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abraxas1954	101#
Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:03:04) above the blowhole changes pressure (due to a passing weather front, or even the normal heating/cooling of a day/night cycle), the air inside responds. If the pressure is falling outside (say in the afternoon of a hot day), then air comes out of the hole; rising pressure (night cooling) causes air to flow back into the blowhole. Many entrances to caves in the Appalachians have been noted to "moan" as air goes in and out of them. Searching for "blowholes" did come up with some other kinds of them. The most common was related to lava tubes in Hawaii...here the sea waves acts as a piston of sorts, causing air (and sometimes water, too) to shoot in and out of holes in the roof of some of the lava tubes where they near the ocean.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/oct2001/1004571093.Es.r.html so maybe the caves have a pulley system of chains and winches to haul stuff in and out of them, and the cave system is connected to the ocean and maybe some even go out into the ocean (common in the South Pacific...tourist companies sell trips around diving in these caves). Is this the ?whale' that the diary writer saw? Is the sucking back in and up into the tunnels what got Joanna? Could the miners be using explosives and the backdraft of the explosions have such impact as to blow banyan trees up out of the ground? Banyan tree roots grow above ground, not under, right? What is happening underground? I don't know. What are they mining? Why do they need children? How does it all tie into Montauk, the government, etc.? Does ?time' and the lack of it, abundance of it, or no need for it matter? I have no clue... Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 01:54 PM by: blissfullylost (193 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 Thing Kate/Jack saw was more of a shimmer in the atmosphere. Looked like Predator to me. Same type of invisibility. EXACTLY! I'm so glad you saw it too One! It looked just like the thing in the movie in the Predator! It wasn't the monster. Do you have any theories on what it was One? Think it was The Whisperers? Think The Others can go invisible?? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 02:03 PM by: cac120 (1127 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 ME, I still think Ethan is an Other. Welcome to the thread, Otter. I'm glad you're enjoying it. Welcome to Aaron as well. I haven't read Prey, but you and Anni are probably right that that's where they got the idea for the smoke. Chen & ME, I don't think the misdirect is the rafiot. Davis, Ada said to pay attention to their clothes, too. I plan to watch with lots of stopping and rewinding next time. However Locke found out, I think calling Hurley Hugo means that he has recognized their connection. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 02:12 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 anni, nice job!!! excellent! All makes sense to me! Not sure about it being a "security system"... as it you describe all sounds so... unintentional, yet makes sense. anni: I was perplexed by the strange smoke that came back after Kate threw the dynamite down the hole...do you remember the movie Backdraft? How the fire would suddenly disappear? Would get sucked back under a doorway or something? yes! backdraft! just as i was saying to you yesterday! you found some great info about it! the mining and volcanic info you found is great too. it's wonderful to see the ideas and info shared by several people coming together into wonderful theories that make sense! i love that level of collaboration! cac, why don't you think rafiot/the boat is the misdirect? what would rule it out, over some other idea? just curious as to your thinking. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 02:16 PM by: annipadanni (169 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 btw...the post about Prey...it wasn't mine...i brought it over from another board. i copied and pasted and thought i included the person who wrote it... Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 02:24 PM by: cac120 (1127 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 I did have another idea about the misdirect this morning. I thought of it when I was away from the computer but forgot it before I came back. I'll remember eventually and then I'll post it. Back to Top ^ Page(s) 14 << [ 1 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ] >> Search Topic List Rules . Help . Thought about the boards? Notify host. Terms of Use . Privacy Policy/Your California Privacy Rights . Copyright ? ABC, Inc. Member Name: Password: Forget your Member Name?Forget your Password? Forum HomeLostLost: General Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 Replies: 1087 Last post: Jun 25 @ 08:29 PM by: OneisLost Search Topic List Page(s) 14 << [ 1 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 ] >> Advertisement No celebrity endorsement implied. -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

abraxas1954	102#
Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:03:28) Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> reply Posted: May 26 @ 02:37 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Oceanic flight 815 Leaving Sydney 14:15 Arriving in LA: 10:42 Departing from Gate 23 Hurley's seat: 20G Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 03:08 PM by: jademirax (62 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 20, 2005 I haven't had time to read many of the new posts here yet, so I'm sorry if someone has already come up with this idea, but I think it might be important. Locke said the island brought each one of them there for a reason. Ada said all the castaways are special in a way. There was one line said last night that seemed to connect all the castaways. "You are not free. You never have been and never will be." Earlier someone mentioned that each castaway was running awy from something, or was not looking foreword to their destination. I think its simmilar, but more of a broad idea. Each person is "captive" to something and has no way to get free. Until the island gives them a way. Kate - prisioner on way to trial Sayid - his past and the concenquences/guilt Michael - Walt (talking with his mother "he wasn't supposed to be min, this was never part of the plan") Jin - father in law Peik Sun - her life with Jin/ father Claire - baby(Aaron) Bone - Shannon Lock - his paralisis Hurley - his numbers Charlie - addiction Jack - self imposed responsibility for others Shannon - expectations of other(to be shallow and helpless) Sawyer - life of selfessness and self pity Walt - ? Rose - ? Also, I noticed that the island gives them their freedom, but offers a way for them to volluntarily revert to their "captors" as the shiow goes on. Charlie is re - introduced to a HUGE supply of heroine Jack is "elected" leader Locke's legs give out on him for a while, can accept it or fight it Michaelcan fight to protect Walt or have Walt taken from him Sayid Could revert to his past and tortures Sawyer ( sadly he does, though later regrets it) Kate can leave on raft to keep her secret, or tell the others who she really is Jin has the option of finishing his job for Peik or starting over when on raft to "rescue" Claire's baby is taken and she can choose to fight for his return or not Hurley finds the numbers all around him Shannon can either live up to the expectations of Boone or the belief in her that Sayid has Sawyer could allow the others to take walt or could fight to protect him hope this makes sense. (now my brain hurts........) Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 03:25 PM by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 Yes jade, that made sense. I like the idea that the island temps them to stray again, i.e. Charlie and the drugs etc. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 03:30 PM by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 Has anyone seen this yet? http://www.oceanic-air.com/home.htm Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 03:35 PM by: jademirax (62 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 20, 2005 im at the web page. go to the seating chart. if you wait long enough, squares will turn green and tell you who sat where. Also if double clicked, siome will show passports or other info Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 03:37 PM by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 Where is the seat plan? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 03:39 PM by: jademirax (62 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 20, 2005 http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 03:44 PM by: daviscbls1 (1 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005 If you register at the ocianic website it will make you re-register here. -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

abraxas1954	104#
Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:04:12) by: Maetrena (85 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 26, 2005 fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Do you mean we've seen their pictures before? I think that the Others might have been in the Born to Run/ Deux Ex Machina pictures. After all, why else would A tell us to pay attention to them. As for the episode, I thought that the hatch ending was a bit WTF; however, I thought that the raft cliffhanger (which I think was the main one) was emotionally powerful and MUY shocking. I'm not sure why everyone is so bent out of shape over the finale, because we did get some answers.. like something about the monster, the Black Rock, the Others and what they want, who Claire was kidnapped by and why.... They aren't going to give us everything spelled out in itsy, bitsy detail like DH or 24 (like they were going to kill Kiefer off); they want to keep the storyline going. As for the Black Rock/ slave ship, I think that it's a metaphor. The Whisperers might be "slaves" to the Others and whatever experiments they might be running. And it's a pretty apt description for the Lostaways in their former lives as well; they were "slaves" to others expectations, their secrets, their pasts, etc. And while being on the island may have set some of them free (Locke, Sun, Jin), some (Jack especially) are still facing the same problems that put them on the island in the first place. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 04:54 PM by: jbbrennan (66 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005 One thing that didn't seem "right" to me about the Exoduses (oh, OK, NOW I finally get all the Moses/Aaron stuff--duh, and I'm R.C.!)is this (might take me a few lines to get to the point): I can understand Locke's obsession with opening the hatch but what I DON'T get is why Jack would go along with the idea of blowing it off? I mean, if you want to have some place to hide all your forty two co-survivors what good is a hiding place without a door? I mean, might as well be in the caves waiting to get picked off. It just doesn't seem reasonable. All this time we've been looking at the outside of the hatch hasn't everyone been thinking, oh it must be some sort of (bomb-type) shelter. Did anyone think it was an air shaft, or a holding pit or whatever it actually turned out to be? so what was the logic? Did I just miss it? Was Jack thinking, just load all those people down there, and then we can all stare up at our doorless hiding place waiting for the others to drop in. Maybe, he was thinking they could rebury it from the inside ?? This thought kept me up half the night last night. --jasmine Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 04:44 PM by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 some (Jack especially) are still facing the same problems that put them on the island in the first place. But Jack is now handling the leader role well. I think it is because Sawyer set him free by telling him what his dad had said. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 05:04 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 But davis, look at the decisions Jack is still making because he can't let go. He DOES want to lead more now... maybe now he has more confidence in that role, as he pretty much stated that to Kate that he wants to lead, but then she questions his decisions. The decisions he's making, because he can't let go... not letting Kate carry the dynomite... even though it was fairly decided. And then him going after Locke and trying to keep Locke from going down the hole... which DID work out for him, but was it for the Greater Good? If Jack had been pulled down too - then two of the strongest leaders, or survivalists, which be gone. And maybe doing things for the Greater Good isn't always the best decision - like if Locke thinks that sacrificing Boone was justified for the Greater Good. I just think Jack still has some issues with letting go. However, I DO have to say, he is taking charge a lot more lately, and people are following. Like when he was able to pull people together in 20 minutes to help with the raft. On another subject, I've been looking through some screen caps from past epis to work on that list Ada talking about, when she said to list man-made objects... and looking at Danielle's home when she had Sayid chained up, i noticed what range of items she had from different eras... and some are quite modern. Which begs the question, when DID she arrive, and/or, when did others arrive on the island? Here's the link: http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=77&pos=156 if you notice the blue nylon mesh bag on the pole. Also, there are two lanterns to the left, but they look like two different types, perhaps from two different eras... the one hanging higher looks older... maybe without glass. And then behind the chain link fence (chain link fence?? where'd she get THAT? hmmmm??), hangigg right i the middle of the photo, you see a flashlight... a rather modern looking flashlight hanging from a yellow strong. And then in this photo, over to the right, we see a regular ole lightbulb... which we all did notice in the episode. http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=77&pos=159 Just all makes me realize all the different forms of LIGHT on the show, besides the natural light from fire and the sun. Message was edited by: MEandthesea Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 04:56 PM by: jademirax (62 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 20, 2005 to get to the seeting chart, go to track flights Then track flight 815 Then highlight only flight 815 out of whatever else they give you. Right click on the highlighted area nad it will take you there. I found it by accident Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 04:58 PM by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 Thanks, jade. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

abraxas1954	105#
Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:04:28) reply fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Posted: May 26 @ 05:00 PM by: jademirax (62 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 20, 2005 no problem Davis was anybody else gratefull to hear Hurly say the dinomyte and torch thing was stupid? Watching them walk around with this highly explosive thing and have fire right next to it made me yell at the screen. LOL. Hurley rules. Also, how did the school teacher guy know so much about dinomite? Yet so little as to blow himself up? He was a weird dude. Message was edited by: jademirax Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 05:06 PM by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 If Boone and Shannon were in business class, how did they end up with the losties on the beach? The front of the plane that Kate etc. found in the jungle was so long that business class had to have been part of it. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 05:09 PM by: annipadanni (169 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 george...i know ME's posts are yummy, but you have to share! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 05:15 PM by: cac120 (1127 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 I think I saw the monster! It's in one of the shots of Locke being pulled. There is something on his leg. It's only visible for two or three frames at the beginning of the shot of Locke that follows the one of Jack running down a 'passageway' toward the camera. The thing on his leg looks like an eagle with its mouth open. I'm not positive it is an eagle, but that's the best way I can describe it. It looks like a pale head with an open beak and a black blob of fur or feathers behind it. It's facing the same direction as Locke. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 05:15 PM by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 Someone (sorry I can't remember who) suggested that the others were decendants of the people who came on the Black Rock. If Ethan is an other then that can't be true. He would have had minimal contact with the outside world, other than to kill or enslave people. How could he be so literate? They would be far more primitive than that. Assuming of course he is an other. Back to Top ^ Page(s) 14 << [ 1 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 ] >> Search Topic List Rules . Help . Thought about the boards? Notify host. Terms of Use . Privacy Policy/Your California Privacy Rights . Copyright ? ABC, Inc. Member Name: Password: Forget your Member Name?Forget your Password? Forum HomeLostLost: General Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 Replies: 1087 Last post: Jun 25 @ 08:29 PM by: OneisLost Search Topic List Page(s) 14 << [ 1 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 ] >> Advertisement No celebrity endorsement implied. Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 05:30 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 anni and all, my post is on page 36... i had edited in more info. interesting observation about Danielle's bunker. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 05:47 PM by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 I watched it again but I only have a VRC (damn I need to get a DVD or tivo or whatever). I couldn't make anything out at all.... Can you post it to your pictures on a yahoo website and post a link here, please. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 06:29 PM by: new_losty (12 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 19, 2005 sorry to be slightly OT, but who is "George"? I'm assuming he's a little monster on the board that eats posts until later, but why? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 06:28 PM by: annipadanni (169 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 me...she also has jumper cables and a metal school type of locker... she also has some old bottles with narrow necks and metal bands/tops/handles...similar to the one that the woman on the boat through onto the raft to start it on fire... Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 06:32 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 anni, i also noticed she had yet ANOTHER hanging lantern on a back table, as well as a glass hurricane lantern. The lady likes her light! -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

abraxas1954	106#
Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:04:54) She also has a least two large batteries, which it seems she was using to shock Sayid (more like marine batteries, or car batteries... but I'm guessing marine).fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 06:48 PM by: OneisLost (201 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004 Thing Kate/Jack saw was more of a shimmer in the atmosphere. Looked like Predator to me. Same type of invisibility. EXACTLY! I'm so glad you saw it too One! It looked just like the thing in the movie in the Predator! It wasn't the monster. Do you have any theories on what it was One? Think it was The Whisperers? Think The Others can go invisible?? I think they are the whisperers, Bliss. Oh well, thought I remembered something correctly, ME. Guess not. One thing I've noticed is that none of the metal on anything is rusted. With all that rain/damp, even if it's protected, wouldn't you think the manacles in the ship would be a bit rusty? The only thing that's been rusty is the needle Danielle used on Sayid. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 06:57 PM by: Maetrena (85 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 26, 2005 Okay... More questions about the Black Rock, the Mozambique slave trade, and Dynamite. - Sobrero discovered nitroglycerin, the main component of dynamite in the 1840s; however, it wasn't patented by Nobel until the late 1860s. Since the sticks on the Black Rock didn't look homemade, that would date the boat into at least the 1860s/70s - The people of Madagascar have the same ancestory as those of Polynesia and eastern Mozambique (Zanzibar)is known for it's seafaring culture. So the fact that a ship from that area would end up in the Pacific, isn't that far a stretch. - A mining colony in the middle of the Pacific? Really? The ship might be engaged in illegal slave trade, but a destination in Africa seems more likely. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 07:14 PM by: jbbrennan (66 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005 <<<A mining colony in the middle of the Pacific? Really? The ship might be engaged in illegal slave trade, but a destination in Africa seems more likely.>>> Well...maybe...what would you do if you were somehow stranded in the middle of an island in the middle of the pacific with a ship filled with slaves and mining equipment and erm...polar bears...well, first you'd let the polar bears out of their cages (isn't there a slatted piece of wood in the Jack/Locke dynamite scene that looks like the side of a cage?)...because you are one of those humane type of slaver-zoologist and then...you would cut a hole in the side of your run-aground ship to turn it into a shelter and then you would...start mining...thereby unleashing whatever horrible disease, mold, flesh eating viruses have been slumbering on the island for who knows how long. OK, that's MY theory. Maybe the boat-Others are from the same place the polar bears came from, which is why they are all so bundled up and not very tan. --jasmine Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 26 @ 07:33 PM by: hellolost (4936 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 05, 2004 we had a Eureka on page 23 of the 2 cent thread..... curious? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 01:37 AM by: jademirax (62 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 20, 2005 I am. please share Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 04:32 AM by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 OK, I just read the 2 cents thread, well page 23 at least. The mining theory works for me, would explain how Ethan got around, the fact that there are hiding places underground, the monster; pullies, chains etc. (to a certain extent, why the others would need slaves (to work in the mines) BUT what is the use of mining ANYTHING be it gold or any other commodity unless the people mining it or organising the mining are going to gain something from it. Gold on a desert island in the middle of nowhere is less than usless. So how do the ones in charge get the products from the mine into civilization if no one can leave the island? And who is behind it all? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 05:40 AM by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 OK, see if this works. This was on the oceanic website. Let me know if the link doesn't work. http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/daviscbls/album?.dir=/6465 It describes the monster. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 06:23 AM by: cac120 (1127 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 I think that mining is part of the history of the island, but I don't think its currently going on. -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

abraxas1954	107#
Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:05:21) First there were the natural caves made by the volcano, these were expanded by the miners, then the government retrofitted them for its experiment, then the experiment was abandoned, then the experiment was resurrected by the Others who turned their test subjects into the Whisperers.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 08:24 AM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 davis: OK, I just read the 2 cents thread, well page 23 at least. The mining theory works for me, would explain how Ethan got around, the fact that there are hiding places underground, the monster; pullies, chains etc. Are you kidding me? MINING was the "Eureka" on the 2 cent thread? We've been talking about mining here in this thread for MONTHS. I posted about it a while back (quite a while back, actually, in terms of how Ethan might be able to get around), we've posted about mining in Kalgoorlee and that maybe there's a connection to the Lost island, anni recently posted about mining in the Line Isalnds, and mining is in the F/C story. Forgive me, but mining isn't a Eureka here... but... glad others have come to that idea too. cac: First there were the natural caves made by the volcano, these were expanded by the miners, then the government retrofitted them for its experiment, then the experiment was abandoned, then the experiment was resurrected by the Others who turned their test subjects into the Whisperers. cac, i agree with most of this... though not convinced that there is NO mining not going on right now. Why would they mine? Not sure - might be something they need to survive. I'm also don't think the Other's turned their test subjects into the Whisperers. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 08:27 AM by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 ME, Forgive me, but mining isn't a Eureka here... but... glad others have come to that idea too. Love it! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 08:30 AM by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 George.... Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 08:32 AM by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 George you ate them all... Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 08:34 AM by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 Then threw them back up again... all mangled up! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 08:38 AM by: weebot (186 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 16, 2005 May I add a rambling thought? There seems to be quite a bit of evidence of mining on the island. And they wanted Walt. Don't laugh, but maybe they wanted him because he is small enough to move through certain tunnels and shafts. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 08:40 AM by: weebot (186 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 16, 2005 May I add a rambling thought? There seems to be quite a bit of evidence of mining on the island. And they wanted Walt. Don't laugh, but maybe they wanted him because he is small enough to move through certain tunnels and shafts. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 09:52 AM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 weebot; May I add a rambling thought? There seems to be quite a bit of evidence of mining on the island. And they wanted Walt. Don't laugh, but maybe they wanted him because he is small enough to move through certain tunnels and shafts. yes, wee... that's what i think that they might want Walt for too - that was kind of my point, or one of them. At least that's why I think THAT group of others wants Walt. Obviously it wouldn't be the intention behind taking a newborn, which is why I wonder if there isn't another group that wants children, or at least babies, for yet another reason. The pirates/boat people may have taken the children for mining though - or to get into tunnels and shafts to get things, etc. So no worries - I'm definitely not laughing at you! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 10:38 AM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 In the thread "The Black Rock is not a slave ship", I posted the following, and wanted to post it here as well: Hi all, I think I'm in the minority on this thread when I say that I think the dynamite WAS originally brought on the Black Rock. In thinking about the following facts: -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

abraxas1954	108#
Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:05:47) fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> - dynamite was invented in 1867, dynamite is used widely in mining, (found more info saying dynamite was invented in 1866, but patented in 1967. Now two more sources about the History of the US Patent Office that list Nobel's patent of dynamite as taking place in 1868... one specifically says 5/26/1868. http://www.uspat.com/historical/index.shtml - the Black Rock had mining equipment on it, - the transportation of convicts to Australia was phased out betweeen 1840-1868, and - gold was discovered in Australia in 1851... .. it seems to me that it makes sense that the Black Rock was a convict ship transporting prisoners and mining equipment to Australia from England to take part in gold mining. That would also REALLY really narrow down and pinpoint the date of the Black Rock for us: pretty much between 1867-1868. The other bit of info I found interesting is that: During the industrialization there was a large need for such potent explosives for use in the mining industry and in tunnel construction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamite The tunnels under the island? Message was edited by: MEandthesea Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 12:26 PM by: annipadanni (169 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 ME...very cool. so we have a really good chance at a certain date here. i love it! i don't know about the other thread, and what they are speculating...but i think that everything that you've found it great. it totally fits with the info we've been given. i for one never even thought that the explosives weren't from the Black Rock...just assumed. BUT, you know what they say about that!!!!! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 01:51 PM by: cleatusB (16 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 25, 2005 Hey all, I love this thread, there's a lot of great ideas and research here! I just spent most of the day reading it! A thought on the "monster": I agree that it seems like it is something mechanical and mine -related. But then, how did it pull the pilot out of the cockpit? Also, don't know what this means ( if anything), but I was looking at another thread that was discussing the fridge pictures from "born to run", and how one was missing and replaced with a different picture. Also missing was the magent - an eagle. Connection to the mysterious bird and whatever was pulling Locke? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 02:12 PM by: jbbrennan (66 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005 Cleatus, I remember thinking when the first (real) bird flapped away, that it scared Jack, Kate and the rest (probably because it scared the crap out of me, too!) and then, when the first little puff of smoke that zipped away that Kate and Jack saw I thought it was "trying" to mimick the real bird's flight...maybe because it "thought" that it could scare them that way? I think it was CAC who wrote that the thing around Locke's leg looked like a bird beak... --jasmine Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 02:05 PM by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 George, are you still hungry? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 02:13 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I even found a site that cites the exact date and ship name of the last convict ship to Australia: http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/res-03.html On January 9, 1868, Australia's last convict ship, the "Hougoumont" brought its final cargo of 269 convicts. Davis, I did hear that one of the photos - the photo of Tom and the baby - were missing, along with the eagle mangnet. The thought was that Kate took it, since it had been there when she was looking at them, but not when she was sitting at the table. However, I never heard that the photo had been replaced. I DO agree that when we see the photo collage in the background when Kate is sitting at the table, there are photos there that we didn't see in screen cap close ups, or that the camera didn't focus on when filming - but I think they were there all along. We just weren't shown all of the photos during the close-ups. Message was edited by: MEandthesea Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 02:27 PM by: pau_hana (244 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 Me, your having a brainAhemspasm. 14, you mean 16 of course Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 02:37 PM -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:06:41) by: hellolost (4936 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 05, 2004 fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> for someone who is not use to doing any type of figuring out it was an Eureka... Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 02:40 PM by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 ME, it was cleat who talked about the pics on the fridge. Eureka or not, I love how we all get together and hash things out. Thanks to all the great brains who make the show even better! Back to Top ^ Page(s) 14 << [ 1 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 ] >> Search Topic List Rules . Help . Thought about the boards? Notify host. Terms of Use . Privacy Policy/Your California Privacy Rights . Copyright ? ABC, Inc. Member Name: Password: Forget your Member Name?Forget your Password? Forum HomeLostLost: General Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 Replies: 1087 Last post: Jun 25 @ 08:29 PM by: OneisLost Search Topic List Page(s) 14 << [ 1 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 ] >> Advertisement No celebrity endorsement implied. Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 02:42 PM by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 George... WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU TODAY?!?!?!?! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 03:01 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 pau: Me, your having a brainAhemspasm. 14, you mean 16 of course d'oh! yes, you're right pau... definite brain spasm! sad thing is, I made the same mistake earlier in regard to something else and corrected myself... and then go and do it again! for some reason i keep getting 14 and 15 in my head for those two numbers, in stead of 15 and 16. I just edited my post... elimated that part all together. Doesn't seem as significant with only one number matching! Hello, I didn't mean to burst your "Eureka" bubble. It IS very cool that you figured it out - so my apologies... truly. Just seemed a little funny posted on this thread that there was a Eureka moment on page 23 of the 2 cents thread, cuz I went there expecting to find something very new (to this thread). Anyway, don't mind me. Good work! As long as you're thinking Lost, that's cool! And, what can I say - yes, I agree with you! Mining ties in. Keep going, hello! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 03:08 PM by: troII_beater (86 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 22, 2005 Go away hellolost. Go back to your troll friend Ada. Sorry to post this in your thread, but she comes over here telling you there is a clue BUT you need to go over to ADA's trollfriend's thread to get her Eureka clue. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 03:10 PM by: weebot (186 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 16, 2005 Look at this. http://www.lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=7954&page=4&pp=15 Nothing is as it seems. If there are nanobots.... look carefully at the bottom scene. Are those nanobots forming together to look like trees which are being uprooted? This would explain why there are never any monster tracks or evidence of fallen trees. If nanobots are a presence on the island, it would explain why some of the other island residents only come out at night. Nanonbots would most likely be solar powered and be most active in the day. I hope no one will close idea of nanos. It seems limitless since they can take any shape. The much of the island could be a nanocreation. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 03:18 PM by: Dad_of_4 (2169 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 21, 2004 Hola Titlers - Dad comes in for a ramble ...hopes he enlightens or is enlightned by your responses. 1) La Mer (the Song) = Pete La Mer (The pirate) from Story called the Dazzler which is about a boy that is used by pirates. 2) Rafiot = Tub = Three men that took Walt and went off in the tub. 3) Locke is the penitent. Boone was the sacrifice. Who is the avenger? I don't know who the avenger is and A said that back awhile ago when we were discussing DEM and the mousetrap game but I didn't catch it until Locke said Boone was a sacrifice to the island. Went back and there it was. If you can point to anything that you have on those 3 would love the help. And we are convinced over in the marshall thread that he was not a marshall. have a great weekend. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 03:26 PM by: weebot (186 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 16, 2005 -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

abraxas1954	110#
Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:07:02) Dad, that is so interesting. La Mer... what di the pirates use the boy for?fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 03:28 PM by: hellolost (4936 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 05, 2004 sigh.. I am not a troll... Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 03:36 PM by: Dad_of_4 (2169 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 21, 2004 THE CRUISE OF THE DAZZLER by Jack London What better way to start your kids off reading, good, classical maritime literature than with Jack London! Here, Joe Bronson, dissatisfied and unhappy in school, decides to run away to sea. He falls in with the infamous "bay pirates", those some-time fishermen and oyster dredgers who, in reality, used their boats as convenient transport to rob business along the San Francisco bay at the turn of the century. It is readily and quite soon apparent to Joe that perhaps school isn't quite so bad after all; and after befriending 'Frisco Kid, another young member of the crew they finally are able to cast off the shackles to "French Pete", the captain of the Dazzler and restart their lives. Good rollicking action and good values. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 03:50 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 hello, don't worry about it - we all know you're not a troll. Just focus on Lost here and you'll be fine. Onward! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 04:09 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Hi Dad! Interesting post! Here are my thoughts.. Dad: 1) La Mer (the Song) = Pete La Mer (The pirate) from Story called the Dazzler which is about a boy that is used by pirates. I saw were mme posted yesterday, or recently that "The Dazzler" was a big influence for Lost, and read where she mentioned "French Pete", but didn't know of the story or how it connected to Lost - didn't know the La Mer stuff... so very happy you figured that out and shared with us here! Thanks! Dad: 2) Rafiot = Tub = Three men that took Walt and went off in the tub. Yes! I thought of that too! Thought I posted that here - that the kidnappers boat is the Rafiot boat, and perhaps a redirect.. since we had been lead to believe that rafiot referred to something besides a boat. But, the kidnappers boat looks too much like what we all thought was a boat above Rafiot on the map. Glad you agree - yes! 3) Locke is the penitent. Boone was the sacrifice. Who is the avenger? I don't know who the avenger is and A said that back awhile ago when we were discussing DEM and the mousetrap game but I didn't catch it until Locke said Boone was a sacrifice to the island. Went back and there it was. If you can point to anything that you have on those 3 would love the help. At this point, from what I can see, perhaps Jack is the avenger... especially after hearing Locke say that Boone was a sacrifice. We already heard him rally Kate to his "side" against Locke... anticipating future confict. Other than that Shannon seems determine to avenge Boone's death, so could be her... but my first thought was Jack. Dad: And we are convinced over in the marshall thread that he was not a marshall. I think we're all in agreement about that here too - we hashed that out big time a couple months ago - more than we needed to, since we all were pretty much in agreement. Don't tell me - Fed is very involved in that thread and is one of the leaders of the "the 'marshal' isn't a marshal" cause? He was very involved in the discussion about it here too. Gosh, that guy loves beating dead horses, and we love him for that! We miss him here. Well, glad everyone involved in that thread is in agreement about it as well! Won't we all have lots 'o egg on our faces if we're wrong? Aw, but that's part of the fun. Gotta take a risk! Hey, thanks for being here, Dad... and sharing with us! Yay! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 04:03 PM by: chenmeina (168 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 08, 2005 I'm not going to be around much for the next week or two, busy and traveling; kind of a bummer, 'cause I know lots of great thinking will happen here tearing apart the finale and the lists of questions... I'll pop in if I can, and catch up and re-join when I'm back home again and life gets more settled... hello, I know you're not a troll, you're one of the friendliest posters out there, and I think the mining find is a great one, even though it's been found elsewhere as well... Just my unsubstantiated two cents, but if there is mining on the island now, I'm betting it's coal, that would provide something they need (fuel/energy), especially if the ones doing the mining don't control any other power source (hydro-electric, etc)... The black smoke could have been burning coal (I'm still unclear on who we are supposed to believe set that fire on the beach). Coal would be yet another "black rock". Does anyone who's done any "geology" research know if coal is even a possibility in that part of the world, considering the type of conditions (shield volcano) we believe the island formed under? Maybe not, and then we could dispose of this idea! I'm still not fully convinced about the date for the Black Rock. Could someone explain how we moved from slave ship to convict ship, or point me to a discussion about that? I guess I missed that! And I just need to do more looking to decide for myself whether or not I believe that dynamite would have been in production and been available to be put onto that ship at that time, packaged in that way (I'm not sure where, but I think that at some point I read a purple clue about the way the dynamite was packaged --- I might be wrong about that, though, that wasn't in the list of questions, was it?) Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 04:19 PM by: automaton (4 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 02, 2005 And now for a wild digression...the woman who throws the fire bomb onto the raft is wearing a white stone around her neck. This possibly ties the "others" to the bodies found in the caves holding black 'n white -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:07:22) stones. Also interesting is the appearance of white, usually an indication of good, connected with the assumedly(Is that even a word?) evil "others". Any thoughts? Or perhaps scathing insults...you know... whatever.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 04:28 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Chen, first of all, we'll miss you - but hope you have LOTS of fun! chen: I'm still not fully convinced about the date for the Black Rock. Could someone explain how we moved from slave ship to convict ship, or point me to a discussion about that? Chen, I was feeling it was a slave ship until I thought about it more. I explained quite a bit within the past few pages of this thread. Mme said the ship is a type of Caravel ship called a Snow. Snows were used between the 16th and 19th centuries. Dynamite was discovered in 1866, and patented in 1868 (5/26/1868). Some sources site it patented in 1887, but two sources I found about the US Patent Office listed the patent in 1868. US and Britain abolish the slave trade in 1807. The slave trade was abolished world-wide in 1853. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade So, if the slave trade was aboslished world-wide in 1853, and dynamite wasn't discovered until 1886, and then patented in 1868 (or 1667), and there was dynamite on the ship (which I do believe was on the ship originally), then it seems to me that the ship wasn't a slave ship. Also, it was more common practice for convicts to be brought to Australia from the UK via the Pacific... until 1868. Chen, if you read my posts on the previous two pages, it explains much of this. Does this make any more sense? I guess I missed that! And I just need to do more looking to decide for myself whether or not I believe that dynamite would have been in production and been available. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 04:32 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 auto: And now for a wild digression...the woman who throws the fire bomb onto the raft is wearing a white stone around her neck. This possibly ties the "others" the bodies found in the caves holding black 'n white stones. auto, interesting observation! great catch! i can't wait to rewatch the episode, or at least see the remainder of the screen caps! auto: Any thoughts? Or perhaps scathing insults...you know... whatever. scathing insults? aw, sorry... we don't do that here... but thanks for giving us options! hey, thanks for posting! sounds like some good thoughts - i really am so eager to watch again.. can't wait for tomorrow night!! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 07:03 PM by: automaton (4 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 02, 2005 Another thought-Why didn't the "others" in the motorboat just kill Sawyer, Jin, and Micheal and then take Walt? Why even bother with the good-ole-boy charade? They have no way of knowing that Sawyer is packin' heat,as it were. Come to think of it, they didn't shoot until Sawyer pulled his gun, and then only shot Sawyer when they easily could have killed the other two. Maybe they're not as evil as we've assumed. Maybe they have to take Walt to protect him from something worse. Or maybe I'm just grasping at straws. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 06:49 PM by: ELMIRAGE (292 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 08, 2004 what do you think about this ; have you read the description of the monster from the LOST script on the oceanic website? huge, mechanical and biological, god like and profane, a massive, multi-tentacled retrofit beast resembling a primordial-mapinguari. only partially obscured in a cloud of acrid smoke. WOW some beast with tentacles . Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 07:45 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I read that too, Elm... and wondered. But then you noticed they crossed it all out, which might mean (or is supposed to mean) that they changed their mind about what it will look like or be, so who knows? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 07:46 PM by: Rainnedrop (100 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 20, 2005 Has anyone thought of the idea of brainwashing? I keep trying to think of a connection between taking an infant and a young boy. Children would be easier to brainwash than adults (but not to say that certain adults can't fall prey to it also). If the women is Alex on the motorboat, she certainly could have been brainwashed (enough to throw the explosive) Auto: Maybe they're not as evil as we've assumed. Maybe they have to take Walt to protect him from something worse. What if they have good intentions, but it involves something dangerous that adults wouldn't participate in? Locke seemed more than willing to be taken down the hole, the light in the hatch glowed for him...have they seen that he is willing to risk all and therefore are welcoming him rather than having to "capture" him? perhaps that hole was one way into the hatch. or is it too late and am I too tired? lol. anyway, as always, i love reading all you guys! -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:07:42) Message was edited by: Rainnedropfficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 08:20 PM by: Rainnedrop (100 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 20, 2005 Okay, so when I typed my "brainwashing" idea I found the comic pages to Walt's/Hurley's comic. I checked out the pages dealing w/ the numbers. Sorry if this has been discussed: Page 23 contains a scene about a misunderstood "alien" who tried to brainwash two young men-but they are too strong to succumb. Page 15 mentions the "other" him (Others?) Most of our losties have "other" identities (sawyer/james Kate/take your pic Hurley/hugo) are the whisperers the "Other" others? Their "other" personalities? Think of a comic...most, if not all, superheroes have a "day job" Page 16 the "alien" says he has the "other" and has come for the "ship." http://www.lostlinks.net/comic/comic6.htm Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 08:44 PM by: Maetrena (85 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 26, 2005 I don't think that the Others' are sheep in wolves clothing. After all, they blew up the raft and shot Sawyer. However, the Others that we met really aren't the main bad guys; I think that they're just ex-con, disgruntled ex-military, etc. who are working for the main bad guys as hired thugs. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 11:11 PM by: cac120 (1127 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 ME, thanks for the dynamite research. I'm still not sure that the dynamite was originally in the BR, but that would be very cool if you have found the date it arrived. Dad: 2) Rafiot = Tub = Three men that took Walt and went off in the tub. I'm not yet ready to give up on the Rafiot being a whirlpool of sorts. Actually, it's integral to my overall theory. Dad: 3) Locke is the penitent. Boone was the sacrifice. Who is the avenger? Sawyer? Chen, have a good vacation! Thanks for letting us know you'll be gone. I think slave and convict ship have both been considered possible all week. ME's moving toward convict now and I'm actually moving more toward pirate. Here's Mme's clue about the packaging of the dynamite: ... the hole is NOT natural or part of the design. Take a look at it, and you will see it is below the waterline. Not a GOOD thing if you want to stay afloat. Was it put there by a cannonball ... . Take a look at that hole. Does it look round? Nope, that was cut into her for a different reason. Look at the shape of it for a minute. Look at the height. What could you do through that? Since the ship predates what you should arrive at, that means others have found themselves at the Black Rock. And by implication, not under the best circumstances. Now, the dynamite! Have you seen how explosives are shipped now? If you haven't, lets just say, it's completely different from a wooden box with red lettering. That was a popular way to do it with one profession that did use dynamite for a certain kind of work. And that work? Ties in to what the island is. It seems to you that not enough information is being given to figure things out, but actually, a great deal is being put forward. More than you think. Colors, shapes, everything is researched and accurate. The box is a big clue! String the words that describe it together in a search, and you will get a time period. It's a new one for your list on when and by whom the island was visited in the past, so you are going to want to pursue that one. How many others have found the Black Rock? How many others tried to unravel the secrets of the ship and the island it sits on before --- well, just before something happened? Good question! automaton: ...the woman who throws the fire bomb onto the raft is wearing a white stone around her neck. This possibly ties the "others" to the bodies found in the caves holding black 'n white stones. One of my speculations was that Adam and Eve's stones represented their children who were lost. Hmm... Why didn't the "others" in the motorboat just kill Sawyer, Jin, and Michael and then take Walt? They are probably assuming that they will drown so it isn't necessary. The other possibility is that they know the adults are Special too so they might need them later, if their experiment with Walt is unsuccessful. I think the reason for taking children is that their psychic abilities are stronger. Undoubtedly the Others have been watching and have noticed that Walt's are stronger than anyone else has exhibited. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 27 @ 11:12 PM by: lostintexasusa (192 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 01, 2005 We've have now seen the RAFIOT and we can now assume that Alex was taken the same way Walt was (since it was drawn on Danielle's map)...taken by three men in a tub (uh, plus a driver). They must be taking Walt to a nearby, smaller, outlying island..."other small islands" would also speak to the cable (they share a power source) and to the underground tunnels. It was said earlier that if we looked at the Dazzlers story by Jack London we'd understand WHY the Black Rock and WHEN it got there.....I read the story tonight and it's an adventure story written in 1902 about a teenage boy who is "bored" with his life and ships out with a group of "pirates"...not like peg-leg bird on the shoulder pirates but basically just theives. They travel the coast line off of California and steal things along the way. The primary thefts mentioned are: STEALING IRON that has been mined, stealing oysters and eventually a safe full of money that belongs to the father of the boy who ran away. There is a huge -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:08:05) storm, the boat is damaged, they manage to get back and the boy goes to his father and admits everything. His father forgives him and offers to help his friend that he met on the ship. fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> I think the nod to this book, plus the items that were on the ship, confirms the "mining" theory that you've all discussed fully. But I'm not sure that the mining was ever planned for our island or ever conducted on our island...the ship WAS a mining ship and I agree with the prisoner ship theory that has been discussed but I think the ship was "pulled" there just like our plane that crashed and Danielle's boat that crashed....you know how we've been given hints that "this has been happening for a long time"?? I think this whole "Black Rock is an old ship thing" is just to tell us definetively how long it's been going on. But I'm not convinced that at least one of the other theories related to magnets, energy, vile vortices, planetary grids and portals won't also pan out! SOMETHING CRASHED THAT OLD SHIP ON THE ISLAND IN THE FIRST PLACE, and THAT's what we have to figure out. OR perhaps it did intend to go there and "the bad stuff" started when it got there...maybe it IS the original source of whatever dark stuff has happened on this island and was not in fact "pulled" there like the others. It's all very interesting and confusing! But I sure like it! Thanks for letting me ramble! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 28 @ 10:26 AM by: atbchdi (103 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 11, 2005 bump Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 28 @ 10:39 AM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 we were shown this shot for quite a while - I'm wondering if an indication we're suppoed to take a longer look. http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=486&pos=178 . look at the enlarged version - do you see water coming out of the closer mountain... half way down... in two places? Normally I'd think this is natural, especially with Hawaii having a lot of waterfalls... but there are two places on that mountain were water is coming out, at exactly the same height, and almost look ilke water is pouring out of an opening... a pipe... perhaps man-made... as a means of eliminating waste of some sort... contaiminated water used in a nuclear reactor, or used in mining, etc... ? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 29 @ 10:16 AM by: ELMIRAGE (292 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Dec 08, 2004 I read that this scene was a computor generated image. therefore everything in it is on purpose. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 28 @ 10:51 AM by: OneisLost (201 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004 ) Locke is the penitent. Boone was the sacrifice. Who is the avenger? I don't know who the avenger is and A said that back awhile ago when we were discussing DEM and the mousetrap game but I didn't catch it until Locke said Boone was a sacrifice to the island. Went back and there it was. If you can point to anything that you have on those 3 would love the help. Cac, I agree. I definately see Sawyer in this role. Despite his best efforts, he's coming to care about these people. He has protected them over and over. He's not gonna be a happy camper when he gets back to shore and if he finds out about Boone, well... Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 28 @ 10:55 AM by: OneisLost (201 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004 Sure looks like drainage pipes to me, ME. Also looks like the pic on the map of the little island bump thingy (Raifot?) that was on the maps. Over to the left of the pic. Mme said they cgi'd this so it could be. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 28 @ 11:40 AM by: annipadanni (169 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 i have a theory about what was being mined... here in Texas, we have ranches. lots of them. we have feedlots. lots of them. the smell is STRONG and on hot summer days when the wind is 'just right' you can't escape the smell. some people say it stinks, say it smells like s*...others? they say it is the smell of money. money comes in many shapes, sizes, and (as it turns out) odors... what two things have driven men throughout all of history? money...and power. and how do men get power? by demanding it. and when men demand power from other men, what happens? they fight. and what do they fight with? weapons. Early Western gunpowder was called "black powder" because it consisted of a finely ground charcoal base, mixed with sulfur and saltpeter (potassium nitrate). Saltpeter was the ingredient that was most difficult to obtain, and since it is the major ingredient in gunpowder best suited for military use, it was the supply of nitrate that became strategically important. By the end of the 1500s, the standard formula for military-grade gunpowder was saltpeter, sulfur, and charcoal dust in the ratio 6:1:1. At this time, the only source of potassium nitrate was from rotting organic matter, especially rotting meat and urine. Every kingdom was desperate for gunpowder, which probably accounts for the continuing use of swords, pikes, and bows, long after firearms had made them technically obsolete.** Eventually a saltpeter industry grew up, based on artificial nitre beds, in which layers of decaying organic matter, old mortar, and earth were built up in a compost heap about a meter high, and sprinkled regularly with blood and/or urine. Nitrate crystals could be collected after about two years. Naturally there was no gunpowder left over for commercial purposes such as rock blasting in mining or canal building. Hard rock had to be excavated out by hand with hammers and picks and wedges, or it had to be fire-mined. By the 18th century India had emerged as the principal source of saltpeter. During the -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

abraxas1954	114#
Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:08:23) Seven Years' War the British defeated the French in India, cutting them off from this supply. It is said that the French had to make peace partly because they were running out of powder.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> *Guano is accumulated bird dung. It can accumulate only in areas with dense bird populations and little rain, but in those special environments it can eventually form deposits many feet thick. As it accumulates and dries, it becomes a dense organic material that is very rich in nitrate and phosphate.* Around the world, guano deposits are usually found on dry oceanic islands lying in the middle of oceanic upwelling regions that support very rich fisheries. Living off the fish, and concentrated in great numbers by the small areas of available nesting sites, literally millions of seabirds, each excreting about 20 grams of dung a day, can generate massive amounts of guano. *As far as we know, the ancient Moche people along the Peruvian coast were the first people to exploit guano* on any large scale, mining the offshore islands to support large populations on their irrigated coastal fields. The Peruvians began to try to export guano. Trial samples were well received in England, and the Peruvian entrepreneur Quirós put together a consortium of Peruvian, French, and English businessmen who bought from the Peruvian government an exclusive licence to mine and export guano for six years. In 1840 and 1841 they mined about 8000 tonnes of guano, and exported it, mostly to England, at an enormous profit on a wave of favorable publicity. Late in 1841 the Peruvian government realized that it had sold the monopoly too cheaply, and first negotiated a new deal and then nationalized the guano industry outright. It used much the same set of shippers as its agents, still leaving them a healthy profit, but keeping more of the proceeds. Eventually, enough guano was removed that a flat area could be carved out on one of the islands, and on a very unsavory foundation of solid guano were erected the headquarters for the Peruvian Governor, the British consul, the offices of the exporting companies, and the barracks for the laborers and the guards that acted as their overseers. Peruvian, British, and United States navy ships called regularly at the islands to make sure that operations were running smoothly. *Conditions were ghastly: the stench of ammonia pervaded the entire island. Probably the best living conditions were on board the dozens of guano ships* that were there at any one time (it took about three months to load a ship from the barges that plied to and from the guano islands). Even then, as guano dust billowed out from the holds, crews often took to the rigging to avoid breathing it. The "trimmers" working to balance the load in the holds were not so lucky, and could only work 20 minutes at a time. A ghastly array of occupational diseases continually thinned the work force. The Peruvian government used convicts, indentured Chinese, and kidnapped Polynesians as laborers in these terrible conditions. The Peruvians and Chileans practically depopulated Easter Island and Tongareva in this way, before international outcry stopped the virtual slavery. *By the early 1850s, entrepreneurs were prospecting for alternative sources of supply, and lower-quality guano was being shipped to Europe and North America from various Atlantic, Caribbean, and Pacific islands*. Meanwhile, in 1855 the ill-fated Alfred Benson formed the American Guano Company to mine some newly discovered islands in the equatorial Pacific, this time hundreds of kilometers from land, uninhabited, and rich in guano. Guano continued to be exported to Britain for a number of years at about 150,000 tonnes per year during the 1860s, but with the advent of nitrates and mined rock phosphate, the guano trade diminished considerably because the new products had a high and more reliable quality. In the 1870s the guano market crashed: tonnages dropped to about 100,000 a year, and petered out by 1885. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2005-19,GGLD:en&q=old+guano+caves governments hungry for power, others hungry for money...the combination created an industry that used CONVICTS and kidnapped innocents as SLAVES to MINE guano on EQUATORIAL PACIFIC ISLANDS (many uninhabited) in natural CAVES systems brought about by the VOLCANIC lava of the islands. SHIPS were used to bring the SLAVES and the MINING EQUIPMENT to the islands, and were used to transport the guano back off. the dates fit. the commodity fits. the damand fits. i wonder if we were shown the explosives for more than one reason...what if they've come full circle? back to the place where they were first discovered? as has been said many times and in many ways...one's man's trash is another man's treasure... Message was edited by: annipadanni Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 28 @ 12:16 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Anni, great work! I know you have already posted about how they mined guano on the islands in that area of the pacific back when we were researching for the most likely location of the Lost island in that area... but it wasn't clear as to why guano was being mined. That makes a lot of sense, and in regard to why it would be in such high demand. It might also indicate why the "others" might be still trying to mind some of it for their own use, in maintaining power and control. Perhaps the LARGE bird we saw fly off was also a clue as to what is being mined there. Now, to do a little critical thinking... no one has mentioned any smell or stench at all on the island. Is that because the island is now grown over more, and is not being mined to the degree as it might have once been back in the 1800's? And is your thinking that the government, or someone who know of the guano mining island, came and used the mined out cavities to build an underground research/experiment facility? We still have the hatch, and that was much more modern time than the guano mining took place. Anyway, thanks for looking more into the guano mining and the reasons for it, etc! Great find! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 29 @ 10:17 AM by: jbbrennan (66 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005 The guano post by Anni has completely blown my mind, the research you guys do is amazing! --jasmine Back to Top ^ Page(s) 14 << [ 1 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 ] >> Search Topic List Rules . Help . Thought about the boards? Notify host. Terms of Use . Privacy Policy/Your California Privacy Rights . 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abraxas1954	115#
Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:08:42) Advertisement fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> No celebrity endorsement implied. Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 28 @ 12:28 PM by: annipadanni (169 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 ME...the 2 waterfalls... they do look very close and at an exact height. very good thinking on the drainage. especially coming right out of a mountain...it's been discussed several time on this thread about something being inside the mountains (or what may be volcano's)...maybe even an Orion type antennae. if there is indeed man made stuff inside, then that mean there are 'men' and it doesn't stretch too far to say that they have created their own infrastructure of sorts to make it inhabitable. now, about the guano mining. i brought all of that info up to show the history of many of the islands in the general vicinity of our island. i don't know the significance in regards to gvts./private interest other than the knowledge of the cave/tunnel systems. and the fact that many of these islands were never inhabited...therefore being 'secret' and empty. about the smell. i thought of that too. but my understanding of what i read was that the disturbed guano, spread out flat is what created the odor...perhaps in the humid/hot island conditions. caves tend to be cooler... also, we've not seen many birds or bats lately...maybe the others who are using the caves/tunnels have exterminated them so that they are better used for humans? i just don't know. but guano makes better sense to me than gold or iron mining... Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 28 @ 12:48 PM by: Maetrena (85 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 26, 2005 Well, now we know that Locke might actually be right.. As for some more clues, I know that this has been brought up, but here's the full lyrics to Marley's Redemption Song http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/bob-marley/21829.html Pretty fitting no? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 28 @ 01:14 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 anni: ME...the 2 waterfalls... they do look very close and at an exact height. very good thinking on the drainage. especially coming right out of a mountain...it's been discussed several time on this thread about something being inside the mountains (or what may be volcano's)...maybe even an Orion type antennae. And anni, on Danielle's maps, on the one end, she shows water flowing out of two different waterways... she has arrows pointing out... to indicate that water if flowing out (or that's how I've always intepreted it). I always thought they were streams, but maybe she's indicating the water drainage. It's right near the "Dangerous River" area on her map. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 28 @ 03:14 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Just wanted to post mme's first set of post-finale clues where for us to reference and chip away at: Guys this is only the first list. There will be others, but to get you into the more indepth stuff that was buried, this one is a good starting place. Locke and Jack, the Black Rock, the Others --- it's all a great big rabbit hole. There, I said it, but what else would you expect! Use this as a way to highlight some things, and to clarify your thoughts. The next one in a few days will start walking you through the seasons easter eggs. Here we go: 1. Are you making your maps? 2. Make a list of the clues that you have on the ship. Why? Where? When? What? How? If you were watching, it's quite a list by this time. Pay special attention to what was in the ship itself, and I don't mean the skeletons. 3. "You like to play games, John?" "Absolutely." 4. Aaron. 5. Speaking of names, you should have found the etymology of the names on the show by now, and if you haven't, you should! 6. Nice life preserver, huh? 7. Do not be fooled by so-called "monster photos". They don't exist. Here is what does, out of this entire year, of the monster. Sound effects. One lurching shadow. Exploding trees, done with CGI. One gathering, and moving black cloud-like object, shown exactly twice. One fast-cam trained on a pulley that did show something on the talent's leg. Did you miss it? Go back and look, because literally, that was the ONLY part of the monster EVER shown. Want to know what that monster is? Listen. Watch. Think. You have been given every means to figure it out, and you can. Stop looking for "monster pictures". They don't exist. 8. Hey Jaters. There was more in there for you than you may think. I'll point it out if I have to, but you should what was being said there. Tell me what you need, and I'll get it to you if it isn't clear. 9. "Just let me go." "No!" 10. Locke, a man of faith. Shepherd, a man of science. 11. Sawyer. Just saying it. Sawyer. No, no, not the scene where the pretty boy was wet. Go to the back of your hand conversation. Sawyer told you more in that one conversation than you have been told about him before. How old was he? If his father didn't hit him, who did? Not a hero? What is a hero? And what -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

abraxas1954	116#
Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:09:07) is Sawyer's inclination in moments of crisis, which is when a hero is exposed. Does he run? Which way? Why? When the people on the boat show up, what does Sawyer do?fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> 12. Take a look at the people on that boat. No, I know you think you did, but do it again. Look and listen. You heard me. You were given a great deal of info there. Hey Cac! Someone here just pointed out to me that I might be too vague on listen to the boat people, so let me be very clear for you: -Ages -Races -Genders -Clothing -Accents -Familiarity with modern mechanics And so much more. 13. Nice boat, huh? 14. Man, that Jin. Has he got good ears, or what? 15. What do you think they used to blow up that raft? Wait. Think about your answer. You're on the island that doesn't exist. The island that, by example, no one gets off of. What are they using? Where do they get it? And if they have it, why not LEAVE? 16. "Boone was a sacrifice that the island demanded." 17. "And where does the path end, John?" "At the hatch, Jack. The path ends at the hatch." 18. Weird that there was no lightbulb in there, huh? 19. The inside of the hatch gives you hints. Yes, it does! 20. "The only thing is, we're going to have to take the boy." There you go, and have fun! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 28 @ 03:33 PM by: annipadanni (169 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 3. "You like to play games, John?" "Absolutely." Backgammon is a classic abstract strategy game dating back thousands of years. Each player has a set of 15 "men" that must be moved from their starting positions, around, and then off the board. Dice are thrown each turn, and each player must decide which of his men to move based on the outcome of the roll. Players can capture each other's men, forcing the captured men to restart their journey around the board. The winner is the first player to get all 15 men off the board. A more recent addition to the game is the "doubling cube", which allows players to up the stakes of the game, as it is often played for money. Although the game relies on dice to determine movement, there is a large degree of strategy in deciding how to make the most effective moves given each dice roll as well as measuring the risk in terms of possible rolls the opponent may get. Backgammon may be the first game to be mentioned in written history, going back 5,000 years to the Sumerians of ancient Mesopotamia. During the 1920's, archaeologists unearthed five boards from a cemetery in the ancient town of Ur. At another location, pieces and dice were also found along with the board. Boards from ancient Egypt have also been recovered from the tomb of Tutanchamun, including a mechanical dice box, no doubt intended to stop cheaters. The names of the game were many. In Persia, Takhteh Nard which means "Battle on Wood". In Egypt, Tau, which may be the ancestor of Senat. In Rome, Ludus Duodecim Scriptorum, later, Tabula, and by the sixth century, Alea. In ancient China, T-shu-p-u and later in Japan, Sugoroko. The English name may derive from "Bac gamen" meaning "Back Game", referring to re-entry of taken stones back to the board. risk 1959 Widely accepted as the first mainstream wargame, this older Parker Brothers title sits on many a family's dusty closet shelf. Players are given tons of little army units to place onto the map of the world. When it's your turn, you use your units to attack other players' positions, hopefully with superior numbers. Combat is a simple dice rolling affair that stresses attrition, and reinforments are given to players who collect sets of cards. Mouse Trap (1963)pits 2-4 players against each other as mice trying to navigate through a complex mousetrap. They build the Rube Goldberg inspired mousetrap as they move their mice across the board. They also try to collect cheese cards, which allow them to move other mice to cheese wheel which is the bait for the trap. Once the mousetrap has been completely constructed, players can attempt to capture each others' mice in it by turning the crank, which activates the mousetrap. If the mousetrap doesn't malfunction, the mouse is captured and out of the game. The winner is the last mouse who avoids being trapped. The main appeal of Mouse Trap is the ridiculously complex contraption that is the mousetrap. Somehow even young children can figure out how to assemble it from the blueprints on the board, and everyone enjoys watching it do its magic. operation 1965 This is a dexterity game in which you must extract silly body parts from a hapless patient. If you are sloppy, the patient's pain is indicated by a sudden buzzer. http://www.boardgamegeek.com Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 28 @ 04:31 PM by: annipadanni (169 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 6. Nice life preserver, huh? http://www.rfd.co.uk/rfd_Commercial/products/default.asp?familyId=11&categoryId=24&subCategoryId=&productId=9&reDir=1 MARINE LIFEJACKETS The Lifejacket for Ferry Passengers Features RFD Ferry Lifejacket Manufactured from highly visible, yellow, lightweight, PU-coated fabric Comfortable to wear whilst taking up the minimum of stowage space Easy donning -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

abraxas1954	117#
Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:09:34) Manually inflated, single-chamber life jacket fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Ideal for use in coastal and inland waters Standard Features Grab loop becket with over 180kgs lifting capacity Retro-reflective patches for minimum visibility Oral topping up tube for buoyancy chamber Compactly packed in a transparent valise i can't believe how hard it was to find this life jacket! i spent an hour searching and nothing but this was found. what does that mean? why is this so important? here is a picture of walt in his... http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=486&pos=401 Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 28 @ 07:27 PM by: OneisLost (201 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004 2 questions: If Arzt was 3rd in line at baggage check and Hurley passed him to get on the plane first and the plane was closed for boarding, how the heck did Arzt get on the plane? Looked to me too like it was snowing on that tub but, just around the old dude. What's up with that? Message was edited by: OneisLost Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 28 @ 10:11 PM by: lovelost2005 (3 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 10, 2005 I think Artz is still alive. I think he is just a person that died and is posing as a person on the island. I think they wanted him to die...someone....I think he is the decoy that was telling the people things about Walt. I may be wrong but that is what I think. He couldn't have just disappeared without a trace out of thin air unless someone made it happen. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 28 @ 08:46 PM by: Rainnedrop (100 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 20, 2005 Looked to me too like it was snowing on that tub but, just around the old dude. What's up with that? Glad someone else thought so too, when I first mentioned it, no one responded, so I wasn't sure if it was just me. "Just let me go." "No!" Another instance of Jack not being able to "let go" except literally this time. Someone here just pointed out to me that I might be too vague on listen to the boat people, so let me be very clear for you: -Ages -Races -Genders -Clothing -Accents -Familiarity with modern mechanics Accent sounds southern to me (American southern) Not a hero? What is a hero? And what is Sawyer's inclination in moments of crisis, which is when a hero is exposed In regards to Sawyer/hero. Heros often act without regarding their own safety..Sawyer jumped in the water to protect the raft, possibly not thinking of himself first. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 28 @ 08:56 PM by: mabelonvacation (286 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005 Hi guys! Mabel lifts her mask to show a flash of purple. Came in to leave you some hints, but you are tearing this stuff apart! One thing, and then I'll check tomorrow to see you have any questions or something I missed! Sawyer pulls the gun to stop them from taking Walt and gets off two shots at the bad guys. Sawyer is then shot in the uppper chest on his left side, and the kick of that knocked him unconcious and into the water. Jin jumped in to get him for that reason. Sawyer will drown, if the shot hasn't already killed him. Thought you might need that cheerful information! Hope your enjoying yourselves! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 28 @ 09:01 PM by: annipadanni (169 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 6. Nice life preserver, huh? ok, so i posted a page back on the THING walt was wearing...the life preserver. but what if THAT wasn't what was preserving his life? pre·serve ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-z?rv) v. pre·served, pre·serv·ing, pre·serves v. tr. -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

abraxas1954	118#
Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:10:22) To maintain in safety from injury, peril, or harm; protect. fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> To keep in perfect or unaltered condition; maintain unchanged walt is special. we don't know why, but he is wanted by creepy boat dudes...what if THEY were his life preserver? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 28 @ 09:06 PM by: Maetrena (85 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 26, 2005 Okay here's a complete list: 1. Here's what I noticed... everything seems to be in the same direction and fairly close to each other. Locke and the crew and Sayid and Charlie seemed to be following the same path. Also, more water... 2. The ship: - When? The late 1860s (due to the dynamite) - Where? I'm assuming that the original port of call was Portsmouth, England which is what's on the ship. Portsmouth was one of the ports used as departure points for prisoners going the Australia.... which you can read about here http://www.sag.org.au/ozsources/convictship.htm However, the ship in question doesn't seems a little outdated for the 1860s so I'm assuming that it was decommissioned from the British navy and was in private hands by the time we're talking about it. - Why? As already discussed it was likely either convicts or slaves from Mozambique and part of a mining expedition to find guano. Continuing the theme of the priest/ drug runners from Nigeria, I think that it was likely illegal. 3. Locke likes games of strategy... Backgammon, Mousetrap, Risk. This makes him a pretty valuable guy to have around; however, it also makes him very dangerous because he sees the entire island as some sort of walkabout, survival game and the stakes are much too high for something like that. 4. Aaron.. as Moses brother in the Bible. He's Moses spokesman to Pharoh and later he and his descendants become the Israelites first priests. We know now that Walt, not Aaron, is the main thing that the Others want; however, the name suggests that he's pretty important. Perhaps as part of Locke's "religion" 6. The life preserver is the type that they put on the plane in the off chance that there's some survivors. Generally, there's also rafts, but I'm not sure where they are. The most interesting thing about Walt's life preserver is it has instructions about how to put it on. I bet that's what is important. 7. The monster is a trapping system that the Others rigged up to keep the Whisperers and the Other unlucky souls who may have stumbled onto the island away from something.. The hatch perhaps? The "security system" was created from old mining equipment from the 1860s. 8. About their relationship in general or about their past.. Because the relationship stuff is easy to spot, Jack switching packs with Kate, the fact that he had enough trust in Kate to ask her to watch his back, the fact that he said he wasn't going to let the straws make decisions for us... As for their pasts, like say a certain SONG that has been driving me crazy, I didn't find any clues. 9. Jack believes that John Locke is complicit in the death of Boone, that he may threaten the group's survival and here's a perfect chance to let him just die. However, Jack doesn't take it because he has a problem letting go. Jack may have learned to accept some of his limits (he asked Locke and Kate to make sure he was going the right way... no more circles); however, that's one he hasn't learned to accept. Another interesting note, notice how Locke used the same words Boone did in DNH. 10. The ying and the yang, the Lock(e) and the key... The whole idea is that society needs both science and faith to function... Faith identifies life's greatest mysteries and science gives us the tools to unlock them. Also, it's pretty ironic that John Locke, the rational 18th century philosopher, is a man of faith and Jack Sheppard, the guy with the pseudo-Biblical name, is a man of science. 11. Ah so many Sawyer questions, so little time. Let's start with his conversation with Michael: We learned that Sawyer was eight when his dad shot himself and his wife, and that his dad didn't beat him, but that another male guardian (perhaps his uncle?) did. That whole conversation helps us understand a little about Sawyer's motivation for doing what he does when the "Others" come. Sawyer envies Walt and Michael and the relationship that they have and obviously wants to save Walt from experiencing what he experienced as a child. It's part of his redemption... And now on to what is a hero and is Sawyer one: I've always thought that a really good definition of a hero is someone who runs toward disaster while others are running away. That is, I believe, in a famous movie or book, but I can't remember what. Sawyer is a hero even though he doesn't want to admit it and he's always been. In the pilot, when they were trekking through the magical forest, he's the one who calmly shot the polar bear and he's the one on the raft who knows what needs to be done to save Walt. And for his fate: I think that Sawyer was shot; however, I'm hoping it's more superficial than it seems. I'm also hoping that we see Sawyer clinging to the Others boat and somehow saving Walt. Also, do you think that Mike thinks that Sawyer is with the Others? 12. The Others that we saw included A. Alex and B. three middle aged men. Alex was obviously taken by the Others, and the three middle aged men are the experimentors hired thugs. As for other information, they seem to be either Canadian or American judging by their accents (not sure which, I'm bad with accents). And they're wearing winter clothes and wools hats.. on a tropical island. 13. Have we seen that boat before in pictures? I think that perhaps we have. Also, the boat is kind of rinky, **** boat for travelling out in the Pacific for long distances so the Others are based on the island. 14. The boat must have been some sort of fishing boat or he must have heard something else in the distance... I guess you need good ears when you grow up in a small fishing village. 15. There's a base underground somewhere, now isn't there. 16. It was Boone's choice to go up into the plane; however, Locke had a vision and was the one who led him there and is okay with what happened. Here's more stuff about Locke and sacrifices: - Jack asked Kate to watch his back; perhaps since Locke seems to view himself as Jack's mentor, Jack's afraid that he's going to end up as the next island sacrifice. - Locke lit the fuse despite the fact that Hurley had not yet gotten out of the way. 17. Locke feels that once they find out what's in the hatch, then they'll have fulfilled their destiny and everything will turn out as it should. 18. Yes it is... How the hell did that thing light up. Could it be something like a search light. 19. The hatch door is sealed shut and there's no handle. However, there's an old ladder leading down somewhere. It must have had an opening with a handle at one point, but it was sealed shut for some reason. 20. Why do they want Walt in the first place? And how did they find out that he was on the raft in the first place? Either they had spies at the beach camp (then why wait to now to grab him... as Sawyer said, Walt pretty much was allowed to run wild) or there's a mole in the camp who knows what's up on the island -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:10:40) and either finds out some information about Walt and tells the Others or decides to tell them for a favor in return.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 28 @ 10:58 PM by: cac120 (1127 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 tex: We've have now seen the RAFIOT and we can now assume that Alex was taken the same way Walt was (since it was drawn on Danielle's map)...taken by three men in a tub (uh, plus a driver). They must be taking Walt to a nearby, smaller, outlying island..."other small islands" would also speak to the cable (they share a power source) and to the underground tunnels. I don't think we can assume we've seen the rafiot yet. Ada told us it's NOT a boat, and hinted that it's a whirlpool. I think Walt is on his way to the rafiot, but I don't think he's on it now. Ada also told us that those aren't three small islands, but "les trois lots." I think they are places on the island and one of them is where they're taking Walt. Does the Dazzler story give any specifics about the ship? Such as the date the story is set in? ME, those waterfalls do not look natural. They definitely look like pipes emptying. One: Also looks like the pic on the map of the little island bump thingy (Raifot?) that was on the maps. Over to the left of the pic. This view was as they were going up the west side of the island, which means that this crater is not the one at the south end, where we think the golf course is. This one could be near the X, which I think is the rafiot, but in the photo it looks like a small island. Danielle, or whomever drew the map, had a view of it from sea. Anni, interesting about the guano. This might relate to the 'eagle' monster I saw on Locke's leg. One: If Arzt was 3rd in line at baggage check and Hurley passed him to get on the plane first and the plane was closed for boarding, how the heck did Arzt get on the plane? That's when Hurley was sent to the back of the line. Arzt was way ahead of him. I still haven't seen snow. I'll have to watch again. Mabel, thanks for stopping in. I hope you're enjoying your vacation. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 28 @ 11:08 PM by: lostintexasusa (192 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 01, 2005 Thanks cac for the info on the rafiot...did not know we'd heard it was not a boat. Wow, that's a surprise! Also, on the "snow" thing...I really think those are just bugs attracted to the high-powered spot light on the boat. People have also talked about how everyone on the boat is dressed for such cold weather but I think they are dressed normally for being 15 miles out in the ocean during the night...even in warmer climates the temp drops on water, at night, in a boat, etc...I think they are just dressed for night boating. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 29 @ 07:49 AM by: gingerpeachypie (33 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 12, 2005 This discussion about Sawyer reminded me of his comment to Jack when he gave him the gun in the previous episode. "What am I supposed to do with this...put the boy out of his misery?" What if Sawyer was trying to shoot Walt? It doesn't mean he's not sympathetic to Walt, but what if he knows more (and we all know he does!) and thinks it's Walt's best hope - everyone's best hope in light of what could happen to Walt or them as a result of the kidnapping? Does Jack know more than we've given him credit for? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 29 @ 07:53 AM by: _Lost_and_found (159 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 11, 2005 Yea Arzt was 3rd in line in the medal detector, and Hurley did pass him, but than they sent Hurley to the way back of the line and Arzt was in front Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 29 @ 08:00 AM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 purple mabel, thanks so much for stopping by! Hope you're having a WONDERFUL vacation! Sad news about Sawyer though! Doesn't sound good for him! Sounds like he's definitely going to die - but I truly hope not! I LOVE that character! Still, this will allow me to prepare myself over the summer for the worst, though I'll hope for the best! Did you read my thread about Bird of Paradise? Would love your feedback on that! anni: i can't believe how hard it was to find this life jacket! i spent an hour searching and nothing but this was found. what does that mean? why is this so important? Anni, maybe it's important because if it's a life presever for ferry's, then maybe it's an indication that a ferry wrecked on the island! But HOW did they come across it for Walt? Were did they get it? Was it in the Beechcraft? It looked in pretty good shape. Was it the life preservers on Oceanic Flight 815? If so, why were life preservers for ferrys used on an airline? Is this an indication that thinks were fabricated on the airline - thrown together for this flight? Remember the pilot wings that were found under the pilot - they weren't current airline pilot wings... but were old. Either they were a momento of the pilots, or they were just using any old wings to pull off this flight. I never wanted this to be all contrived and orchestrated, and still don't believe that's what's going on... but... just looking at what this could possibly mean. Message was edited by: MEandthesea Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 29 @ 08:47 AM -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:10:59) by: Maetrena (85 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 26, 2005 fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Hey, maybe M is just throwing us off the trail about Sawyer... because unless JH got another awesome offer, I can't see them getting rid of him. As for the other questions about Sawyer, Jack, and the gun, here we go: - I don't think that Sawyer was trying to take out Walt; he was trying to take out the Others. It's just that he's such a bad shot that he missed. - Sawyer knows that something is up with the boat even before Michael, Walt, and Jin do. You can see his eyes going into squinty mode and him getting his gun ready when Michael and Jin are still in shot. Which goes well with the theory that Sawyer figured out more than he's letting on. - Jack, however, doesn't know more than he's letting on. He's good at reading people and their motivations when his judgement isn't clouded by daddy issues, hero complex, etc. But Jack is supposed to be the "normal Lostaway," the guy that the audience can connect with. So I'm sure that he'll find out about the island's mysteries a little bit after viewers start putting two-and-two together. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 29 @ 08:56 AM by: mabelonvacation (286 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005 Hey guys! I didn't say he's dead, I said he was shot in the upper left area and keeled into the water unconcious making Jin attempt a rescue. Does Jin find him? Is he alive when he does? Going to have to wait and find out. Nothing misleading there, only what you are deriving from the facts! The life preserver. The graphics should lead you somewhere. M, I'm going to run back and take a look at your BofP post. Back in a few minutes. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 29 @ 10:49 AM by: jbbrennan (66 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005 considering that Jin grew up in a fishing village, I'm assuming he can handle himself in the water pretty well and that he might just be able to "fish" Sawyer out of the water. It seems to me that Walt has a way of pulling what he needs to himself. --jasmine Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 29 @ 10:35 AM by: OneisLost (201 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004 re: Mabel & life perserver observations the graphic on the right looks somewhat like the island map, see the black spot on the left wrist? Could that be the "x" on the map. Is this graphic pointing to true North? The bottom pic on the left side sorta looks like someone using and auger or drill. Could also be a pacificer. giggle (I've had very little sleep.) The top left, which shows it inflated, looks somewhat like ME's plateus. Someone more intelligent, and less sleep deprived, will have to make the ultimate connection. Message was edited by: OneisLost Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 29 @ 11:51 AM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 mabel, here is the post from my BofP thread )http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=400437), in case it's easier than hunting it up (I just noticed it fell to the third page, and bumped it, but might sink again fast): In Exodus 3 (I believe it was the last hour), when Locke, Jack, Kate and Hurley were walking in the forest, right before they started to hear the monster (maybe right before or after that big bird flew off), Locke and Jack stop for a second and you can see a very bright Bird of Paradise flower in the background, behind them. Although Bird of Paradise flowers may be common in Hawaii, this is the first time I've ever seen a flower like that on the island, or any bright flowers for that matter. I was wondering if it is sigificant... if the flower, and that particular type of flower, of that particular color, was put there intentionally - as a clue? It was the only one in the entire scene... and was VERY bright red against all the green foliage... and a BIRD of Paradise flower, right when we see a big bird fly off (as I said, it was before or after). Thoughts, anyone? Oh, and didn't someone post of a synopsis of the "missing" scene that was aired on GMA, and it showed Danielle drinking out of what looked like an egg shell?? That would be a first on the show so far... So now we have someone drinking out of an egg shell, a BIG bird flying off (right before the "monster" appears), sounds of birds flying off right before the "monster" appears, and a VERY bright blood red Bird of Paradise flower in a scene with Jack and Locke, right before the monster appears. Hmmmmm.... Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 29 @ 03:28 PM by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 Hi folks, haven't been around much this weekend so I haven't had time to catch up yet so excuse me if this has already been said. The life jacket that Walt is wearing is from the plane. Whenever a plane has to -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:11:39) fly over water they are required to carry life jackets. They are in a bag under the seat. You put them on if the plane is going to make an emergency landing on water. You inflate them once you are out of the plane by pulling on the tabs that hang down. You can top up the air by blowing into the tube. There is also a light that is activated when the life jacket gets wet and a whistle to draw attention to yourself. The pictures on it are showing you how to put it on. The link shows a similar one.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> http://www.gouletaircraft.com/lifej.htm Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 29 @ 04:36 PM by: love2scuba (155 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 14, 2005 I watched the "snow" scene over and over. I'm now convinced that it is just bugs flying around the spotlight. The "snow" only appears around the spotlight. Everytime I've flown over water, which has been many, many times, the flight attendants always pull out those kinds of life preservers that Walt is wearing. Since it isn't unusual to have that kind of life jacket on a plane, then whatever is written on that particular jacket of Walt's must be the clue. I have very little time to read these threads, so I'm sorry if this has been discussed. Has anyone found it odd that right when Walt is steering the raft they hit a giant wishbone shaped log? Also, I noticed someone commenting that maybe Arzt didn't blow up. I've been joking to everyone here at home that Arzt didn't really blow up, because if you watch the scene in slow motion, he disappears before the big explosion. I was only kidding, knowing they had to get him out of the way before the real explosion. So are there reasons someone thinks he didn't really blow up? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 29 @ 05:31 PM by: cac120 (1127 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 ME: Remember the pilot wings that were found under the pilot - they weren't current airline pilot wings... but were old. Either they were a momento of the pilots, or they were just using any old wings to pull off this flight. Is it possible that those wings had been there longer? Could they have belonged to someone else? Perhaps it's a coincidence that the pilot happened to end up in a tree above where a previous pilot dropped his wings. I don't think the condition of the wings makes this likely, but it's another possibility. I also noticed that bright red flower. We haven't seen many of flowers. Don't tropical islands usually have lots of them? scuba, I don't know why people are saying that Arzt didn't blow up. It seemed very obvious to me that he did. Message was edited by: cac120 Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 30 @ 07:59 AM by: Lostrodamus (6 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 12, 2005 I haven't looked at any other thread, but did anyone notice when Hurley was running through the airport, he ran past a girls volleyball(?) team and their numbers were .... 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42. I know this has been brought up before, but how does Locke know Hurley's real name (Hugo)? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 30 @ 08:14 AM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 mabe: I didn't say he's dead, I said he was shot in the upper left area and keeled into the water unconcious making Jin attempt a rescue. no, no... i know you didn't say he's dead, mabel - thank goodness!! mabel: Does Jin find him? Is he alive when he does? Going to have to wait and find out. Nothing misleading there, only what you are deriving from the facts! oh, and i can't wait to find out! i agree with those who think that, because Jin grew up in a fishing village, with a fishing family, he'll be able to "fish" Sawyer out just fine, in the nick of time. mabel: The life preserver. The graphics should lead you somewhere. hmmmmm... interesting... thanks! mabel: M, I'm going to run back and take a look at your BofP post. Back in a few minutes. I copy and pasted my BofP post here, in case you couldn't find the thread. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 30 @ 08:34 AM by: annipadanni (169 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 good morning folks! mabel, how's the vacation? so, now that the season is over, hubby and i started a lost marathon last night...as i've said before, we've got all episodes, commercial free...we watched the 1st 5 back to back here are some things that came to mind regarding our 'monster'/security system... i may be way off base here, but i'm going to lay it out for all of you to disect. Ada has hinted at 2 seperate things. we now about the mining and Ada keeps telling us that it IS important. i don't know what they are mining, but the fact that it is being done, with mines/pulleys/equipment, etc. is where i'm going to make my point. it was very common to have tracks laid in the tunnel systems for carts/cars/trams/vehicles of some kind to manuver through them with ease...and to carry heavy loads to the openings, to either be wheeled out or to then be attached to a pulley/roap system to be raised up and out. sink holes are common in this type of environment, especially in limestone areas, which is what these islands inthe south pacific/australia/new zealand are... it is common practice in more modern times to use dynamite to blast into the rock in mining. i propose that there are tracks laid in the tunnel system and that the others use it as a way of transport...whatever they are mining/supplies/themselves. -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:12:10) in the pilot, rose and another man were talking about what they had all heard the night before...fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Redshirt...It didn't sound like an animal, not exactly. *Rose...That sound that it made, I keep thinking that there was something really familiar about it.* *Redshirt #2...Really? Where are you from?* *Rose...The Bronx.* *Redshirt...Might be monkeys. It's monkeys.* could the noise that rose hears remind her of the subways? it has been brought up before...a long time ago. but what was confusing me was the trail of grass/weeds blowing over in a straight line. here is a thought on that. so, what if it is some sort of an underground subway (primitive mind you) system? as the car/tram/cart moves along the track we hear the clack, clack, clack of the cog/gears (like on a rollercoaster) and then as it builds speed, and passes through (giving our closer/further sounds), the air that is passed over the vehicle is blown up through the holes and blows the grass and weeds? now, the second thing...the 'monster'...i'm beginning to agree with those of you are who are leaning towards the bird. i mentioned in response to ME about danielle having chain link fencing in her bunker. why would there be chain link fencing? to cage something. i am of the opinion that someone, at some time brought animals to the island for experimental purposes. i have been saying for months that what i hear sounds like cages/cells being opened/closed ...like the island locking down. well, animals are used for security all the time. now, i've never heard of birds being used...but what if there is some genectically altered freak of a bird being used as security? maybe it is caged back in a cave (guano? big birds make BIG guano, right?) and they unlock it's cage (maybe there is more than one???) and it flies out one of the holes (or maybe it trying to GET out, is what blows the trees up and out?) anyway...it flies out and goes after whatever it's been told to...or whatever it smells, hears, finds, etc. a bird talons would explain the crushed and punctured bodies of the pilot/shannon in boones hallucination/and even scott (or is it steve?). and the horrid sound, that accompanies it...like a horn/whistle combo...is that the 'whistle' or the command for it to return? danielle knew to stand under the banyan tree roots when it came. the bird wouldn't be able to get them there. birds of prey go after things that run, they like the hunt, right? so maybe that explains why it hasn't killed danielle and locke...they aren't afraid of it. but this last time...locke WAS afraid of what he saw...and by golley, it got him too, huh? we've heard the car/track sounds a couple of times w/out the 'monster' attacking. and then we hear it when the monster does attack/appear. so, maabe the cages that hold the birds are transportable to whatever part of the island it is needed...they move the bird and then let it out where they want it to go????? when we were being told about how ethan and the others could move around so quickly, i was thinking tunnels...but then we were told to look up. can the birds carry them around? are they that highly trained? another thought is that of ME's about the egg shell. it would make sense that a large bird would lay large eggs. and if there are eggs, then they are breeding them. when i think about all of the info we've been given regarding montauk/experiments/governments/mining/ships/explosives/cchildren/psychics....i don't really know how to tie it all in...and then there are the historical, literary, musical, philosophical, soceological, scientific, mythological and religious aspects and good grief, i REALLY get confused as to how to tie it all in. so what do you all think? as far as the noises go, the security system and the mining tracks? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 30 @ 08:46 AM by: annipadanni (169 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 one more thought on this....the polar bears. if animals have been brought to the island for experimental purposes, and they are being housed undergound, or iside the 'crater'/volcano/mountain...then they could have the polar bears in a cold environment. we know they've got power and we've seen the 2 waterfall things...very easily could be drainage from their interior infrastructure (plumbing, sewer) for human and animal uses. they could be moving the polar bears through the tunnels and letting them out where and when they want too. maybe they started with the bears to try to scare them, and when that didn't work, they brought out bird (s)? could also explain why the one guy had on a heavy coat...maybe he was in with the bears... danielle told sayid... maybe we're lucky and it's only the bears... Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 30 @ 09:47 AM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 anni: could also explain why the one guy had on a heavy coat...maybe he was in with the bears... yes, this has been my thought too - that perhaps they are living underground, where it's either refridgerated (which is how the polarbears are surviving), and why they're dressed warmly.... though I also agree with the poster who said they're dressed appropriatesly for fishing out at sea at night, when and where it gets cooler (though not sure what it's like on the open sea at night on the equator). Finished reading the Flysail/Claire story, and one thing that struck me is when one of the characters followed a dry river bed that ran smack dab to the big rock side of a mountain. He "looked up a tthe rock wall of a mountain, where the river bed ended. Without a source. Without a trace of water." My thought was this: 1. The mountain was built up by volcanic activity, which rain right to the river bed, and that's why the rock wall is suddenly there, or 2. The mountain/rock wall is man-made, and was placed right on the river bed, and the water is being diverted inside... or the water that formerly flowed off the mountain to feed the river is being diverted inside. I'm leaning toward the second option, though I know I gave options within options there... and still not sure. The surface of the rock wall of the mountain was very cold to the touch as well, which reminds me of the refridgeration angle. Even if caves are normally cooler inside than out... I wouldn't think the rock exterior would be cool to the touch - since the 90+ degree sun would keep it nice and hot. Again, leading to refridgeration... and very cold refidgeration if the exterior surface is cold to the touch. Though, keep in mind, this is JUST the Flysail/Claire story, which has no real connection to the show . 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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:12:32) Page(s) 14 << [ 1 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 ] >> fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Search Topic List Rules . Help . Thought about the boards? Notify host. Terms of Use . Privacy Policy/Your California Privacy Rights . Copyright ? ABC, Inc. Member Name: Password: Forget your Member Name?Forget your Password? Forum HomeLostLost: General Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 Replies: 1087 Last post: Jun 25 @ 08:29 PM by: OneisLost Search Topic List Page(s) 14 << [ 1 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 ] >> Advertisement No celebrity endorsement implied. Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 30 @ 09:37 AM by: mabelonvacation (286 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005 Wow! I like those thoughts, Anni! Interesting stuff! pppssssst. Look at the shaft itself --- the dimensions, the depth, the lining, the shape --- all very specific, aren't they? Hmmmmmm? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 30 @ 09:50 AM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 hi mabel! finally finished reading the flysail/claire story! Loved it!! I just posted some thoughts about it right before your last post here... relating to anni's post. Thanks for stopping by! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 30 @ 09:54 AM by: jbbrennan (66 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005 Yes, like an elevator shaft. The whole bird shaped "monster" thing has to do with Kate. I don't know how, I haven't really put it together but many of the things associated with Kate have to do with "flight". The plane, the eagle, the pilot's wings, how she was "in flight" from the law( or whatever)...I think there was a question asked about Locke's relationship with the "monster" and island, if that has changed. Well, many people have pointed out that he was much more frightened by this appearance of the "monster" and that the monster DID try to pull him into the hole. I think when Kate told Jack, (paraphrase) "It's the reason why I came" didn't that strike anyone as odd in ragards to the dynamite and that it might have deeper meaning? One other thing, I thought the stuff in Danielle's shelter looked more like mesh than chain link fencing? Because there are some parts where you can see (in the screen caps) where it is pulled out of shape. Although, I still think there is a slatted board in the scene where they are pulling the dynamite out of the ship that looks like the side of a cage of some sort. --jasmine Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 30 @ 09:47 AM by: SayidsGirl (1439 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 04, 2005 Bump! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 30 @ 10:18 AM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 One other thing, I thought the stuff in Danielle's shelter looked more like mesh than chain link fencing? Because there are some parts where you can see (in the screen caps) where it is pulled out of shape. I'd have to watch the actual episode again to be sure, but I think it looks like chain linked fencing that has been broken and bent out of shape in some places. Interesting observations about Kate and birds and flying, etc. Another think that occurred to me yesterday... in a discussion I had with my mother in terms of how we interpret meaning to a word based on how we're currently thinking about it. It was in reference to another family member talking about a hatch, and right away I think of the Lost hatch, so wondered if the other family member watches Lost. Anyway, thinking of "hatch" in different contexts made me think of different meanings of "hatch"... and, lightbulb moment... eggs hatch. I mean, why not call it a door, or a lid, but they chose to call it a "hatch"? So, maybe no double meaning or egg hatching reference intended.... or maybe it is. jbbrennan, I can see the thought about the shaft looking like an elevator shaft, except the sides looked smooth except for the ladder. No tracks or anything to pull an elevator up, unless it was pushed up from below by a hydrolics, and if there's a light on the top of the elevator (which meany do have), that would account for the light that came on in the hatch door... the light that Locke found. This would be why the ladder doesn't go the whole way down - the idea is the elevator probably goes up so high, probably to the height of the stairs, and if you have to get out for some reason - in an emergency - you can probably open a door in the top of the elevator car and climb up the ladder, and the hatch door would open from the inside. That is probably why the hatch was so covered up - there is probably little reason they have to use it... and/or maybe that elevator isn't even used very often. Though, since we did see a light come, we know that it IS definitely being used! Message was edited by: MEandthesea Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 30 @ 04:16 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 about the kidnapper's boat... I thought it looked like a lobster boat... the shape.. the size of the cabin.... the height of the sides... Lobster boats come in slightly different sizes and styles, but they all have more or elss the same type of shape. Here's one that looks a bit like the others boat - though it is NOT exact, by any means - just want to give an idea of what i'm talking about: -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

abraxas1954	124#
Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:12:57) http://www.yachtworld.com/privatelabel/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked_boats=1002460&slim=pp253878&fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> By the way, this is a "Beal" style lobster boat, and I just noticed that it's a 1960's boat... which I think looks much more like the "others" boat than some of the other styles, and more contemporary boat. The are still different types of Beals though. I'm learning this as I go - it's amazing in which ways we expand our knowledge base as a result of this show! Also, I read a purple response to someone's post who doubted the slave ship because of what they found re: Portsmouth, UK. The purpose response said that Portsmouth, UK is not the other Portsmouth port. The other well-known ones are Portsmouth, NH, and Portsmouth, VA. My first thought was Portsmouth, NH, but other posters were being drawn to Portsmouth, VA, so I went that direction too. However, Portsmouth, NH has a whole boatbuilding thing going on - Portsmouth Naval Shipyard (which technically is in Kittery, ME... just across the river from Porsmouth, NH. Portsmouth Naval Shipyard just got the ax, btw... with the most recent cuts). This is what I found: Portsmouth Naval Shipyard (PNSY) was established in 1800 and is the oldest operational naval shipyard in America. Technically though, the shipyard--named for its parent city just across the Piscataqua River--isn't geographically located in Portsmouth or even New Hampshire at all, but in Kittery, Maine. Geography aside, PNSY is home to some of the most sought-after workers in the country--New England shipyarders. http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0IBQ/is_1040/ai_113231400 I haven't found anything major about shipbuidling in VA yet. I didn't think the "captain" of the other's boat had a southern accept though, but I think some thought he had a slight southern accent. Thoughts? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 30 @ 04:26 PM by: Maetrena (85 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 26, 2005 I was leaning to Portsmouth, VA after Exodus I, but after reading about the type of trade that it was involved in, I'm leaning toward Portsmouth, England (at least originally). Portsmouth, England was one of the departure points for convict ships headed to Australia in the 1830s/40s so it makes sense that the ship may have been originally based there and then later been used to ferry equipment, prisoners, etc. from Australia to some sort of mining colony. As for it being an American ship, it really doesn't give sense given the time period (the late 1860s). During that time, America was too busy dealing with the aftermath of the Civil War and expanding into the West to really be worried about dealing with mining/ economic oppportunities in the South Pacific. It makes more sense that the ship found on the island is associated with Britain, the preeminent naval/ colonial power of the 19th century. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 30 @ 04:31 PM by: SayidsGirl (1439 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 04, 2005 Bump! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 30 @ 04:35 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Mae, as I explained, the only reason I was swayed AWAY from Portsmouth, England is because of a purple post. On another subject... Not sure if this has been posted yet... but about Montaigne, the chap in Danielle's team who was infected and then lost his arm... has anyone researched the name yet... Montaigne? I did... and oh... seems quite relevant - especially the quote below his name: MICHEL EYGUEM DE MONTAIGNE (1533-1592) "I have never seen a greater monster or miracle than myself." --Essays Montaigne is a great French Renaissance thinker who took himself as the great object of study in his Essays. In studying himself Montaigne is studying mankind. He attempted to weigh or 'assay' his nature, habits, his own opinions and those of others. He is searching for truth by reflecting on his readings, his travels as well as his experiences both public and private. http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/philosophers/montaigne.html Montaigne was born at his family estate in Ch?teau de Montaigne, near Bordeaux, in southwest France. His grandfather, Ramon Eyquem, had bought the estate of Montaigne in 1477, and thus gained the right to its name. Montaigne's father, a lawyer, had served as a soldier in Italy and adopted advanced views about education, which benefited his son. He had married Antoniette de Lopez, who came from a Spanish Jewish family converted to Protestantism. As a baby Montaigne was sent to live with a peasant family so that his earliest memories would be of humble surroundings. He was brought up to speak Latin before French. He received his early education at the Collège de Guyenne in Bordeaux, and then studied law at Bordeaux and Toulouse. He was a counselor of the Court des Aides of Périgueaux, in 1557 he was appointed councilor of the Bordeaux Parliament, and from 1561 to 1563 he was at the court of Charles IX. When his friend Etienne de la Bo?tie died in 1563 at thirty-two, Montaigne suffered the most severe emotional experience of his life. Thereafter he never had a close relationship. In 1565 Montaigne married Fran?oise de la Chassaigne, with whom he had one daughter; four other children died in infancy. After his father's death in 1568, he retired to the family Ch?teau in 1570. He lived there the life of a country gentleman, and completed in the following years the first books of his Essais, which reflected his wide interests and learning. http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/michelde.htm Seems like he had some parallels to our Losties - eccentric father, was "raised by another", and had a breakdown because of the death of someone close. here is a link to his "Essays": http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/texts/montaigne/m-essays_contents.html Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:13:26) Posted: May 30 @ 05:24 PMfficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> by: Rainnedrop (100 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 20, 2005 I was speaking with a lost watcher over the holiday who is a star trek fan from a long time ago. He mentioned an episode that has many parallels to our island. I am trying to find some info. on it...I missed a lot of the conversation but if anyone remembers I'd like to hear about it. Remember this converstations Boone: Boone to Locke: "Red shirt. You ever watch Star Trek? The crew guys that went down to the planets with the main guys? Captain Kirk and the guy with the pointy ears? They always wore red shirts, and they always got killed." Message was edited by: Rainnedrop Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 30 @ 05:31 PM by: love2scuba (155 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 14, 2005 I thought the chain link fence looked like netting to me. I'm glad someone brought it up that it looked like mesh, because all I saw was netting. Since the light was on when Locke looked into the window of the hatch, shouldn't he have known it was just going to be a deep tunnel. I wonder what he saw. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 30 @ 06:31 PM by: cac120 (1127 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Lostrodamus : I know this has been brought up before, but how does Locke know Hurley's real name (Hugo)? Arzt said Hurley can't keep a secret, so maybe he told Locke like he did Jack. Since Locke now knows his real name, I'm sure he must have recognized him as the largest shareholder in the box company. Anni: another thought is that of ME's about the egg shell. it would make sense that a large bird would lay large eggs. and if there are eggs, then they are breeding them. The egg Danielle drank was small, about the size of a chicken egg. jasmine: I think when Kate told Jack, (paraphrase) "It's the reason why I came" didn't that strike anyone as odd in ragards to the dynamite and that it might have deeper meaning? I think she meant that she was there to make sure Jack didn't blow himself up. He changed the packs for the same reason. She's been watching out for him a lot lately. And he for her. Ahhh..... ME: So, maybe no double meaning or egg hatching reference intended.... or maybe it is. Maybe it's an incubator. When the light was turned on, Locke hadn't been there very long, so either there had to be an incredibly bright light shone up from the bottom, or it had to be on top of an elevator. I like that idea, ME. It might also be important that the shaft Locke was almost pulled into, was about the same size as the inside of the hatch, albeit probably round. ME, the lobster boat looks quite like the Others' boat, but living on the prairies, I don't have much boat experience. Mae: As for it being an American ship, it really doesn't give sense given the time period (the late 1860s). During that time, America was too busy dealing with the aftermath of the Civil War and expanding into the West to really be worried about dealing with mining/ economic oppportunities in the South Pacific. There would be some out of work slave ships with crews at that time, though. They might have wanted to continue in the same line of work, but had to find a new, and illegal, market. "I have never seen a greater monster or miracle than myself." This is very interesting. Do you remember that an early discription of the monster by the producers was that it is a reflection of the self? Thanks for researching him, ME. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 30 @ 08:15 PM by: OneisLost (201 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004 Thought I'd add this to the mix. Was watching Croc Hunter today and guess what he had on there? The Wedge Tailed Eagle. http://teachit.acreekps.vic.edu.au/animals/wedgetailedeagle.htm I immediately thought this could be our bird. I haven't seen the secret clip. Was the egg Danielle was eating the same type as shown for this bird? Message was edited by: OneisLost Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 30 @ 08:32 PM by: jbbrennan (66 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005 ::2 eggs blotched with purple and brown markings. :: The egg she was eating (ugh..."drinking") was definitely spotted and brownish but looked about the same size as an "X-tra large" chicken egg. Thinking about Danielle has brought up a not-quite-so related question. If Danielle says (paraphrase) she and the baby were only together a week before the Others came and took Alex, and we see the Others on the boat and they are humans, but when Sayid is asking her (in solitary) if she'd ever seen any other people, she says "no, never..." and then, goes on to talk about the Whisperers, well, does that mean that she didn't see the people who came to take Alex? Who leaves a one week old alone, especially when she'd seen the black smoke rising up? Or, maybe she turned her back for a moment and they just popped out of a hole in the ground and swiped the baby? --jasmine Back to Top ^ -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:13:56) fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 31 @ 08:17 AM by: Lostrodamus (6 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 12, 2005 CAC: Arzt said Hurley can't keep a secret, so maybe he told Locke like he did Jack. Since Locke now knows his real name, I'm sure he must have recognized him as the largest shareholder in the box company. I don't believe Locke will have made the connection of Hurley (Hugo) Reyes being the biggest shareholder in the box company that he works for. That is not something that most employees know about unless there was some kind of internal posting on company literature. Maybe he now remembers hearing about a local (southern California) kid winning big in the lottery(?). Or maybe it just goes along with Locke's character of knowing way more information than he should, such as: being there to help Jack falling off the cliff (when Jack was way out by himself), having the perfect story for Sawyer (when Sawyer was off chasing the boar), finding the guitar for Charlie, finding the golf bag for Hurley (when Hurley was needing to contribute something to boost the moral of the losties), etc, etc. Jasmine: Your right, if Danielle never saw anyone, how did someone take her child?!? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 31 @ 08:40 AM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 lostrodamus: I don't believe Locke will have made the connection of Hurley (Hugo) Reyes being the biggest shareholder in the box company that he works for. That is not something that most employees know about unless there was some kind of internal posting on company literature. Maybe he now remembers hearing about a local (southern California) kid winning big in the lottery(?). Or maybe it just goes along with Locke's character of knowing way more information than he should, I think Locke actually has made the connection as Hurley being the owner of the box company, though I don't think Locke has any ill feeling about it. It's simply something he knows now. And Locke IS the very type of person who would know about that - he's the type who WOULD read the company memos and make a point of being up on who's who in the compay. He was the chief collections officer for the company... though clearly has a "boss" - the young jerk. At any rate, Locke didn't have much going on in his life personally - his closest friend seemed to be Helen, the phone chick. He was a quiet observer, and he found out a lot that way. He also had a lot of knowledge about a lot of things, and I believe he's gained that knowledge through both observation, and reading. He's one who would read all the newspapers from cover to cover. So, I don't have much doubt that he'd be the rare company employee who WOULD know who the primary stockholders of his company are. Also, if the lottery win made the news in Korea, it surely would have been a big deal in CA. Locke would have noticed, though never saw a TV in his room - but he would have read about it in the paper, I'm sure. The only thing I disagree with CAC about is how Locke found out. I think Locke found out from Charlie, right after Hurley handed Charlie his note for the bottle. I posted my theory on this thread after Exodus I aired, but I still feel strongly about it. Charlie was reading everyone's note as he put them in the bottle, and attempted to read Hurley's note twice, even though Hurley told him to not read it. After the second time, Charlie gestured as if he was going to put the note in the botte, but he didn't... not right then anyway. Someone walked by and Charlie ran after them about the notes, and you never see Charlie put the note in the bottle. I think Charlie did read Hurley's note (we know from Sawyer reading Hurley's note out loud on the rafter that Hurley mentions both his money and gives his real name in the note - it was the ONLY note Hurley read out loud).. I think Charlie then went and told Locke about Hurley's note... probably in sheer amazement. Though, who knows what else Hurley said in the note. Anyway, THAT is how I think that Locke found out. It was even the way Locke called Hurley "Hugo" - it was almost like he wanted to see Hurley's reaction - or as if he was saying, "I know who you are." Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 31 @ 08:44 AM by: SayidsGirl (1439 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 04, 2005 Bumpy Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 31 @ 09:42 AM by: jbbrennan (66 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005 Two thoughts this morning before I head off to work. After watching Ex. pt. 2 again last night, something hit me about Michael's conversation with his mother on the phone in the airport. He actually says: "Then, what am I supposed to do with him? He's not supposed to be mine; that was never part of the plan!" What a strange thing to say, when in all the other Michael/Walt flashbacks he is very much "you aren't taking Walt away from me..." (to his ex) Well, only time for ONE thought because I had to run and TiVo that quote out of the episode. So, I'm off to work, still scratching my head. --jasmine Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 31 @ 12:53 PM by: Lostrodamus (6 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 12, 2005 ME:I think Charlie did read Hurley's note .. I think Charlie then went and told Locke about Hurley's note... probably in sheer amazement. It was even the way Locke called Hurley "Hugo" - it was almost like he wanted to see Hurley's reaction - or as if he was saying, "I know who you are." After watching Charlie worrying about reading Claire's diary when she was taken by Ethan, and him telling Kate that Sawyer read Claire's diary ... I really don't think that he did read Hurley's note, especially after Hurley said not to. I do agree with you though, that the way that Locke said "Hugo" was like he was testing Hurley to see his reaction. Jasmine: I agree with you about Michael's choice of words when talking to his Mom. It would be very strange being in his shoes at that moment, but his choice of words is what was weird (I think there is more to it than is being talked about). Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:14:24) Posted: May 31 @ 02:04 PMfficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Lostro, I would agree with you about Charlie if it weren't for the fact that when Hurley gave the note to Charlie, Hurley told him not to read it, but then Charlie started to unroll it to read it right there in front of Hurley, pretty much ignoring what Hurley had just said, since Hurley had just said not to read the ntoe when he handed it to Charlie. Charlie had been reading the other notes as he put them in the bottle, and when when Hurley saw Charlie start to unroll the note in order to read it, despite the fact that Hurley had just told him not to read it, Hurley said, very firmly, "DUDE! Don't read it!" Charlie then rolled it back up, but then didn't put it in the bottle. So, that is why I do think Charlie did end up reading it. Of course, I know, I could be wrong... but to me, it all fits... and the way Charlie was reading all the other notes, and the way he ignored Hurley's first directive not to read, I wouldn't put it past him. On another note, I noticed on the Oceanic-air.com site... on that note that appears on the main page: Michael Orteig, President of Oceanic Airlines I looked up the name Orteig, and found something interesting: Raymond Orteig-$25,000 prize Charles Lindbergh receiving the Orteig Prize from Raymond Orteig Raymond Orteig emigrated to New York from France in 1912. He worked as a bus boy and café manager and eventually acquired two New York Hotels which were popular with French airmen assigned to duty in the United States during the Great War. In 1919 Raymond Orteig offered a prize of $25,000 for the first nonstop aircraft flight between New York and Paris. By the mid 1920's, airplanes had finally developed enough to make such a flight possible. The first aviators to go for the prize paid with their lives. Others were still willing to take the chance and Roosevelt Field became their headquarters. Several famous aviators arrived at the field and the public followed their plans with intense interest. Then in May, 1927, a new plane quietly flew in from the west. An unknown, young, airmail pilot, Charles Lindbergh, had arrived. http://www.charleslindbergh.com/plane/orteig.asp Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 31 @ 02:43 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 On the 2 cent thread, ELMIRAGE posted: hey, on the oceanic site you also see a copy of Kates transport papers. it has her picture and the name KATHERINE DODD... what gives with this name? http://www.lostlinks.net/images/oceanic/mugshot.jpg Well, I did a little digging and found info about a William Dodd whose story has some parallels to Locke... with the addition of an amputated arm thrown in (which seems to be a common thread or mishap in the Lost storyline)... as well as a tie in to child labor, which is interesting too - might be a clue: William Dodd was born into a poor family living in Kendal on 18th June 1804. At the age of five William was sent to work as a card-maker and the following year was employed in a local textile factory. William's three sisters also worked at the same factory. During busy periods William and his sisters worked an 18 hour day. Dodd's first job was as a piecer. As he was later to point out this work put a great deal of pressure on the "right knee, which is always the first joint to give way." Within a few years Dodd was a cripple: "My joints were like so many rusty hinges, that had laid for years. I had to get up an hour earlier, and, with the broom under one arm as a crutch, and a stick on my hand, walk over the house till I had got my joints in working order. .... *Dodd made several attempts to find a wife but he claims he was rejected because he was a cripple.* After being refused by several women of his own age a friend told him "that after a certain age women would take up with anything." He became friends with a woman much older than himself. In his autobiography he described how she reacted when he asked her to marry him: "I saw a slight curl of the upper lip - her eyes then began to descend, till they settled the intensity of their gaze upon my knees. At the moment, I wished the earth to open and swallow me up." After this rejection Dodd decided that he would "live and die a bachelor". He now moved to London where he looked for work as a clerk. Unable to find permanent work, Dodd was forced to do a wide variety of temporary jobs. In 1839 Dodd was employed by John Kirby as a clerk but by In the spring of 1840 the pain in his joints became intolerable. According to Dodd his right wrist now measured "twelve inches round". William was sent to St. Thomas' Hospital and the doctors eventually decided that he would have to have his right arm amputated. A doctor told him that "on dissection, the bones of the forearm presented a very curious appearance - something similar to an empty honeycomb, the marrow having totally disappeared." Dodd decided to write a book about his experiences as a child worker. When the manuscript was finished he sent it to Lord Ashley who arranged for it to be published as A Narrative of the Experience and Sufferings of William Dodd a Factory Cripple. Ashley now decided to employ Dodd to collect information about the treatment of children in textile factories. Dodd's research was published as The Factory System: Illustrated (1842). Dodd's books created a great deal of controversy. Dodd was attacked in the House of Commons as an unreliable source of information. Attempts were made to smear his character. When one M.P., John Bright, accused Dodd of "gross immorality of conduct", Lord Ashley decided to sack him. Dodd, who had been paid 45s. a week by Ashley, decided to emigrate to the U.S.A. He continued to write books and in 1847 his book The Labouring Classes of England was published in Boston. It is not known when William Dodd died. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/IRdodd.htm His first book was publishied in 1842... 42 is one of the numberfs. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 31 @ 04:13 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:14:43) This might mean nothing, but I noticed on the mug shot fax of Kate, that it was faxed on July 16, 2004. Wondering if July 16 was chosen for a reason, I did as search for July 16 and found these things in history that occurred on July 16 as well:fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> 1779 - American Revolutionary War: United States forces led by General Anthony Wayne capture Stony Point, New York from British troops. 1945 - Manhattan Project: The Atomic Age begins when the United States successfully detonates a plutonium-based test nuclear weapon at the Trinity site near Alamogordo, New Mexico. 1957 - United States Marine Major John Glenn flies a F8U supersonic jet from California to New York in 3 hours, 23 minutes and 8 seconds setting a new transcontinental speed record. 1969 - Apollo program: Apollo 11 launches off from Cape Kennedy, Florida with the goal to become the first manned space mission to land on the moon. 1979 - Iraqi President Hasan al-Bakr resigns and Saddam Hussein replaces him. 1999 - Off the coast of Martha's Vineyard, a plane piloted by John F. Kennedy Jr. crashes with his wife Carolyn Bessette Kennedy and her sister Lauren Bessette on board. All three are killed in the crash. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_16 Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 31 @ 05:59 PM by: LA5648 (55 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 05, 2005 Bump-shameless so I can find it later Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 31 @ 07:28 PM by: Maetrena (85 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 26, 2005 Here's something y'all seem to have forgotten about... Locke and Sawyer know more about the island and the people on it than anyone else does. Considering Locke's keen sense of observation, it shouldn't be a surprise that he would know Hurley's real name. On the other hand, it is kind of a surprise that Sawyer hasn't figured out more about Hurley and the other Lostaways. BTW, if Locke knows Hurley's secrets, what else does he know or not know? Because he seemed surprised when Hurley slipped and mentioned Kate. At least he acted that way. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 31 @ 08:04 PM by: godWhacker (1408 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 30, 2005 Haven't gone bak and dug it out. But Hurley referenced his real name once before. Pretty sure it was the cave collapse episode. I think Charlie was around. And in another thread we were given suggestions that Charlie was giving information to Locke while Locke was helping him deal with his drug withdrawls. This could be where Locke got the information. Now why did he use that name at that moment. It was definitely to send a message. I know your secrets kind of message... maybe. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: May 31 @ 10:22 PM by: cac120 (1127 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 These are not entirely my own ideas, but here are my answers to the whole thing. Guys this is only the first list. There will be others, but to get you into the more indepth stuff that was buried, this one is a good starting place. Locke and Jack, the Black Rock, the Others --- it's all a great big rabbit hole. There, I said it, but what else would you expect! Use this as a way to highlight some things, and to clarify your thoughts. The next one in a few days will start walking you through the seasons easter eggs. Here we go: 1. Are you making your maps? Lots and lots of directional and visual clues in the last four hours, and you are going to start getting an idea of just what you're facing here! The sea shot, by the way, was part CGI, so no one panic if Oahu is looking different these days. Yes. http://www.xs4all.nl/~arie777/lost/index.html I noticed that the Beechcraft is on the way to where Sayid thought Danielle took the baby, but I'm confused about where they found them, as the smoke should have been blowing North, but wasn't by my calculations. We also saw more of the coastline and that view from the raft. The raft moved clockwise around the island to go north. They referred to the compass at some point, Michael told Walt to aim for the cloud on the horizon. Presumably, this is North. Danielle's map: http://www.lostlinks.net/images/oceanicmap.jpg View from the raft: http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=486&pos=178 The island on Danielle's drawing looks like the small island to the left. If it is, it was drawn, by Danielle or by someone else, with a view FROM the sea. Also, if you look at the mountain on the right, there are two waterfalls which appear to be coming from pipes inside the mountain. This is easier to see if you enlarge the picture. 2. Make a list of the clues that you have on the ship. Why? Where? When? What? How? If you were watching, it's quite a list by this time. Pay special attention to what was in the ship itself, and I don't mean the skeletons. There are scary people out there. Caravel Snow - 16th-19th Centuries possibly originated in the Royal Navy slaves, could be prisoners -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:15:03) mining equipmentfficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> dynamite patented in 1867 holes in the hull -- large one to exit, small one for something else (scuttling the ship?) a Black Rock sail on the raft with a round hole in it Danielle used some of the dynamite to blow up her house. What else have she and other inhabitants of the island made use of? 3. "You like to play games, John?" "Absolutely." Hunting, Military game, Backgammon, Mousetrap, Operation John Locke's signature on the time capsule baseball -- was he Kate, Tom, Boone and/or Shannon's little league coach? I think he rolled by about the same time Hurley passed the numbered soccer team. Golf 4. Aaron. Light, huh? Funny how that keeps turning up, isn't it? Aaron also means mountain. 5. Speaking of names, you should have found the etymology of the names on the show by now, and if you haven't, you should! Make a list of the light names. You'll see what I mean. By the way, what came on in the hatch? There are easter eggs layered in every single show, many of which were never caught, or at least, not correlated. Claire (actually, it means clear) Noor (Nadia...it means light) Hugo (bright in mind and spirit) Katherine (pure...brings light to mind) Ana-Lucia (shining light...oops, I mean "gracious light") Aaron (light is one meaning) Sun...not in Korean, but the word in English (the Korean means "goodness"). Jin (in Korean means "golden") Steve means "crown." A "light" reference or a power reference? Helen means light More name stuff: Shannon means "little wise owl." What was that bird we all saw again...???? Nadia means "hope." What does Locke say is in the hatch? James means "supplanter" one who seizes and illegally holds the place of another. Sawyer's real name is James. Shepherd - watcher and leader of the herd! Tom and Thomas are both Greek for "twin." Are the 'light' people supposed to illuminate something? 6. Nice life preserver, huh? The graphics should lead you somewhere. http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=486&pos=401 ME and I were talking about this. She pointed out that the lower left picture looks like it could be a cross section of the island with a shaft that's been drilled through it. I think it looks like the crater of a volcano. If Alex has gone down the drain of the rafiot/whirlpool, then perhaps the Others want to do the same thing to Walt. This picture would then foreshadow his future. ME also said that the one on the right could be a top view of the island. It has the two plateaus and the volcano to the lower left. There are two streams, or those two pipes, that exit the north end of the island... which is on Danielle's one map, and look like those two straps. A large arrow points up the middle, through the valley. Perhaps this is where the Losties need to go. The top picture looks like the person is trapped in the life preserver. His body has disappeared, so that only his face if visible. For practical reasons for its user, the diagrams face all different directions. We are shown this person from several perspectives. As with the show, there is no one 'right' way of looking at this. In fact, it's impossible to have the complete picture unless you view it frontwards, backwards and upside down. 7. Do not be fooled by so-called "monster photos". They don't exist. Here is what does, out of this entire year, of the monster. Sound effects. One lurching shadow. Exploding trees, done with CGI. One gathering, and moving black cloud-like object, shown exactly twice. One fast-cam trained on a pulley that did show something on the talent's leg. Did you miss it? Go back and look, because literally, that was the ONLY part of the monster EVER shown. Want to know what that monster is? Listen. Watch. Think. You have been given every means to figure it out, and you can. Stop looking for "monster pictures". They don't exist. It's in one of the shots of Locke being pulled and the camera is being pulled along beside him at the same speed. There is something on his leg. It's only visible for two frames at the beginning of the shot of Locke that follows the one of Jack running down a 'passageway' toward the camera. The thing on his leg looks like an eagle with its mouth open. I'm not positive it is an eagle, but that's the best way I can describe it. It looks like a pale head with an open beak and a black blob of fur or feathers behind it. It's facing the same direction as Locke. I don't think you see it unless you are advancing frame by frame. I found it best to pause while Jack's running toward the camera and advance it frame by frame until it cuts to Locke. With my VCR, it's visible only in the second and third frames of Locke. There must be a connection to the huge 'owl' that flew up just before the first puff of creepy smoke appeared. Was it the parent of the smaller 'eagle'? 8. Hey Jaters. There was more in there for you than you may think. I'll point it out if I have to, but you should what was being said there. Tell me what you need, and I'll get it to you if it isn't clear. Jack accepted Kate when everyone else was shunning her. He took the dynamite because he didn't want her to blow up. When he realized there's a 'Locke problem,' she's the one he confided in and asked for help. Has Jack EVER asked for help before? -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:15:29) Kate went along so that she could carry the dynamite. She didn't want Jack to blow up and she's been protecting him in general for at least the last few episodes. Even before he asked, she had his back.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> These two are constantly acting in each other's best interests, even if it means going against each other's wishes. Ahh..... 9. "Just let me go." "No!" This echo's Boone's last words, but this time Jack's not listening. Jack doesn't let go. Locke isn't afraid to fall into the monster hole because he has faith that the island will protect him. 10. Locke, a man of faith. Shepherd, a man of science. The names are ironic, since the philosopher Locke was a man of science and a Shepherd is a religious image. History is full of conflict between science and religion, especially when society's leaders represent the extremes, as Locke and Jack do. I think this sets up a conflict for next season. jbbrennan: I have always thought that the flip side of "faith" is "personal responsibility" that when you put your faith in something, you are sort of rescinding bits and pieces (or all) of your personal responsibility. If Locke does not find what he is looking for on the other side of the hatch, Boone's death becomes--in part--his personal responsibility. This all leads me to agree with the poster who said Jack/Locke are two sides of the same coin. I'll just add to this that Jack takes responsibility for EVERYTHING, particularly deaths. 11. Sawyer. Just saying it. Sawyer. No, no, not the scene where the pretty boy was wet. Go to the back of your hand conversation. Sawyer told you more in that one conversation than you have been told about him before. How old was he? If his father didn't hit him, who did? Not a hero? What is a hero? And what is Sawyer's inclination in moments of crisis, which is when a hero is exposed. Does he run? Which way? Why? When the people on the boat show up, what does Sawyer do? Sawyer was 8 when his parents died. I think that his foster-father was the first one to hit him. Grandparents were mentioned by his mother, but we don't know if they raised him. He didn't respond to Sayid's torture; an indication that it wasn't the first time. In his line of work, Sawyer has probably had plenty of run-ins with loan sharks, revengeful marks and cuckolded husbands. In a crisis, Sawyer runs toward the problem. He puts himself between the danger and those he wishes to protect. He did this with the bear and with the Others. Sawyer was the first to shoot and got himself shot in the process. Possibly because of this, the other three on the raft were uninjured. Sawyer is a hero, but he doesn't feel worthy of the title. 12. Take a look at the people on that boat. No, I know you think you did, but do it again. Look and listen. You heard me. You were given a great deal of info there. Hey Cac! Someone here just pointed out to me that I might be too vague on listen to the boat people, so let me be very clear for you: -Ages -Races -Genders -Clothing -Accents -Familiarity with modern mechanics And so much more. The Captain - 50s or 60s (probably a bit older than Danielle), white, male, long beard, winter coat and toque, slightly southern accent, bad grammar, not an educated man, an experienced pirate. Could he be Brendan? Did he take the keys to the boat? Shooter - 30s or 40s (could be same age as Ethan), white, male, clean shaven (wasn't Ethan too?), warmly dressed, right handed, doesn't speak Thug - 40s or 50s, darker skin (maybe Middle Eastern), partial beard, warmly dressed, doesn't speak Pilot - 20s or 30s, white, female, blonde, warmly dressed, has on a large white pendant, right handed, doesn't speak. I think she's too old to be Alex. Familiarity with modern mechanics means that they have spent time in the real world recently. I've been asking myself why Mme addressed the update to this question to me. Then I remembered that the only other time we've seen such warm clothing was when Danielle put on her sweater when she heard the bears. My theory on that is that she believes that Alex has gone into a portal and that the arrival of the polar bears indicates the portal is open. When it opens, she thinks she might be able to follow her child to a place where she'll need a sweater. Like Danielle, the Others on the boat are dressed for colder weather than is to be found in the tropics. I know that Michael had just covered Walt with a blanket, but he, Sawyer and Jin were all wearing the same shirts they'd had on all day. Michael thought it was cold enough to cover his sleeping boy but NOT cold enough to put on a jacket himself. Yet the Others were wearing warm coats and even a toque. 13. Nice boat, huh? A boat that runs is certainly a novelty on this island. It could be a lobster boat from the '60s. Like the Beechcraft, it's too small to have arrived under its own power. All the other means of transport were not functional when they arrived, but it seems that the larger the vessel, the more damaged it is. I've posted before that I think O815 pulled itself apart as it tried to resist the pull of the island, whereas the Beechcraft was less able to resist and so was pulled to the island intact. Similar degrees of resistance are evidenced in Danielle's ship, the Black Rock and this boat. 14. Man, that Jin. Has he got good ears, or what? Jin's Special ability is his hearing. He's trying to tell them something in that scene. Does he sense danger and think they shouldn't attract that boat? He looks worried when they first pick up the signal. In fact, they all look worried at first. Michael is hesitant to shoot the flare. Again they look worried as the boat begins to approach. Maybe they all sense something bad. -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:15:51) 15. What do you think they used to blow up that raft? Wait. Think about your answer. You're on the island that doesn't exist. The island that, by example, no one gets off of. What are they using? Where do they get it? And if they have it, why not LEAVE?fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Fuel, probably the same fuel that is powering the boat. I suppose it's possible that they scavenge the fuel from the boats and planes that arrive on the island, but that wouldn't last long, even if their boat's motor could be made compatible to aviation fuel. We've talked about the power source on the island being a hydroelectric plant and there might be some coal mining going on, but those don't produce gasoline. So, they're making regular trips to a gas station, either on the island or elsewhere. We haven't had a question about the radar yet, but I noticed something odd about it. It's on for a few minutes and then the beeping suddenly starts. It beeps only two or three times before we are shown the screen but by then, the boat is already half way through the rings. If it were sailing toward them, it would have come into range on the EDGE of the screen, as it did when it momentarily sailed out of range and back when they set off the flare, but this boat SUDDENLY APPEARED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN. So, we have people with modern knowledge dressed for a different climate, a boat that's recently been to a gas station and their sudden appearance out of nowhere. I'm quite satisfied that all of this can only be further evidence for the PORTALS THEORY. Now that we've established that they can come and go as they please, they must have a reason to stay, or to keep returning. I think it's the experiment. Maybe they think if they can get it to work properly they can sell this technology to someone and make themselves rich. 16. "Boone was a sacrifice that the island demanded." I think Locke has come to this conclusion after that fact, rather than sending Boone into the plane as an offering. If Locke didn't believe this, he would have to blame himself for Boone's death. His faith absolves him. Locke understands the balance of the island. It takes when it gives. 17. "And where does the path end, John?" "At the hatch, Jack. The path ends at the hatch." What will happen to Locke if and when he finds out that the island isn't God? I think that Jack's viewpoint is more adjustable to the more unusual aspects of the island. Jack sees that the hatch is only part of the island, whereas Locke thinks the reason they are on the island is to open it. 18. Weird that there was no lightbulb in there, huh? Either the light had to be VERY bright at the bottom of that shaft, or it was on top of an elevator that was lifted up from the bottom. 19. The inside of the hatch gives you hints. Yes, it does! pppssssst. Look at the shaft itself --- the dimensions, the depth, the lining, the shape --- all very specific, aren't they? Hmmmmmm? It's small, possibly too small to contain an elevator. The walls are very thick and it's a square shaft inside a round exterior. The ladder is broken. Could it have been pulled down by something strong at the bottom? The monster? It looks like an escape route to me. Perhaps it was meant to be used if the experiment went wrong and the underground complex had to be evacuated. Since it's not meant to be opened from the outside, it's an exit, but not an entrance. So there must be another entrance. It's about the same diameter and depth as the hole the monster tried to pull Locke down. Is that the entrance? 20. "The only thing is, we're going to have to take the boy." Walt was the target all along. On the island, Locke and Vincent were always there to protect him. Vincent tried to go with him because he knew that something bad was going to happen. I think that Alex was thrown into a time experiment and turned into a Whisperer. Other children are missing and perhaps share her fate. Do they simply want Walt as another subject or is he more important? His Special psychic powers appear to be stronger than anyone else's. Did Danielle say that she heard the Whisperers say that they are going to take the child or did she hear the Whisperers say that "they are going to take the child"? The later would indicate that they overheard the Others' plan, while the former would mean that the Whisperers and the Others are working together. Since the Others are bad and the Whisperers are frightened and timid, it's hard to imagine them working together. However, it's possible that Whisperers believe that Walt can help them. Maybe they think he can use his Specialness to free them. Now that they have Walt, how long will it be before they come for Aaron later? There you go, and have fun! I did. Thanks again Mme. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 03:02 AM by: spygurl1970 (253 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 07, 2004 Has Jack EVER asked for help before? He's taken advice before and accepted help before(and in doctor mode he definitely puts people to work) but one specific other time he asked for help, a moment near and dear to Jater hearts , is when he needed someone to stitch the gash in his back up after the plane crash. And who did he ask? Kate. We always like to look at that as a little set up of their future relationship. Jack asks her help and Kate stops "running" for him. Crikey, in that case she literally did "have his back", she was sewing it up. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 08:49 AM by: chelle309 (44 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005 19. The inside of the hatch gives you hints. Yes, it does! pppssssst. Look at the shaft itself --- the dimensions, the depth, the lining, the shape --- all very specific, aren't they? Hmmmmmm? -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:16:11) It reminds me of what the inside of The Washington Monument would look like.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 11:34 AM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 spygurl: We always like to look at that as a little set up of their future relationship. Jack asks her help and Kate stops "running" for him. Crikey, in that case she literally did "have his back", she was sewing it up. spygurl, this also reminds me of Jack's speech to Sarah during their ceremony... when he says that he didn't fix her, she fixed him. Well, Kate literally DID fix him! IMPORTANT: The following poster "mabelonvacation" is a FAKE. She/he is NOT the "real" mabelonvacation. Please note the registration date. The FAKE mabel registered the name on on May 31. The REAL mabel registered the name on May 26. Disregard all posts from the FAKE mabelonvaction, including the post directly following this one. If you read on in the thread, it will be explained. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 11:41 AM by: mabeIonvacation (36 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 31, 2005 Hey guys, Ready for another clue. THis one has been hinted on already but take a real close look at the boat scene. You see four people on the boat or do you? Why only four? Where is the connection to Ethan in this scene? We see 3 survivors ending up in the water but who do you see surface. Take a real close look . HAve fun. Back to Top ^ Page(s) 14 << [ 1 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 ] >> Search Topic List Rules . Help . Thought about the boards? Notify host. Terms of Use . Privacy Policy/Your California Privacy Rights . Copyright ? ABC, Inc. Member Name: Password: Forget your Member Name?Forget your Password? Forum HomeLostLost: General Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 Replies: 1087 Last post: Jun 25 @ 08:29 PM by: OneisLost Search Topic List Page(s) 14 << [ 1 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 ] >> Advertisement No celebrity endorsement implied. Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 11:46 AM by: jbbrennan (66 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005 I thought there was someone standing behind the captain on the boat, and the little tiny flag is at half-mast, indicating a recent death. Could Sawyer and Jin have swam (swum?) to the boat? And, boarded it during the explosion? Oh rats, back to the TiVo box! --jasmine Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 11:48 AM by: pau_hana (244 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 This is like dejavu. I just quoted a thread in 2 cents where the possibility of there being more than 4 people on the raft was discussed. Will go and provide link. http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=398623#4066458 Oh yeah, and Michael surfaced. Message was edited by: pau_hana added link with screen caps Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 12:01 PM by: jbbrennan (66 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005 Well, OK, I have the the screen frozen on the spot, right after Michael goes in the water and Walt in already on the boat, you can see the shadowy outline of the two guys holding Walt, you can see bright yellow Walt, and then you can see a very tall figure with arm extended and a slightly shorter figure that could be the captain because head looks funny. All in shadow, and we know the blonde person who threw the bomb was still in the wheelhouse at that time. So, yes, more than four people. --jasmine Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 01:22 PM by: pau_hana (244 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 Jeesh, I wish we had tivo up here in Canada! Re: what is the connection to Ethan in this scene. I've had an idea for the last week but haven't posted it because I haven't worked it all out in my brain. Major points of idea: -Ethan is an other -Originally the others wanted Claire -Ethan gets killed in his quest for Claire -the others are not happy -if your going to take one of the others, the're going to need a replacement -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:16:30) -Walt is the price to be paid for the loss of Ethanfficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> What I like about this is that it implies balance. Balance is key on this island. What I don't like and can't figure out is what Danielle has to do with the abduction of Claire. If the others were after Walt all along, why was Ethan so obsessed with Claire? The writers wouldn't negate a whole story line would they? Notice I puposely left out any mention of the baby. We all assumed they were after the baby. What if they actually only wanted Claire? The baby might have been an added bonus to them, who knows? In Claires epi Raised by Another the FB's refer to the baby. What is the title of this thread again? Is it really Claire that should be raised by an other? Also of note: RBA and Homecoming bookend the story arc starting with ATBCHDI and ending with Special. While Ethan was off on his quest for Claire, the other others may have realized there are other fish in the sea. When Ethan didn't return to the fold, they set their sights on Walt. Another note: The six episodes starting with RBA and ending with Homecoming are bookended by the only two episodes featuring the whisperers. Did ya catch the whisperer reference in Exodus II? (and I'm not talking about Danielles explanation). That's O.K., Sawyer didn't either. He was so adamant that they use that flare. They were so excited, "It's coming back!!!". Around, that is. It'll come back around. I got the idea that this is not a good thing. Then Sawyer gets shot in a simillar location to where he shot Duckett. It certainly did come back around for him. So in the end, what goes around, comes around. Walt for Ethan, Jin and Michael and the watch, Sawyer and his revenge fantasy. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 02:51 PM by: CluelessLost (6 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 09, 2005 Re: the hatch They look in and there is a long narrow tunnel going down, but on the outside of the hatch is about 8 ft wide. So what could be around the opening? And, did anyone see what looked like scratches on the walls of the tunnel? On another subject..Did anyone ever find out the name of the song Jack was playing on the piano, which the purple lady told us was a clue? Message was edited by: CluelessLost Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 03:10 PM by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 pau, What I like about this is that it implies balance. Balance is key on this island. I agree with the island needing balance but I think the balance of Exodus II was Claire's baby coming back to the camp and Walt being taken away. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 03:21 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 By jove, I think I've got it! mabelonvacation: The life preserver. The graphics should lead you somewhere. Ok guys - about the images on Walt's life preserver... I finally think I've got it!! Constellations! It all comes back to constellations again - A. DID tell us they'd be significant clues! I was wracking my brain, trying to figure out how those "images" could "lead us somewhere", and then I thought... constellations! If you look a the boldest blackest lines on each image.. I think that might be what we're to see in constellations. I think I might have figured out too... but you can see what you think: 1. Image on Walt's right shoulder... http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=486&pos=396 ... might possibly be the constellation "The Crater" (not sure about this one, but could be... and the name fits "Lost")" The Crater is the goblet of Apollo. Its shape does resemble a drinking glass, slightly askew in the sky, which is why other ancient cultures also saw this group of stars as some kind of vessel. Its stars are generally fourth magnitude. http://www.dibonsmith.com/crt_con.htm The "crater" would fit the show. If you go to the above link, there will also be a link to an image of the constellation, which I think somewhat resembles the darkest lines on the iamage on Walt's shoulder. 2. The outer image on Walt's lower right side (our left, image closest to us in the photo) http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=486&pos=401 ... I think THIS one is pretty darned close: Mensa, The Table, is another of Nicolas de Lacaille's creations, this one named for the Table Mountain at the Cape of Good Hope, where Lacaille observed the southern hemisphere skies in the mid eighteenth century. The asterism shows an upside down mountain top. The mountain is seen right-side up in the Southern Hemisphere around midnight in mid-July. http://www.dibonsmith.com/men_con.htm So, where might this lead us? Well, "Mensa, The Table"... an "upside down mountain top" ... might lead us IN or UNDER a mountain top? And "The Crater"... might lead us to, the crater on the island (indicated on Danielle's map). So, under the mountain where the crater is? -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:17:19) Thoughts anyone?? Mabel?fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> If anyone can figure out the other two images/constellations, please do post! p.s. "Mensa, The Table"... maybe the "Mensa" part is an indication that our Losties are all geniuses.... maybe that is what makes them all "special". IMPORTANT: The following poster "mabelonvacation" is a FAKE. She/he is NOT the "real" mabelonvacation. Please note the registration date. The FAKE mabel registered the name on on May 31. The REAL mabel registered the name on May 26. Disregard all posts from the FAKE mabelonvaction, including the post directly following this one. If you read on in the thread, it will be explained. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 03:28 PM by: mabeIonvacation (36 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 31, 2005 Woww. You guys are further ahead on this than I anticipated. Great job! pau_hana:If the others were after Walt all along, why was Ethan so obsessed with Claire? The writers wouldn't negate a whole story line would they? THEY were never after Clair. Think of the relationship developed between Ethan and the Others and then the 4 Others and the Boat .Keep in mind that we have not established if there were only 4 on the boat, but we were led to believe this. The question is, why? J you make a very good point however again there are four key figures on this show, around whom all-things-island flow. Everything is based in the Quad! Haven't you read Boethius? Certainly there is a reason for those numbers, and the quad can be applied to it, but it has a very physical reason as well. Find the four, and you find the crux of the show. Where do you see the references to four pertaining to characters? Four is not only part of the numbers but is also the first in Hurley's numbers. Keep going. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 03:36 PM by: mabelonvacation (286 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005 Well now. That is quite the trick! To anybody who knows me, the poster above is NOT me. How they have managed to use my posting name, or why? I'm not sure. They don't seem to be causing trouble, but case in point, I know how spell "Claire". They are also quoting something that I posted to someone else on different thread. I will report them, and let ABC deal with it. Hope they don't turn into a nutcase on you, but just so you know, you should be wary of anyone posting with the mabelonvacation until ABC can track the IP. Sorry, friends! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 03:42 PM by: Dad_of_4 (2169 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 21, 2004 Capital I for lowercase l in this font. # of posts is discrepant as well. You should be on vacation. Stay on vacation. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 03:43 PM by: figment_ (1298 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 09, 2005 Likely someone using a capital "I" in place of an "L"??? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 03:50 PM by: mabelonvacation (286 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 26, 2005 Thanks Dad! I plan to not give this a second thought, but could someone get word to Cac that I have not posted to her or this thread in the last 24 hours, and that I cannot account for this person's need to "be others", but you cannot take any lead or example they have given you since the time and date they created that persona as true. It would take a load off my mind! I have reported the IP, ABC will deal with them. Thanks, Dad. I appreciate your help! I'd like to say have fun, but it's as redundant as my posting name! -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:17:45) fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> And copycat? I hope you are still in HS, as your grammar is not very good. Pay attention in class! Back to the beaches! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 03:56 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 mabel, I'll be sure to tell cac! Some people are unreal! I'm SO happy you were around right now to set us straight though. Anyway, was hoping you'd read my post direclty above about the life vest images... and constellations. Did I get it? Am I on the right track, or totally off base? Thanks for reporting that person! We'll be sure to pay attention to dates and posts.. Message was edited by: MEandthesea Message was edited by: MEandthesea Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 03:56 PM by: poo_bah (27 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 01, 2005 A wandering lad I once did know, singing Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 04:01 PM by: Dad_of_4 (2169 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 21, 2004 willow.... I'll whistle as I don't remember the words. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 06:56 PM by: Maetrena (85 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 26, 2005 Man.. that imposter had me going for a minute there. However, here's a point I want to make about Jack and Locke. Man talk about the similarities between the two. They both have daddy issues, they have some sort of tragedy in their past that we haven't heard about yet, and they even have the same given first name (John). They really are two sides of the same coin. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 08:18 PM by: pau_hana (244 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 Hullo! In all of this hullaballu, I sure hope my very first long episode titles post does not get LOST. I've been having those thoughts long before the imposter came along. Re: tonight Did anyone notice if the pilot had those wings on when he was alive? I invited the police over (incident in my back alley) and missed looking. Kate sure hugged that tree line after the apperance of said monster, eh? Good for her. Jack sure is special. "your not running any more". Sure we knew that was coming, but it's fun to hear with all we know now. I guess the part of Locke just standing around after the crash is in his eppy. Jack yelled at someone and then Locke was in there helping. Wrtiers leave openings. Gotta go. Daily Show time. See ya tomorrow! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 08:28 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Mae: Man.. that imposter had me going for a minute there. Yes, very annoying! I posted a notice at the end of my posts that appear right before both posts by the imposter on this thread, notifying everyone of the fake. Hopefully it will help prevent confusion. However, here's a point I want to make about Jack and Locke. Man talk about the similarities between the two. They both have daddy issues, they have some sort of tragedy in their past that we haven't heard about yet, and they even have the same given first name (John). They really are two sides of the same coin. Very true. I've thought about their first names being the same too, Mae! It's all very interesting. They're both very similar, but also opposites in many ways... or at least, different. Kind of like... they are both ice cream, but each a different flavor. Sorry, I know that's a real dopey analogy, but... just had a craving. pau, I hope my most recent longish post doesn't get lost in the hub-bub either! The one about the images on the life vest... I'll go look for yours. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 08:34 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Another note: The six episodes starting with RBA and ending with Homecoming are bookended by the only two episodes featuring the whisperers. Did ya catch the whisperer reference in Exodus II? (and I'm not talking about Danielles explanation). That's O.K., Sawyer didn't either. He was so adamant that they use that flare. They were so excited, "It's coming back!!!". Around, that is. It'll come back around. I got the idea that this is not a good thing. Then Sawyer gets shot in a simillar location to where he shot Duckett. It certainly did come back around for him. VERY good, point, pau! Also brings around the questions about fate, luck, destiny, free will, self-fulfilled prophesies... determinism... Great things to think about - and so many questions! Back to Top ^ -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:19:06) fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 08:41 PM by: pau_hana (244 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 Daily Show is over. Meandthe, Yes I read your post Re: the constellations. I loved it! I did alot of research into them when we were given the hint about everyone having one. I will have to check out their actual star lines and see if they match up. Even if they don't, great thinking!!! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 08:43 PM by: OneisLost (201 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004 Things I noticed tonight: Jack=black. Black thread, black label on vodka, black (something else I can't remember). Black Jack is also a card game. Type of poker isn't it? I think there was some speculation on this earlier. Jack put the bottle of vodka in his right coat pocket. His injury was on the left side of his back. Seems unlikely the bottle was the cause of the cut. (also since said bottle was intact after the fall ) In fact, the cut looked to me to be straight and surgical rather than a wound from shrapnel or falling on bamboo and such. It's also just above where Locke's incision was for the kidney business. He told Kate that he blacked out (oh! that's it giggle)during the decent but, in his flash back he was conscience. Unless we didn't see the whole thing hummm... Rose & Claire were the only 2 people to see/hear the monster on the beach after Jack/Kate/Charlie when into the jungle. Interesting. Why did no one else see/hear it that second time? At the cockpit, the monster was obviously walking. Long strides so it's big. Pilot was pulled up and "shredded" against the jagged edged of the wreckage before being totally lifted out. Where the heck is the one legged dude from the crash? Have we seen anyone hobbling around on crutches? I don't remember ever seeing him again. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 09:05 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Hi all! One more post, and then I'm off to bed... This is way off the current subject, but the reason I mention it now is because I stumbled across something while researching someting else. ANYway... remember Adam and Eve's black and white stones? Well, what if they are old game pieces to the game "Go"? I know many were thining Backgammon, as a possibility, but what about another game - what about "Go"? Look at this page, and you'll see why I thought it could be a possibility: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_%28board_game%29 About the game "Go": Go is a strategic, two-player board game originating in ancient China between 2000 BC and 200 BC. Go is a popular game in East Asia. The development of Internet play has increased its popularity throughout the rest of the world. The English name Go originated from the Japanese character ?? (go). The Chinese name ?ú?? w¨?iq¨a roughly translates to the "Board Game of Surrounding (Territory)", or, less literally, the "Enclosing Game". *According to legend, the game was used as a teaching tool after an ancient Chinese emperor designed it for his son, who he thought needed to learn discipline, concentration, and balance.* The son went on to become the first great player, a good emperor, and a balanced human being. Another suggested genesis for the game states that in ancient times, Chinese warlords and generals would use pieces of stone to map out attacking positions. Further and more plausible theories relate Go equipment to divination or flood control. See also history of Go. *Before the industrial age in China, Go was perceived as the game of the aristocratic class* while xiangqi (Chinese chess) was perceived as the game of the masses. Go is deep, as playing against any stronger player will demonstrate (depth of the game as established by ELO ranking in Go). With each new level (rank) comes a deeper appreciation for the subtlety involved, and for the insight of stronger players. Beginners often start by randomly placing stones on the board, as if it were a game of chance ?a and they inevitably lose to experienced players. But soon an understanding of how stones connect to form strength develops, and shortly afterward a few basic common opening sequences may be understood. Learning the ways of life and death helps to develop one's situational judgement. Further experience yields an understanding of the board, the importance of the edges, then the efficiency of developing (in the corners first, then sides, then center). Soon, the advanced beginner understands that territory and influence are somewhat interchangeable ?a but there needs to be a balance. Best is to develop more or less at the same pace as the opponent, in both territory and influence. This intricate struggle of power and control makes the game highly dynamic. History The origins of the game are unknown, but the oldest surviving references come from China in the 6th century BC. Except for changes in the board size and starting position, Go has essentially kept the same rules since that time, which quite likely makes it the oldest board game still played today. It had reached Japan by the 7th century, and gained popularity at the imperial court in the 8th. By the beginning of the 13th century, the game was played in the general public in Japan. If this idea and info has already been posted, then please forgive me! I don't remember reading anything about the game "Go", but... I don't read all the threads. And, to do a search of the board for the word "go" would be a bit futile. This game sounds SO "Lost" related, that if they haven't thought of using it as one of the "games" referenced in the storyline, they should definitely consider it! Back to my original thought - as I said, maybe Adam and Eve's stones had something to do with the game Go? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:19:26) reply fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> Posted: Jun 01 @ 09:27 PM by: pau_hana (244 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 You are freaking me out!!! I used to belong to a go club years ago! I actually thought it wouldn't be suprising if it showed up due to the blk/wht thing. I fully s u c ked at it. I only joined because I am good, no make that very good at Othello. A friend of mine was and still is a member. He's ranked and plays weekly. I should pick his brain re: stratagy. It's a war game that requires simple moves but a feeling for the big picture. I am detail oriented, not a big picture gal. Good-night meandthe! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 08:52 PM by: Maetrena (85 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 26, 2005 ME.. me too, chocolate chocolate chip (if you're going to eat junk food, you must go all the way). Now onto things I noticed from the pilot this time around. - Kate mentions her friend Beth is a Driveshaft fan. However, we know that Kate's been on the run for a while and doesn't really have any close friends. So who's Beth? I'm betting a younger sister. In the BTR flashbacks, we saw Kate receive money and a letter about her mom from someone so it seems that someone knows where she is and is financing her life on the run. - The monster sounds incredible mechanical this time around, especially considering that we have some idea of what it is... But I'm not sure if it was discussed how the airline co-pilot was killed if the monster was some sort of underground pulley/ transportation system. Was it another pilot that was decided on? - Could Locke not have been the only one to see the monster? Couldn't Jack have as well? After all, he was separated from Charlie and Kate for a while. - And what about Jack and how he ended up that far away from the rest of the passengers? Why was Rose seriously injured and he wasn't. (PS.. This is Jack we're talking about; based on his personality, I very much doubt he'd run away). Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 09:14 PM by: pau_hana (244 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 - Could Locke not have been the only one to see the monster? Couldn't Jack have as well? After all, he was separated from Charlie and Kate for a while. They say first impressions count. When I first saw LOST I thought it was a mini-series. So I figured they tie everything up right quick. Being the plot buster I think I am...... I thought there was something up with that. I fully felt Jack had seen the monster and was not revealing this to the rest. Now that I can look back on my foolish days of youth, a mere 8 months later, I think not. The writers may have intended at the time to imply that Jack had seen the monster. They then decided to leave the monster seeing to Locke, who at the time the pilot was filmed was not fully fleshed out yet. They have changed alot of things off the cuff, or so I hear. Alas! I am not the plot buster I thought I was Ah! For the innocence of youth again! Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 08:57 PM by: OneisLost (201 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004 I was checking out the boat pics again and the dude in the middle looks suspiciously like JJ. http://lost-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9947 Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 09:01 PM by: pau_hana (244 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 Rose & Claire were the only 2 people to see/hear the monster on the beach after Jack/Kate/Charlie when into the jungle. Interesting. Why did no one else see/hear it that second time? See? That's the part I missed because of the rukus causing bozo in my alley. I will watch again at 1:00 AM. Now that we know Rose is the compass and Claire is the light, perhaps this makes sense. I want to see who is excluded from this scene. What up with Locke and Sawyer? Or do they only notice stuff on an interpersonal level? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 01 @ 09:26 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 Mae: And what about Jack and how he ended up that far away from the rest of the passengers? Why was Rose seriously injured and he wasn't. (PS.. This is Jack we're talking about; based on his personality, I very much doubt he'd run away). Mae, I was thinking about this tonight as well, as I watched. I noticed he was right in the middle of that cluster of bamboo trees. I think it would be impossible to land there the way he ways and not end up a giant shish-ka-bob. And I agree, he would not walk away from the wreckage. What I think is that maybe he ended up landing in a more exposed aread, perhaps more in the jungle (where they each ended up has no rhyme or reason - i think we've realized that - since Charlie was in the bathroom during the crash, and ended up on the beach).... and SOMEONE moved him into the center of that cluster of trees to protect him from the "security system", which doesn't seem to want to harm anything that is protected from anything "of" the island. This is why Kate was safe in those trees. One thing I noticed is that when the "security sytem" appeared, I could hear that chain/clink-clink noise that sounds like a roller coaster going up a track, or like an old chain operated drawbridge being open, etc. And I also noticed, when the "security system" appeared that lotus-like sound that you heard with the weird black cloud in the finale (the one that Kate and Jack heard first, moving through the jungle - which I think looks a bit like a very dense swarm of insects of some sort). -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:19:54) I also noticed, in the Pilot, and other times, that the only time Kate looks truly terrified is when the "monster" is around. fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> I also noticed that in her first scene with Jack, she came across as rather meek and fearful. Ha! Oh, one more thing... someone mentioned recently that the hiking boots that Danielle was wearing in the finale looked a LOT like the new yellowish hiking boots the woman on the escalator was wearing - the woman with the long-dark curly, frizzy hair and dark green Burmuda shorts. I agree that they look like the new hiking boots Danielle is wearing. But what I ALSO noticed is... You see that woman on the escalator when Hurley is rushing past her... he RUNS past her, and then on to the line of people who he also passes. And guess what? He passes that SAME woman standing in line! It IS her - same hiking boots, same shorts, same shirt, same purse. The only thing I can say is that their hair might be a slightly different shade.... but it can't be a coincidence that they are wearing the exact same thing, with the same hair type, and same purse, in the same airport. Hurley PASSED her on the escalator, and then passed her standing in line! So, what DOES this mean? Were they TWINS? Were they both on the flight? I almost think she was sitting next to Walt in the airport too, when they were waiting, and I feel like I've seen her on the island, with the other red shirts, but I'm not sure. Ok, NOW I really have to get to bed. Have fun! just adding a smiley face to bump without adding a new post. Message was edited by: MEandthesea Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 02 @ 09:17 AM by: cac120 (1127 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Heres what to watch for when rewatching the pilot 1. To whom does Jack say "You aren't running now"? Kate. She stopped running when she met Jack. 2. When you first see Sawyer, what is his mood and demeanor? He has the same angry expression he had getting on the plane in Exodus. He didn't want to stay in Australia, he didn't want to return to Los Angeles and now he doesn't want to be on the island. 3. What is the first word that Charlie writes on his fingers? FATE 4. Revisit your first glimpse of the monster in action. With everything that you now know about it, what would have caused it to come toward that area that night? To keep the new arrivals on the beach where they landed. It's protecting the rest of the island by containing them. 5. During the FB on the plane, Jack stands up and begins to leave his seat. Charlie passes, then several Flight Attendants, and Jack sits back down in a seat that is not his original seat. Who's seat was it?? Where do you think the seat's occupant has gone? Slap says his hame is Harvey Wollstein. Is this from the Oceanic web site? The bathroom, like Bernard? Was the plane full or were the two seats beside Jack empty? 6. Charlie's right! Is that weather normal? No, it's created by some Special people because the new arrivals didn't heed the warning of the monster to stay on the beach. 7. Meanwhile, back at the beach, what do Rose and Claire see and hear? What does this tell you? The trees shake and they hear the low rumbling parts of the monster sounds. This means the monster has come from the same place to go to the cockpit. 8. When the shadow moves by the cockpit window, study the way it moves. Is that a gait? I'd say there is no gait. It looks more like it glides across, as though it's being pulled on a track. There might be a very slight rhythm to the motion, like a person walking, but it's hard to tell. 9. Charlie says that Jack came back for them, that the monster was right there, that they were dead, and that it is gargantuan quality to it, but he's never seen it? This is only Charlie's perception of the monster; he hasn't seen it. He knows it's noisy and destructive, so he thinks it was very close to him, deadly and gargantuan. Since this takes place after the 'all clear' whistle, it's more likely to be his imagination (which has just been helped by a little heroin in the bathroom) than the actual monster. 10. How did Jack escape the monster? Let me ask it again. HOW did Jack escape the monster? He dove into the bushes. Must have been another banyan tree. The banyan tree is an important symbol in several religions, being called the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge. sacred places: tree Of knowledge Can Liberate You siddhartha Gautam roamed in search of the secret of sorrow and suffering. At Gaya, a village on the banks of the river niranjana in Bihar, he sat in silent contemplation under a banyan tree. -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:20:20) He attained enlightenment there, and became known as the buddha. The spot began to be referred to as the throne of wisdom, and the banyan tree is now known as the eternal wisdom tree, the Akshaya Bodhibriksha .fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> The tree stands for inexhaustible life, and is therefore a symbol of immortality. With its roots underground and branches rising to the sky it symbolises heavenward ascension. The branches that hang down to take root in the ground symbolise the continuing support of merit through earnest devotion. In ancient india the acharya and his disciples would sit together under a tree, mostly a banyan tree, and endlessly discuss the mysteries of the universe. The upanishads emerged from such disputations. In shankaracharya's Hymn to dakshinamurti , the following verse describes this tradition: "I bow down to dakshinamurti, the teacher of the three worlds, who, seated on the ground under the banyan tree, grants knowledge to all the learned sages who have assembled around him. How strange! The assembled disciples were all aged, and the guru was young. The guru's sermon was conveyed through his silence, and all doubts of the disciples were cleared up." ultimate wisdom is be-yond the reach of mind and speech. Yamaraj explains to Nachiketa in the Kathopanishad: "This atma is not realised through long lectures nor through intellectual effort nor through listening to many sermons." The buddha experienced the truth of this saying in his own experiments. The truth dawned upon him in silent contemplation on the throne of wisdom under the eternal tree of wisdom. http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Sacred_Places/id/50508 No wonder they instinctively know that these trees will protect them. In western religion, it has more evil connotations, which can be read on the same page. Now I have to go back and read what I missed yesterday. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 02 @ 11:23 AM by: cac120 (1127 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004 Thanks for pointing out the impostor, Real Mabel, and for reporting him/her. ME passed along your message before I came to the board last night. Sorry I haven't been around so much as usual, everyone. That pesky 3-D life of mine keeps getting in the way. I got sidetracked again this morning and will have to come back to comment on the last few pages later. Back to Top ^ Page(s) 14 << [ 1 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 ] >> Search Topic List Rules . Help . Thought about the boards? Notify host. Terms of Use . Privacy Policy/Your California Privacy Rights . Copyright ? ABC, Inc. Member Name: Password: Forget your Member Name?Forget your Password? Forum HomeLostLost: General Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 Replies: 1087 Last post: Jun 25 @ 08:29 PM by: OneisLost Search Topic List Page(s) 14 << [ 1 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 ] >> Advertisement No celebrity endorsement implied. Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 02 @ 12:56 PM by: figment_ (1298 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 09, 2005 Hello All! I've been posting a bit over in the "Musings" thread lately after a bit of an absence...So anyone who wishes may stop over...Here's a copy of something I posted there that I think is appropriate to mention: From Mme's questions: 3. "You like to play games, John?" "Absolutely." Upon contemplation, this keeps bringing me back to Game Theory and Moral Absolutism...Is that what is implied in this dialogue? I am then reminded of that genius, Von Neumann, who was one of the initial developers of Game Theory...In addition, he's been implicated in the Montauk Project and Philadelphia Experiments... Also, I can't remember where..."It's all relative"...was emphasized...this reminds me, in turn, of what is considered the opposite of Moral Absolutism: Moral Relativism...(and Einstein too! ) Am I way off here? Message was edited by: figment_ Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 02 @ 01:02 PM by: figment_ (1298 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 09, 2005 Where did it go, George? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 02 @ 01:23 PM by: jolynne21 (1741 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 11, 2004 Just giving you guys a little bump! Back to Top ^ -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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Rank:none Score:10258 Posts:2737 From: USA Registered:05/28/2005 Time spent: 13864 hours	(Date Posted:11/15/2005 11:20:42) Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'> reply Posted: Jun 02 @ 01:45 PM by: figment_ (1298 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 09, 2005 Bumping once again... Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 02 @ 04:37 PM by: jbbrennan (66 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005 :::But what I ALSO noticed is... You see that woman on the escalator when Hurley is rushing past her... he RUNS past her, and then on to the line of people who he also passes. And guess what? He passes that SAME woman standing in line!::: I was the one who brought up about the boots! Yes! I DID notice her (or a twin??) in line, too as Hurly tries to jump the line. What can it mean? Hmmmm. --jasmine Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 02 @ 05:06 PM by: jbbrennan (66 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: May 20, 2005 Hi Pau (I always want to say, "I'm all pau for now" whenever I read you s/n!) I've been meaning to ask you questions about your long post about Ethan and Claire. I don't think Danielle had anything to do with Claire's abduction, I think she just came across Claire while "disappearing in the jungle" and while Claire was wandering around in a daze after "escaping" from Ethan. What if Ethan wanted Claire for the same reason Danielle wanted Claire, to trade her in for something that the Others had that he wanted. Of course, this would make him NOT an other. How long was Claire missing? Was it a week? Ethan had her that whole time and didn't get her out onto the boat or take her some place where she couldn't walk back? Doesn't seem likely. also, it doesn't seem likely that it is just a diversion because Ethan seemed so determined to have Claire. (trying to remember what he said to Jack, the first time they fought and what he said to Charlie, outside of "I'll kill you last.") And, lastly, Ethan is so strong (although beating up a doctor is not on the same level as beating up...say...Sayid) if the others on the boat were that strong why did they need so much role playing foolishness when they first approached the raft. All that "You don't say??" crap, when they could have just overpowered them, anyway? I guess I have many, many questions. Ummm, I also wanted you to know that I did read your long post. OK, I'm pau for now. --jasmine Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 02 @ 04:54 PM by: Maetrena (85 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 26, 2005 Hey here's some more tidbits to discuss, and they include season two spoilers... Apparently, Ana Lucia is the resident communist. Per a JJ Abrams interview, her leadership style is similar to Che Gueverra. I thought that Arzt was going to be the one stirring up discotentment among the "masses," but since he died, it seems like Ana Lucia is the one. There's even a website dedicated to a Cuban lady in jail whose political affiliation is pretty obvious based on the artwork on the page; I saw it when I was researching the name the first time, but thought nothing of it. That should make for an interesting dimension into the Locke/ Jack leadership debate (which I sure hope that Jack wins). Also, JJ says that the producers and one of the actors couldn't come to contract terms and that the person will be killed off in October. I pray that it isn't TQ, MF, or JH, but I fear it might be the last one because he's already in serious trouble. Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 02 @ 06:42 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 I was the one who brought up about the boots! Yes! I DID notice her (or a twin??) in line, too as Hurly tries to jump the line. What can it mean? Hmmmm. Ah, Jasmine! It was you! Sorry I didn't remember... but glad you spoke up! So, what can this mean? I can only think it must mean twins... there's no other way that woman could get ahead of Hurley and in line that fast. And it did seem like there might have been something slightly different about the women, but they were dressed exactly the same way, seemed the same height, wore their hair the same way, etc. And beyond twins, what does it mean? Well, maybe it IS a clue to all those questions about why Ethan changed his shirt while kidnapping Claire and Charlie... how Ethan got around the island so quickly, etc. Maybe this is a hint about how - because Ethan has a twin. Maybe the twin's name is... Lance. Isn't that what Hurley thought Ethan's name was when he was taking the census? Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 02 @ 06:44 PM by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 There's even a website dedicated to a Cuban lady in jail whose political affiliation is pretty obvious based on the artwork on the page; I saw it when I was researching the name the first time, but thought nothing of it. mae, i remember reading about that woman too when i was reaching the name when it was first released... though i had a feeling it would be significant. However, I didn't do more than bookmark the thought in my head until the show aired and we found out a bit more about her. I agree with you that there's probably a connection. bump. Message was edited by: MEandthesea Back to Top ^ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 5 reply Posted: Jun 03 @ 01:11 AM by: OneisLost (201 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004 -------------------------------------------------------------- -Brax

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