 2004.The stamp issued in 1967 - 36/36 years old... makes me think it's the year Michael was born. Not sure why he'd use it now - unless it was part of a collection, or a keepsake/babyalbum of his, and he needed additional postage, and simply used it (indicating that communicating with Walt was more important than a stamp collection or old keepsake).
Btw, The World Trade Center was built from 1966-1977.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 09:39 AMby: captainaeon (1300 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004 Here is a link to the sketch we are discussing, in case anyone else wants to add anything.http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lostpic13jj.pngSorry if this has been written--Michael's card says he is working on his recovery. (From the accident? That was when Walt was 2)
But the card is addressed to Walt in Australia. (He was still in Amsterdam when he was 2)
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 09:44 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Sorry if this has been written--Michael's card says he is working on his recovery. (From the accident? That was when Walt was 2) But the card is addressed to Walt in Australia. (He was still in Amsterdam when he was 2)Oh, right right right... I knew something didn't add up there!So, he must not have been referring to recovering from his car accident, but he was recovering from something else? Another accident/injury? I wouldn't think you'd be writing to a little kid about "recovering" if you were recovering from a mental breakdown or addiction. I still think the fact that the sketches include the Twin Towers is indicative that it was sent prior to 9/11/2001... or at least sketched before then.
Oh, could he have been referring to recovering from the 9/11 attacks???!!!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 09:49 AMby: captainaeon (1300 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004 Oh, could he have been referring to recovering from the 9/11 attacks???!!!
Interesting idea. But he said "working on my recovery". Sounds very personal to me.
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Posted: Jul 26 @ 09:59 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Michael's card says he is working on his recovery. (From the accident? That was when Walt was 2) But the card is addressed to Walt in Australia. (He was still in Amsterdam when he was 2
Cap, I noticed that too! I don't know what to think about that? ME, is one of the clues on Oceanic website a sketch of Micheal in a wheelchair? Em didn't have a screen cap of that one, but I thought I saw it being discussed over there? Something about the cake had 7 candles on it, but I remember Michael sketching that pic while he was in the hosp?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 10:11 AMby: captainaeon (1300 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004 Something about the cake had 7 candles on it, but I remember Michael sketching that pic while he was in the hosp?
bliss--that pic has bothered me since the first showing of "Special". The cake with 7 candles drawn for a boy who was only 2. I still don't know what to make of it.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 10:19 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 bliss--that pic has bothered me since the first showing of "Special". The cake with 7 candles drawn for a boy who was only 2. I still don't know what to make of it.I just found that image... it's the one I was talking about that has both a sketch that shows the Twin Towers, along with the Statue of Liberty and the Empire State building. The other sketch, as you mentioned, is of someone in a hospital bed, wrapped head to toe, with a birthday cake with 7 candles.The two sketchs appear on what looks like some sort of steel strip with holes in it - industrial... like something you'd use in building construction. The strip looks like it's between two concrete pieces on the bottom, and jotted on one piece of concrete is a word, and then 2003.
I can e-mial the image to your go.com accounts if you want. If you can get it to someone who can post it online, that would be great.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 10:41 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 I haven't seen that one yet ME, I would love for you to send it to my go.com acct!I wonder if Sparkling Emerald would host it with the other screencaps of the Oceanic website clues?
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Page(s) 14 << [ 1 181920 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 ] >> fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 10:57 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I haven't seen that one yet ME, I would love for you to send it to my go.com acct!I wonder if Sparkling Emerald would host it with the other screencaps of the Oceanic website clues?bliss... just sent it to your go.com address, though it might take a while to get there. Seems like go.com mail is often slow.
feel free to pass it along to EM or whoever might host it.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 11:45 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Thanks ME, I got it just fine!I went and played with it a little bit, zoomed in on it.That is definitely NOT Michael in the sketch, it is a white man. So, maybe he was just drawing a pic, and the candles don't have any significance? Was this the front of the card, and the inside have the penguin, or were they totally different things?I also looked closely to what was right above the 2003. It was very blurry, but it looked like an L, and then a fast wrote r, then it almost looked like it says 15? than it ends with a M wrote tilted to the other letters? It could say Micheal backwards? The L and r almost reminded me of the "Le Mer, not the song" thread? Like maybe instead of words, it's a math problem???
Did you look at that too?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 11:57 AMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 can I get the picture at my go addy? please? Thanks for not "duh!'ing" me about the LA connection, my brain can only hold so much...
I don't think Sawyer had anything directly to do with her, but maybe that x-files guy that sent him to kill shrimpy? Or Kilo (the loan shark)? He seems to hang out with enough assault type people that it wouldn't be that large of a stretch.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 12:07 PMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 I googled H14 all by it's self, and got a bunch a "stuff"!Nothing really pertaining to the sketch. The first link that came up said "H14 Hamburg" but it was a German website, couldn't read what it was about, but the front page had a bunch of transportation pics on it, like a truck, plane, train, etc....Anybody read German I got this link too, that takes you to the Lunar and Planetary Institute! It's actually a section of the moon I would assume?
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/cla/info/h14/
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 12:09 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 bliss, I agree that what is above 2003 looks like it starts with an L, but then maybe an "r"... and it almost looks like a cursive "z" at the end.. . 042, i'll send it to youbump
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 01:55 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
george, let go!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 02:12 PMby: captainaeon (1300 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004 Another thought on "Bandage Guy"--I see now that this is not Michael. It is Michael's hospital roommate 'celebrating' his 7th week in hospital (probably).So we have a man whose face Michael probably never saw, sharing a room with Michael for an extended period of time. What did they talk about?
I will keep this in mind as I watch the show next season.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 04:21 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Another thought on "Bandage Guy"--I see now that this is not Michael. It is Michael's hospital roommate 'celebrating' his 7th week in hospital (probably).So we have a man whose face Michael probably never saw, sharing a room with Michael for an extended period of time.
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What did they talk about? fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>I will keep this in mind as I watch the show next season.
Not only what did they talk about, but what did he look like afterwards. And what was the accident he was in? Was he badly burned, I would think - considering all the bandages?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 04:24 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 interesting thoughts...hmm...
Thanks for the pic Me!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 26 @ 05:07 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 interesting thoughts...hmm...Thanks for the pic Me!
no problem! Glad you got it ok.
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 01:17 AMby: sdogTSOL (697 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 09, 2005 This one's for you Princess:Questions for Solitary1. What does Sawyer say Jack is doing to try and buy a ticket into heaven?2. How long does Kate say that Sayid has been gone?3. During the torture scene, Danielle says to Sayid "You just happened to hear my distress call? I know ---" What? Listen to the sentence carefully.4. What else is on the jacket besides the name Rousseau?5. When Rousseau searches Sayid's backpack, what's in there?6. Rousseau: I broadcast from somewhere else, but They control it now. Sayid: They? Rousseau: (Listen to her answer carefully)7. When is the best time to hunt?8. How does Hurley use the red Hawaiian shirt from the suitcase?9. Why does Rousseau say Sayid came looking for her?10. What is the figure on the music box?11. Who gave Danielle the music box and why?12. When did it break?13. How long did her team survive on the island?14. Where is Danielle living? Don't rush over this one, it's significant. Why not a nice little beach condo? What, exactly, is Danielle living in and why?15. What does Danielle do to the needle before injecting Sayid?16. Who were the carriers?17. List three reasons that Rousseau gives for why Sayid can't leave.18. Why won?t Sayid run with Nadia after shooting Omar?19. What does Danielle say her team already was when they became sick and she had no choice?
20. What does Danielle say she couldn't let happen........won't let happen?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 07:31 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Thanks so much, sdog! I saw the questions on page 1 this morning and was just about to post them here too, but very happy to see you beat me to it! Very thoughtful of you!
Btw, who is Princess?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 08:06 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Cap, that is a great theory on the "bandage guy!" I wonder who it might turn out to be? He has his leg and arm in a sling too. Have we been pointed to anyone else in the NY area?wondered if Michael maybe designed cars for Mr. Paik too... after speculating that maybe the sketch is of a wheel assembly.
ME, I'm back to liking this idea, a lot! I haven't read very much this morning to see if there have been anymore guesses on what else it could be?
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Posted: Jul 27 @ 08:31 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
george, are you trying to eat two posts at the same time now? oh no you don't!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 08:39 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 I was just reading The mining thread, and lady mentioned that people have come up with a bunch of things when searching on H14. One of the things was a wheelchair? That might be a good guess too? As he was in the hosp. and did draw a pic of bandage guy? This all makes me think of Locke
PS I can't wait to watch Solitary! Those are great questions to think about.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 09:32 AMby: LostOtter (191 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
Regarding the "working on my recovery" statement....I am a substance abuse counselor and that phrase is consistent with how an addict/abuser describes their not using drugs anymore. It means being clean/sober and working all the related issues, spiritually, physically and emotionally. Has there been any clues that Michael had a drug problem? If he was on prescribed medication, painkillers, after his accident, he may well have gotten addicted and we could see this in a season two flashback. It might also explain the call he made to his mom and the long absence in seeing or writing to Walt. Just my opinion.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 09:36 AMby: captainaeon (1300 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004 Regarding the "working on my recovery" statement....I am a substance abuse counselor and that phrase is consistent with how an addict/abuser describes their not using drugs anymore. It means being clean/sober and working all the related issues, spiritually, physically and emotionally. Has there been any clues that Michael had a drug problem? If he was on prescribed medication, painkillers, after his accident, he may well have gotten addicted and we could see this in a season two flashback. It might also explain the call he made to his mom and the long absence in seeing or writing to Walt. Just my opinion.Good thoughts about Michael.
I really hope to see more fbs concerning him. Especially his childhood. I think he is going to turn out to be very much like his son in the "special" department.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 10:07 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Regarding the "working on my recovery" statement....I am a substance abuse counselor and that phrase is consistent with how an addict/abuser describes their not using drugs anymore.This is exactly what came to my mind at first too, but it just seemed a strange thing to be writing to a 10 year old kid about... but maybe that's one reason Susan never gave Walt his letters... so that Walt wouldn't know the truth about his dad's addiction.Interesting that when Sun tried to poison Jin, Micheal ingested the drugs instead.It seems that particular letter might have been written between 2001 and 2003... definitely after Walt was in Australia. When he was in the hospital after the car accident, could he have gotten hooked on pain killers, especially since that's when Susan told him she wanted him to let Bryan adopt Walt?
Also, that's a good point about when Michael was talking to his mom in the airport. When he said to her that this wasn't part of "the plan", maybe he meant his recovery plan?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 10:22 AMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 The only problem with that is taht would mean he was in the hospital for around 5 years. She said something like "he is only ____ months old" when Michael wanted to talk to him on the phone.If he wrote the letter in 2003-then Walt would be 8 and perfectly capable of talking on the phone.
This is of course assuming that time is linear.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 10:25 AMby: itscomedowntothis (35 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 25, 2005 Well, this is interesting! There is also a H14 on the sketch of that "wheel design"... I posted this at the seating chart thread but it may be relevant to your message as well.Re H14:It has bugged me from the start that on the drug plane there was a box marked Hilton Tool & Machine Co. , Bronx 60, NY. (from Mining thread)
Could Michael have worked for HT&M and his drawing is an illustration of a part they manufacture?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 12:35 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 The only problem with that is taht would mean he was in the hospital for around 5 years. She said something like "he is only ____ months old" when Michael wanted to talk to him on the phone.If he wrote the letter in 2003-then Walt would be 8 and perfectly capable of talking on the phone.This is of course assuming that time is linear.Why do you say that my idea would mean he was in the hospital for 5 years???I agree that Walt was a baby when he was hit by a car. Though he was two when he was in the hospital and was making the birthday cards for him.
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fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Maybe I wasn't clear in stating my idea. Michael is in the hospital from a car accident when Walt was two. Susan comes and tells Michael she's paying for all his bills, but wants Bryan to adopt Walt.Michael is released from the hospital, but is still on pain meds. Gets hooked... Years later, goes into rehab.How does that put him in a hospital for 5 years?And I don't think he wrote the letter in 2003... actually, I think he wrote it in 2001, or before 2001.
But I'm not sure what Walt being old enough to talk on the phone has anything to do with what I said. If Susan doesn't tell Walt that his father is calling, or let him have the phone, then it doesn't matter how old Walt is.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 12:43 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Have we been pointed to anyone else in the NY area?bliss, i meant to respond to this earlier, but got distracted.Rose is from the Bronx, remember?And then the toolbox from the Beechcraft had a NY address on it too - also the Bronx. downtothis, good thoughts on that, by the way! Would be interesting if Michael worked for that company. We know he said he worked construction for eight years... Something interesting that I thought of, in regard to the Statue of Liberty, Empire State Building, and WTC drawing...
The perspective it was drawn from was from the water - weather from a helicopter (since it's about shoulder level to the statue), or not... the statue is out on an island in the ocean... so we're looking at a drawing of Manhattan, an ISLAND, from the vantage point of the water...
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 01:21 PMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 I just went and read the transcript for Special and a few things popped out to me. Nothing earth shattering, just stuff we've been talking about.[Shot of Michael drawing a guy in a hospital in traction with a birthday cake on his lap.]Nurse [looking at the drawing]Hm, that's really wonderful. MichaelOh, thanks. It's for my son. He'll be 2 next week.NurseAnd this....SusanI came to see you. [Scene switches to Susan pushing Michael in the wheelchair down a hospital corridor.]MichaelSo I look pretty good, huh?SusanNot that bad. Nurses say you'll make a full recovery.MichaelYeah, after a year of physical therapy. A year!and this....SusanI still love you. You know I do, but, Michael, we've been through so much in such a short time. Things. . .MichaelBabe, we've got problems, that's what people have. You want to go to counseling? I'm down with that, let's go, alright? [Susan looks down and sort of shakes her head.] Oh, man, you already took it, didn't you? The job?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 01:29 PMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 This kind of stood out to me too...MichaelI haven't been his father in 9 years.MichaelGo ahead. [Walt opens it.] Every card, every letter I sent you over the last 8 years.
Does Michael having a missing year?
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by: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Rose is from the Bronx, remember?And then the toolbox from the Beechcraft had a NY address on it too - also the Bronx. Duh, how could I forget Rose? But that isn't a picture of Rose in tractionMichael did say he worked construction, with a guy named Andy.
That's pretty interesting ME about sketches being drawn from the perspective of the water!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 01:51 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 well, he wouldn't have sent him cards for his first year of life, cause they lived together. Good catch, though!
Anyone have any thoughts about the new Nigerian character? (Check out the thread about OZ and Lost)
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 03:10 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Anyone have any thoughts about the new Nigerian character? (Check out the thread about OZ and Lost)Well, off the top of my head - I'd say he could very well be one of the passengers from the Beechcraft.Bliss, interesting to see the dialogue again. That's so weird about the discrepency in years. However, I think I have the answer. Susan moved to Amsterdam when Walt was only about one year old - which would be 9 years ago. Bryan adopted Walt when he was 2... 8 years ago, which is probably when Michael started writing to him.
So, Michael hasn't been Walt's father in 9 years, and wrote to him for 8 years.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 03:13 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Don't forget also that when his mom died, Walt had just had a birthday. It could very easily be that he forgot Walt was 10.And even though he was his "dad" for a year, it is not odd for men to say they have never been a father to a child that they stopped caring for at a very young age.Message was edited by: 042078
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Page(s) 14 << [ 1 192021 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 ] >> fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 03:52 PMby: itscomedowntothis (35 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 25, 2005 Would be interesting if Michael worked for that company.Not at the time of the shipment anyway -Another poster noted in an earlier thread that Zip codes replaced postal zones on July 1, 1963. The existence of postal zones in the larger cities was set in motion in May 1, 1943 so it's safe to say that the Hilton Tool and Machine crate on the Beechcraft labeled Bronx, 60, New York, was shipped sometime after 1943 and before 1963. The box of tools may predate the plane.
Drugs aside, could the wreckage of the plane have simply been used for storage by the "islanders" - like the Black Rock? Old tools, old explosives, even the hatch...nothing too hi-tech...yet.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 04:11 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Drugs aside, could the wreckage of the plane have simply been used for storage by the "islanders" - like the Black Rock? Old tools, old explosives, even the hatch...nothing too hi-tech...yet.
Hmmmm.... I see your line of thinking, but the Beechcraft was awfully unstable up there. I can't imagine it being used for storge. Didn't look like the best place for thigns to me. But, who knows?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 04:40 PMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 so it's safe to say that the Hilton Tool and Machine crate on the Beechcraft labeled Bronx, 60, New York, was shipped sometime after 1943 and before 1963.
Remind me again, when was the stamp issued that Michael put on the envelope to Walt?
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 06:01 PMby: itscomedowntothis (35 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 25, 2005 Remind me again, when was the stamp issued that Michael put on the envelope to Walt?
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fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 27 @ 08:18 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I watched Solitary again tonight - the way she talks to Sayid about "you. and others like you"... do you think she might have been referring to Sayid's nationality? I've actually had this in mind for a while, but watching again tonight, I felt even more that this might be what she was getting at. Could there have been some survivors on the Beechcraft who looked a similar nationality as Sayid, at least at first glance? And the way she said, "You just happened to hear my distress call? I know what you are."
I know what you are? Hmmmmm....
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Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 08:26 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
I didn't see any lava or "metorite" golf balls? I didn't notice it the first time around, so tried to watch carefully, all I saw was regular golf balls? I could have been distracted though when they showed it?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 08:59 AMby: ELMIRAGE (202 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 08, 2004 I didn't see any lava or "metorite" golf balls? I didn't notice it the first time around, so tried to watch carefully, all I saw was regular golf balls? I could have been distracted though when they showed it?
hey bliss, I puposely looked at the golf balls also. I saw nothing but regular balls being used. EL
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 08:59 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I didn't see any lava or "metorite" golf balls? I didn't notice it the first time around, so tried to watch carefully, all I saw was regular golf balls? I could have been distracted though when they showed it?Ah, well... you see them really well in ".. In Translation"... when Jin is playing golf. It seems to me they almost make a point of making sure we see them.I think I just them assumed that's what they used for golf in Solitary.Just saw your post, EL. I guess it must have just been Jin who used the lava golf balls in "... In Translation".
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 09:15 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Ah, well... you see them really well in ".. In Translation"... when Jin is playing golf. It seems to me they almost make a point of making sure we see them.
Aw, OK! I didn't realize there were any more golfing scenes shown other than in Solitary! I will be watching then for In Translation. I hope they show it, they are already skipping episodes, next week they are showing ATBCHDI, instead of Raised by Another, and I really wanted to see that one
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 09:22 AMby: captainaeon (1300 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004 Apologies if this has been mentioned--Something I hadn't noticed before in last night's ep--When Michael is explaining his drawing for the showers to Jack he says, "I was an artist in a former life. Now I'm in construction...WAS in construction. It's a long story."
So Michael changed jobs recently.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 09:25 AMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Possibly...I took it to mean, since we are on this godforsaken island I don't work construction.
But maybe he lost his job when he had to up and go to australia?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 09:28 AMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 Sayid was repulsed when Nadia was showing him the wounds from previous tourtures. I wondered if it was only because of his affection for her or maybe (as we have, or should I say I have, speculated already) that he wasn't really working for the Republican Guard but a spy for another country.
He did say to her though that if he deserted his family would be killed. So as we've said before; either he did desert and they were killed or he left some other way.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 12:30 PMby: captainaeon (1300 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004 Possibly...I took it to mean, since we are on this godforsaken island I don't work construction.But maybe he lost his job when he had to up and go to australia?Remember he did tell his mom in the phone call from the airport (something like) "He'll be in the apartment all alone all day while I'm at work."
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 03:00 PMby: noobieNproudofit (153 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005 Remember he did tell his mom in the phone call from the airport (something like) "He'll be in the apartment all alone all day while I'm at work."I want to his his "long story".
perhaps he was injured on the job.....another stint in the hospital and more drawings at a later date...........?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 03:07 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 I just thought he meant the long story was why he was in construction rather than an artist.
But I agree, I do want more of Micheal's story. People seem to not like him, but I think he is one of the truer (made up aword!) characters.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 03:14 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Something I hadn't noticed before in last night's ep--When Michael is explaining his drawing for the showers to Jack he says, "I was an artist in a former life. Now I'm in construction...WAS in construction. It's a long story."So Michael changed jobs recently. Wow! I'm so excited to come here and read the past handful of posts!!!! Yes, i noticed this for the first time last night too!! When Michael said "WAS in construction. Long story."In the Moth, he said he was in construction for eight years, so it really stood out to me when he said that he's not now, and "long story."And davis, i noticed and thought the SAME thing about Sayid last night - the way he was repulsed by her injuries... and the look on his face when he was told he'd have to kill her. I thought to myself that he couldn't go that far - he was able to torture people to get them to talk, but not kill them... so I wondered if he was undercover... a spy... and just wasn't able to kill anyone (though he did kill Omar, I guess "for the greater good" - to keep Nadia and his family from being killed)....And now that I type this, think of how that would paralell Jin's story. He was told to kill that "associate" of Mr. Paik, but he could not do that - it wasn't in him... so he beat him up instead - lesser of two evils... and for the greater good.
I also picked up on how Nadia told Sayid to stop pretending to be something she knows he is not. Was she saying that on several levels? He's not a killer, and he's not really a Republican Guard (a spy who infiltrated the RG)?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 03:45 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Ok, I took notes last night (not as many as I normally do, as I was trying to answer A's questions, and knew i would be rewatching the tape I was recording)... And here's what I noted re: the dialogue between Jack and Michael:Jack: "I thought you were in construction."Michael: "I am. I was. Long story."So, this makes it seem like he is no longer in construction, after being in it for 8 years.Another thing that struck me last night was when Omar and Sayid were talking in the first FB:Sayid: "Youre my superior officer, for now."Omar: "I will enjoy it, while it lasts." (ok, that might not be exact because I got distracted, but something along those lines)So, why do they both thing Omar's stint as Sayid's superior officer will be short? It sounds like they think Omar won't be a superior officer for long. Is he only in that position because the previous superior officer was killed... so Omar is just interim superior, until the permanent one arrives?And then an exchange between Danielle and Sayid that stood out to me (ok, one of many):Sayid: "I was a soldier."Danielle: "Were? Are you still?"Sayid: "That was a long time ago."
He never says, "No, I'm not a soldier anymore." So, who knows?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 03:55 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 OK, so I've said all this before, but I thought I would post it into one cohesive post.re: Sayid and Omar-I thought he just said that b/c he was going to recommend Sayid for a higher position? Then they would be equals.re: Michael. do you guys really not think that he just meant "I'm not in construction anymore, since we crash landed on a deserted island"? It's not really an "identity" job, ie, Jack would say "I am a doctor" Charlie would say "I am a bloody rock god". Construction workers don't usually say things like "I AM a constructor" They would say "I work in construction", Hence, it would make sense that Michael would say he "used to be" in construction, whereas it wouldn't make much sense for Jack to say "I used to be a doctor". Am I making any sense? And I really thought the long story was just the whole thing with Walt's mom about how he gave up being an artist to help support them. MICHAEL: See, this junction here -- reroutes some of the spring's water flow into a couple of suspended basins. Pop in some holes, you got showers. This
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way you keep the drinking water separate.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>JACK: (impressed) This is -- you drew this?(Michael stands up.) MICHAEL: I was an artist in a previous life.JACK: I thought you were in construction.MICHAEL: I am. I mean, you know, I was. Long story.They were talking about him being an artist. Not really talking about him being in construction.
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 04:14 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 re: Michael. do you guys really not think that he just meant "I'm not in construction anymore, since we crash landed on a deserted island"? They were talking about him being an artist. Not really talking about him being in construction.042, yes... I REALLY do not think that he just meant "I'm not in construction anymore, since we crashed landed on a deserted island." And I still don't think that's what he meant.
And when he said: "I am. I was. Long story." - I don't think he was talking about being an artist, but being in construction. I really think he was saying he WAS in construction, but he's not anymore.... and I don't mean because they crash landed on an island... but because something happened that resulted in him no longer being in construction.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 04:22 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 04:23 PMby: captainaeon (1300 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004 JACK: I thought you were in construction.MICHAEL: I am. I mean, you know, I was. Long story.They were talking about him being an artist. Not really talking about him being in construction.Have to disagree with you on this one.Here's my interpretation of their conversation--I thought you were in construction.I am (in construction). I mean, you know, I was (until recently, when I changed jobs). Long story (which I will tell you in a flashback episode in season 2. Unless I get killed. Which would really suck because I just bought a house in Maui.)
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 04:25 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 OKSorry, 042! But I appreciate hearing your opinion, really I do. And who knows, you might very well be telling me, "I told you so!" some day. And I'll laugh at myself and congratulate you when i do...
But, for now...
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 04:26 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I am (in construction). I mean, you know, I was (until recently, when I changed jobs). Long story (which I will tell you in a flashback episode in season 2. Unless I get killed. Which would really suck because I just bought a house in Maui.)Cap, that is TOO funny!!!
We should do that with other scenes... like thought bubbles of what they were really thinking during a scene (ok, let's not do that HERE in THIS thread - but... maybe a new thread, if anyone wants to start one).
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 04:35 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 No hard feelings, I just think that this is one of those things we are digging too hard for. (You know, KISS?) I have a hard time believing they even had the plot for season 1 fully worked out at this point in the series...much less worked out where every character has been for the past 15 years. I would love for someone (cough cough, A, cough cough) to come in and tell me I am wrong, it would give me more faith in the writers.K, just one more point and then we can just agree to disagree
How could he have worked construction for 8 years if he just switched jobs? Walt was 2 when he was in the hospital...year of rehab...Walt is now 10.
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Posted: Jul 28 @ 04:39 PMfficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>by: captainaeon (1300 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004 We should do that with other scenes... like thought bubbles of what they were really thinking during a scene (ok, let's not do that HERE in THIS thread - but... maybe a new thread, if anyone wants to start one).That could be hilarious! Coming soon...
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 05:44 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 That could be hilarious! Coming soon...
I can't wait! Let me know when and I'll join in!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 28 @ 05:55 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 How could he have worked construction for 8 years if he just switched jobs? Walt was 2 when he was in the hospital...year of rehab...Walt is now 10.042, no hard feelings at all! I knew that - could tell by your "OK" reply. My was in a friendly fun "agree to disagree" way too.To be honest, I didn't think it was digging in the least to think that Michael meant that he's no longer working construction. Frankly, I can't see why that would be a big deal - people change jobs, and lose jobs, all the time. And, a building might have had problems that he helped build, and he got blamed. OR, in a similar manner that Jack turned in his dad for negligence, Michael might have reported someone in construction.... then lost his job as a result, or quit. Ok, now THAT is "digging" - but perceiving that what he was saying to Jack is that he used to work in construction, but not anymore, didn't seem like digging to me. As far as how could he have worked construction for 8 years - he was working construction when Walt was a baby, when Susan took the job in Amsterdam. Walt was one year old at the most then. So even with Michael's accident - even if he had to take a year off work for recovery - he wouldn't eliminate that year from 8 years. Though, the way he said, "I do. I did." -I got the impression that it hasn't been all that long since he stopped working in construction.And then about them figuring out the details of everyone's history so fast.... I don't know what to tell you, except that every main character DID have at least one backstory episode in the first season, if not more... . so they have to have pretty good idea about each character's story/history. With a show that is THIS layered, they have to know where they are going. How they might get there is another story.Also, remember, the writers job is to write. Look at how much WE do, and it's not our job.... we do it and we're not getting paid. At least they have THAT excuse!bumpbump
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 29 @ 04:13 PMby: sammagin (34 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 27, 2005 Quick questions.Has time travel been ruled out or is it in the theory bin of parts?I seem to recall Danielle stating her group was studying time.Am I right or was it just someones speculation?Thanks in advance.
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Page(s) 14 << [ 1 202122 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 ] >> fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 29 @ 07:34 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Quick questions.Has time travel been ruled out or is it in the theory bin of parts?I seem to recall Danielle stating her group was studying time.Am I right or was it just someones speculation?Thanks in advance.sam, i think a scene that was edited out of the finale involved Danielle mentioning that her team was studying something related to time - though I have no idea what that means, or if she was telling the truth.This thread certainly has dabbled in the realm of "time travel" theories... or at least some here have. It's not a theory I'm too fond of, but you're welcome to post your ideas here. I don't shut any out, even if I don't agree wtih them. I think cac might have had thoughts on time travel. She's away on vacation, but if you post, she'll read it when she's able to get on.bump
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 30 @ 09:29 AMby: ordinary_bloke (140 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005 sam, i think a scene that was edited out of the finale involved Danielle mentioning that her team was studying something related to time
It could be a simpler meaning of time. Like how the native species on an isolated island area have adapted and changed over time. Kind of a Charolette Darwin. Her hovel seems to be equipped with tranquilizers and needles not quite up to human standards, to say the least. I've always thought of her as a marine biologist for some reason, maybe just because she's associated with a ship. But not even Charles himself would expect polar bears to evolve from anything on a tropical island, so probably not. LOL
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 30 @ 09:32 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 It could be a simpler meaning of time. Like how the native species on an isolated island area have adapted and changed over time. Kind of a Charolette Darwin. Her hovel seems to be equipped with tranquilizers and needles not quite up to human standards, to say the least. I've always thought of her as a marine biologist for some reason, maybe just because she's associated with a ship. But not even Charles himself would expect polar bears to evolve from anything on a tropical island, so probably not. LOL
I agree, bloke!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 30 @ 09:50 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Ok, I just looked at the Good Morning America clip (which you can download and view from here http://www.lostlinks.net/#EPISODE%20TRANSCRIPTS)and there is no mention that Danielle was there studying time. Danielle is in the scene, but doesn't say a word... only drinks a raw egg right out of the shell while at the beach camp.... which is interesting since we haven't seen our Lostaways eat any eggs - though clearly there must be eggs on the island if there are so many birds.
So, now I don't know where that bit about Danielle studying time came from, but it wasn't the GMA "secret scene".
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 30 @ 10:16 AMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 So, now I don't know where that bit about Danielle studying time came from, but it wasn't the GMA "secret scene".
Didn't Ada tell us?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 30 @ 10:19 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Didn't Ada tell us?
Maybe that was it. I thought it had come from someone who had seen the "secret scene", but I guess not. Must have been Ada telling us about a scene that had been cut. Thanks, davis! I knew someone would know.
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Hi, Me. You have a go mail. Janet
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 30 @ 10:38 AMby: Lostfull (167 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 29, 2004 Hey guys, long time reader, first time poster . I know I'm a little late with this, but I need to get some opinions. My friend and I think we've found something on the Oceanic homepage banner in the form of writing in the clouds. It just seems too clear to be a coincidence. I think it would be too hard to try to explain where it is, so I have pictures:http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/Lostfull/cloudwriting.bmpPlease tell me what you guys think!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 30 @ 05:51 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Hi, Me. You have a go mail. Janet
Got it, Janet... thanks.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 30 @ 06:58 PMby: sammagin (34 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 27, 2005 Thanks all for the responses to my time question.Proves I didn't imagine it.
About those sketches at oceanic by mike.The one of the guy in traction and the statue.Anyone notice the tape underneath them?Looks like teletype to me.Am looking for chart to see if it says anything useful.No luck there so far.I ran teletype at one time but can't remember how to read it.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 30 @ 07:02 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 About those sketches at oceanic by mike.The one of the guy in traction and the statue.Anyone notice the tape underneath them?Looks like teletype to me.Am looking for chart to see if it says anything useful.No luck there so far.I ran teletype at one time but can't remember how to read it.Teletape? I think it looks like a metal strip to me - some type of metal used in contruction. You are talking about the strip with the holes in it, that the drawings are laying on?Ok, I'm editing here, because I found a picture of "punched tape" fromm teletype and DING DING DING - Sam wins a prize! Way to go, sam!And looking at the Ocean image again with the drawings, I now see that it doesn't necessarily look like a metal strip - and DOES have all the hallmarks of "punched tape" from teletype, as you can see here on the good ole Wikipedia website:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_tapeI definitely stand (sit, actually) corrected!!! Great catch, sam - and thanks so much for posting about it here! Ohhhhhh... this is good! Now we have to figure out what it MEANS! Who still uses teletype, and why would it be assocated with Michael's drawings? And 2003 is down on the left.
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 30 @ 07:14 PMby: sammagin (34 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 27, 2005
You may be right me.It does look like the tape that comes out of a teletype machine.Patterns are right for it.Just took another look and not sure now.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 30 @ 07:21 PMby: sammagin (34 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 27, 2005 Me, this is why I put it here.Your seek and find skills are second to none.Let me know if you find the code.Each group up and down is a letter or figure and now come to think of it is binary code which may tie in to that game Lenny was playing with.I was in the militia when younger and we used teletype. thats why it caught my eye.Found what I was looking for.Different engine.http://www.science.uva.nl/faculteit/museum/papertape.htmlNow lets see if its anything.T
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 30 @ 07:31 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Me, this is why I put it here.Your seek and find skills are second to none.Let me know if you find the code.Each group up and down is a letter or figure and now come to think of it is binary code which may tie in to that game Lenny was playing with.I was in the militia when younger and we used teletype. thats why it caught my eye.TWell, I was just reading the Wikipedia page for Punched Tape, and found this, which is a different use for punched tape that fits in well with Michael's construction background, his other sketch of the machinery assembly (what I think is maybe a car wheel assembly), and maybe even the Bronx Tool company on the box in the Beechcraft:"Punched tape was a standard storage medium for CNC machine tools. Tapes for heavy regular use were made out of plastic (Mylar) to improve their life span."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_tape"The acronym CNC stands for Computer(ized) Numerical(ly) Control(led), and refers specifically to the computer control of machine tools for the purpose of (repeatedly) manufacturing complex parts in metal as well as other materials, using a program written in a notation conforming to the EIA-274-D standard and commonly called G-code. CNC was developed in the late 1940s and early 1950s by the MIT Servomechanisms Laboratory." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNCI was thinking again about all the car accidents on Lost - an all the tires falling off... and wondered if maybe there was something wrong with one of the manufactured parts...Thanks for the compliment, Sam... but i would have never thought about teletype tape if it weren't for you! That's one great thing about this show - it attacks people from so many different backgrounds, ages, locations....
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 30 @ 07:40 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Sam, is this the code?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudot_codeThis is actually a page called Baudot code, which was apparently the original code and no longer used. However, on the same page they show a chart with the "final modification generally known as the 'Baudot code', also known as the International Telegraph Alphabet No 2 (ITA2). ITA2 is still used in TDDs and some ham radio applications, such as radioteletype ("RTTY")."Or maybe this is the code:http://www.science.uva.nl/faculteit/museum/papertape.html
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 30 @ 08:04 PMby: sammagin (34 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 27, 2005
Me.Just came to say what you just said above.Same conclusion with the wheels.All I get is gibberish.It does appear to be made of something other than paper though and mylar makes sense.The baudot code uses only 5 and this has 7.,and the time period fits for the use of 7.So I agree,wheel assembly,wheel problems,Sun's dad?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 30 @ 08:17 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Me.Just came to say what you just said above.Same conclusion with the wheels.All I get is gibberish.It does appear to be made of something other than paper though and mylar makes sense.The baudot code uses only 5 and this has 7.,and the time period fits for the use of 7.So I agree,wheel assembly,wheel problems,Sun's dad?Yes, that's what I was thinking too - Mr. Paik did it in the Bronx with a wheel assembly.Ok, kidding there... But, I am thinking the too manufacturing makes sense too.I was just going to post the same thing as you about how the Baudot code I found, only uses 5 rows, while the tape in the image uses 7 rows. However, according to this (the same Wikipedia page about "punched tape" there are some that use 7:"Tapes originally had five rows of holes for data. Later tapes had 6, 7 and 8 rows. Text was encoded in several ways. The earliest standard character encoding was Baudot, which dates back to the nineteenth century and had 5 holes. Later standards, such as Fieldata and Flexowriter, had 6 holes. In the early 1960s, the American Standards Association led a project to develop a universal code for data processing, which became know as ASCII. This 8-level code was adopted by some teleprinter users, including ATT (Teletype). Others, such as Telex, stayed with Baudot."
My money is on tool manufacturing though. I'm guessing there was a problem with the coding... and a key part for the wheel assembly was manufactured incorrectly... leading tires to fall off, and lots of very, very bad accidents.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 30 @ 08:33 PMby: captainaeon (1300 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004 Doesn't mean anything--I'm just bored. You probably know this anyway...The drawing of the Statue of Liberty in front of the Twin (no, another twin reference!!!) Towers isn't a true view so probably wasn't drawn on location.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 31 @ 12:17 AMby: Jerseylostfan (1257 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005 I just wanted to stop in and post a note of thanks to ME and Cac for keeping this thread going for so long. I know the amount of work you guys put into this and it is appreciated. I think I can speak for all the people who read this even though they rarely if ever post............ thank you both. This thread is a ray of sunshine on this board.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 31 @ 06:29 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I just wanted to stop in and post a note of thanks to ME and Cac for keeping this thread going for so long. I know the amount of work you guys put into this and it is appreciated. I think I can speak for all the people who read this even though they rarely if ever post............ thank you both. This thread is a ray of sunshine on this board.
Thanks, Jersey! Very kind of you to say. I'm glad you find the thread worthwhile, and come here to read. Feel free to jump and post if you ever have any Lost ideas/thoughts you'd like to share.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 31 @ 06:37 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Hey guys, long time reader, first time poster . I know I'm a little late with this, but I need to get some opinions. My friend and I think we've found something on the Oceanic homepage banner in the form of writing in the clouds. It just seems too clear to be a coincidence. I think it would be too hard to try to explain where it is, so I have pictures:http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/Lostfull/cloudwriting.bmpPlease tell me what you guys think!
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Lostful, I look at this last night and I think it's VERY cool! Yes, definitely looks like writing in the clouds. I appreciate you bringing that here!fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Interesting how the clouds are placed so that we can't quite make out the whole message. I'm guessing there could be a letter or two before the "HE".... and then of course before the "RM". Could be "THE"... and then who knows about the other word... "SWARM".... "ALARM"... ??Cap, good point about the Statue of Liberty drawing. I had thought of that as well, and had posted something along those lines on here when someone pointed out that it can't be the Twin Towers because they're smaller than the Empire State Building. It seemed to me that Michael was drawing his own stylized composition of the landmarks... from different perspectives.... and not in scale. Also, there's no way Michael could at that height of the Statue of Liberty, and that close, unless he was in a helicopter.
Anway, I'm glad you pointed it out as well though.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 31 @ 07:18 AMby: Shoobidoowop (770 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 10, 2005 Lostful, I look at this last night and I think it's VERY cool! Yes, definitely looks like writing in the clouds. I appreciate you bringing that here!Interesting how the clouds are placed so that we can't quite make out the whole message. I'm guessing there could be a letter or two before the "HE".... and then of course before the "RM". Could be "THE"... and then who knows about the other word... "SWARM".... "ALARM"... ??Hope you don't mind if I pop into your thread for just a minute. I've looked at those pics a few times now too, and to me it looks like it could read "HEROS ARM"War! war! war!Heaven aid the right!God move the hero's arm in the fearful fight!God send the women sleep in the long, long night,When the breasts on whose strength they leaned shall heave no more.
- Edmund Clarence Stedman, Alice of Monmouth (VII)
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 31 @ 09:42 AMby: noobieNproudofit (153 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005 Hope you don't mind if I pop into your thread for just a minute. I've looked at those pics a few times now too, and to me it looks like it could read "HEROS ARM"
hmmm,perhaps a reference to the tatoos on our hero, Jack's arm??
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 31 @ 09:48 AMby: sayidsgirl73 (8 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 28, 2005
i love charlie's tatoo lyrics, i thought it was rather ironic that (even though they always call the first eppys "the pilot") it really was about a the pilot to the plain
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 31 @ 09:53 AMby: Shoobidoowop (770 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 10, 2005 hmmm,perhaps a reference to the tatoos on our hero, Jack's arm??I don't know. Maybe!Let's see. He hurt his shoulder, he gave blood to Boone from his arm. He's got a tattoo. Anyone notice which arm? All the same one?
There are a lot of references to "Hero's Arm." If you google it, you'll find mythological references, lots of poetry, lots of literary references.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 31 @ 10:22 AMby: captainaeon (1300 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004 Let's see. He hurt his shoulder, he gave blood to Boone from his arm. He's got a tattoo.Anyone notice which arm? All the same one?He hurt his right shoulder
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Posted: Jul 31 @ 12:33 PMby: noobieNproudofit (153 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005 I don't know. Maybe!Let's see. He hurt his shoulder, he gave blood to Boone from his arm. He's got a tattoo.Anyone notice which arm? All the same one?There are a lot of references to "Hero's Arm." If you google it, you'll find mythological references, lots of poetry, lots of literary references.Shoo, I have been searching, but cannot find, the thread which had a poster discussing the meaning of Jack's tatoo. I know it something to with a large bird/ eagle. Does anyone remember this?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 31 @ 12:42 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Hope you don't mind if I pop into your thread for just a minute. I've looked at those pics a few times now too, and to me it looks like it could read "HEROS ARM"
No, we don't mind at all. That's an interesting guess. However, right now I don't think we can see enough in the clouds to know for sure what it says - it seems like there still are so many possibilities... so many to consider.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 31 @ 12:45 PMby: Lostfull (167 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 29, 2004
Glad you guys find it interesting, and hopefully you'll be able to do more with it than I can .
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 31 @ 01:55 PMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 George, I seem to spend half of my time pulling stuff out of your mouth...
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Page(s) 14 << [ 1 212223 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 ] >> fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 31 @ 02:36 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Glad you guys find it interesting, and hopefully you'll be able to do more with it than I canLostfull, I think it is interesting, but not quite sure what it's supposed to be saying, or what it all means at this point. Might be something to file and keep in mind in the future... in case we get more clues... or the clouds part a bit more to form more letters, etc.There was a thread specifically about the new Oceanic clues - I think it was called "change in seating chart". You might want to post about it there as well, if you haven't already. I noticed that you also started a new thread about it entirely - which is great. You might get even more people helping to figure it out that way.Bumpin' to the first page, oh yeah!
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 01 @ 05:19 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Have the questions for ATBCHDI been posted yet? Just wondering. I know they're often posted at night.bumpand again....
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 01 @ 08:17 PMby: marbalbc (817 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 04, 2004
I don't see any questions for that episode on the faq site. Were there ever any for that particular episode?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 01 @ 08:29 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Marl, no... there were never questions for that epi. They haven't been posted on the board yet. Not sure if any will be or not. We'll have to see - maybe closer to the episode, like last week.
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 03 @ 04:42 AMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 I found these on another thread and knew that we would need them here.Posted: Aug 02 @ 07:31 PM by: Slainers (203 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jul 22, 2005 Lets get back to task. Here are the questions for Wed. show. Lets see what we can knock out. No arguing in here...Lets make this a fun LOST ONLY thread and support each other in our quest for the answers.1- Why was Claire going to the beach?2- How many sets of footprints? Be exact in youranswer, so listen carefully.3- What does Locke say is the right question?4- Christian tells Jack "Are you lecturing me? Youtell me....?" What?5- What does Walt say Locke is?6- What is Hurley known as back home?7- Did Locke watch Star Trek?8- What does Kate say being in the woods was for herfather?9- Where was Kate's father stationed?10- What does Christian tell Jack this career(surgery) is all about?11- Chirstian tells Jack "This is not just about mycareer, Jack. It's...." What?12- What does Sawyer tell Sayid the island served himup?13- What does Sayid tell Sawyer the French Woman didto her entire team?14- Why does Locke tell Boone to turn back?15- What revelation in the review makes Jack tell the
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17- What does Locke feel?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 03 @ 07:05 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I found these on another thread and knew that we would need them here.Oh, gosh, davis... I saw those posted last night and was going to post them here and then got distracted and forgot all about it!! Thanks so much!
And I'm so happy to see you! Finally, someone else is here! It's been so quiet these days (in this thread, I mean!).
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 03 @ 08:08 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Hi ME!Yesterday I read a thread, but I don't remember what it was called, where you & some people were discussing Danielle being a 6 man team, and something about them being part of a bigger expedition, but the part that struck out at me was like she got a ride on a navy ship or something like that, and that is what she meant by they were the carriers? It just made a lot of sense to me when I read it!
Hopefully this episode tonight will give us new insight to discuss!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 03 @ 08:19 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Hi ME!Yesterday I read a thread, but I don't remember what it was called, where you & some people were discussing Danielle being a 6 man team, and something about them being part of a bigger expedition, but the part that struck out at me was like she got a ride on a navy ship or something like that, and that is what she meant by they were the carriers? It just made a lot of sense to me when I read it!Hopefully this episode tonight will give us new insight to discuss!Oh, now that's interesting, bliss! I had thought of the "carriers" perhaps being the crew that manned the "vessel"/ship that had brought her team - and I'm still thinking it could be an airship... but your thoughts about her team getting a ride on a navy ship is interesting. It could also account for what seems like conflicting statements.Maybe her "vessel"/ship DID wreck in a storm - but not on the LOST island... but elsewhere, and a Navy ship or some other ship picked them up. The Navy ship heard the transmission, and turned course to investigate.Well, it's certainly an interesting theory, and could very well be a possibility.
By the way, the thread I was in was the Rousseau's Jacket thread.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 03 @ 08:28 AMby: LostOtter (191 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
I'm sorry if this has been stated somewhere before.....I do tend to speed read through threads at times....tagging on to the navy ship "carriers" idea....what if Danielle recognized Sayid as military and "you and the others like you" is a military/government reference? Not a ethnic reference.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 03 @ 09:28 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I'm sorry if this has been stated somewhere before.....I do tend to speed read through threads at times....tagging on to the navy ship "carriers" idea....what if Danielle recognized Sayid as military and "you and the others like you" is a military/government reference? Not a ethnic reference.Yes, I see what you mean. I think that idea was sort of mentioned when we were discussing the 'You. And others like you" idea. And the "I know what you are" comment. I had said, by "what you are", she could have been referring to him being part of the government or group that's behind them ending up on the island in the first place, and/or behind the "security system". But basically, yes... I agree with what you're saying - that's definitely a possibility. I'm glad you posted it!Danielle knows SO much more than she's telling!!And you know - I meant to say this before - Sayid is NOT exactly the best interrogator in the world. He must have relied solely on torture to get "enemies to communicate", because when trying to get info from Danielle, as much as it did seem like he was getting her to talk, and not torture him, he kept interrupting her! Also, he asks her about three questions at one time... never waiting until she answered one before asking another. Even in rewatching, I wanted to say to him, "You have to just shut up and let her finish the answer to your question! Let her talk and see where she goes with it!"And then no one asks her clarifying questions, when she DOES say something puzzling - like, "Why didn't you get sick, if everyone in your team did?"Or, like when she said the security system is protecting the island. Next logical question would be, "What is it protecting the island from?" and "How does the security system work?"
But then again, we wouldn't have so many wonderful mysteries to unravel over the years ahead if everyone got all their questions answered in the first month.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 03 @ 03:29 PMby: OhioRob2 (1314 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2004
It's driving me boinker (I know short trip) WHY? WHY? WHY does no one ask questions?
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Posted: Aug 03 @ 03:56 PMfficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>by: Adawhen (2145 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 17, 2004 It's true! Rob's been saying it since day one, ask the right questions! And ME, too true! Sayid should have stayed in Communicatons and I think we all have seen his aptitude for that career since moving to the island! I keep waiting for Shannon to make a little clapboard to use every time we see that man building a "radio" that says "Attempt 314", CLACK....."Attempt 315", CLACK. Let's hope their survival doesn't depend on Radio Shack Sayid!So, whats up that you can build on? Maybe talk some good talk for the next couple of weeks?
A six man science team, and Brandon has the keys? Huh. The hatch, that descends and contains a ladder, but no means of opening it? Interesting. 16 years on a loop, you say? Weird. How did Montaigne lose his arm? Where? You have things to work on, and the clues do fit together is you turn them until they fit. Locke's visions also fit in. Keep turning the pieces!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 03 @ 03:59 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 It's driving me boinker (I know short trip) WHY? WHY? WHY does no one ask questions?And why, after asking a question and getting a cryptic or very vauge answer, they don't ask for more information?? For example, when Hurley went and got the battery. He did ask her about the numbers... what they mean, and if they were cursed. When he got his answer about the curse, that was it. But he could have said, "Oh, and by the way, what's the deal with the polar bears? Did you bring them, and do you know how many they are, and how the heck the survie here?"or "So, what do you eat for protein around here? And recommendation for a good restaurant around here?"And even when she had Sayid imprisoned in her dugout, she said, "You came looking for answers?" Then he went off on his story about how he had done something bad. She indicated she had ANSWERS, and he doesn't pick up on that? She KNOWS THINGS - things about the island - answers to questions.Argh!Oh well. Like I said, if all their questions were answered in the first season, then ours would be too, and there wouldn't be much of a reason to continue! But, sure does make us hungry for more, eh?
And dont' get me wrong, I don't want all the answers in the first season, but it IS funny how they don't ask more questions of the one person on the island who knows a lot more than she's letting on.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 03 @ 04:05 PMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 The hatch, that descends and contains a ladder, but no means of opening it?So, I guess it wasn't supposed to be opened. But if there's a ladder then there was access to the top. So, the only thing I can think of is that it was a look out of some kind. But, a look out facing upwards? A lookout looking at the sky...
Ada, am I warm?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 03 @ 04:12 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 So, I guess it wasn't supposed to be opened. But if there's a ladder then there was access to the top. So, the only thing I can think of is that it was a look out of some kind. But, a look out facing upwards. A lookout looking at the sky...Ada, am I warm?Good thinking, davis! Or maybe it was either... A. intended for escape from within only - emergency exit? That would require some sort of elevator-type contraption inside. Or, at one time, or at times, that hatch is filled with water up to the ladder... and again, the hatch is an escape route in case anyone gets trapped in the tunnels?B. The hatch was intended to have one thing placed inside, via the ladder, and then after the person placed the item inside and came out, it was sealed shut - never intended to be open.Now, that doesnt' account for the bright light inside... though I did wonder if the light was inside or on the top of an elevator that came up as high as the base of the ladder.I did find an image of an old shaft of a very old sewage treatment facility that was square like the hatch shaft, and had a ladder that goes part way down like that. Wouldn't that be a kicker if it just ended up to be the hatch to the research facilities sewage system? Poor Locke! That would be quite a let down.
And Rob, welcome! I meant to say that earlier. I think you'll fit right in here!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 03 @ 04:16 PMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
Just and idea to open our minds a bit more. What if it wasn't called a hatch? We call it that because that's what Locke and Boone called it. If we had just seen it for ourselves what would we have called it? If we can think about it without any preconceptions we might get a bit further.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 03 @ 04:22 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Just and idea to open our minds a bit more. What if it wasn't called a hatch? We call it that because that's what Locke and Boone called it. If we had just seen it for ourselves what would be have called it? If we can think about it without any preconceptions we might get a bit further.Ohhhhhhh.... great thought, davis! And really interesting question. That is similar to the whole "monster" thing.
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Most of the characters called it a monster, so everyone thinks of it as a monster, but the only two people who ever saw it (that we know of) say it's not a monster.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>But excellent thinking, davis. And your lookout looking at the sky is a very good thought too. It DOES sort of look a planetarium shape - though that's an awfully small window to look out of, unless it was intended to look at a very specific area of the sky.What is very interesting is that at the end of the Flysail/Claire story, Shannon has been kidnapped and trapped down the hatch shaft, and at the end, she looks up and the only thing she can see are three stars... or maybe it's one (if it's three, she focuses on one). So, that does remind me of your idea, davis!
Ada? Is davis warm?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 03 @ 04:31 PMby: OhioRob2 (1314 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2004 Didn't the ladder seem to be cut off far up from the bottom so it couldn't be used to go up or down!Maybe more twisted off then cut?
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 03 @ 04:53 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Didn't the ladder seem to be cut off far up from the bottom so it couldn't be used to go up or down!Well, it can if something else brings up person up to the base of the ladder. My vision was an elevator shaft... maybe the type used for mining... brought them as far as the ladder, and then they took the ladder to the top.
But, maybe not.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 06:20 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 One thing I noticed even more last night, when Christian said "You're lecturing me?".... was how he seemed to punch "You're" and "me". I always thought he was questioning Jack lecturing him because he felt he was so superior to Jack, that Jack had no business lecturing him. But last night, hearing him say it again, I did wonder if he meant... YOU'RE lecturing ME about negligence and endangering a patient after what YOU yourself did? Meaning, after a mistake Jack made that led to a patient's death?This has probably already been said... but it occurred to me that Jack may have taken extraordinary measures to try and save a patient, and it didn't work and the patient died... or something like that.Or it might be the first thing I said - Chritian and just feeling superior. I'm sure Jater's have already hashed this out quite a bit, and have lots to say about it.
And it's interesting that Kate's said that being in the woods was his his religion. That's how being on the island seems to be too Locke.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 07:05 AMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 One thing I noticed even more last night, when Christian said "You're lecturing me?".... was how he seemed to punch "You're" and "me". I always thought he was questioning Jack lecturing him because he felt he was so superior to Jack, that Jack had no business lecturing him. But last night, hearing him say it again, I did wonder if he meant... YOU'RE lecturing ME about negligence and endangering a patient after what YOU yourself did? Meaning, after a mistake Jack made that led to a patient's death?
I know it's been said before but Jack blames himself for his Dad's death. He thinks that if he hadn't turned him in he wouldn't have drank himself to death. And yes, ME, Christian could have meant that Jack had no right to lecture him after what he did.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 07:17 AMby: atbchdi (185 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 11, 2005 One thing I noticed even more last night, when Christian said "You're lecturing me?".... was how he seemed to punch "You're" and "me". I always thought he was questioning Jack lecturing him because he felt he was so superior to Jack, that Jack had no business lecturing him. But last night, hearing him say it again, I did wonder if he meant... YOU'RE lecturing ME about negligence and endangering a patient after what YOU yourself did? Meaning, after a mistake Jack made that led to a patient's death?This has probably already been said... but it occurred to me that Jack may have taken extraordinary measures to try and save a patient, and it didn't work and the patient died... or something like that.Or it might be the first thing I said - Chritian and just feeling superior. I'm sure Jater's have already hashed this out quite a bit, and have lots to say about it. And it's interesting that Kate's said that being in the woods was his his religion. That's how being on the island seems to be too Locke.
ME I'm taking this to my fellow Jaters, If you hadn't already done so. I hope that's cool. I know me and probably some other people thought that Christian was holding a mistake that Jack made over his head at that point. But I don't remember all the details about the discussion.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 07:22 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 ME I'm taking this to my fellow Jaters, If you hadn't already done so. I hope that's cool. I know me and probably some other people thought that Christian was holding a mistake that Jack made over his head at that point. But I don't remember all the details about the discussion.yes, thats fine! i'll go over there later and see if anyone had any response.Thanks for asking, and for letting me know.Davis, that statement Christian and said about his career being his "life" was also very telling... so when Jack told the truth and that resulted in his father losing his job, Jack in a sense took his father's life.... or that is how Jack felt, and it sounds like his mother felt that way too.
Now that I think about it, Jack's mother says something, I can't remember what it was, that led me to wonder if she was talking about something Jack did that would make him "one who shouldn't talk"... in other words, "you're one to talk, after what you did." I could be wrong about that though.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 08:04 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 "you're one to talk, after what you did." I could be wrong about that though.
Yes, I took it that way too. That Jack had messed up with a patient before. I'm thinking that it will probably be Sarah, and that she was pregnant? Especially because they called Jack's dad away from lunch instead of calling Jack when he was on the next floor, or maybe the reason they did that was because they knew she was pregnant, and Jack would go overboard trying to save her?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 08:11 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 A six man science team, and Brandon has the keys? Huh.Ok, this is what sticks out for me. They must have been on a small boat/vessel if there was only 6 of them. I mean doesn't it take a bigger crew than that to sail a big sail boat? I can't imagine 6 people trying to run a big enough ship that could handle the ocean?
Unless they were dropped off by a carrier? Is the "pirate" boat, Danielle's old boat? Was Brandon one of the "pirates"?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 08:16 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 One more thing I noticed...Locke tells Boone that he's lost the trail and the terrian is getting rough, that he should turn back, but he doesn't. Doesn't it look like they are walking up hill in rocky terrian when the find the hatch? Has anyone like EL marked where the hatch was on the island?
PS. I was wondering did A leave any EEs for this episode last night? I saw where she said she was going to plant some a couple of nights ago??
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 08:28 AMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
Do we know the order of Jack's flashbacks? He was not wearing a wedding ring in last nights epi, so, either it was before the wedding or after he wasn't married anymore. Do we think that it was before or after his wedding?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 08:33 AMby: marbalbc (817 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 04, 2004 One thing I noticed even more last night, when Christian said "You're lecturing me?".... was how he seemed to punch "You're" and "me". I always thought he was questioning Jack lecturing him because he felt he was so superior to Jack, that Jack had no business lecturing him.Combine that statement, with this...You tell me, if you were upstairs, and I was in a restaurant having lunch, then why did they call me?It sounds even more like Jack may not have been in a position to lecture Christian. I suggested this in another thread last night. Could Jack have a dependency of some sort - alcohol, drugs? At the very least, it sounds as though Jack has also messed up in the OR.Others have suggested that Sarah may have been pregnant and something had happened to her and the baby. Therefor Jack would be emotionally unable to handle this situation, so they left him out of it to begin with.I also like the discussion a bit further up the page regarding the carriers. It would make perfect sense that Danielle's vessel crashed, and they were rescued by another party. Her way of speaking is so disjointed, jumping from one topic to another...I've been wondering for a while if there is not more than one 'them' she refers to. ie: "They're all dead, it killed them all" vs. "I killed them, they were already lost"Regarding the hatch, I read somewhere, either an article or an interview (sorry, don't have the source anymore), that the location of the hatch was moved. I believe it was a production decision and they hoped no one would notice. I can't confirm that though,but it's there in the fog of my mind.
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2.Because they are AFRAID of the answers! Like the wife or husband who is the last to know their spouse is cheating on them. Or the parent who doesn't want to know his teen is having sex or doing drugs.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>So...Why aren't THEY asking questions??Be back later going to rewatch last nights show with my own questions in hand.Oh! Oh ! Just thought of a Third reason!3. THEY HAVEN"T GOT A CLUE!
I think these last 2 sound about right. And also, as I said, the writers are smart. If all their questions were answered in the first season, there wouldn't be much to look forward to and figure out in the seasons ahead.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 09:13 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 How did Montaigne lose his arm? Where? Well, we know where...The Dark Territory.How is just a guess...was he carrying the dynamite to the Black Rock? Did he run in to a polar bear? I don't know if it would have anything to do with the "security system" because it just grabs you and drags you down a holeUnless it grabbed him by the arm, and someone cut it off to release him?
How many people were on the "pirate" boat?? Was it 4? Just speculating here of courseIf it was Danielle's team that would just leave the armless guy off the boat.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 09:23 AMby: LostOtter (191 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
Ok, about Jack and his Dad. Remember how Christian stepped over to Jack and put his hand on Jack's sholder when he wanted Jack to sign the form basically covering for Christian? Then later, in the hall way he did the same thing for the husband as he was saying "I'm sorry". I was struck by how Christian would use the same gesture with his son as with a stranger.....Perhaps Jack saw it for the manipulation is was...do what I want you to do.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 10:43 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Ok, about Jack and his Dad. Remember how Christian stepped over to Jack and put his hand on Jack's sholder when he wanted Jack to sign the form basically covering for Christian? Then later, in the hall way he did the same thing for the husband as he was saying "I'm sorry". I was struck by how Christian would use the same gesture with his son as with a stranger.....Perhaps Jack saw it for the manipulation is was...do what I want you to do.
Yes, I think Jack did notice... it seemed to catch his attention.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 10:48 AMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 But the hospital was leary of calling Jack to operate on a pregnant woman, to the point of never giving him that information, even after they did call him.I didn't think that the hospital did call Jack. I thought he talked to the nurse, Andrea, in the hallway and she told him that his father was having a hard time so Jack took it upon himself to go into the OR.
I don't think they would have allowed anyone to operate on a pregnant patient without them knowing the full condition. It could alter what they chose to do. Anyone here who works in a hospital, primarily in the OR? Would Jack have been allowed to go in if he hadn't been called? How long does it take a doctor to scub for surgery?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 10:54 AMby: lost_wraith (129 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 07, 2005 I like to put these theories together:- it was after Jack's wedding- Sarah is dead- Sarah/Jacks unborn baby is dead- the hospital didn't call Jack to operate because the woman was pregnant andthey thought Jack wouldn't be able to handle it. Christian didn't think he would either. Perhaps Sarah/baby died in a similar manner.
I still think the '44' that Sarah was wearing is the death symbol for her and baby.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 11:09 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 9- Where was Kate's father stationed?
He was stationed in Washington State. It sounds like Kate spent a lot of time with him, but didn't she spend her childhood in Iowa?? Maybe Kate just went and visited him? Maybe Kate did have a step-father?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 11:32 AMby: lost_wraith (129 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 07, 2005 Here's a question for you all:Did the trail really split or did Locke just say so?Reasoning: Locke was getting pretty PO'ed at Jack for not being logical and putting himself and the party in harms way. It's not against Lockes character to simply let Jack and Kate march into battle alone while he went off safely in the other direction. He could think he was saving himself for the "Greater Good".Or, a second explanation: Locke is sensing some sort of magnectic field from the hatch ("Don't you *feel* that?") and decided it was better to follow that path than go after Ethan.
Best quote: "Must have been a piss-poor captain"
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Posted: Aug 04 @ 11:35 AMfficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>by: OhioRob2 (1314 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 24, 2004
Locke does have a lot of splainin to do!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 12:07 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I didn't think that the hospital did call Jack. I thought he talked to the nurse, Andrea, in the hallway and she told him that his father was having a hard time so Jack took it upon himself to go into the OR. I don't think they would have allowed anyone to operate on a pregnant patient without them knowing the full condition. It could alter what they chose to do. Anyone here who works in a hospital, primarily in the OR? Would Jack have been allowed to go in if he hadn't been called? How long does it take a doctor to scub for surgery?Well, you're right in a sense, "the hospital" didn't call Jack. When I said "the hospital", I meant the nurse who called him. And the nurse wasn't in the operating room with him alone. Jack arrives and not only would the nurse be there, but the anestesiologist, and several others... along with Jack's dad. Not one of them mentioned to Jack that she was pregnant. I guess I was calling all of those hospital medical professionals under the emplyment ofthe hospital as "the hospital".And as far as you saying that you don't think they would have allowed anyone to operate on a pregnant patient without them knowing the full condition... Jack DIDN'T apparently know the patient's full condition, because he didn't know until that review meeting when his dad mentioned it. I don't think they would NORMALLY not tell the doctor the patient's full condition - especially since it's not in the patient's best interest... but that seems to be the case here. For some reason, someone, or several people employed by the hospital, felt it was in Jack's and the patient's best interest not to tell him that... for the "greater good"? What would have changed if he knew? Would he have continued on in obsession, trying to "fix" her, after she was clearly dead? What is it that Jack went through that everyone shielded him from this... and that they would have called Christian while he was at lunch?
I have a feeling everyone at that hospital probably knew that Christian had a few drinks at lunch.... yet it was felt that calling him would be a better option than calling Jack, who was right upstairs? Now that is a bit scary!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 12:08 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I like to put these theories together:- it was after Jack's wedding- Sarah is dead- Sarah/Jacks unborn baby is dead- the hospital didn't call Jack to operate because the woman was pregnant andthey thought Jack wouldn't be able to handle it. Christian didn't think he would either. Perhaps Sarah/baby died in a similar manner.I still think the '44' that Sarah was wearing is the death symbol for her and baby.
I agree with all of this! Except for.... what do you mean, "death number"?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 12:11 PMby: lost_wraith (129 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 07, 2005 I agree with all of this! Except for.... what do you mean, "death number"?"4" is supposedly a death number in Chinese(?). Remember the last shirt good 'ole Boonie was wearing with the 4 aces? And then remember Sarah's shirt? not a good omen..
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 12:16 PMby: daviscbls (146 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005
I have a friend who is a nurse. She scrubbs for open heart surgery in the OR. I'll ask her if the scene was true to life. If the surgery was already taking place and Jack joined in after it had started, I'm wondering how long it would have taken him to scrubb. He couldn't have just walked in after talking to the nurse in the hallway.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 12:16 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Did the trail really split or did Locke just say so?Reasoning: Locke was getting pretty PO'ed at Jack for not being logical and putting himself and the party in harms way. It's not against Lockes character to simply let Jack and Kate march into battle alone while he went off safely in the other direction. He could think he was saving himself for the "Greater Good".Or, a second explanation: Locke is sensing some sort of magnectic field from the hatch ("Don't you *feel* that?") and decided it was better to follow that path than go after Ethan.Best quote: "Must have been a piss-poor captain"Good questions, wraith!You know, that was one episode I always felt Locke acted very suspicious throughout.
Whether it's one or the other or both, I do think that Locke senses some sort of electromagnetic field coming from the hatch... the "it".
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 12:18 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 They aren't supposed to give blood transfusions with the wrong blood type or leave instruments inside people either, but those things happen.
Shite goes wrong in hospitals every day.
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Posted: Aug 04 @ 12:40 PMfficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>by: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 They aren't supposed to give blood transfusions with the wrong blood type or leave instruments inside people either, but those things happen.Shite goes wrong in hospitals every day.
Yeah, I've heard some doosies! It's hard to comprehend, but yes... it happens.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 01:04 PMby: LostOtter (191 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
Right after this episode aired, I did a google for Ft. Hood, Washington state. I don't remember the exact year, but troops from this base were sent to Australia and New Zeland. I remember thinking this could somehow connect Kate, her Daddy, Australia and our island.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 01:16 PMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 I thought this was interesting. Someone posted a website they found this morning, I'm sorry I don't remember who...it is losthatch.comI just went and skimmed through it, and they had the english version of La Mer. They have the lyrics a little different then what we have seen. Don't know whose right or if it matters?Literal English Tranlation for "La Mer":La MerTHE SEAThe sea which one sees dancing along the clear gulfs to sparkles of silver. The sea Of changing sparkles Under the rain. The sea Confuses the summer sky's sheep With angels so pure. The sea Shepherdess of blue infinity. Look! Next to the ponds Those tall wet reeds. Look! Those white birds And those rusty houses The Sea Has rocked them like a babyAlong the clear gulfs. The Sea
Has rocked my heart for life.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 01:20 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
I thought it was Fort Lewis?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 01:22 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Right after this episode aired, I did a google for Ft. Hood, Washington state. I don't remember the exact year, but troops from this base were sent to Australia and New Zeland. I remember thinking this could somehow connect Kate, her Daddy, Australia and our island.LostOtter, Kate's dad was at Fr. Lewis... not Ft. Hood.
I did a lot of research about Fr. Lewis and listening posts in Australia after Numbers. We (in the Episode Titles thread) figured out that Lenny and Sam were posted at Pine Gap in Alice Springs. After much research, leading me to ECHELON, I found a connection between Pine Gap and Ft. Lewis (via ECHELON)! Ada confirmed this as well, but said that I'm a few seasons ahead, so that I should just put it in a file and keep it in mind.
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My bad, Lewis is what I meant. So, there is a connection, we're just ahead of ourselves? Cool.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 01:45 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 My bad, Lewis is what I meant. So, there is a connection, we're just ahead of ourselves? Cool.
Yes, sounds like it! Or at least ahead of the storyline.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Aug 04 @ 02:28 PMby: lost_wraith (129 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 07, 2005 Okay, I'm *really* bored today so I'll out a few more things for discussion...- Anyone notice when Boone said to Locke (paraphrasing) "I'll follow the river back" right before finding the hatch? They were climbing up a dry river bed. There seem to be quite a few dried (and not so dried) river beds on the island. Methinks it's going to turn into Water World come monsoon season.- Lance. Okay, most likely Hurley just threw out that name to get Ethan to correct him with his real name. But, what if he accidentally had used that name before? What if 'Lance' is really the Ethan twin?
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