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Page(s)10 [12 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ] >>fficeffice" />?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comAre Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun27@ 12:30PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004To the Last Page:http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=1110&threadID=444351&forumStart=0Here's a new thread to continue the discussion. I'm not going to be around much over the summer, but I'll try to check in when I can. -- CACParts 1, 2 ( with the Episode Summaries, Links, Diary, Spoilers and Clues), 3, 4 and 5 ...are no longer on the board, but a few of us have them saved on our computers, so if you need us to look up something, just ask.Message was edited by: cac120Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun27@ 12:32PMby: Dad_of_4 (587 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 21, 2004just to be second - woo hooRe:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun27@ 12:45PMby: Sointuit (519 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 04, 2005I don't know who's on 3rd.Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun27@ 12:46PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005Home BASE!!!!Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun27@ 01:07PMby: ELMIRAGE (202 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 08, 2004I guess I'm out.ELI know this may sound sci-fi,but with all the things that are possible with EM waves , I know they can break up a plane, but could they be used as a tractor beam to retrieve the wreckage in a controlled manner? Its a logical explantion. ELMessage was edited by: ELMIRAGERe:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun27@ 01:09PMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005I'm WAY out in left fieldRe:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun27@ 05:13PMby: OneisLost (53 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004Where'd everybody go?Wanted to bring it back to the top.Slip sliding away...Message was edited by: OneisLostRe:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun27@ 05:20PMby: Sointuit (519 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 04, 2005It's better on top.Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun27@ 08:03PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005Thanks for starting the new thread, cac - hope you have a great trip!Ok guys, enough with the OT on this thread... let's steer things back to Lost talk. Nothing against having fun, but we like the OT to be limited on this thread, so there's not much OT to wade through to get to the Lost stuff.EL: I know this may sound sci-fi,but with all the things that are possible with EM waves , I know they can break up a plane, but could they be used as a tractor beam to retrieve the wreckage in a controlled manner? Its a logical explantion. ELInteresting thought, EL! Perhaps it's possible, with all the other things we've read that can be done with EM waves, or even nanotechnology (nanobots?).Message was edited by: MEandtheseaRe:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun27@ 10:53PMby: annipadanni (31 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005hey guys! remember me???i've been all over the state of Texas and into Mexico in the last 3 weeks, had family visit, visited family, had 5 baseball tournament games, sent hubby and boys out for a father's day fishing trip, sent two boys to grandparents on a plane, put the house on the market, and FINALLY SAT DOWN AND READ FROM PAGE 24 OF THE PART 5 ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO HERE!!!!!!so, since i'm really not too busy at the moment, i think i shall post. oh, btw...the board has changed...anyone notice?i don't even know where to begin. i agree with most, disagree with a little, and am so very in awe of all of you!things that stuck out to me...
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kate didn't step on the bees...it was charliefficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>in regards to large cats...even if it wasn't meant as a clue...wouldn't cat dung (if it were in the caves) have been just as rich in nitrogen as bat dung? giving a reason to be mined, also why no evidence of excrement AND it would be explosive in the right conditions...but i digress, because i think you all decided it WAS NOT big cats, right? although, i just have to say it is a big coinsedence with the flysail/claire storyline...coffee anyone?regarding the sulpher, good info...especially that it doesn't smell like we think of it...remember in exodus when they are heading out w/rousseau? they cross over a stream, and it has a yellow film in it...could it be?i know there was more....oh yeah, the mediorite stuff...way cool. it is all beginning to make some sense to me, but to coherently put it into thought???? well, those of you who have put up sketchy timelines of the island, i applaud you...my brain is fuzzy, but i am home for a while...so i hope to see you all in the daylight hours very soon! i'm sure there will be more to add as soon as i sleep on it some.
and miss A...YES, this IS fun!!!! i'm having a ball, and you all rock!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 06:37 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 in regards to large cats...even if it wasn't meant as a clue...wouldn't cat dung (if it were in the caves) have been just as rich in nitrogen as bat dung? giving a reason to be mined, also why no evidence of excrement AND it would be explosive in the right conditions...but i digress, because i think you all decided it WAS NOT big cats, right? although, i just have to say it is a big coinsedence with the flysail/claire storyline...coffee anyone?Anni, Ada clarified that the big cat story she gave was "just an analogy". So, no... she was no literally saying that the "security system" is a big cat. You're really proposing that they were mining cat dung? I'm pretty sure whatever was mined was mined before the "security system" was created anyway.Oh, and yes... when Ada first gave the big cat story/clue... I thought of the coffee too - and posted something similar as you.So, yes... big coincidence with the flysaild/claire storyline - but A. herself said the big cat story was just an analogy.
I think she was saying that some sort of advanced hybrid security system was being created on the island that could be sold used by countries, heads of state... the eccessively wealthy, etc. And/or perhaps something else was being bred and adapted for that purpose...
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 06:43 AMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Didn't A hint about gold or diamonds being mined? I remember her saying something about gold and diamonds being common on this type of island, or something like that.
Wow, Anni! You've read a lot in a short time. It gives me hope that I'll eventually catch up too.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 07:37 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 A gave some clues to White Rabbit, thought I would post them here in case someone missedthem.Take another look, with eyes that have now seen all 25 hours of the season!The questions are only meant to direct the viewers attention to certain important plot points.Here you go!1. What is the first thing that the bully says to Jack? Listen to the words, because what he says has meaning. What does this tell you about Jack?2. What doesn't Charlie do?3. This one I debated putting up, because it seems more suited for the unis, but Jack spots his father for the first time, standing in something. It was done on purpose, because his father and their relationship is Jack's greatest failure. And now the ghost of his failure appears in something that represents his biggest failure to that moment on the island. Just make note of it, because with Jack, a great deal of symbolism is used. Now there's a good discussion point!4. This one didn't take the first time around in October, so let me just shout it out so it's obvious this time --- WHAT SIGN IS KATE?5. For those who still don't believe that the numbers were bibled and planned since July --- How many bottles of water remain?6. What is Hurley saying about that dog? And why is Charlie nervous?7. Who did the bully's beat up?8. Read Dad's icy speech. It's a dosey for foreshadowing on the show!9. Jack tells you something important while talking to the hotel manager, did you catch it?10. Did you get the reverse symbolism, by the way, with the Jack over the cliff scene and something that happened in the finale? 11. What did Sawyer make 4 years ago?12. Locke and Jack talk in the jungle. Listen carefully. There are important things being done and said in that scene.13. The scene at the caves has a great deal of symbolism, audio, visual, and thematic. Make note of the different things that Jack finds, and what the place means for the survival of the group in general. Then make a brief list of what Jack hears and see in that scene. Just build the list and see if it take you anywhere.14. OK, I know most of you got this, but this was a big one with complainers when it first aired, so let me toss this question in for the ones who will ask it this time. Why does Jack beat the coffin? Listen to what he says to Crissy just before that.
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15. Jack and Kate are the final shot. She asks where he's been, note his answers after that. Who does Jack share with on the island? What is it, in truth, that Jack feels he settled in the bush?fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 07:40 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 A gave some clues to White Rabbit, thought I would post them here in case someone missedthem.Oh, thanks so much, bliss! I hadn't seen those yet! GREATLY appreciated!!
Btw, where did she post them?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 07:53 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 A put them in the Bad Typers Support Group thread,but I found them copied in the J/K shipper thread.She also put this in the J/K shipper thread.....
I hear tell that some spoilers are flying, and I thought you might be worried! It's not Kate. In fact, the Jack and Kate storyline is going to be a little heavier this coming season, with both of them finding out that they have deeper ties to the island then has been shown before, and those ties will either bring them together or.........but that's another day! The actress who is being hinted at in Kristen's spoiler is NOT Kate/Evie! Hope that helps!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 08:18 AMby: annipadanni (31 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 good morning all. thanks bliss for the new question list...ah, 'back in the saddle again'!ME...lol i realized through the reading that it eventually came back around that NO, cats weren't the security system. i had been jotting down notes in my multi-hour reading marathon of posts made over a 3 week period, so i was just sharing some of my thoughts along the process...the coffee thing WAS funny though!anyone have any thoughts on the new diary entry? i say 'new' but i guess i should say 'latest' as i'm sure it has been up for a while, but i only read it yesterday. in all of my reading of this thread, i didn't notice any comments onthe new developments in the latest entry...seems as if trouble has come to more than just the rafters.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 08:30 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Thanks, Bliss! In the meanwhile, I finally found A's original WR question post in the bad typers thread. I want to add the paragraph she wrote leading into the White Rabbit questions... in case it helps anyone:Ada: At first, you may think that I am just stressing things that you already "figured out", but Luv, I read a lot of what goes on on the board, and I'm telling you, things were missed. Now, I can draw a map, or I can drop some hints to scenes or situations that were *ahem* important to evolving story.http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?start=90&threadID=444929&forumStart=0
Anni,I don't think we've discussed the latest diary entry in this thread - though I think it was talking about on the board... I didn't really read much of the discussion though. I don't know if it was very indepth. I'll have to read it again... then can discuss. I know it was unclear as to what blew out the fire, etc... We know of two explosions that happened around the same time - the one on the raft, and the one at the hatch. It's funny how, until I read the diary, it hadn't occurred to me that the two explosions might have been simultaneous, by chance... or nearly so.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 08:40 AMby: annipadanni (31 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 It's funny how, until I read the diary, it hadn't occurred to me that the two explosions might have been simultaneous, by chance... or nearly so.wow, actually, i didn't even think of it until just this moment when i read your comment.if they were both simultaneous, it could cause quite the confusion, huh? i mean which one would the lostees go to? would they even realize there were TWO separate explosions? it would be really bad for the rafters if no one realizes that they were attacked...and then again, it is going to be mayhem when more people realize that there is a hatch...someone is most definitly going down that hole!
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 10:00 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 The three other people with us are friends, but I never really met them before today. Two guys and another woman - all from Australia. What was that! A bright fiery flash - then a loud bang. The ground is shaking -- like an earthquake rumbling. And the wind is howling - enough that our fire went out. And now I can't really see. Why is she screaming? Someone behind me? I can't find my bag Yep, it does sound like something is going to happento these 5 at the campfire?! They should of went to the cavesI don't think The Others kill just to kill..or Ethan would of killed Jack instead of beating him up?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 10:12 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
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This is my response to A's response to October's response to one of the WR questions A. posted (got that straight?)... thought I'd post it here, for you all, and in case A. reads (would love discussion/feedback)"fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Ada: October? If your answer on the Crissy one was what I saw a second ago, your missed something!Serveral things about that scene... between Crissy (airline person behind the counter), and Jack. This isn't necessarily about what Jack says to her... but something she says to Jack. I did post this on the Episode Titles thread, after the epi. aired the second time, but didn't get much of a response from it:Chrissy (Agent): I'm sorry Mr. Shepard, but out policy is that the body must have the proper documentation. There's just no latitude.Jack: No latitude? No latitude?I put "no latitude" in bold myself. This is what I had picked up on and posted in the Epi. Titles thread after the second airing. I thought this was significant, and might be a clue to the location of the island... no latitude = zero latitude = equatorA., am I right?The airline agents name "Crissy" - it's an interesting tie or nod to Jack's dad... Crissy... Christian. Yes? Especially the scene is all about him and his dad.When Jack is talking to her, IS he talking to his dad? He says to her, "Look you can't do this to me. I'm ready to go now."She's doing something to HIM... he needs this for himself. And then in these lines, he says her name twice, which is a bit unusual in normal conversation - so not only is he trying to make a point, he's reiterating her name - perhaps the connection to his dad again:Jack:I want you to listen to me, okay. Because I'm asking you a favor, Crissy. I'm standing in front of you in the same suit that I'm wearing to my father's funeral and I'm asking you a favor. In 16 hours I need to land at LAX, and I need that coffin to clear customs because there's going to be a hearse waiting there. And I need that hearse to take me and that coffin to a cemetery.Why? Why, Crissy, can't I just bring him to a funeral home and make all the arrangements? Why can't I really take my time with it? Because I need it to be done. I need it to be over. I just. . . I need to bury my father. What is interesting is that Jack seems to be all about the rules, but he despirately wants to break them here because he needs to make good on this committment... and he needs to be free of responsibilty for his father. Though, something else interesting about this is that he keeps talking about "it" (i.e., "what do you mean you won't let it on the plane?"), getting "the coffin" through customs, and getting the coffin to the cemetary... never mentioning getting his dad there, or getting his dad home. Only mentioning his dad at the end, when he says he needs to bury his father.Ironically that on the island, all he finds is... the coffin.
Anyway, in a way, it's like he is talking to his dad here in this scene... as he talks to and pleads with Crissy.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 10:36 AMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 good point, ME. I have felt for a long time that the only people that matter to jack are people he can help. He can't help his dead father anymore, he is DONE with him. Calls him "it", wants to be finished.
About the diary, I have long been a huge follower of the diary, I think there are TONS of things in there. But, didn't one of the producers (I think Lindhof) say that they won't let things happen off screen? I think he said that specifically about the death of Sawyer, but regardless. I will be pissed if they don't pick up right where they left off. How are they going to explain the missing fire folks? They aren't even characters yet, especially to the average viewer who doesn't even know about the diary.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 12:03 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 lostinluvinit (posted on bad typers thread):Hm, so why would she say there was no latitude? I'm notorious for missing alot of random scenes. This is one of them. could someone fill me in?Well, "no latitude" in the context that Crissy was using it means "no leeway"... as in, there's no way around it - we can't have a body on a plane without proper documentation.What I'm saying is, that "no latitude" was also a clue to the location of the Lost island.. double meaning (but NOT a conscious "clue" given by Crissy herself... but a clue placed in the show by the writers). As I said, if you think of what "no latitude" means literally... "no latitude" = 0 latitude = equator.Now, back to the original context... she tells Jack there is "no latitude" there - no wiggle room - for letting a body onboard without proper documentation. What is odd is... a big question to ask... WHY Jack wouldn't have the proper documentation? He must have known he'd need to have documentation - the medical examiner, folks who hooked him up with the coffin, someone must have told him that, if he didn't know already.Did he just TAKE the body and run? The coffin? Was the body ever IN the coffin in the first place? Is Jack so off his rocker that he took an empty coffin as symbolic of his dad? After all, he DID keep talking about a coffin... not a "body".We had been wondering if the airline pulled a fast one on him and put the coffin onboard without the body, but what if he never brought a coffin to them with a body in it?Or DID it have a body in it? Maybe it did - and if it made it on board, then did he convince Crissy to give him some latitude? We saw him with Ana Lucia in the bar right after he had that fit with Crissy, and he didn't seem as upset as he did at the counter... so did he feel they were going to put the coffin on the plane?btw, thanks October!
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Posted: Jun 28 @ 01:12 PMby: annipadanni (31 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 Did he just TAKE the body and run? The coffin? Was the body ever IN the coffin in the first place? Is Jack so off his rocker that he took an empty coffin as symbolic of his dad? After all, he DID keep talking about a coffin... not a "body".We had been wondering if the airline pulled a fast one on him and put the coffin onboard without the body, but what if he never brought a coffin to them with a body in it?ME, i LIKE this. no body!!!! i asked my husband when we first saw this episode (i wasn't reading the boards then) about this very thing. i mean, that whole scene with the dolls and the empty coffin just really never set well with me. i never felt like i understood what was going on with it.i even wondered about the timing of it all. having (unfortunately) dealt with my own mothers death and all that had to happen with the body, i felt that surely after he i.d. the body, there MUST have been time (not hours either) for 'things' to have been done.there are processes that need to happen with the body to make it safe to be transported...AND documentation (like Chrissy said). i also thought it strange that he was in such a hurry. now, we don't really know for sure the timeline...maybe there was a body and it was a couple of days after he i.d. it in the ME's office, but it sure doesn't seem that way by the comment Chrissy made about documentation.i love the whole 'latitude' thing as well. i know you mentioned this way back, but we didn't know as much back then as we do now...as in just how CLOSELY we are to be watching for every little thing! nice catch.
and the name...Chrissy/Christian...very nice as well.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 01:46 PMby: annipadanni (31 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 hey all. just found this on another thread and it jumped out at me....Posted: Jun 27 @ 10:59 PM by: Adawhen (2895 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 17, 2004 Hey Luv, just leaving. A name for what? The couple in the cave?Adam and Eve!OK, look, it's going to come up in the first half of the coming season, and you get more info on them, but if you watch, you actually have more than you know you do. BUT, what connects to them was not at the caves.You can call them Pat and Mike if you want!Now typically when Ada 'innocently throws' in a comment like that at the end of a post....it ain't so innocent and it ain't just thrown... so what do you think?i've googled and googled...i'm not getting a thing! except for Pat and Mike (1952 comedy starring Spencer Tracey and Katherine Hepburn)...was she joking?
but she also says we've been given more than we think...and whatever it is that connects to them ISN'T at the caves....
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 01:56 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 anni: i love the whole 'latitude' thing as well. i know you mentioned this way back, but we didn't know as much back then as we do now...as in just how CLOSELY we are to be watching for every little thing! nice catch.Well, when i first posted my "latitude" observations and thoughts, we WERE actually thinking the island was somewhere near that equator, and "no latitude" seemed to support that, but no one seemed to respond much to my post, if at all, but maybe most people just missed it?Oh well, at least I have a chance to revive and represent it now!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 01:56 PMby: cleatusB (3 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 25, 2005 Hi all! Bliss, thanks for the clues!#9 was "Jack tells you something important while talking to the hotel manager, did you catch it?"I think he said "my father is chief of surgery". "is", not "was". Tied in with his strange behavior when talking to Chrissy and the documentation question, it occurred to me - maybe his father isn't dead?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 02:25 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Hi all! Bliss, thanks for the clues!#9 was "Jack tells you something important while talking to the hotel manager, did you catch it?"I think he said "my father is chief of surgery". "is", not "was". Tied in with his strange behavior when talking to Chrissy and the documentation question, it occurred to me - maybe his father isn't dead?cleatus, you're right about what it was that Jack said to the hotel manager, but he said it BEFORE he knew his dad was dead.
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However, we know that his dad was no longer the Chief of Surgery at that point - that he lost his license. Christian even said to Sawyer in the bar that "was" a surgeon... correcting himself after saying he "is" a surgeon.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>So, I think the significance of Jack's statement to the hotel manager is that he still sees his dad in that role... "Chief"... leader... the one in charge... the one above him. His dad may have been officially stripped of that title, but in Jack's mind... his dad is still there towering over him... better than him.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 02:27 PMby: OneisLost (53 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004 Don't forget we have a 2nd body floating around, Sayid's friend. They probably encountered one another at the morgue.I have never understood the fact that these characters that have run across each other previously have never acknowledged such. Shannon/Sayid had the most obvious precrash contact. You'd think one or the other would say, "Hey! I remember/saw you...". Charlie/Hurley. How could you possibly NOT remember running into Hurley? Nope not a one of them.
Jack smashed the coffin because he couldn't finish the job. He also thought he walked away from the responsibility, left it in the jungle but, I still maintain a lot of his communication with others is really directed at his father, especially his interaction with Locke.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 03:50 PMby: Sointuit (519 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 04, 2005 One,Do you think Sayid's friend was on the plane too? I thought Sayid had to stay to claim the body...but I thought that meant burying.Also, can anyone tell me if the white skippy in the tree in Pilot 1 has anything to do with the white skippies Christian wears in Jack's hallucination?
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 04:20 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
Hey anni, the only thing I can think of is that The philadelphia experiment was another hepburn/tracy movie. That is the only jump I can make.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 04:28 PMby: Sointuit (519 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 04, 2005 Hey Puff!Oh sorry wrong thread
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Page(s) 11 << [ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 ] >> fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 04:29 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
LOL This isn't the pot board?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 04:49 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 040278: Hey anni, the only thing I can think of is that The philadelphia experiment was another hepburn/tracy movie. That is the only jump I can make.
Hmmm... good jump! Wonder if that means that A & E were part of or involved in the experiments that took place on the island.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 04:57 PMby: brainsgonebad (82 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 25, 2005 I think another interesting twist would be if the "spirits" of Adam and Eve have somehow been grafted into the two smokeys on the island. Some mind control experiment, where conciousness has actually been transferred. Pretty "out there", I guess.In this scenario, they'd have to be "beasts of the Id", like Montauk (not nanotechnology), because of how long ago it would have happened.Maybe after this was done, the bodies were moved to the caves because for some reason the smokeys/monsters cannot enter the caves.They drew black and white stones, and that meant something in terms of two types of experiments. Something goes wrong, and ever since one has been fighting to right the wrong. The other, the "bad" monster, is trying to protect the evil still being done on the island.This would avoid nanotechnology, aliens, etc.
Yes, I know it's far fetched but Lost is sure fun to speculate about!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 04:59 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 That is all I can think of...maybe the originators? I keep meaning to rerent Philadelphia Ex., but keep gettting distracted by other things.Or maybe they ended up there on the island in one of the experiments, and the experimenters thought they were missing?
Or...they could have escaped the experiment?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 05:01 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Sorry, brain... this made me chuckle... and i promise i'm not laughing AT you.But "grafting" spirits? And you say this way we would avoid nanotechnology and aliens? Are nanotechnology and aliens more far-fetched to you than "grafting spirits"?Hey, you never know with this show - so I don't mean to sound like i'm knocking your idea. THough, I admit, it did make me shake my head with a smile. But hey, keep sharing! You've adding some good ideas to this thread.
Oh, and yes... it's pretty "out there".
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 05:03 PMby: 4__8__15__16__23__42 (45 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 01, 2005 Just a reminder: Ignore any "clues" Adawhen states. Example the Cat analogy.They are misguided and have no bearing on what Lost is about.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 05:08 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
We LOVE Ada clues - and she is ALWAYS welcome to post them here.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 05:18 PMby: brainsgonebad (82 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 25, 2005 Not grafting, I guess. Just some experimental way of taking the psyche of a person out of there body. Perhaps it reforms into some smokey denizen... who knows. This has been done several times before in sci-fi. Vulcan mind-meld, transferring a personality. I actually prefer nanobots, trust me.I guess Adam and Eve, based on the timeline of their demise, would be before nanobots were brought to the island. So they were probably part of the earlier experiments. Black and white stones used to select one or some for certain tests (or to lose their life or a child's life).Hopefully the lostaways will continue to discover the "layers" of people that have come to the island. One layer offers hints at the next. They might find an old, abandoned underground experimental facility down the hatch -- but another one is still going somewhere else, with nanobots.When Jack examines "Adam & Eve", we learn that they've been dead for approximately 40 years and were laid to rest without any evidence of trauma. Among their few possessions, Jack finds a pouch containing two stones ? one black, one white.
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Posted: Jun 28 @ 05:24 PMfficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>by: Jerseylostfan (1257 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005 040278: Hey anni, the only thing I can think of is that The philadelphia experiment was another hepburn/tracy movie. That is the only jump I can make.Hmmm... good jump! Wonder if that means that A & E were part of or involved in the experiments that took place on the island.Hey ME,I always read your thread ( and Cac's of course ) but usually have nothing interesting to add. Thanks for all the great thinking that goes on in here.
That being said, I thought you would like to know that Tracy and Hepburn never made a movie called the Phil. Experiment. She was in Philadelphia Story with Jimmy Stewart and Cary Grant. Hope that helps.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 05:25 PMby: Sointuit (519 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 04, 2005 "I laugh at myself every day I'm sucked into lurking and posting on the boards. Get back to work, I tell myself!!"
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 05:38 PMby: brainsgonebad (82 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 25, 2005 Questions for you:1. How many believe there are (at least) 2 monsters? I am sold that there are, and that there's a good chance they are working against each other. One seems good and helpful (bird-shifting boar giver), one bad and destructive (captain-munching tree thrower). However, things are relative and we may find good is bad, and bad is good.2. Smokeys: nanotechnology, alien, Montauk Id, or other?3. Related to #2, then, how long have they been on the island?4. Are they only viable on the island, where there's some special EM-field being generated (meteor, etc)?5. Are they controlled by someone with special mental abilities? Or are they self-aware? Or is one self-aware, the other controlled?
6. Is the monster the biggest piece of the puzzle to solve (in other words, when we find out what it is and what it's all about, we understand SO much about the island) ... or is something more important (cloning, mind control, EM, etc) and the monster is a sub-plot?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 05:41 PMby: OneisLost (53 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004 ME, wouldn't totally discount 04's "grafting". Smacks of possession and that would tie in with the bibilical refrences. Interesting take. I could also see that being tied to the nano's in later incarnations.Numbers, we really don't like statements that imply flaming and as long as you stick to the subject at hand, everyone is welcomed here. If you don't have anything to add to the discussion to move it forward, maybe another thread is more for you. Thanks. (I still maintain I saw a BIG kitty's eye.) What the heck is a skippy? Had a friend named that once.Ah, tennis shoe? Could be. I thought it was the fact that Christian was standing in/walking on the water that was supposed to be noted.I'll be checking in on the lap top from Wed. til Sat. if I have a chance. It's moving week! Yippee!!!!!
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 05:41 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Jerseylostfan: That being said, I thought you would like to know that Tracy and Hepburn never made a movie called the Phil. Experiment. She was in Philadelphia Story with Jimmy Stewart and Cary Grant. Hope that helps.Ah, thanks, Jersey! Appreciate the clarification!
AND appreciate the compliment!
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No Problem. You've saved me tons of research!!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 05:50 PMby: OneisLost (53 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004
Forgot about Sayid's friend's body. I think Muslims require burial within 24 hours. Don't think the friend's body was on the plane but that Sayid and Jack may have bumped into each other at the morgue. Another precrash connection.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 05:52 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 One: ME, wouldn't totally discount 04's "grafting". Smacks of possession and that would tie in with the bibilical refrences. Interesting take. I could also see that being tied to the nano's in later incarnations.Hey, who said I discounted anything? You made that up in your head, chicky!
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Not saying I'm buying it - but not discounting it. I mean, come on - if you only knew the number of things I've laughed at with this show! Me likes to laugh.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>One: Numbers, we really don't like statements that imply flaming and as long as you stick to the subject at hand, everyone is welcomed here. If you don't have anything to add to the discussion to move it forward, maybe another thread is more for you. Thanks. Agreed! WELL said, One! (had to edit my previous post, as I misread yours the first time. My apologies). But to make it clear, for anyone who needs things spelled out clearly - no anti-Ada talk will be tolerated or welcomed here, so if you have any desire to post something like that, then move on to another thread. We LIKE and want Ada clues here... she (with or without clues) is always welcome here. There is no question about that.What the heck is a skippy? Had a friend named that once. Ah, tennis shoe? Could be. I thought it was the fact that Christian was standing in/walking on the water that was supposed to be noted.Yes, I think a skippy must be a brand of tennis shoe... where I came from, they were Keds. But i agree, it's Christian standing in water that we're supposed to note. He was unable to save Joanne from drowning, and unable to save his father, who drowned in alcohol (though, not literally, of course).NOT to say the tennis shoes aren't relevant.
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 08:14 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Ewwww... did I scare everyone away?Just rewatched Walkabout, and Rose and Kate's orange shirts stood out to me again. In Do No Harm I noticed a lot of orange too... orange, as well as blue. Seems Kate wears that orange shirt a lot... Claire wears a lot of blue... as does Sawyer, Jin, and I think Jack. Michael has an orange t-shirt, which almost looks red (but I don't think is red). Shannon also has an orange blouse that she wears in DNH. I listed most of these out after DNH... so got them all.. and I know other poster made a list of those in blue - including little Aaron wrapped in blue. Kate was definitely wearing orange in DNH.I do think that blue is a signficant color on the show - and if the idea Inidgo Children are tied in here, then blue would be very significant (obviously). What's interesting is that orange and blue are contrasting colors... opposites on the color wheel. Balance.Another observation... and I was thinking I posted this before.. but maybe not... Anyway, the Walkabout guide says to Locke:TRAVEL AGENT:The walkabouts we arrange here are not just some stroll through the park. It's trekking across vast stretches of desert, rafting bloody treacherous waters -- Well, remember the rafting photo in Cooper's house? Could there be a connection here?Also, there was a fishing photo in Cooper's housse too, wasn't there?
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 08:27 PMby: OneisLost (53 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004 Along with the water thingy is the fact that the only decent conversation we've seen between Jack/Christian was the pool scene before the wedding. Maybe the parallal spl? is Christian couldn't save Jack from a disasterous marriage and Jack couldn't save Christian from his alcoholism. Both of their behaviour patterns are self destructive.
ME, maybe discount was too strong a word. I'm tired and brain is malfunctioning. :P
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 08:54 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Along with the water thingy is the fact that the only decent conversation we've seen between Jack/Christian was the pool scene before the wedding. Maybe the parallal spl? is Christian couldn't save Jack from a disasterous marriage and Jack couldn't save Christian from his alcoholism. Both of their behaviour patterns are self destructive. ME, maybe discount was too strong a word. I'm tired and brain is malfunctioning. :PGood thoughts about Jack and Christian with feet in the pool... another good connection. That scene... both were sitting side by side.... both with feet in the water... almost seemed like they were on even ground at that point - more on an even keel... I can definitely see the water parallels... or at least connections... though I'm not sure if Christian had any thoughts about saving Jack from a disasterous marriage. Though maybe it's just that I never thought about Christian thinking that deeply about things...
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 28 @ 11:40 PMby: cac120 (248 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Pat and Mike was made in 1952, which is about the same time Adam and Eve were on the island. I thought I'd seen this, but the plot doesn't sound familiar and I don't know how it's connected to Lost.http://imdb.com/title/tt0045012/
Wish I had more time to read this thread more thoroughly, but I must go to bed.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 05:40 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
Well, maybe Pat and Mike wasn't really meant as a clue. Maybe she was saying you could give Adam and Eve any name - the name isn't important... it's the why they were there and in what context that is important. Or maybe the era is important too.... as you said cac... 1952ish.
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Posted: Jun 29 @ 06:31 AMby: SmidgeInNH (521 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 29, 2005 Pat Michaels and Michael Mann are both professors of Environmental Science at the University of Virginia. Teaching climate control.
I know, I know, I'm going back into the corner now to mutter to myself.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 07:27 AMby: annipadanni (31 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 NOT to say the tennis shoes aren't relevant.
let's not forget that Hurley has ownership in a sneaker company that (was it 8) people died in from a fire...
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 08:22 AMby: jbbrennan (6 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005 Ewwww... did I scare everyone away? No! I'm still here, reading daily, I didn't have a whole lot to say on the maps, although it was great information, and I'm two episodes behind (they're waiting on Tivo) the discussion, but I should catch up tonight.
--jasmine
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hey, great to see you jasmine!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 08:45 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 But i agree, it's Christian standing in water that we're supposed to note. He was unable to save Joanne from drowning, and unable to save his father, who drowned in alcohol (though, not literally, of course).I was thinking the revelance of Christian standing in water was that they NEEDED water, and eventually
Christians "spirit" lead Jack to water.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 08:45 AMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
My bad about the movie, all! Sorry. At least it had hepburn in it...
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 08:49 AMby: Jerseylostfan (1257 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005 One thing that struck me about Michael's shirt is that sometimes it looks orange, sometimes red, to me at least. Of course, it might just be sweat ( eww ) but his shirt always catches my eye.Well, remember the rafting photo in Cooper's house? Could there be a connection here?
Lol, I think everything is connected. I think very little on this show happens without a reason.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 08:59 AMby: noobieNproudofit (153 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 18, 2005 Well, maybe Pat and Mike wasn't really meant as a clue. Maybe she was saying you could give Adam and Eve any name - the name isn't important... it's the why they were there and in what context that is important. Or maybe the era is important too.... as you said cac... 1952ish.
If I remember correctly, Tracy and Hepburn made a movie, together, called Adam's Rib?????
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 09:07 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Lol, I think everything is connected. I think very little on this show happens without a reason. Well, Jersey, I know that everything seems to be connected in this show, and that everything seems to happen for a reason. I guess I was thinking a little more specifically. If we're just going to say that everything is connected, then why bother even thinking about it or trying to figure things out? Know what I mean?What I was asking or saying is, maybe the rafting photo in Cooper's house is directly related to the rafting that is part of Locke's walkabout that never happened. Bliss, I agree that Jack's father led him to water, but I do think his father stading in water... in the ocean, has even deeper meaning than that... symbolically. noobie, yes... Heburn and Tracy were in Adam's Rib. I thought of that too!Anni, good point about the sneaker factory.
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Page(s) 12 << [ 1 23 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 ] >> fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 09:22 AMby: lost_wraith (129 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 07, 2005 As to Christian standing in the water.. how about in symbolism that he can't walk on water? (or thinks he can or something like that)What was the consenus of thinking of Jack's comment to his dad about "You've done it before" in reference to his doing surgery while intoxicated. I'm hoping that either Jack or his Dad had some hand in Lockes "paralysis". Maybe Locke came in with complications from the kidney donation, Christian operated, and nicked his spinal cord?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 09:35 AMby: annipadanni (31 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 ok, so we are really pretty good about adding things here from other places if we feel that it fits in with our discussions and such. so bear with me on this one!a couple of months ago i was on the fuselage board looking around. i've never found it enjoyable...or easy to navigate. however one particular thread caught my attention and i never really knew what to think about it. so i saved the link in my favorites and moved on. but occasionally would peek back with fascination.yesterday, i was perusing the ABC boards and stumbled upon a thread where someone else had actually done the same as me, but was now asking about it. the thread has since begun to stir up some interest and there are a couple of things that have come up that might be important.so, not to muddle that thread and this one together, but just for general info if any cares to...here are some links and some of the more pertinant ( i think) findings.the link to the thread on fuselage:http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=10938the link to the thread here on ABC board:http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=0&threadID=444083&forumStart=0what sticks out most is a clue given by the 'mysterious tiberious' on the said fuselage thread. no one knows who this person is or how they get their 'seemingly' inside or intuitive information....anyway, you can read more about that in the thread on the ABC board...back to the clue...ME posted this:"I just read only the first few lists of "clues" on the link provided, and the one thing that caught my eye was this one, in list #3:(3) Punished for the sins of the fathers they have become INDIGO CHILDREN. Someone then posted a couple links for Indigo Children... and one http://www.metagifted.org/topics/metagifted/indigo/ Indigo Children are the current generation being born today and most of those who are 8 years old or younger. They are different. They have very unique characteristics that set them apart from previous generations of children. The name itself indicates the Life Color they carry in their auras and is indicative of the Third Eye Chakra, which represents intuition and psychic ability. These are the children who are often rebellious to authority, nonconformist, extremely emotionally and sometimes physically sensitive or fragile, highly talented or academically gifted and often metaphysically gifted as well, usually intuitive, very often labeled ADD, either very empathic and compassionate OR very cold and callous, and are wise beyond their years.I found quite interesting, and could really see how THIS could be what the connection is between all the Losties... and what makes them "special"... that they are all Indigo Children? Is that "why them"?And, is "why them", is it because Indigos were wanted for mind control experinents, because they already have intutive and psychic abilities?"to which i then added this info that i found:"thank you ME for looking into the IndigoChildren clue. i went to an Art Institute for college and have an extensive art background. My color theory classes always fascinated me. The meanings of color, their effects on the mind and body...mentally, emotionally, physically, and i believe, spiritually.here is some interesting info on Indigo...The tertiary colour Indigo is manifest at the convergence of Violet and Blue within the Light Spectrum. Indigo is the colour of the 6th chakra - often referred to as the Ajna Chakra or "Third Eye" - partly because of its position over the Pineal Gland and between the brows, and partly because of it's association to paranormal "vision" - seeing beyond the capability of the eyes. Whereas Blue is the colour of transition - "the door to the other side" - Indigo, is the "other side". It is the colour of "synthesis"-which is the act of assembling "seemingly" separate - unrelated criteria into a complete or whole understanding. This translates through the human consciousness as KNOWING - but not knowing how you know. Unlike spontaneous phenomena, this side of our psyche, gives conscious accessibility to our super sensory perception, and opens us to our true potential and Birthright -The Realm of the Sixth Senses. This access to "seeing" clearly all that there is to "see", enables accurate and powerful decisions. Further, it clears the way to put action behind what has been decided, eliminating all resistance in it's way. Through Indigo, access to clairvoyance, clairaudience, and clairsentience is made possible. We learn to "see" in all levels of Light and reveal that which has been previously hidden. Whether one is male or female, the structure of Indigo allows that all important connection to our female side and the most exquisite form of deep wisdom - feminine intuition. The information contained within the Light code of this pristine and elegant colour is :" Knowing why one is here ". http://www.indigochild.net/a_homeframe.htmHere is some into on Electromagnetic Color Waves...Four thousand years ago, the Egyptians built healing temples of light. Bathing a patient in specific colors of light produced different effects. Today we know that a blindfolded person will experience physiological reactions under different colored rays. In other words, the skin sees in technicolor. In order to understand this, we must begin with the fact that color is a form of visible light. It is electromagnetic energy. The graph below shows where color is positioned in the range of radiant energy.
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http://www.colormatters.com/sci-physics.html#Anchor-Specific-25768fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>According the charts at this link, Indigo is the 3rd strongest.And finally (for now) i looked up 'chakra' in Wikipedia...was interested to know exactly what it was. turns out there are 7 major chakra's each one is associated with a particular part of the body, a color, a function and an element.Thanks to Tib and ME's looking into it...we know that the Third Eye (located in the forehead between the two brow bones) is the 6th Chakra, color is Indigo, funcion is intuition and ESP...anyone care to guess what the element is? common...guess!TIMEwell, isn't that interesting?"
ok...so there you have it. take it for what it is worth and feel free to discuss either here or on the other thread....
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 09:43 AMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 These are the children who are often rebellious to authority, nonconformist, extremely emotionally and sometimes physically sensitive or fragile, highly talented or academically gifted and often metaphysically gifted as well, usually intuitive, very often labeled ADD, either very empathic and compassionate OR very cold and callous, and are wise beyond their yearsI think I am an indigo child...So are these just any children like this? Or specific children born to specific people?
Sorry, I'm at work and don't have time to go to all the links.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 09:58 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 So are these just any children like this? Or specific children born to specific people? Sorry, I'm at work and don't have time to go to all the links.04,I don't think Indigo Children have to have Indigo parents... here's what that one link I posted said:There's a very good chance your child is an Indigo if he/she was born after 1992. About 85% or higher of children born in '92 or later, 90% born in '94 or after and 95% or more born now (some even say 99%) are Indigo Children! Does this mean you aren't one if you were born prior to 1992? No! I've heard reports that they started coming in the 80s, but that means coming in larger numbers. I believe there have been Indigos born in every year, but perhaps not in high enough percentages to notice their presence and see what makes them so unique. So can you be a 24 yr old Indigo or a 50 year old one? Yes!http://www.metagifted.org/topics/metagifted/indigo/introduction.htmlAnni, thanks for posting the recap... though you didn't highlight the same passages as I did from that site! The ones I found significant. Maybe i'll repost it as i had it on the other thread. It's good info to have here though.Btw, here's the Wikipedia link for chakra:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChakraI wonder if those who where blue a lot on the show are Indigo Children, and those who don't, or who where orange (blue and orange are complimentary colors - exact opposites on the color wheel - heavy contrast), aren't Indigos? That might be way too simplistic though. Besides, Rose was wearing orange, and she seems to be intuiting that Bernard is alive, and Michael wears orange, and he seems to have a 6th sense too.Characteristics of indigo ChildrenHave strong self esteem, connection to sourceKnow they belong here until they are told otherwiseHave an obvious sense of selfHave difficulty with discipline and authorityRefuse to follow orders or directionsFind it torture to waiting in lines, lack patienceGet frustrated by ritual-oriented systems that require little creativityOften see better ways of doing thing at home and at schoolAre mostly nonconformistsDo not respond to guilt trips, want good reasonsGet bored rather easily with assigned tasksAre rather creativeAre easily distractible, can do many things at onceDisplay strong intuitionHave strong empathy for others or NO empathyDevelop abstract thinking very young Are gifted and/or talented, highly intelligentAre often identified or suspected of having ADD or ADHD, but can focus when they want toAre talented daydreamers and visionariesHave very old, deep, wise looking eyesHave spiritual intelligence and/or psychic skills
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 10:08 AMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 OK, I know I already said this, but this is freaking me out. Its like reading my freaking horoscope.Not psychic, but I OFTEN have feelings that pan out.
Gonna have to do some more digging about this when I get home
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 10:29 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 anni: ...we know that the Third Eye (located in the forehead between the two brow bones) is the 6th Chakra, color is Indigo, funcion is intuition and ESP...anyone care to guess what the element is? common...guess!TIMEAnni, I was just doing a search on the web and found this about the 6th chakra, but it says the element is "light"... not "time".... now isn't THAT interesting? Either way?Chakra Six: Light, Archetypal identity, oriented to self-reflectionThis chakra is known as the brow chakra or third eye center. It is related to the act of seeing, both physically and intuitively. As such it opens our psychic faculties and our understanding of archetypal levels. When healthy it allows us to see clearly, in effect, letting us "see the big picture." http://www.sacredcenters.com/chakras.htmlHaven't both Locke AND Sawyer said they "see the big picture"? They are big picture people?
And we have ALL those characters whose names mean "light" or "enlightenment".
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 11:48 AMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 I'm at work when I get to come "play" onthis board, so I don't have a lot of time to research stuff, mostly read. I scanned thefirst page of the fuselage thread, very interesting!I noticed he mentioned Admiral M a coupleof times, did anyone see if more was found
out about this clue?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 11:56 AMby: annipadanni (31 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 Haven't both Locke AND Sawyer said they "see the big picture"? They are big picture people?And we have ALL those characters whose names mean "light" or "enlightenment".yes, ME you are right about this! too funny, in my reading i found this info:"When you have integrated the energies of Indigo which at this point in our evolutionary history is quite an accomplishment, the "Third Eye" functions at will harmoniously. You can grasp the Big Picture and create a thorough understanding from many diverse fragments. When not in balance, it is because a determined intellect is standing in the way, although one believes in a lot of cases that true intuition is active. This leads to self aggrandizement, and deluded behavior based on sheer illusion and fantasy. Such is the plight of many souls who mistakingly believe they "get it". This delusion is the "flip-side" of Indigo Prolonged and stubborn resistance to seeing things as the really are, leads to behavior bordering on unrealistic idealism. This eventually causes partial if not whole separation from reality. The ensuing result is an extreme issue with authority (everyone else is wrong - but I am O.K.). "http://www.indigochild.net/a_homeframe.htmnow, in reading that, i can completly see Locke. his 'prophetic' visions...were they delusional? and his failure to see things as they really are (or IS he?)...leading to behavior bordering on unrealistic idealism...he is just SURE that the hatch is HOPE...and that it is GOOD.
We've assumed, i think, that locke must have actually 'seen' (as in with his own TWO eyes) into the 'eye' of the island (which i think was also assumed to have been the actual monster). Now i am wondering if he 'saw' into the the eye of the island with is "third eye"...and might not be acurate in his perception...maybe his chakra is unbalanced, hence the hallucinations ('prophetic visions') and his arrogance of having 'seen the BIG PICTURE and knowing it all...
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 12:04 PMby: annipadanni (31 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 Anni, thanks for posting the recap... though you didn't highlight the same passages as I did from that site! The ones I found significant. Maybe i'll repost it as i had it on the other thread. It's good info to have here though.
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ME, i guess i'm confused here. i went back and looked at your 1st post about indigo children from the other thread...and i copied and pasted exactly what you had there...with the exception of some of your personal questions/thoughts....but i got all of the quotes tht you included.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>if i did inadvertantly leave some out (which i can't find that i did when i go back and look), then i am sorry. i know that you added more info in later posts, but you've included them here as well.
or is it that you are saying that you and i both read the same site and highlighted different things as important? i'm confused iguess...but whichever way, i tried to do you right! sorry if i left something out!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 12:18 PMby: annipadanni (31 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 from Bliss...I'm at work when I get to come "play" onthis board, so I don't have a lot of time to research stuff, mostly read. I scanned thefirst page of the fuselage thread, very interesting!I noticed he mentioned Admiral M a coupleof times, did anyone see if more was foundout about this clue?hi bliss! it appears as though Tib leaves a list of clues (as vague as they are) after each episode. i noticed that between list #4 and list #5 was the following "poem" or whatever...it is in a different format than his others...Croatoan seeksThis is no Isthmian game.Seek the son of Admiral M.The son of Cain.Born of the canal.Called to congress from Arizona.Seek the SenatorWho fights the FutureThe SingularityThe ChoiceTiberius what sticks out to me is:'son of Cain'...in Scotland (and maybe elsewhere) the prefix 'mac' means 'son of'. and as time passes many times the 'mac' before a name shortened to 'mc'. my mom's maiden name was mcgalliard....son of galliard.so, son of Cain brings me to MacCain or McCain.'called to congress from Arizona' and 'seek the Senator' bring me to Senator John McCain.now, what THIS means? i don't know. and the Admiral M?"John S. McCain came from a Navy family. Both his father and grandfatherbecame Navy aviators, and John III followed in their footsteps. He graduatedfrom the U.S. Naval Academy in 1958, as his father had in 1931. John III waslater shipped to Vietnam, where he became the third generation of his familyto serve."John McCain's grandfather was a gaunt, hawk-faced man known as Slewby his fellow officers and, affectionately, as Popeye by the sailorswho served under him. McCain Sr. played the horses, drank bourbonand water, and rolled his own cigarettes with one hand. Moresignificant, he was one of the navy's greatest commanders, and ledthe strongest aircraft carrier force of the Third Fleet in keybattles during World War II.""Rear Admiral John S. McCain, who, as Commander Aircraft SouthPacific Forces (COMAIRSOPAC), controlled all land-based aircraft inthe South Pacific Area, including those of the US Army Air Forces(USAAF)."so, grandfather was a Rear Admiral (M...McCain) and cntrolled all land-based aircraft in the South Pacific during WW2."John McCain's father followed a similar path, equally distinguishedby heroic service in the navy, as a submarine commander during WorldWar II. "Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., submariner, became Commander-in-Chiefof the Pacific Command (CINCPAC) in July 1968, a position he helduntil 1972. As such, he directed all U.S. military operations in thevast war theater during the Vietnam war, exercising command throughCINCPACFL (Commander-in-Chief of the Pacific Fleet) and CINCPACAF(Commander- in-Chief of the Pacific Air Force). He exercised commandover ground and air operations in Vietnam through CONMUSMACV(Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Military Assistance CommandVietnam), U.S. Army General Creighton Abrams. Admiral John McCainJr. died March 24, 1981."Another Admiral M. in the pacific. so, i am thinking he is pointing us to John McCain...but i don't get why. i am still doing some reading. any ideas?
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 12:26 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 John mcCain, I think Campaign finance reform and thats it.another tangent:The noun Isthmian Games has one meaning:Meaning #1: ancient games held biennially on the Isthmus of Corinth in the first and third years of each Olympiad-from WikipediaI looked it up cause I didn't know what it meant. A referenced "pat and mike" which is about a super athlete.
ARG! too many clues-I can't figure out what matters and what doesn't anymore. obviously John mcCain is who he/she was pointing to...I go off and look up Isthmian games. ignore me, sorry.
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Posted: Jun 29 @ 12:39 PMfficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>by: marbalbc (817 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 04, 2004
042 - Was there more than one Philadelphia Experiment movie, other than the very bad sequel many years later? I know they weren't in the first one, and the second was so forgetable I couldn't tell you if they were in that.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 12:42 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 No- it was a mistake. I messed up.
Google before posting is my new rule
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 12:45 PMby: marbalbc (817 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 04, 2004 lol, I was just coming back to edit my post after reading through the whole thread. And
there's a little lesson for me - read the entire thread before you post!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 01:39 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 ME, i guess i'm confused here. i went back and looked at your 1st post about indigo children from the other thread...and i copied and pasted exactly what you had there...with the exception of some of your personal questions/thoughts....but i got all of the quotes tht you included.if i did inadvertantly leave some out (which i can't find that i did when i go back and look), then i am sorry. i know that you added more info in later posts, but you've included them here as well. or is it that you are saying that you and i both read the same site and highlighted different things as important? i'm confused iguess...but whichever way, i tried to do you right! sorry if i left something out!Anni, I originally posted about Indigo Children in the other thread. You copied and pasted here that post of mine, which included a paragraph that I posted from a webite. You DID past all the text... but you didn't hightlight (i.e. highlighted in bold) the lines in the paragraph quite that I had highlighted when I first posted the paragraph from the website... even though you posted it here as a repost of mine. You put the parts you you yourself thought were significant in bold, rather than the passages I thought were significant. It makes it look like the lines you put in bold were from me... and I had bolded different lines.It's not a matter of "doing me right" (I didn't say or thing you ere "doing me wrong")... I just had bolded different lines. You posted it as something that I had posted, but you bolded different lines from that paragraph. That's why I said I'd just repost and bold the parts I originally put in bold.Wen you copy and paste someone elses post, the text that was in bold or italics doesn't stay in italics.
Anyway, hope that helps clarify what I ws talking trying to say. I was just surprised you change the bolded parts of that paragraph from my post, that's all.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 01:41 PMby: blissfullylost (283 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Wow, Anni that was interesting! It doesseem to point to John McCain, though I wouldn't know what he would have to dowith Lost?! It seems a little too political fora TV show? Let me know if you find anythinginteresting in your search.Seek the SenatorWho fights the FutureThe SingularityThe ChoiceIt seems that this is a clue to look for when
searching John McCain, One decision for the future, that he is against?? I don't know, just throwing it out there....
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 02:01 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 so, i am thinking he is pointing us to John McCain...but i don't get why. i am still doing some reading. any ideas?Ok, editing my post because the whole "poem" by Tibs just all does point to John McCain III... though I do think that we're also meant to look at this father's and grandfather's Navy and aviation role, as well as his grandfather's role in the So. Pacific. I agree that it does seem too political to be about John McCain III. but it all points to him... right down to "born of the canal"... John McCain III was born in the Panama Canal Zone.I like the POW idea though (see below) - that might be something there...
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 02:03 PMby: Jerseylostfan (1257 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005 When John McCain came up I immediately thought of how he was a POWI've often wondered if there was some sort of brain washing involved with the survivors. I mean something " Manchurian Candidate " like. Not neccessarily involving murder or anything. Just thinking out loud that something may have happened to them that they don't remember.I read somewhere speculation about the numbers being some kind of trigger to draw them to the plane.I can't remember if it was in this thread or not.
Pardon my mumbling in the corner..........
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fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>When John McCain came up I immediately thought of how he was a POWI've often wondered if there was some sort of brain washing involved with the survivors. I mean something " Manchurian Candidate " like. Not neccessarily involving murder or anything. Just thinking out loud that something may have happened to them that they don't remember.I read somewhere speculation about the numbers being some kind of trigger to draw them to the plane.I can't remember if it was in this thread or not. Pardon my mumbling in the corner..........Now, Jersey.... the POW thing is a good idea! That could very well be the John McCain tie... simply to get us to POW.
They might have used POWs in the experiments. Or those folks chained up on the Black Rock might have been POWs being used for mining.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 02:08 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 I also just thought of something when you reposted the future part. Is he against cloning? Or stem cell research?
OK< I'm going back up to read the posts I skipped over in my excitement
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 02:20 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I also just thought of something when you reposted the future part. Is he against cloning? Or stem cell research?
04, that's a good thought - but man... it's really treading a fine line to bring a living politian into all of this (or a living anyone).... even to lead us to clues.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 02:22 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
yeah, I agree with you, but that whole last part doesn't make any sense. And we don't really know anythign about this poet(at least I don't)...could just be a guy who likes lost and thinks he knows what he is talking about.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 02:24 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 OK, moving on...he mentions isthmus AND canal. someone do research on Panama! NOW! just kidding, I just don't have any time to do this stuff myself.Sorry, ME, I just saw your post about him being born in the canal zone. Never mind...
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 02:29 PMby: shakespearehead (278 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 10, 2005
Hi all, I'm fairly new to the general board, and I want to thank you for starting part 6 of your fascinating thread. I felt a bit overwhelmed trying to catch up, but here I am. I stand in awe of all of your brilliance. Thank you all for your insights. I really enjoy reading your thoughts and observations.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 02:35 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 thanks, shakespeare! welcome!04, the I still don't understand the rest of it though... "seek the senetor who fights the future... the singularity... the choice...." I know John McCain is pro-life, and not pro choice... but again, what does this have to do with anything Lost? And why drag a current politian into - not to mention open a can of worms here?I just don't see how this, or John McCain, connects with Lost.. besides a military connection, he was a supporter of going to war with Iraq, and maybe the POW thing.I'm suddenly finding myself tired. <yawn>Good Lord, I'm typing about McCain and he comes on the news. Freaky.anni, you should try posting that McCain clue from Tiberous over in that other thread that has the people into the Tiberous clues - they might be able to make something of it. I can't say I'm all that hot on his clues. I liked the Indigo Children one, and where that went, but I definitely don't want to hash them all out here... especially since there seems to be a LOT of them. But that's me.. I'm glad someone started a new thread for just that purpose. That way, if we find anything that really seems like it's' got some new and useful info that might be helpful here, we can bring it over, like we/you did with our Indigo Children discussion from that thread.
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 02:42 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 That is what made me think cloning. Well, that and all the twin talk.Fights the future...the singularity...I don't know.
Do we know this guy's credentials? Is he worthy of A type dissection?
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by: marbalbc (817 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 04, 2004 fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>I've often wondered if there was some sort of brain washing involved with the survivors. I know you've discussed the Montauk experiments in your Titles threads. I haven't been able to get through the previous threads completely, so I don't know if this is something that's already been brought up.Part of the Montauk experiments involved using EM waves for mind control, and to enhance psychic abilities. These experiments were played out on specific parts of the population unbeknownst to them.
Military personnel, prison population, mental hospital patients, children in social (foster) care...um, I think that's it. I can see some of our 'Losties' in those demographics.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 02:49 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 That is what made me think cloning. Well, that and all the twin talk.Fights the future...the singularity...I don't know.Do we know this guy's credentials? Is he worthy of A type dissection?04, Anni and I were asking ourselves that very question. He doesn't do more than leave numbered lists, (or like that poem, I guess)... never more like A... so he might be relaying info that is given to him to post. But, we don't even know that. I think everyone just assumed he's someone who knows things.
We're REALLy hoping that A. will come and answer our questions about him for us - at least SOMETHING to let us know either way... like she's done in the past when someone claims to be an insider, but isn't. Even if she says, "You might want to take note of what Tiberous says".. which would mean he IS an insider and his clues are legit... or, "Take his posts with a grain of salt - he's not an insider"... or whatever.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 02:50 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005
Anyone have a definitive link to all that is Montauk? That is also on my list of things to read.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 02:51 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Yeah, I think it is kinda strange she hasn't said anything yet. She is usually really good about clearing things like that up.
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Page(s) 13 << [ 1 234 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 ] >> fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>.Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 03:05 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 marl, that has been brought up before. We've discussed about Montauk and all that stuff at length in this thread, though someone relatively new brought it up again here recently - but maybe it was at the end of Part 5 of the thread. Whoever it was posted some links to info about Montauk and other related projects. We have had a lot of links about Montauk and all that stuff posted in our this thread as we've discussed, but the links recently posted would be easier to find (posting this for 04).
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OK, thanks, ME.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 03:53 PMby: marbalbc (817 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 04, 2004 Thanks ME, I realize it probably was discussed. How could you know about Montauk and not have come across that info?I've tried reading through all these fascinating Titles threads, but there's so much to try and catch up on, and they move so quickly it's hard to absorb everything.
Keep on posting, I enjoy them immensely!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 04:32 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 marl, I'm glad you brought it up again though - especially the mind control stuff... because this Indigo Children feels like it could tie into the Montauk Project and the mind control experiments they were trying to do with that. That's one reason to me why the Indigo Children thing might connect - and might answer "why them".
It's always good to not forget the other pieces of the puzzle, and how they might connect (though apparently not all the pieces will connect to each other - but to the island).
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 04:38 PMby: marbalbc (817 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 04, 2004 It's always good to not forget the other pieces of the puzzle, and how they might connect (though apparently not all the pieces will connect to each other - but to the island)
Well, I've said this before too, many times. People who discount ideas because they can't connect it to everything else are forgetting - there are actually multiple storylines occuring and overlapping. No one answer will tie everything together. At least not at this point. There are still a lot of unknowns yet to be uncovered.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 05:13 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Well, I've said this before too, many times. People who discount ideas because they can't connect it to everything else are forgetting - there are actually multiple storylines occuring and overlapping. No one answer will tie everything together. At least not at this point. There are still a lot of unknowns yet to be uncovered.I agree, marl! Definitely.
I often delve into researching a clue, or something I think might be a clue... a lead I might sense... and will go so far with it, and when i feel I've hit a deadend, I'll just put it aside and move to something else. If I still feel it's an idea or lead or theory that has potential, I won't discard it, but will just put it on the back burner... and will come back to it later. That way I don't get too frustrated, and don't get bored, and something else that might shine more light on it might come along later. And this way, there is ALWAYS something to do... or go back to.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 07:15 PMby: annipadanni (31 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 hey guys. ok...ME, i am so sorry, i guess i just thought that italics and bold would transfer and in my skimming back over (which is how i do my bold and italics...after i copy/paste) it looks like i DID go into the parts that YOU actually posted....i wasn't meaning to, it was from haste.i am sorry and if you like i will go back and edit the post. it was an oversight that i didn't even catch the 2nd time i looked. about Tib and his/her lists. I have read all of the lists. i have been reading them for a couple of months. and i have found that the things he/she includes ARE things that we DO eventually find...usually with a little purple help. that said, i am certainly NOT giving this person a thumbs up (or down for that matter). i have NO IDEA who this person is, or where they get their info. Yes, ME i will post it over on the other thread, i was out of time earlier and this thread is my home...so i take care of things here first!!!!like all of you, i really wish Ada would give us a heads up one way or another too, because if Tib is ligit....there are some great lists over there! But if Tib is a nut...well, i don't want to waste too much time on it all either!
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Anni, we're fine as far as the Indigo Children post is concerned - I thought we were done with it. As I said, I KNOW you weren't trying to do wrong by me. It's all good. It's all fine. Let's move on from this, please.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>as far as the Tiberus stuff goes... I never said you were the only one who reads his posts - clearly a lot do on the Fuselage... like we do HERE with A's clues... but we really don't know anything about T. yet. That's all we were saying.My only point was, there are over 100 pages of Tiberous posts, I heard? And I've seen some, and I'm not that impressed with them. I guess I would just hate to see every one brought over here to this thread to be hashed out to determine if it's something more than what we already figured out already or not.
I didn't mean to offend. We've always been able to suggest some very doable in-house guidelines in this thread that we've all pretty much agreed to - or at least felt the same way about. I'm not saying NEVER to post Tiberous clues here - but to think of how many there are, and we don't even know who this person is yet - makes my head spin.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 08:13 PMby: sammagin (34 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 27, 2005 042078 These will keep you busy for awhile.Some fascinating material.http://users.rcn.com/zap.dnai/orion.htm
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 08:17 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 042078 These will keep you busy for awhile.Some fascinating material.http://users.rcn.com/zap.dnai/orion.htmhttp://surbrook.devermore.net/herosource/monphoenix2.htmlThanks, sam! Were you the one who posted these links here recently? My apologies for forgetting if you were! So many people come and go around here... hard to keep up!
Appreciated though!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 08:22 PMby: sammagin (34 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 27, 2005 No problem Me.I had interupted back in 5 with the first link.Like to help out where I can.Everyone was a newby once.If it was me you were refering to the name is new but have been here since about ahalf hour after the first episode first aired.Samm is in my other names.Don't post much but read lots.Especially this thread atleast once a day.See thats why I don't post much.Thread killers anonymous here I come.Kidding.
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 08:39 PMby: Cornage (207 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 07, 2005
Hey ME? I hope you recognize this name, which I rarely use, but I'm again breaking rules by being here. I've been pulled until further notice, but when I can, I still read. I saw where you and Anni were wondering about Tib and said you wished I would comment on him/her. I did offer in another thread, but can't remember if I ever went back to check what they wanted me to do, so here it is. Tib is not associated with the show. The solution is not of a religious nature. The poster you are wondering about has a theory that it is tied in with the whole Opus Dei/Templars blah blah blah, but it isn't. Cool research though! I would make a joke here, but my jokes lately have been confusing my troll, who apparently, then researches the jokes fruitlessly to a dead end. Poor troll! Hope that helps and as soon as I'm told that I can come back, I'll stop here first!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 09:28 PMby: Jerseylostfan (1257 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005 Evening Cornage,Nice to see you. Samm you can come to TK whenever you want. Same invite to everyone. We're pretty friendly over there.A few things that caught my eye this time, more questions.Little Jack's striped shirt - wasn't there a discussion about Walt's striped shirts?Was it ever resolved if that possibly was little Jack in the scene with Locke and the mousetrap game? The two boys look alike.What is up with those dolls by the caves?Is it possible that Jack is having DT's ? I've never seen that posted anywhere. Or is he just special, having some sort of exhaustion related hallucination/premonition ( for lack of a better word ).?I was really struck by the scenes with Jack and Locke. When Locke saved him at the ravine ,it was such a striking mirror of Jack saving Locke in Exodus. Also the scene in the jungle reminded me of other inspiring talks Locke had with Sawyer, Charlie, Michael and Boone ( were there others ? ). Lastly, I never minded poor old Boone, even though I know many viewers did. He basically was just trying to do the right thing, even though he came off like a fool. He reminded me of young Jack and how his Dad said he would never measure up ( paraphrasing ). I was also struck by Jack's crusifixion ( sp ) statement about how the crowd was treating Boone. Whew! Sorry to go on so. I didn't want to forget anything. If this has all been talked about to death, just ignore it. I only started reading this board in Feb.
Your thoughts would be great though, lol.
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by: Jerseylostfan (1257 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005 fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>A answered the doll question in another threadhttp://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=448850&forumStart=0one down - yeah!!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 10:25 PMby: annipadanni (31 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 here is what A said in the thread Jersey just posted...for those of you who don't have time to go and read...thanks Jersey for the link!!!! Awesome find!"Meredg, practically! No, I better straigten this one up immediately, or my troll will spend the next week researching it and claiming I misled her! I mean I had to wait nine months for someone to get the cyclic symbolism of Jack, unable to save Joanna, finding the water that would save them all, and lifting the doll out of the water as a completion of the theme. Girl, again, thanks! I've been telling people and telling people and telling people he's symbolic. This episode was critical for understanding everything that Jack does after. His past, his present, his future.
Girl, you are great!"
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 29 @ 10:28 PMby: Jerseylostfan (1257 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005 I find it interesting to read the character board sometimes too.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 05:51 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Thanks, SOOOO much Cornage!! That helps a LOT!! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Yay! And yes, I recognize the name.Sorry you can't post a joke without getting burned at the stake for it, but I understand. Some people don't know how to take a joke, I guess - literally! Though, I can't say that I've never mistakingly taken some of your statements or jokes as possible clues, and researched them to a deadend - but then when i find out it wasn't intended as a clue - I only laugh! I think it's a hoot! I laugh at MYSELF! You know what Jimmy says - if we didn't laugh, we would all go insane! Well, we look forward to you returning, as soon as you can. So, does that mean there's nothing to the Indigo Children stuff - it's not part of the Lost storyline?Oh, and Sam... you are welcome here any time too, of course! We're pretty friendly here as well! But I think you probably know that by now, I hope! And you weren't and aren't interrupting! Feel free to jump in ANY time! Jersey: Is it possible that Jack is having DT's ? I've never seen that posted anywhere. Or is he just special, having some sort of exhaustion related hallucination/premonition ( for lack of a better word ).?Could be, Jersey... though this seems to last quite a while. Remember how ill Jack seemed in DNH, when he was treating Boone after his "fall"? Apnea (shortnes of breath), insominia/lack of sleep, sweating, disorientation? Well, I noticed in last week that he was already starting to show signs of this, in Tabula Rasa - and that was 3 days after he crash. It increased even more in Walkabout... and progresses even more in White Rabbit.I'm not sure what it is and we had a HUGE discussion about "What is wrong with Jack" after DNH... but never came to a definitive conclusion. I am noticing though that the symptoms started to show just days after the crash.Jersey: I was really struck by the scenes with Jack and Locke. When Locke saved him at the ravine ,it was such a striking mirror of Jack saving Locke in Exodus. Yes! I agree! Jersey, did you see A's list of clues for White Rabbit? She asked "Did you get the reverse symbolism, by the way, with the Jack over the cliff scene and something that happened in the finale?" Well, that's it! Now, what do you think the symbolism was? Think of Jack's state of mind when Locke found him dangling over the cliff and Locke caught him and puilled him up... how Jack had been obsessively been chasing something. Now think of Locke's state of mind when he got pulled down the hole, and Jack had to grab him and pull him up.... the way Locke was chasing the monster (or at least following)... his state of mind. And how did Jack seem when he pulled Locke up, and how did Locke seem when he pulled Jack up? Interesting, eh?
And thanks for the link, Jersey!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 06:06 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 here is what A said in the thread Jersey just posted...for those of you who don't have time to go and read...Anni, thanks so much for taking the time to repost cornages post here, but that's not the only thing that she said in that thread, and in that post she's actually clarifying something else she said in the thread that meredog mistook.
I think it would be worth going to read the thread itself. Girlsenberry starts out the thread with a brilliant answer to the symbolism behind that doll scene with Jack. Cornage posts several times after that.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 07:41 AMby: annipadanni (31 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 georgie porgie pudding and pie...you took our posts and made me cry!
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Posted: Jun 30 @ 07:44 AMfficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>by: shakespearehead (278 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 10, 2005
On page one of this thread blissfullylost reposted A's list of things to look for in "White Rabbit." I found most of the answers, but #13 has me stumped. The scene went so fast! Has anyone made a list of EVERYTHING Jack sees and hears in the cave as A suggested?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 07:50 AMby: annipadanni (31 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 Anni, thanks so much for taking the time to repost cornages post here, but that's not the only thing that she said in that thread, and in that post she's actually clarifying something else she said in the thread that meredog mistook.I think it would be worth going to read the thread itself. Girlsenberry starts out the thread with a brilliant answer to the symbolism behind that doll scene with Jack. Cornage posts several times after that.i agree, and i considered adding more, but figured that Jersey's link would provide the rest if anyone needed it. i included A's answer to the dolls (THIS particular post because it was the most complete of the explainations that i saw) specifically for those who have asked that we include important stuff here, as they don't have much time to hop around the board.
but i agree with ME, there is more info on that thread, if you can, it is worth a read through!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 08:27 AMby: Jerseylostfan (1257 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005 Me-I'm not sure what it is and we had a HUGE discussion about "What is wrong with Jack" after DNH... but never came to a definitive conclusion. I am noticing though that the symptoms started to show just days after the crash.I remember that discussion. I don't know what I think is wrong with Jack. I just threw that out there so we could be even more confused, lol.Me-Yes! I agree! Jersey, did you see A's list of clues for White Rabbit? She asked "Did you get the reverse symbolism, by the way, with the Jack over the cliff scene and something that happened in the finale?" Well, that's it! Now, what do you think the symbolism was? Think of Jack's state of mind when Locke found him dangling over the cliff and Locke caught him and puilled him up... how Jack had been obsessively been chasing something. Now think of Locke's state of mind when he got pulled down the hole, and Jack had to grab him and pull him up.... the way Locke was chasing the monster (or at least following)... his state of mind. And how did Jack seem when he pulled Locke up, and how did Locke seem when he pulled Jack up? Interesting, eh?I have read all of A's clues since Feb. That doesn't necessarily mean I remember them all, lol. I just love her.The first thing I thought of when I read that was that they were both at the end of their rope. Does that sound too stupid? Here's another, does this parallel Jack's relationship with his father. I mean the reversal of power, sort of.Jack's Dad was his superior in every way until Jack turned him in for drinking. Jack then attempts to save his father when he's in trouble and fails. Locke is chasing his dream to his detriment and Jack manages to save him. I think my brain is melting from the heat, lol. Does that make any sense? It made sense in my head before I typed it!!Also, ME, do you want me to edit my last post? Thanks.Hi to everyone else here.
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 08:44 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I have read all of A's clues since Feb. That doesn't necessarily mean I remember them all, lol. I just love her.The first thing I thought of when I read that was that they were both at the end of their rope. Does that sound too stupid? No, Jersey... it doesn't sound stupid! That's what I was getting at!The clues of A's I was talking about are on page 1 of this thread... very recent... that's why I mentioned them in terms of that parallel between the scenes with Jack and Locke saving each other.I agree that there seems to be a parellel with Jack's relationship with his dad as well. Although Jack seemed to be resolved to a degree at the end of Walkabout, as far as coming terms with his dad goes, I think it was only after Sawyer told Jack, during Exodus I, about the conversation he had with Christian in Sydney that Jack was able to fully believe in himself. It was after that converation with Sawyer that he saved Locke... though I feel like he would have done it anyway. Jersey, I don't see any reason to edit your last post. I knew what you were talking about.Ok, from A. clues on page 1 of this thread - shakespeare just asked about this, but I needed to go back and look at the scene more closely myself, so just did:13. The scene at the caves has a great deal of symbolism, audio, visual, and thematic. Make note of the different things that Jack finds, and what the place means for the survival of the group in general. Then make a brief list of what Jack hears and see in that scene. Just build the list and see if it take you anywhere.Just a few things I noted.... I heard the water falling (from the waterfall), a cricket-ish chirping sound... And then when Jack is smashing the daylight out of that coffin - listen to it without watching the screen!! What do you hear?It's the EXACT same sound as the "security system" stomping, crashing sound!Cornage, if you come back on, is am I on to something here?
Also, C.... if you could take a look at my posts/thoughts about the conversation between Jack and Crissy... and comment/give feedback if you can, I would greatly appreciate it. I'm eager to find out if I picked up on any of the things you were referring to in that scene.
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fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 09:23 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 More sounds from the scene where Jack was smashing the coffin. Toward the end of his coffin smashing session, the sound of the coffin smashing definitely sounds like the scrashing sound that the "monster"/security system makes... but I can also hear, behind all those smashing sounds... the sound of a scream/shreek... I'm not sure if it's a bird, a person... or almost sounds like one of those howler monkeys. Probably a bird though - but I do hear a scream/screech of some sort.Finally, immediately after that scene of Jack smashing the coffin, they briefly show a long shot of the island in the dark... so it's hard to see much.... but you can make out a mountain, palm trees... but most prominantly... a constellation in the sky. Now this HAS to have been brought up before, after the show first aired - but I can't remember. It looks like constellation "Cassiopeia". CassiopeiaCasseopeia is found next to the Big Dipper and Orion. Its shape is easy to remember, a neat W, or M, formed by 5 bright stars. Casseopeia is the mythological Queen of Ethiopia. http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/1364/Constellations.htmlI can only see 4 of the 5 stars on my TV screen... but my TV is so small that I think it cuts of the edges of the screen. Either way, the way the shot is of the constellation, the fifth star could easily be just off camera. It just seems like it has to be that constellation.CassiopeiaThe QueenCassiopeia was the beautiful wife of Cepheus, king of Ethiopia, and the mother of Andromeda. She is most famous in connection with the myth of her daughter, Andromeda. The queen made the mistake of bragging she was more lovely than the Nereids, or even than Juno herself. The goddesses were, needless to say, rather insulted, and went to Neptune, god of the sea, to complain. Neptune promptly sent a sea monster (possibly Cetus?) to ravage the coast. The king and queen were ordered to sacrifice their daughter to appease Neptune's wrath, and would have done so had Perseus not arrived to kill the monster in the nick of time. As a reward, the hero was wedded to the lovely Andromeda.By most accounts, Cassiopeia was quite happy with the match. In some versions of the myth, however, the queen objects to the marriage and is turned to stone when Perseus shows her the head of the Gorgon Medusa.Although she was placed in the heavens by Neptune, the sea-god saw fit to humiliate her one final time (and for all eternity). He placed her so that she is seated on her throne, with her head pointing towards the North Star Polaris. In this position, she spends half of every night upside-down.http://www.comfychair.org/~cmbell/myth/cassiopeia.htmlPosition in the SkyRight Ascension: 1 hour Declination: 60 degrees Visible between latitudes 90 and -20 degrees Best seen in November (at 9:00 PM)
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 09:32 AMby: Jerseylostfan (1257 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005 Me-I agree that there seems to be a parellel with Jack's relationship with his dad as well. Although Jack seemed to be resolved to a degree at the end of Walkabout, as far as coming terms with his dad goes, I think it was only after Sawyer told Jack, during Exodus I, about the conversation he had with Christian in Sydney that Jack was able to fully believe in himself. It was after that converation with Sawyer that he saved Locke... though I feel like he would have done it anyway. I agree. That was my favorite scene this season. I was yelling at the TV " Tell Him " , lol.
I have a question about the scene with Chrissy. Why doesn't Jack have the right paperwork with him.? Wouldn't he need papers from the coroner to take the body in the first place? Jack, the doctor, didn't know you would need to make arrangements with an airline before hand to transport a body? Hard to believe, even in his emotional state.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 01:21 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I have a question about the scene with Chrissy. Why doesn't Jack have the right paperwork with him.? Wouldn't he need papers from the coroner to take the body in the first place? Jack, the doctor, didn't know you would need to make arrangements with an airline before hand to transport a body? Hard to believe, even in his emotional state.Jersey, I was thinking/asking the same thing! Here is what I posted on page 1 - my thoughts about it (10th post up from the bottom of page 1 of Part 6 of this thread) -- I'm putting in bold the sentence that asks the same question as you did here, and then my thoughts about it follow:What I'm saying is, that "no latitude" was also a clue to the location of the Lost island.. double meaning (but NOT a conscious "clue" given by Crissy herself... but a clue placed in the show by the writers). As I said, if you think of what "no latitude" means literally... "no latitude" = 0 latitude = equator.Now, back to the original context... she tells Jack there is "no latitude" there - no wiggle room - for letting a body onboard without proper documentation. What is odd is... a big question to ask... WHY Jack wouldn't have the proper documentation? He must have known he'd need to have documentation - the medical examiner, folks who hooked him up with the coffin, someone must have told him that, if he didn't know already.Did he just TAKE the body and run? The coffin? Was the body ever IN the coffin in the first place? Is Jack so off his rocker that he took an empty coffin as symbolic of his dad? After all, he DID keep talking about a coffin... not a "body".We had been wondering if the airline pulled a fast one on him and put the coffin onboard without the body, but what if he never brought a coffin to them with a body in it?Or DID it have a body in it? Maybe it did - and if it made it on board, then did he convince Crissy to give him some latitude?
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We saw him with Ana Lucia in the bar right after he had that fit with Crissy, and he didn't seem as upset as he did at the counter... so did he feel they were going to put the coffin on the plane?fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 02:11 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 In doing a bit of research on Cassiopeia, since I think that's the constellation I saw in the very brief scene immediately after Jack was chopping up the coffin, I found information about a supernova called Cassiopeia A. This supernova was once thought to be a dead star, but now think it might be an "exotic magnetar"... which is one reason I'm sharing this. Here's the summary from one very recent USA Today article I found:Summary - (Jun 10, 2005) In 1572, astronomer Tycho Brahe witnessed the supernova that created the stellar remnant Cassiopeia A. All that remains from this powerful explosion is a cloud of debris expanding away from a neutron star. New images from NASA's Spitzer space telescope show that this neutron star isn't out of action yet, though, in fact, it might have fired out a blast of energy 50 years ago, which is now lighting up the surrounding material. This recent activity might mean that the neutron star is actually an exotic magnetar, which regularly release bursts of gamma rays.http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/spitzer_view_dead_star.htmlHere's what a magnetar is, from Wikipedia:A magnetar is a neutron star with an extremely strong magnetic field, the decay of which powers the emission of copious amounts of high-energy electromagnetic radiation, particularly X-rays and gamma-rays. The theory regarding these objects was formulated by Robert Duncan and Christopher Thompson in 1992. In the course of the decade that followed, the magnetar hypothesis has become widely accepted as a likely physical explanation for observable objects known as soft gamma repeaters and anomalous X-ray pulsars.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MagnetarI'm wondering if we were shown the constellation of Cassiopeia for several reasons. For one, to show they aren't in the southern hemisphere... they are at the equator, or above it (I think they're pretty much at the equator).... I would think that Cassiopeia could be used to show where the North Star is, since one star in the constellation lines up with Polaris... which could maybe help us figure out direction? And finally, perhaps the big one, that maybe the showed us Cassiopia to lead us to Cassiopeia A... a magnetar? Could that have anything to do with the strange magnetic properties of the island.Maybe this is where some of the "pseudo science" about the island's early, early days comes in.Ewwww.... read this from Wikipedia:Effects of superstrong magnetic fieldsA magnetic field above 10 gigateslas is strong enough to wipe a credit card from half the distance of the Moon from the Earth. A small neodymium based rare earth magnet has a field of about a tesla, Earth has a geomagnetic field of 30-60 microteslas, and most media used for data storage can be erased with a millitesla field.
The magnetic field of a magnetar would be lethal at a distance of up to 1000 km, by warping the atoms in living flesh.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 02:55 PMby: OneisLost (53 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004 Geez, I'm gone for a day and you guys have been all around the Mulberry bush! LOL Only on for a sec. Something else to question.Has anyone done any research on the Korean War and if anything was happening in the island area during that time? The McCain thing made me think of it. Mr. Piak would have been a young man then, maybe even old enough to be a soldier, maybe not. Could be another connection though.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 02:57 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Has anyone done any research on the Korean War and if anything was happening in the island area during that time? The McCain thing made me think of it. Mr. Piak would have been a young man then, maybe even old enough to be a soldier, maybe not. Could be another connection though.Howdy, One! I don't think I remeber anyone researching the Korean War yet. Good thought!
Cornage... if you read this, just want to let you know that I sent you an e-mail... so you can keep an eye out for it... if you have a chance. Thanks a bunch!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 04:12 PMby: Adawhen (2145 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 17, 2004 My troll is back and you're gonna be in troubleHey la de la, my troll is back!Will try to stop in later and comment, ME, and will get that email done today to!
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Page(s) 14 << [ 1 345 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 ] >> fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 04:38 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 My troll is back and you're gonna be in troubleHey la de la, my troll is back!Will try to stop in later and comment, ME, and will get that email done today to!Ada! GREAT to see you! You know, you crack me up! Always know how to make me smile (and I'm talking about the first sentence of your post, though the sentence made smile too).Thanks so much! You're the best!By the way (and this is to any readers of this thread, of course), I listened to the cave scene ONCE again and right before Jack sees the coffin, or right as he's looking at it (before opening it), I swear I can hear some faint metalic banging sound far off in the distance (or sounds far off in the distance).I can't see much of the wreckage and items laying about the cave area... except for a piece of the plane.... the dolls that weren't in the water, the boxes they came in, and a wodden crate that looks like it might have constained the boxes of dolls.... as well as some pieces of luggage strewn about.So, I'd say maybe that piece of the wreckage that's there was the cargo hold... since the coffin, a crate of dolls, and luggage was strewn throughout the area? The cargo hold door was what they were using later to almost lop off Boon'e leg in DNH.Now, where is the cargo hold in relation to the fuselage in and the tail section?Another observation - of the 18 remaining bottles of water, one was a red sports water bottle. Has to be something with that.Also, when Boone brought Claire some water, he brought 3 bottles. The hotel manager said that Christian hadn't used the bed in the past 3 days. So there are two more "3s".Oh, and as far as clues in the hotel room goes - there were 8 pill bottles;5 pill bottles on the dresser, 1 pill bottle in the drawer (along with 3 empty booze bottles - so yet another "3". At least I think there were three booze bottles - I saw three lables, but one I couldn't tell if it was attached to a clear bottle or not).... and...2 pill bottes on the desk, near his wallet.Wow - that guy was FULL of pills and booze! He sure WAS trying to kill himself! Though, no... the pill bottles weren't all empty. The bottles on the dresser were at least half full... but the one in the drawer looked completely empty (which is maybe why it was in the drawer, with the empty booze bottles).
Did Christian have a serious illness - something terminal? Is that why he was on all those meds?? Is that why he wanted to kill himself? Or was he simply self-prescribing, and depressed? Or both?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 05:08 PMby: Jerseylostfan (1257 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005 That's what I wanted to ask!!!!!! About the pills, I knew I would forget something. Jackie makes a note to write things down while watching the show.....
Why would anybody need all those pills? I don't know. More questions, lol.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 05:35 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Why would anybody need all those pills? I don't know. More questions, lol.Jersey... sadly, lots of people need to take that many pills... some, with serious illnesses, need to take even more...But yes... the question... WAS there something seriously wrong with Christian that we're not aware of - a serious illness that required that many meds.... even cancer? Heart disease? Did he have a physically, medical need to take all those meds... Or was he self-prescribing to feed an additiction?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 05:38 PMby: Jerseylostfan (1257 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005
He was either very sick, very suicidal or both. I'm glad you brought it up though 'cause it completely slipped my mind.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 05:39 PMby: 042078 (1620 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Maybe there was some sort of "miracle cure" (perhaps involving magnets?) in Australia that Christian was seeking?
Grasping at straws here...
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 05:53 PMby: Jerseylostfan (1257 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005
He didn't exactly look like he was trying to heal himself at the bar with Sawyer. Either there was no hope left or he gave up. He may have gone there originally to find a cure though.
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by: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>He didn't exactly look like he was trying to heal himself at the bar with Sawyer. Either there was no hope left or he gave up. He may have gone there originally to find a cure though.I agree that he didn't seem like he was there to try and cure himself... and that there was perhaps no or not much hope... and he gave up. Whe he was talking to Sawyer, as far as we know, he was stripped of his liscense to practice medicine (he even told Sawyer he "was" a surgeon... correcting himself after he said he "is" a surgeon), he thinks his son hates him... and all those pill bottles might mean that he has a very serious illness. Yes, looks like he was probably at the end of his rope....Interesting - Christian tells Jack that he can't be a leader... that he can't make the tough decisions because he can't handle it. However, Christian says that he is able to make the tough decisions himself because at the end of the day, he can come home and not let it affect him... he can handle it. But CANn he? Are all those decisions that he made in the course of his journey - all the decisions that affected his relationship with Jack, that Christian was so easily able to brush off at the time - getting to him at the end? Did he finally realize that if you make decisions, choices, then they affect you one way or another, whether it's now or later? Deciding to work more than spend time with your family... deciding to be hard on your kid to make them tough, rather than accept them as they are and hug them.... deciding to drink excessively instead of being mindful of your health... deciding to operate on patient rather than refraining for the sake of the patient...He told Jack that he couldn't make the tough decisions because he coudn't handle it when he failed. But, can Christian.... really? In the end?What did Hibbs say? "It'll come back around."
Btw, Jersey, I take notes while watching the show too! I finally started taking notes about mid-season... but take notes every time i rewatch too.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 06:20 PMby: Jerseylostfan (1257 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005 I agree Me. Christian critisizes Jack on his decision making skills yet really Jack makes the hardest decisions of all. Sticking up for a friend even when you know you'll be beat up.Sticking to a committment even when you're not sure it will work out ( wedding - not sure I agree there unless he really loved her )Turning in his Dad - I know some viewers looked at this as being a traitor but I agreed with Jack.
I thought also maybe Christian had a bad liver from all the drinking, hence the drugs. Just a guess.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 07:06 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Jersey... keep in mind though that Christian wasn't saying Jack never made decisions... but he was telling Jack that he SHOULDN'T make the tough decisions because when things didn't go right, Jack wan't able to let go of it at the end of the day. And Christian said he (himself) was able to. It's like when Jack made the decision to save Boone and not go after Joanne. That decision ate away at him... he felt like he should have saved her... and he didn't. Christian told Jack, something like, "You can't save everyone... because when you try and fail, because you will... you can't handle it." But there's no way Jack could have saved Boone and Joanne both - one would have died, so he would have felt he failed no matter what... instead of seeing that he saved one, instead of two people drowning. He saw Joanna's death as his failure because he was out there and tried... but failed. NO one else tried to save Joanne, except for Boone... and Boone failed... yet it becomes Jack's burden. This is what Christian was saying to Jack - and in many ways, he was very right about Jack. That is why, after that... when Hurley and Charlie were trying to get Jack make a decision about what to do with the water, Jack said he didn't want to be the one to make the decision.What I was saying about Christian was, at the end of his life, was Christian really let it go himself, or was it just festering away inside of him... all bitter? He couldn't even make the choice to call his son to tell him how proud he was of him, because, as he said to Sawyer, he's a coward.
You could be right about the bad liver - that's not a bad guess at all. Wouldn't that be interesting - Cooper with a bad kidney... Christian with a bad liver. Both drinkers. Both cold, distant fathers (though i have to say, Cooper was actually much worse than Christian - because I think Christian actually did really care about Jack, and did love him, in the only way he knew how).
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 07:23 PMby: Jerseylostfan (1257 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005 Hey ME, did you see this I bumped the thread for you.Hi Bourne! Are you a Ludlum fan? I am, but they killed Marie in the second movie?! Good gracious! Take about character assasination! Yipes!Anyway, look at last night's episode as a transformative myth. Here's what last night should have shown you (and please remember, this was your first real look at Jack! The Pilot was about survival, but this episode showed you the character.Jack is, by nature, a hero, but a hero who has turned his back at the threshold.WHOA!Stop throwing tomatoes, and let the singer sing! You western crowds are rough!You are shown a character in crisis. Jack is about to crack like Humpty Dumpty when the plane goes down. That's all I'm gonna say on that for now! But he is at his lowest moment.This show gave you a Jack Manual, if you paid attention!1-Opening scene was Jack on the ground, already beaten, and being told by his beaters that if he stayed down and out of what they were planning for scared little Silverman, they would leave Jack alone. Jack gets up anyway. Says it all. No need to explain further, except to point out that this is the first example of Jack's "letting go" issue, because 20 years later, Silverman is still in his life.2-His father's position and where he appears is very important. It's symbolic of of the relationship, distant, removed, cut off. Where he occurs in the show for the first time ties in with Jack's failures.
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3-Jack's reactions to when his father turns to face him, when Jack falls, and how he gets to the caves are important. fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>4-You know Jack wanted to bury his father and be done with the whole thing, because that was stressed in the airport scene with Chrissy. But when Jack finds the coffin, he feels that his father has led him there, that Locke might be right, and that there is more.Jack has a moment of epiphany. Because in his moment of need, his father has come back to him, to allow Jack to move on. Locke said there was more, and to trust that he was seeing what couldn't be there. He was seeing his father, and his father understoond that Jack was sorry. That he loved him. That all those things they didn't say in the final two months were understood.At the caves, he finds his father's coffin, and Jack believes.But the coffin is empty. And faith crumbles as Jack tears the coffin apart. There is nothing more. There is no forgiveness, no hereafter. It was all a mirage from a tired man's mind, and his father will never know.Never. Know. Jack is left with nothing, and he destroys the coffin in his grief.Does that help?It's the Jack and the coffin thread, sorry and the quote is from Hervieu.http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=450279&forumStart=0Message was edited by: Jerseylostfan who's sorry it took so long to fix. I was away from the computer.Message was edited by: Jerseylostfan
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 07:32 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Jersey, was that all from you - your post... or were you posting someone else's post? I'm a bit confused...Ok... I just found the thread where you found that post, Jersey... it's from hervieu... in this thread:http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=450279&forumStart=0I thought it sounded like her! Could you do us a favor and edit your post to say that it's from hervieu? That will prevent confusion when other readers come in. Also, if you can, putting anyone else's posts that you repost in italics helps too... helps differentiate your own writing from someone else's that you're reposting. And, if possible, it's helpful to include the link to the thread where you found it.Thanks for reposting it here though... nice to not miss it!
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 07:35 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
george! let go of my post!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 08:15 PMby: Jerseylostfan (1257 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005 ME - He saw Joanna's death as his failure because he was out there and tried... but failed. NO one else tried to save Joanne, except for Boone... and Boone failed... yet it becomes Jack's burden.I know, everyone at my house said can't anyone else swim?! They were shocked that nobody else tried to help. I must be doing something right, lol. I felt bad for Jack and Boone.Sorry I took so long to respond. I got two diff. phone calls. One last thing about the kidney/liver thing. JJ used a "needs a kidney from an estranged son" storyline in Felicity. My daughter was a huge fan of the show and we all ended up watching it. I think JJ ( and the writers ) like to borrow little tidbits here and there from all sorts of places. I can't believe nobody in my family kicked me off the computer all night. Wow. Thank you for welcoming me so nicely by the way. I remember when you brought the meteor thing here and I thought "wow, I'm quoted in the Episodes thread ". I appreciate it.
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jun 30 @ 08:28 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I remember when you brought the meteor thing here and I thought "wow, I'm quoted in the Episodes thread ". I appreciate it.JOh, yes, Jersey! I remember that too! That was a GREAT find - fabulous research (and who knew your former roommates research paper topic would pay off on Lost message board years later?)! I wanted to be sure others here saw your post, and find, because I knew they'd be interested - and wanted to be sure that you got credit! You deserved it!
I'm off to bed! Have a great night (I'll check back in the morning to see what I missed).
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Good night. He was actually an ex-boyfriend, lol. I helped him find material at the libes at college. long, long ago..
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Posted: Jul 01 @ 04:28 AMby: Sointuit (519 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 04, 2005 Good Morning Me, NJ, everyone.I asked about the "white sneakers" and a few threads talk about it. ME, you detailed Jack's arrival at the water/coffin site. I rewatched at some point and noticed just as he gets there and has the torch and has it lead his way, the camera pans to a rock or something on the right upper screen. Looks like a pair of "white shoes" neatly placed on top of the rock, or pile. Can you confirm?
Thanks for all the information folks. Good reading and good clues.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 01 @ 07:44 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I rewatched at some point and noticed just as he gets there and has the torch and has it lead his way, the camera pans to a rock or something on the right upper screen. Looks like a pair of "white shoes" neatly placed on top of the rock, or pile. Can you confirm?
Soin, I'll go look and see what I can see. Unfortunately my TV is pretty small, and I don't have cable, so my video isn't super (though not terrible)... so I miss some of the finer detail, especially in very low lit scenes... but I'll take a look.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 01 @ 09:22 AMby: jbbrennan (6 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005 All this talk about Christian, Jack and the coffin reminded me of something Sayid and Kate said at the camp fire in TR (not really reminded me, I just watched it last night because I'm still trying to catch up) which is :Sayid: ...And hope is a very dangerous thing to lose.Kate: So we lie.The way they said it made it almost sound like a single sentence.Could Jack have already lost all hope of finding his father (either physically or emotionally) so he allowed himself to bring an empty coffin back?Like I said, I'm still a few episodes back but in White Rabbit everyone says the foreshadowing scene is when Locke pulls Jack up from the cliff's edge...I think Jack finding the coffin empy (and his reaction to it) is DEFINITELY foreshadowing on what Locke is going to find now that his hatch is open.
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 01 @ 09:51 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Like I said, I'm still a few episodes back but in White Rabbit everyone says the foreshadowing scene is when Locke pulls Jack up from the cliff's edge...I think Jack finding the coffin empy (and his reaction to it) is DEFINITELY foreshadowing on what Locke is going to find now that his hatch is open.--jasmineJasmine, I'm not sure if I know what you mean about everyone saying that the forshadowing scene is when Locke pulls Jack up from the cliff's edge... I mean, I know there's a reverse parellel between that scene and the scene in the finale where Jack pulls Locke up out of the hole. Interesting how both almost seem like helping a baby from the womb... a rebirth. We see that in Moth too when Jack gets stuck in the cave, though there I think it's Charlie's rebirth.Anyway, yes... I guess that scene with Locke pulling Jack from the edge is a reverse foreshadowing... but I definitely don't think it's the only foreshadowing scene in that episode. There is so much symbolism in that episode.
And yes, I absolutely agree with you, jas... that scene with Jack's reaction to the empty coffin is a direct parallel to Locke's reaction to the hatch. I posted something along this train of thought last night - was that here in this thread? I was posting in several last night, so might have been another... but if it was, I'll bring it here as well (I like to make sure most of my best thoughts are here - and, well, some of my not-so-best thoughts too!).
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 01 @ 10:04 AMby: Jerseylostfan (1257 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 08, 2005 Hey ME and everyone,A clue was left in the girls like you thread if you want to check it out.http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=450370&forumStart=0
I think it's on page three. Enjoy! oh and Happy 4th weekend!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 01 @ 01:38 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Thanks, Jersey!bumping for A.!
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 01 @ 05:41 PMby: lainersss (723 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 08, 2004
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Thanks, Lain!
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by: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>cac, I just saw that you posted in another thread last night, but didn't come here and post??! Awwww... now that just hurts.Ok, just kidding - SORT OF. Seriously though, gal... if you're going to complain about not being able to be on much lately, come do it here! We miss you! Hope you've been well, and are having a great vacation!Ada, still hoping that you'll come back and look at those posts of mine (the ones I mentioned), and respond if you can.Happy Saturday, everyone!bumping!
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 02 @ 11:31 PMby: Adawhen (2145 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 17, 2004 Hey ME!I'm sorry! Blame my bad reading skills! I couldn't find a question?!I saw several come up, but you all seemed to settle them amongst yourself.I just read the last couple of pages again, and ME? I am STILL missing it!I will check this page tomorrow after the latest crop circle movement that I call a vacation, and see if I can spot it!
Again, very sorry!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 03 @ 06:41 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005
george, let go of Ada's post!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 03 @ 07:02 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Hi Ada!Wow - I'm so sorry! I thought my questions were a lot more clear! I actually made sure that I made a point to ask what i thought were direct questions, but I guess I fell short there! I'll repost my posts below with the questions (9 of them!) hightlighted... and hope that helps:Several things about that scene between Crissy (airline person behind the counter), and Jack. I did post this on the Episode Titles thread, after the epi. aired the second time, but didn't get much of a response from it:Chrissy (Agent): I'm sorry Mr. Shepard, but out policy is that the body must have the proper documentation. There's just no latitude.Jack: No latitude? No latitude?I put "no latitude" in bold myself. I thought this was significant, and might be a clue to the location of the island... no latitude = zero latitude = equator1. Ada, am I right? Is the line "no latitude" and repetition of "no latitude" a clue to "0 latitude"? Is this a clue that the Lost island is at or very near the equator?2. Ada, is the airline agents name, Crissy, a nod to Jack's dad, Christian? When Jack is talking to her, IS he talking to his dad?He says to her, "Look you can't do this to me. I'm ready to go now." She's doing something to HIM... he needs this for himself... to let go of the burden of living up to his father.From Ada's list: 13. The scene at the caves has a great deal of symbolism, audio, visual, and thematic. Make note of the different things that Jack finds, and what the place means for the survival of the group in general. Then make a brief list of what Jack hears and see in that scene. Just build the list and see if it take you anywhere.Just a few things I noted.... I heard the water falling (from the waterfall), a cricket-ish chirping sound... And then when Jack is smashing the daylight out of that coffin - listen to it without watching the screen!! What do you hear? It's the EXACT same sound as the "security system" stomping, crashing sound!3. Ada, am I on to something here? Is the sound made by Jack smashing the coffin the same sound as one of the "monster" sounds - the big smashing/crashing sound?Toward the end of his coffin smashing session, I can also hear, behind all those smashing sounds... the sound of a scream/shreek... I'm not sure if it's a bird, a person... or almost sounds like one of those howler monkeys. Probably a bird though - but I do hear a scream/screech of some sort.4. Ada, is there a screech or scream in the background when he's smashing the coffin?5. Also, right as he sees the coffin and walks over to it, I can hear a very faint/distant banging sound... almost like someone banging on metal. Ada, am I correct - is there a banging background sound way off in the distance in that scene?Finally, immediately after that scene of Jack smashing the coffin, they briefly show a long shot of the island in the dark... so it's hard to see much.... but you can make out a mountain, palm trees... but most prominantly... a constellation in the sky. It looks like constellation "Cassiopeia". 6. Ada, am I correct - is that Cassiopeia that we are shown in that scene?7. Ada, was one of the reasons we are shown Cassiopeia is to lead us to Cassiopeia A... the super nova that is believed to be a magnetar... a super magnetized star? Does a magnetar have anything to do with the island?Also, I found out that Cassiopeia is a northern hemisphere constellation. 8.Does this mean it can not be seen in the southern hemisphere at all.... or just in areas near or on the equator, and north of the equator?
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9. One last question - did Christian's body actually make it onto the plane? I'm guessing it did, but wanted to know for sure.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Sorry for all the questions, but they add up! Thanks so much in advance for answering whatever you're able!Happy travels!bumping...
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 03 @ 10:10 AMby: Adawhen (2145 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 17, 2004 Hey ME!We're all getting gussied up to go somewhere, but P says I have a minute to answer these, so here goes!It wasn't YOU who was unclear! It's me! We've noticed a problem this last week with my short-term memory, which every one is hoping is just a passing thing! I could tell from your post above that I was missing the questions, I just couldn't for the life of me spot which ones were answered by yourselves and which you needed me to look at. Again, all MY FAULT! Thanks so much for putting them in a single post for me!1. Ada, am I right? Is the line "no latitude" and repetition of "no latitude" a clue to "0 latitude"? Is this a clue that the Lost island is at or very near the equator?It's a clue. I can't go further than that, though, ME. But yes, that was a clue.2. Ada, is the airline agents name, Crissy, a nod to Jack's dad, Christian? When Jack is talking to her, IS he talking to his dad?That was a nod to something, because the writers are GEEKS, but it was a TV history nod, not something to do with the show. Some of the names, if you watch, are nods at past shows that were influences on the writers. From Ada's list: 13. The scene at the caves has a great deal of symbolism, audio, visual, and thematic. Make note of the different things that Jack finds, and what the place means for the survival of the group in general. Then make a brief list of what Jack hears and see in that scene. Just build the list and see if it take you anywhere.Just a few things I noted.... I heard the water falling (from the waterfall), a cricket-ish chirping sound... And then when Jack is smashing the daylight out of that coffin - listen to it without watching the screen!! What do you hear? It's the EXACT same sound as the "security system" stomping, crashing sound!3. Ada, am I on to something here? Is the sound made by Jack smashing the coffin the same sound as one of the "monster" sounds - the big smashing/crashing sound?Audio clues do occur in that scene. The audios are being layered in to tie in with certain on-going reccurent things. You have heard the same noises in other episodes, and eventually, you'll begin to see a pattern to them.4. Ada, is there a screech or scream in the background when he's smashing the coffin? Yes, but it there for effect.5. Also, right as he sees the coffin and walks over to it, I can hear a very faint/distant banging sound... almost like someone banging on metal. Ada, am I correct - is there a banging background sound way off in the distance in that scene?You know, ME, that one I'm not sure of! I'm meeting someone for lunch who probably would know, so let me ask and get back to you on that one this evening!Finally, immediately after that scene of Jack smashing the coffin, they briefly show a long shot of the island in the dark... so it's hard to see much.... but you can make out a mountain, palm trees... but most prominantly... a constellation in the sky. It looks like constellation "Cassiopeia".6. Ada, am I correct - is that Cassiopeia that we are shown in that scene?The constellations are there for a reason, and it does tie in with the overall island mystery.7. Ada, was one of the reasons we are shown Cassiopeia is to lead us to Cassiopeia A... the super nova that is believed to be a magnetar... a super magnetized star? Does a magnetar have anything to do with the island?Also, I found out that Cassiopeia is a northern hemisphere constellation. Well, I can't dodge this one, can I? ME, it's not Cassiopeia. Did you look at the tape, or the screen caps? If it was screen caps, the shots aren't very good. ABC and the producers are talking about setting up the promo shots together this coming year (In the past, the network has been the one to choose and release promo shots. What the producers are pushing for this year is that they would do the promos or at least give the list of what could or should be used for photo release before air date. That way, visual clues that you are getting would be assured of having the best photo capture version in release), and that should improve what you have to work with! 8.Does this mean it can not be seen in the southern hemisphere at all.... or just in areas near or on the equator, and north of the equator?You've been shown constellations from both northern and southern hemispheres.9. One last question - did Christian's body actually make it onto the plane? I'm guessing it did, but wanted to know for sure.His body WAS on the plane. The seals broke on impact, and come the wet season, his body may yet fall out of a bush.Sorry. I couldn't resist.Christian's body was on the plane. I'm hoping this post settles that one, ME, so thanks for asking! I've posted about 100 times on that one, and I can't seem to get through to some of the ghost lovers! Thanks for the chance to try again!
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by: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Well, I can't dodge this one, can I? ME, it's not Cassiopeia. Did you look at the tape, or the screen caps?No, it wasn't the screen cap... it was the video that I was looking at when I saw the constellation.Again, the constellation I'm referring to, in the very brief scene (maybe a few seconds long) immediately after Jack is beating the coffin. I'm not even sure if I ever saw a screen cap of the constellation. I feel like the first time I saw it was after watching the video a few times.So, it's NOT Cassiopeia? D'oh! I'll have to go back and look again then... and then take another look at the constellations online.Well, my TV is a little 13" screen... and I don't have cable, so the clarity I get from my rabbit ears isn't the most stellar... so maybe that has something to do with it too. Hmmmm.... I'll have to go back and look again.Hey, thanks for asking your lunch friend about the repeated banging sound off in the distance, right as Jack sees the coffin, right before he starts banging it.And Ada, I made my questions MUCH more specific and detailed in the last post - I think they were way to vague before, so please don't think it's all you. You said that I might have seemed like I didn't need help and had it all figured out, but I was wrong about Cassiopeia, right? At least right about the existence of a constellation, but wrong about Cassiopeia.Anyway, you're a huge help, a doll... and I thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions!
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 03 @ 11:00 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Ok, Ada... I just rewatched and now I see... the constellation in that scene is the Big Dipper then? Or I guess I should be asking... IS the constellation in that scene... the very brief scene directly after we see Jack smashing the coffin, the Big Dipper?I didn't notice the 4th star making up the cup the previous times I watched, as that star is a bit fainter than the others (and with my slightly fuzzy reception, looked like just another spot of fuzz at first glance).It almost looks like the Big Dipper in reverse though - can that be?
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Page(s) 14 << [ 1 456 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 ] >> fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 03 @ 12:46 PMby: chelle309 (41 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Very cool info flowing here! A couple of things I thought of regarding constellations, and forgive me if this has been brought up.(1) The constellations that are easily seen in BOTH hemispheres are those named for the Zodiac. (2) A group of satellites is called a constellation, and most that I've read about (GPS, communications) are positioned above the equator. I can't remember, but I think military types were included in this.Besides the "no latitude" line, I thought the King's Cross reference (the neighborhood where Christian died) seemed significant. Cross has come up before.
Of course I'm fond of the island being at the intersection of the equator and the international dateline. That is...if it isn't moving.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 03 @ 02:30 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 (1) The constellations that are easily seen in BOTH hemispheres are those named for the Zodiac. Besides the "no latitude" line, I thought the King's Cross reference (the neighborhood where Christian died) seemed significant. Cross has come up before.Of course I'm fond of the island being at the intersection of the equator and the international dateline. That is...if it isn't moving.Thanks for your thoughts and input, chelle! I didn't know that the constellations most easily seen in both hemispheres are those named for the Zodiac. I think that's significant.I picked up on the King's Cross location too - though have to admit, only after the third watching of the episode! There's always so much to see, and even more to miss! I agree that it seems significant and was on my list of things to look into. Please post if you have any more thoughts on that.As you (and others) probably know, I've been fond of the island being at the equator and IDL intersection too.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 03 @ 02:57 PMby: chelle309 (41 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 As you (and others) probably know, I've been fond of the island being at the equator and IDL intersection too.I DIDN'T know, but I'm happy to hear it! I love that idea.One site I was reading about constellations in that area listed Gemini first. Go figure!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 03 @ 03:05 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 As you (and others) probably know, I've been fond of the island being at the equator and IDL intersection too.I DIDN'T know, but I'm happy to hear it! I love that idea.One site I was reading about constellations in that area listed Gemini first. Go figure!Yes, I've been holding on strong to the equator and IDL intersection idea for quite a while.We'll see, I guess!That's interesting about Gemini. I was actually looking at Gemini to see if it's the constellation I'm seeing in White Rabbit, and I can't see how it could be that constellation.If the constellation isn't the Big Dipper, I'm thinking it could possibly be port of the constellation "Cancer" - the Crab. That box type shape in the middle of the crab, consisting of 4 stars, is similar to that of the cup of the big dipper. The only problem I have with it being the Big Dipper is that the star that looks like it would be the start of the handle is on the wrong side.It would be interesting if it is Cancer - the Crab... because... remember that there is a bay on Danielle's maps that she calls "The Bay of Crabs" or "Crab Bay"? I found this description:Cancer, the Crab, sprawls across the picture. The most prominent part of the constellation is the distorted box near center that makes the asterism "The Manger," which encloses the obvious Beehive, or Praesepe, cluster. The whole "manger' thing is interesitng, as well as it encloses the "beehive". Remember the bees hive that Charlie steps on? I think that's in the Moth... next episode.I'm still not quite sure which constellation it is though...
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 03 @ 03:48 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Ok, here's yet another possibility for the constellation I might be seeing in that extremely brief scene right after the scene with Jack smashing the coffin.. it might be the constellation "The Hare":http://www.dibonsmith.com/lep_con.gifWhat I'm seeing is the boxy shape in the middle... with the one star off to the right.Lepus, "The Hare", is an ancient constellation found under the feet of Orion, the Hunter. No one seems to know just which culture first saw the constellation as an animal; the Arabs saw it as the "throne of the central one" (i.e. Orion). Lepus is often ignored, as Orion is such a dominating constellation. Yet Lepus contains a number of interesting objects. Its Bayer stars are generally third and fourth magnitude. Transit Date of principal star: 14 December
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We know that Orion is significant to Lost... and The Hare being in the "White Rabbit" episode? And the Hare is found under the feet of Orion... Locke is dominant over Jack in that episode? And Jack still feels he's under his father's feet as well?fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 03 @ 04:05 PMby: chelle309 (41 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 ME, here's what it said about Lepus on Wikipedia:Lepus (Latin for Hare) is a constellation, lying just south of Orion, and possibly representing a hare being chased by him.
Interesting about the Bay of Crabs. There's also a constellation called Crater, I believe. I should go look into that.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 03 @ 04:10 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Info about Kings Cross, New South Wales, Australia:Kings Cross is a former suburb that is now an inner-city locality of Sydney.It is also the site of an underground railway station on the Eastern Suburbs Line. Sydneysiders often refer to it using the affectionate colloquialism "the Cross".Kings Cross is located approximately 1.5 kilometres east of the centre of Sydney and consists chiefly of a retail and entertainment precinct extending approximately 100 metres along both sides of Darlinghurst Road. The area is encompassed within the suburbs of Potts Point and Elizabeth Bay, which have both been administered by the Sydney City Council since March, 2004.During early 19th century the Kings Cross-Potts Point area was one of Sydney's most prestigious suburbs, far enough to escape the noise and smell of the central city but close enough for easy travel, with the additional attraction of commanding harbour views to the east and north and (from some points) views to the west as far as the Blue Mountains.In the early 1800s the Governor of NSW granted several large estates to favoured subordinates and leading businessmen. They built a series of grandiose mansions with sprawling gardens of up to ten acres (40,000 m?). The remnants of these gardens helped give the area of its leafy character, and many of the mansions are commemorated in street names, such as Kellett Street.Regrettably, most of the grand estates were eventually subdivided and all but a handful of the great houses were demolished. One of the fortunate survivors is Elizabeth Bay House, one of the finest examples of Australian colonial architecture.Known as Queen's Cross until the early 20th century, it was renamed King's Cross after Edward VII of the United Kingdom. The "cross" is a reference to the major intersection formed by William Street and Darlinghurst Road, which forms the locality's southernmost limit.The Kings Cross district was Sydney's bohemian heartland from the early decades of the 20th Century. From the 1960s onwards it also came to serve as both the city's main tourism accommodation and entertainment mecca, as well as its red light district?thereby achieving a high level of notoriety out of all proportion to its limited geographical extent.The area boomed during the late 1960s, with hundreds of American servicemen on R&R leave flocking to the area each week in search of entertainment. Organised crime was well entrenched in the area, as was police corruption?one of Sydney's most notorious illegal casinos operated with impunity for many years, although it was known to all and located only yards from Darlinghurst police station. This inevitably led to a rise in crime, vice and corruption, and a massive increase in the influx and use of heroin, much of which was initially brought in by American servicemen in the pay of drug rings.During the late 1970s and Eighties, drug-related crime was one of the area's main social problems, and this led to the controversial establishment of Australia's first legal drug injecting room (where users of illegal drugs can inject themselves in clean conditions without harassment) at a shopfront site near Kings Cross railway station in May, 2001. The injecting room is credited with saving the lives of some 1000 injecting drug users who have overdosed at the facility since its inception.Since the turn of the century Kings Cross has witnessed a large number of real estate developments?both refurbishments of historic apartment buildings, and the construction of new ones?and this has resulted in demographic changes that are significantly altering the character of the area.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kings_Cross%2C_New_South_WalesCould Christian have been in the service and stationed in that area in the 60's too... even late 60's? Could he have hung out and partied in Kings Cross, and fathered a child there? Is that why he went back there?
Could he be the Christian be the father of Claire, or the father of her baby (what's his name again?)?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 03 @ 05:40 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 There's also a constellation called Crater, I believe. I should go look into that.Yes! There IS a constellation call the crater!
The crater is one of the constellations that I think appears in one of the images on Walt's life jacket in the finale! It's in the image on Walt's right shoulder....
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 03 @ 05:59 PMby: chelle309 (41 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 I'll have to go look at the screen caps of the life vest. That's exciting! When I was looking at info on constellations, I came across this: In astronomy, there is an area actually called The Sea. Here's what it says:The Sea is the name early greeks, and many later astronomers, gave to an area of the sky in which many water-related, and very few land-related, constellations occur.Gives a whole new meaning to La Mer. That was on the Wikipedia page where I read about The Crater constellation, by the way.
As far as Christian, I have NO idea. My first guess would be military. But why did he go THERE? Australia is a hell of a long way to go to kill yourself.
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fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 03 @ 06:38 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 As far as Christian, I have NO idea. My first guess would be military. But why did he go THERE? Australia is a hell of a long way to go to kill yourself.Maybe something happened to him there when he was in the military that he saw is when his life really changed, or ended.Or like I said, maybe he fathered another child there and wanted to find that child before he died. People often tie up loose ends before they die... make amends. Though, it's not like he made amends with Jack before he died.It's interesting - Jack asked, "Who doesn't take their wallet?" Someone suicidal wouldn't take their wallet. Well, someone too drunk to remember to take it, I guess.. which Jack should have realized. But also someone suicidal.Another interesting thing - Christian hadn't slept in his bed in 3 days - so had been gone for 3 days...How long does it take to fly from the US to Australia? Anyone? I know some of you have made the trip....So, did Jack's mother call Christian and tell him that Jack was on his way to get him... 3 days ago? Was he so ashamed to face his son that he wanted to make sure he was dead before his son arrived?
Btw, chelle.. I'm glad to see someone else is on this board is talking about Lost tonight!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 03 @ 06:54 PMby: chelle309 (41 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Btw, chelle.. I'm glad to see someone else is on this board is talking about Lost tonight! Hard to believe, huh? Right back at ya!Maybe something happened to him there when he was in the military that he saw is when his life really changed, or ended.Going back to the scene of the "crime"? Sometimes people who kill themselves due to guilt will go to where they think it originated.Maybe he was actually trying to change something, or rectify a situation he felt was still within his reach, only to find out he was powerless. Only then did he go ahead with it.As angry as his wife seemed about him going there, I wouldn't doubt if she knew or suspected another woman.
By the way, where was the obligatory question, "Australia, why would Dad go to Australia?" Are we supposed to ascertain from this that the family was already aware there was a connection?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 03 @ 07:01 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 By the way, where was the obligatory question, "Australia, why would Dad go to Australia?" Are we supposed to ascertain from this that the family was already aware there was a connection?Yeah, I know what you mean. There was no, "Australia? What the hell?"Christian stayed in a hotel, so if they had relatives there, he wasn't staying with them. And if they had relatives there, Jack would have checked with them before saying to himself, "Where are you?"I guess the whole Kings Cross info, and about how it was the little corruption den for that area from the 60's onward.. and a spot US solders used to flock to when in port... getting involved in and even contributing to the corruption... I guess that's why I wonder if Christian got involved with a woman there and father's another child. Maybe he wanted to resolve things with that woman before killing himself, and even that other child.However, maybe when he heard Jack was on his way, he decided to skip it and just kill himself. Or maybe he DID see the woman before he killed himself.Hmmmm....
I think you're right in that Jack's mom might be aware of another woman, and that's why she so urgently wanted Jack to go get him (after all, why wouldn't she go herself? She IS Christian's wife!).
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 03 @ 07:20 PMby: chelle309 (41 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Would it be out of turn to ask A about this? Specifically,(1) Was Christian in Australia because of a connection from his past?(2) Is Jack related in anyway to that connection?(3) Was Christian going there in order to get Jack to follow?Can't hurt to ask, right?Mrs. Jack's Dad seemed to be carrying SO much resentment. And I mean towards Jack. Was it all because he'd destroyed the image of their perfect life, or did it go deeper than that? It sure didn't seem like she was concerned about her son. If your child had had some sort of emotional breakdown, which we're assuming Jack did, wouldn't you be a little more nurturing? She's putting all the blame on him, when her husband is clearly very flawed.
Maybe she's not Jack's biological mother.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 03 @ 07:24 PMby: Sointuit (519 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 04, 2005 Maybe she's not Jack's biological mother.
I wondered that, and if Christian is Jack's biological father. One or both parents out of the pic seems to apply to all of them.
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fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 03 @ 07:42 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Maybe she's not Jack's biological mother. I wondered that, and if Christian is Jack's biological father. One or both parents out of the pic seems to apply to all of them.This has been brought up before - I think after that episode first aired, and then again the second time... and I wondered it myself.Keep in mind though, as I posted on the "What did Jack's mother mean" thread, that this was the family of an alcoholic. The unspoken "code" was probably to cover and don't tell. Jack broke the code when he didn't lie about his father's negligence during surgery that resulted in a patient's death. As the wife of an alcoholic, and someone who spent years enabling him, she was furious with Jack that he broke the "rules" - and Jack has carried an enormous amount of guilt because of it as well... even though he did do the right thing. Then there's the question - what is more "right" - doing what is legally and ethically "right" by your profession, or what is "right" in terms of loyalty to your family? Jack feels strongly about both, but had to make a choice... the "tough decisions" as his dad would say. And just like his dad told Jack as a kid, he isn't able to make the tough decisions because he can't deal with the outcome. Jack can't simply make the decision and then wash his hands of it and move on.Anyway, with all that said, it still very well could be that she's not Jack's biological mother. For all we know, when she said, "After what you did to your father", she could have unconsciously been speaking of being born - Jack being the result of an affair... even though, of course, that wouldn't be Jack's fault. Was his mother a prostitute? Or some poor townie who lived in Kings Cross who Christian hooked up with while on leave? She didnt' want Jack, so he took Jack, and he and his wife raised him... and Jack never knew? Another case of "raised by another". Chelle, I had NO idea what you meant by "Mrs. Jack's Dad" at first! Took me a minute to figure out, "Oh, Jack's mom!"And I think it would be perfectly fine to ask Ada those quesitons. She'll answer as much as she can, I'm sure... and if she's unable to, she'll say so. She might not be able to answer all of it, that's all. I imagine the "why" Christian was in Australia will be in an upcoming FB, so she probably can't answer too specifically... but like I said, she'll probably answer as much as she can without spilling the beans or getting her fingers slapped.Soin, nice seeing you hear this evening!bumpin' to the top!
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 10:17 AMby: Adawhen (2145 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 17, 2004 Hey Guys!I can't promise how soon you'll get the reveal on this, because the first three shows, which had been approved, just went back into rewrite! It will be next week or the week after before anything definitive is set in stone. Don't think that this is a weakness in writing or plot, because this is how the work ebbs and flows! It's one of the reasons everyone agreed "NO LEAKS" until GS/BR is back in full production. Often, scripts, even approved ones, are retooled up to and into shooting, so that the viewer is assured of the biggest bang for their buck!Anway, lets see what we can answer!(1) Was Christian in Australia because of a connection from his past?Yes(2) Is Jack related in anyway to that connection?Yes(3) Was Christian going there in order to get Jack to follow?No
Well that was short and sweet!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 10:23 AMby: jbbrennan (6 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005 Ada, is the airline agents name, Crissy, a nod to Jack's dad, Christian? When Jack is talking to her, IS he talking to his dad?That was a nod to something, because the writers are GEEKS, but it was a TV history nod, not something to do with the showAck! A Three's Company nod?????
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 10:37 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Hey Guys!I can't promise how soon you'll get the reveal on this, because the first three shows, which had been approved, just went back into rewrite! It will be next week or the week after before anything definitive is set in stone. Don't think that this is a weakness in writing or plot, because this is how the work ebbs and flows! It's one of the reasons everyone agreed "NO LEAKS" until GS/BR is back in full production. Often, scripts, even approved ones, are retooled up to and into shooting, so that the viewer is assured of the biggest bang for their buck!Ada, I LOVE hearing about the process - this stuff absolutely fascinates me! And makes so much sense too!So, what is "GS/BR?"You're "short and sweet" answers did the trick! Perfect! I've gone back to the drawing board to figure out that one constellation shown immediately after the scene where Jack smashes the coffin (right before commercial)...You said it wasn't Cassiopeia... so then I saw a star I didn't see the first 5 times... and thought then it's the Big Dipper... except the handle is on the wrong side.So now I'm thinking it's Cancer (the Crab), or the Hare?Ada, is that constellation Cancer? Or is it the Hare?
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Posted: Jul 04 @ 10:41 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Ack! A Three's Company nod?????jj, that's the only thing I could think of too!! And I think I let out an "Ack!" too!I kept thinking to myself, even this morning, surely it can't be THAT! But, you've got Jack and Crissy. But still..Oh, don't get me wrong - I grew up on Three's Company.... well... after a few seasons. When it first start airing I had to go to bed because I was "too young" for the inuendos. Lord, compared to what's on TV now... that's a laugh.
Anyway, could it really have been a nod to Threes Company? It's not sci-fi... but... maybe?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 11:09 AMby: marbalbc (817 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 04, 2004 Interesting site re the astrological signs. A pic and brief description of each signie: Scorpio was sent to kill Orion, Sagitarrius was sent to kill Scorpio, Gemini the twins were brothers of Helen of Troy....any relevance, I wonder?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 11:53 AMby: chelle309 (41 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Thanks, Ada! I'm slapping myself because I forgot one question. And that is...Does the connection have anything to do with the military?Wow, this has set my mind reeling with possibilities. There's got to be something about Jack's blood. Bloodlines? For some reason, I get the feeling this is where the significance of the "heart" references comes in. Heart and Soul.
HEY!!! Why didn't we see his mother at his wedding? He was worried his dad wouldn't come, but I don't remember seeing his mother. Was she there?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 11:54 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Interesting site re the astrological signs. A pic and brief description of each signie: Scorpio was sent to kill Orion, Sagitarrius was sent to kill Scorpio, Gemini the twins were brothers of Helen of Troy....any relevance, I wonder?http://astronomyonline.org/MathematicsPhysics/Zodiac.asp?Cate=MathematicsPhysics&SubCate=MP08&SubCate2=MP0804marl, that link doesn't seem to work - doesn't lead to a page.
That's intereting info about Scorpio, Sagitarrius and Gemini. Did you read in posts here about how the Hare is under Orion's feet?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 12:02 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 HEY!!! Why didn't we see his mother at his wedding? He was worried his dad wouldn't come, but I don't remember seeing his mother. Was she there?
chelle, this was brought up before in a number of threads. It seemed like no one could spot his mother at his wedding, which led us to speculate that she's a step mother... maybe Christian wasn't married to her at the time. However, it would be very odd then for Jack to refer to her as "mom"... if she married Christian AFTER Jack was a grown man and married himself. So, seems like maybe she is his mother... but then of curse, again... why wasn't she at his wedding (or was she and we just didn't see her?)
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 12:16 PMby: chelle309 (41 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Wouldn't the mother have come with the father? He flew, right? And it was clearly important to Jack that he be there.Maybe we weren't too far off in sensing major resentment toward Jack coming from the mother. If she IS his mother.
OMG, maybe his true parentage came out after he testified against his father. One more thing that sent him over the edge.
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Posted: Jul 04 @ 12:59 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Wouldn't the mother have come with the father? He flew, right? And it was clearly important to Jack that he be there.Maybe we weren't too far off in sensing major resentment toward Jack coming from the mother. If she IS his mother. OMG, maybe his true parentage came out after he testified against his father. One more thing that sent him over the edge.Ok, I just watched those FB scenes from Do No Harm again...It's true in that Christian flew in alone, but he arrived later than Jack anticipated, and I don't think it would be odd at all for his mother to fly in ahead of time... especially if Christian had to work right up until the day before the wedding. I would say that might be a way of life for the spouse of the chief of surgery.The wedding was clearly some years before Christian went to Australia, and at that time, Jack speaks to his mother like she IS his mother... but I'm guessing at that point that she might be aware that she's not Jack's biological mother.My theory, as I mentioned earlier, is that perhaps Christian got some local young thing preggers while in port in Sydney, and she wasn't able to afford to keep him - so Christian and his wife adopted him. Who know, maybe Christian even fell in love with the Aussie chic. However, he was already married, and committed, and it would certainly be better for his career to not have a scandal like that in the way. This is the interesting thing - he tells Jack that committement is what makes him tick... but his problem is, he just can't let go. Christian says this like he feels he himself CAN let go... but in the end, has he? HAS he let go of the woman from Oz... the biological mother of Jack from so long ago? Is that why he went back there - to reconnect with her one last time... because he couldn't let go? Is that what he why he went to Kings Cross?Jack's mother said to him, "Your father was right about you. You don't understand the kind of pressure he's under." Well, what if Jack DOESN'T know the "kind" of pressure he's under? Harboring a secret like that all these years - living a lie... that the woman who raised him and who he sees as his mother isn't the woman who gave birth to him? Not to mention the pressure and guilt his own wife must give him, even if it's not consciously.This is so odd - now, how WILL Jack ever find this out, if it's true... or will he? Is one of the Losties a sibling of his then? Claire maybe? That makes him, Uncle Jack to Aaron? Or like I said, maybe Aaron's father is Jack's half brother.Anyway, to answer... I don't think it's odd that Jack's parents didn't fly in together. My guess is that his mother was already there... and dad flew in when he got done with work. At the wedding, they only show tight shots of dad - they don't show a wide shot of the folks attending... so there's no way to know if mom is or isn't there next to dad. So, she could very well have been there. I would think if she WASN'T there, if she didn't attend for some reason, there would be some mention of that... even obligatory, "Oh, sorry your mom couldn't be here... "etc.I also don't think the partenage thing came out after he testified. I don't think Jack knows yet... if it had come out, I don't think his mom would have been so quick to blame everything on Jack when she talked to him - after all, if she isn't his mom and knew it his whole life, then she would have been lying too.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 01:33 PMby: ordinary_bloke (140 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005 "If the constellation isn't the Big Dipper, I'm thinking it could possibly be part of the constellation "Cancer" - the Crab. "
Did White Rabbit happen about Oct 3 or 4 island time? (crash on Sept 22 and 2 days per epi? Not sure about that) Right at the intersection of the equator and the IDL early in the evening on that date, I believe the LITTLE dipper (Ursa Minor) was visible right near the horizon. Another bear hug(ging) the horizon
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 01:46 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Dis White Rabbit happen about Oct 3 or 4 island time? (crash on Sept 22 and 2 days per epi? Not sure about that) Right at the intersection of the equator and the IDL early in the evening on that date, I believe the LITTLE dipper Ursa Minor was visible right near the horizon. Another bear hug(ging) the horizon That's interesting, bloke!
But I THINK that when Jack was giving them all a talking to when they started to gang up on Boone for snatching the water, Jack said something like, "6 days ago we were strangers...", so I think WR was on day 6... but not 100%.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 02:13 PMby: marbalbc (817 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 04, 2004 ME - odd that the link didn't work for you. I tried it and it worked for me. Maybe try typing in the home URL for the site. www.astronomyonline.org.It's a pretty good site, with pics of the constellations. Takes a few seconds to load up. You can link to the Southern or Northern Hemisphere, what can be seen where, the seasons, etc.
Yes, I saw about Orion being over the Hare. That's why I thought this site might help out.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 02:16 PMby: chelle309 (41 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Hi ME! Here we are again!So Jack may be blood related to Claire, I can buy that. Very possible.As I was reading your post it occured to me that Jack's birth circumstances may have been a lot like Aaron's, if what you're suggesting turns out to be true.Maybe someone forewarned Christian that Jack HAD to be taken to the U.S. and had to be raised by him? I don't know if he seems like the kind of guy who would fall for that sort of thinking, but it's possible.
Hey, he was hangin' out in King's Cross. Who knows what this guy's been up to!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 02:16 PMby: Charliesgurl4eva (2048 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 26, 2005 Yes. One of the episodes Deus Ex Machina chapter 48 of watership down (the book that Sawyer is reading) that's the title of it!
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Page(s) 14 << [ 1 567 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 ] >> fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 02:33 PMby: ordinary_bloke (140 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005 "6 days ago we were strangers..."
Oops, forgot that. I just remembered they had been there 40 days total. But no worries. Ursa minor is visible there in late September too - just a little later in the evening. I'm not sure how late Jack lets them stay upIt looks something like you describe, and I saw something like that in a beach scene about 10 min. before the end of WR. I was looking at their faces and didn't get a close look at it though. Is there a screen cap of it anywhere?
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 02:34 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 marb, i'm still getting a "can't find server" page. Hmmmmmm....Bloke, the constellation I saw is in a very brief shot immediately after the scene with Jack smashing the coffin, and directly before the commerical break. That's where I see what looks like Ursa Major, except the handle is going off to the the right, and should be going off to the left. That's why I'm thinking it must not be The Big Bipper.After the commercial break, the shot is of stars in the sky and the camera pans down to the beach. Now, I'm willing to bet there are several constellations on that shot of the starry sky over the beach, but my TV screen is too small to make out any, and the resolution on my video tape isn't that great. Will be much easier to see on DVD, or TiVO, and larger screen. Also, the stupid TV rating icon comes up over the upper left of the shot, making it impossible to see that part of the sky.
If anyone can make out any constellations from that scene, please post. I sure do wish the DVDs were coming out sooner!
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 02:56 PMby: ordinary_bloke (140 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005 That's where I see what looks like Ursa Major, except the handle is going off to the the right, and should be going off to the left. That's why I'm thinking it must not be The Big Bipper."Me,
That exactly describes it! It is the LITTLE Dipper (Ursa MINOR) not the Big Dipper (Ursa Major). Two different bears and dippers, but the handle of the little one leads toward the right down to the horizon and the north star. That's the one I was talking about and the one that is visible near the horizon in late Sep. It would be a very nice constellation for them to include as a clue since it would give us North too.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 03:01 PMby: captainaeon (1300 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 16, 2004 Can the Dippers be seen from the southern hemisphere in Sept?Looked it up. Yes, in the northern part of the southern hemisphere.http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/constellations.htm
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 03:17 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Can the Dippers be seen from the southern hemisphere in Sept?Looked it up. Yes, in the northern part of the southern hemisphere.http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/constellations.htmMessage was edited by: captainaeonOhhhhh, nice, Cap! I love it!Especially since I really do think they're on or very near the equator, and probably slightly on the south side if they're not right on it!Bloke, the reason I didn't think it was the little dipper is because it just seemed too big. I've seen the little dipper before, and what I saw on TV seemed WAYYYY too big to be the little dipper. However.. could be I guess! After all, I've never seen it from the equator, or from the vantage piont that we were show.I agree though that it if it's the little dipper, it will give us the North Star!
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 03:26 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Ok, bloke... I just looked it up and the Little Dipper's handle isn't off to the right of the cup - it's off to the left of its cup... just the the Big Dipper's handle is!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Dipper
BOTH Dipper's handles go off to the LEFT of its cup... not the right.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 04:19 PMby: ordinary_bloke (140 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005
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BOTH Dipper's handles go off to the LEFT of its cup... not the right.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>Ok, but Polaris seems fixed in the sky to us and all the stars in the Northern hemi seem to rotate around it. Ursa Minor (little dipper) will rotate around it too during the night like hands on a clock. The end of the handle is attached to Polaris which is stationary and the cup seems to swing around it.So the way I see it (I'm probably way off, so take it with a large grain of saltin late Sept at the equator and 180 deg, that Beta star in the lower right of your picture (top end of cup) will have swung around and be just above the horizon and to the left. Polaris (the end of the handle) will be on the right and exactly on the horizon. I know that didn't make much sense - it's hard to describe, but I used a little star program and that's the way it turns out. I'm just not at all sure if I got the time conversions right for that location. AND it may be the wrong constellation anyway. Sooo many things to go wrong (and they always do for me).Message was edited by: ordinary_bloke
Forgot to say it will be upside down - water runs out of the dipper.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 04:27 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 bloke, I guess I can't quite figure that out for the constellation i'm seeing... it's not near the horizon, for one thing - but up in the sky.
Also, I see what looks like the four stars that form the cup of the big dipper... but with one other star over to the right of the upper right star forming the cup - that star over to the right looks like the first star that forms the handle. Whether it's the big or little dipper, that star over to the right should be to the left of the cup, not the right.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 05:27 PMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 From Miss A.... Questions for "House of the Rising Sun"... Serious Easter Egging didn't start until after the New Year last season, so it's just general questions to reinforce storyline. 1. In the opening scene, what does Kate want Jack to explain? 2. In the first FB, what is Sun trying to warn Jin about?3. When Kate asks, how does Jack say he found the water?4. How does Charlie find the ground bees? Is that "normal" in that part of the world?5. What did Adam and Eve die from?6. What was in Adam's pocket?7. How many survivors are there at this point?8. How does Jack think Adam and Eve came there?9. List four reasons why Jack feels the caves are a good place to live.10. When's Walt's birthday?11. Charlie asks Locke why he is sure he will see his guitar again. What is Locke's answer?12. In the arguement between Jack and Sayid on digging in or trying to signal on the beach, Kate supports Jack once. What does she say?13. Watch the scene where Sun is talking with Michael about why Jin attacked him. How does Sun feel about her father?14. Locke tells Charlies he knows more about something than Charlie thinks. What?15. Locke says that in order for the island to give you something, what do you have to do?16. When Michael frees Jin, he says something doesn't matter on the island. What?17. What color are the flowers that Jin hands Sun in both FB's?18. Who follows Jack to the caves? Who stays with Sayid on the beach?Have fun!http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=453298&forumStart=0bump..
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Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 04 @ 09:31 PMby: marbalbc (817 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 04, 2004 Strange that the links don't work for you ME. It's a really interesting site too. Do we have any astronomers or stargazers on the board? I'm starting to make a list of scenes with the night sky in them, and if I start posting them, is there anyone that can go back to their tapes or Tivo and try to identify any constellations or star groups?
So far there have been two scenes in Pilot I, but I can't pick out anything in particular. They both occur after Kate stitches Jack up.
Re:Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 6Posted: Jul 05 @ 05:43 AMby: MEandthesea (1368 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I'm starting to make a list of scenes with the night sky in them, and if I start posting them, is there anyone that can go back to their tapes or Tivo and try to identify any constellations or star groups?So far there have been two scenes in Pilot I, but I can't pick out anything in particular. They both occur after Kate stitches Jack up.
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