(This is not a clue, I just miss the old SNL) Locke lost him 15 minutes before they found the hatch. As far as you know, they are unrelated (Ethan and the hatch). fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>

What was Locke following then to find the hatch?

 Let's just say, he told you already.

Is there something on the island that involves a tesseract? And was it used for sure and successfully?

No one has proven to me that time portal experiments were successful, and if one has been done on the island (Don't you love it when I start playing Devil's Advocate?), there are clues that it was definitely not successful. That it failed, in one way or another. That whatever is occuring on island has been a problem before, and will be again.

Then what do we have?

Well, hatches don't just grow, Topsy. Someone put it there, and the unseen radio tower, and they did it for a reason. Here's the real question, why is no one asking the one person on the island who has had 16 years and a great deal of downtime to figure it all out? And why isn't she asking for help or offering it, other than refraining from shooting as the mood hits her? Why isn't she trying to find out why no one ever looked for her? Asking why there aren't ships and planes coming by on a daily basis? Why is no one asking her why is she hiding? Heck, asking her where her child is? Someone really needs to do that. Soon. Really really soon.

So have you been on a wild goose-chase?

No. I am just trying to bring you some focus, so that hopefully the show doesn't get frustrating for you, but you are on the right track. To give you more is to blow storyline, and then what fun is the show or the research? Gather the pieces, do some research, see what fits. When I see things fly too far off mark, we get you back in focus again. Am I going to stop you everytime? NOT a CHANCE! Think of the doors you've opened for people with the research you've done. It all contributes.

Is the series going to give you a Sci-Fi solution?

 Yes, and no. The producers have confirmed in many interviews with the media that it is both Sci-Fi and historical. I can tell you that you are going in the right direction. Will everything start making sense before seven years? ABSOLUTELY. The evolution of the story demands that you learn certain things as it goes on. Comments like "I made this birthday wish four years ago" and "Theresa falls up the stairs, Theresa falls down the stairs", and "Walt, do you wanna know a secret?" all mean something and they will make sense without having to wait seven years. But don't worry about the show getting boring. Once you begin to see the problem, you still have to find a solution. For everyone.

So what can we research in the meantime, between shows?

You're doing so well, not alot! There are some little things that seem to have slid by: Why Kalgoorlie? How Ethan moves around, although, I thought you guys did have that one solved? Some Danielle stuff. Some FB stuff. Little bits and pieces. Best I can do is tell you to rewatch and read the transcripts, but you have all summer for that as well. You think a couple of weeks is hard? Four months, starting in exactly six weeks. Not a drop for four months. Let the crying begin.

Das, 2 solstices, 2 equinox, but nothing to do with the story really. Sorry! Good research, though!

Hope that this helps!

Apr 10, 2005 04:34 PM

http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=406&threadID=314607

"Gulliver's Travels" is a book that has been discussed, and something that will be reflected in next season's plotlines. You're going to leave some of the current mysteries behind in the next five hours, and they will evolve into something else. Should be pretty interesting!

... it's a big part of what is going on! How they have crossed in the past, and WHEN. Wink.

Terq

 Apr 14, from the J/K Ship thread copied to Part 3, p. 17

Ada asked me to stop by and tell you that this next set of FB you see in Jack should not the last. There will be one more of that set shown in hour 1 of the finale, if everything makes it through post-pro. She didn't want you to think that the ones coming up Greater Good were all that you're going to get. Hope this isn't a spoiler I don't know how to make the spoiler things like they have at the lage. More Jack to come. That's the message. And more between him and Kate in the next two hours.

Platosbrain

 Posted: Apr 15, 2005 08:18 AM Part 4, p. 18

Ada sends her regards and begs your pardon for bothering you. She says to say again that all of them are special, and to give you this quote by John Locke. She asks you forgive her barging in to bore you and hopes you are having fun.

"If we will disbelieve everything, because we cannot certainly know all things, we shall do much what as wisely as he who would not use his legs, but sit still and perish, because he had no wings to fly."

John Locke

Apr 17 Part 3, p. 24

Cac mentioned that you are wondering about Kalgoorlie, and that town was chosen for several reasons. Yes, the mining, and by the way, have you come across the name Toomey in association with it yet? There is a historical connection! The name wasn't random, and it was meant to be something useable in the future storyline.

Also, Kalgoorlie is a few hundred miles from where the two men would have been listening to the transmissions coming out of the Pacific. They were leading you again to who has been doing things on the island. If you don't find what I mean, tell me and I will give you the name of the installation.

From the Are We Having Fun Yet? thread:

Questions To Look into for "Do No Harm", some clues and some just to help you work through what was important.

These questions are simply meant to make the show a little clearer for you, and to highlight some things that will be coming up again very soon and are important.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>

1- Take Christian's words to Jack by the pool, and reread or view his speech to Sawyer from Outlaws. Yeah, it's important.

2-Note what Boone is mumbling while semi-conscious in the first few scenes.

3-Look at the juxtaposition of Claire and Jack, but not the way that you think. Forget life and death, look at what they are doing and saying. In what way are they mimicing each other?

4-Hurley, Charlie, and Jin are the comic reliefs in a tragedy. What purpose are Sun and Kate serving? Who's pov are they voicing?

5-Blood, blood, all that talk of blood. Bad luck with Boone's blood type, wasn't it?

6-If I haven't driven you nuts with this already, look at the words to the song Heart and Soul, it was chosen for a reason.

7-Claire gave you a clue. Did you hear it?

8-Sarah's toast and Jack's vows

9-Looking for a tough one? Boone said in a different episode that John Locke quotes a philosopher, but it isn't John Locke. And it was put in for a reason.

10-Kiddo

There you go! Something to spend the next week on. Don't let it drive you nuts, this is supposed to be fun!

From the Key to Black Rock thread, begun Jan 17 and now gone:

http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=189714

Well, I have promised not to reveal the hatch thing, but no one said anything about the Black Rock and the compass.

I tried to leave gentle clues, but fear I am as subtle as the rock I speak of.

Run the terms "Magnes" and "Black Rock" together. WINK.

If this isn't censored, you will have a very fun time for the next few days.

I have built a raft, and am sailing to the northside of the island for a few days. Be kind to one another. Help, don't hurt whenever possible. Admire Banshee from afar, she deserves it.

Love the people you love while you can. Tell them you love them often while you can.

Have fun!

Oh, and next not-so subtle clue:

What is Locke looking for?

Platosbrain:

Ada has asked me to clarify for her:

The legend of Magnes, the Sheep herder. The term "Black rock". Be sure to read the superstitions that the Greeks observed on this subject.

Also, "1001 Arabian Nights", with reference to the "magnetic mountain". She states do not be mislead, and you may have to go to the original story and read it first hand.

You will find the the secret of the island, and the reason for the plane's disintegration.

It will also give you hint as to what Locke is watching for.

Platosbrain:

The story of the magnetic mountain from 1001 Arabian Nights will explain what happened to Danielle's ship.

http://www.candlelightstories.com/arabianpage.asp

Plato:

She says if you have found Magnetite, run that term with "bacteria" and see what you find. Notice especially where is germinates.

By the by, Ada doesn't use a compass. We like test her from time to time, but on the islands she was taught to use the water, the stars and the position of the sun. We have tried to stump her, but so far no luck.

 Platosbrain

slpy, I was just reading posts. The window is recessed. Look at the shot where Locke is first mixing the KavaKava. Boone passes the window, and you get a clear side shot. The left side (or top of the hatch window, viewed from the side) is about 2 inches. The right side (or botton othe the hatch window, viewed from the side) is only 1 inch. When we tracked the window, it was used on Apollo missions before Apollo 6. Ada was trying to lead everyone to the Apollo aircraft.

She wanted me to say again that this could be simple coincidence. We have nothing to make a connection to space aircraft yet other than this, and it could be that the window is just a prop that was convenient for the show to use. Ada decided to break her own rule (do not release unsubstantiated information) because so many people were discussing the hatch, and it may indicate something. Am I being coherent?

 Platosbrain

Slpy, there you are. MV-1, and that link is the one that we first found.

We truly don't know what it all means, but you are about where we are now. Certain clues seem to be holding promise, and it is becoming obvious to us that each episode holds at least one clue to each one of the different island mysteries: phenomena, island source, Claire's disappearance, and such.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>

We hope that all of this is of a help to you and not a strain, but the information that you have culled on this thread is a wonderful help to all of us. Jean-Luc has been flying all afternoon going through your research.

 Platosbrain

What does it mean, non? We have no bloody idea whatsoever. Only the writers and producers know for sure. We had a suspicion that the black rock might be magnetite a while back (November, I believe) but it wasn't until Sayid's compass that Ada sat up and shrieked "Dear Freaking Zeno, it's Lucretius and the De Rerum Natura, Book VI".

It took the rest of us a minute to catch up, and then of course it's all been tumbling since then. No one can say at this point where they are going with all of this and even if in the end it will point to a final solution, or just a distration that the writers threw in. But Ada thought you might enjoy having some extra pieces to some of the Lost puzzle.

hellolost

Ada gave us another clue. Look up the bird from last nights episode. it has to do with Walt and Claires baby.

Ummm. I think it was a bronze cuckoo bird. Anyone else remember what it was? I would like to look it up.

she_lost_colo

I'm going to add something that Ada posted on another thread:

http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=70&threadID=199941

"Great stuff, but with a BIG warning!

Don't look for a single story to fit all of the time periods and all of the history!

We made that mistake for the first three months, and then we realized that they DON'T match.

I said it before, and I'll say it again (Lily Tomlin, right?): The island has a contiguous history of only about 50 years so far, but NONE of the historical influences match.

There was Adam and Eve, but so far NO correlation to another time period. No sign that anyone, but Jack, ever thought of burying these people or of disturbing the cave. No one was searching for them.

The hatch is your second time period. Dated to the late 50's, but more likely the early 60's (that's all I can say, phwet!).

The third time period, that we are CURRENTLY aware of, is the ship of scientists with whom Danielle was traveling.

The fourth time period is our LOST band of survivors.

They have NO connection that we can find at this time, so you have to assume, when 4 out of 4 happenings appear to have no correlation but where they are, that there is NO correlation to be found but geography.

Maybe that will change, but for right now, be aware, there are 4 separate stories going on here."

PoorWayFaringStranger

Garbage.

It's just my job.

But if I were looking into this whole Black Rock thing, I would look at what force field (not scifi, real live do-able science) could be created on an island that contained a great deal of magnetic rock. Something that was a power source for, oh, I don't know, lights, transmissions, and mining. Something that could be turned on and off. Something that could interfere with somethings flying capabilities.

Or the garbage system.

From the Spoilerish: Ada a Question thread:

http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=0&threadID=199941

here is one blanket story that they are using as a sort of umbrella, and it has to do with something that was occuring on the island 50-60 years ago.

watch for the hatch story, because you get pieces of the main theme to the island from it. In other words, the steel thing that Locke and Boone found will lead eventually to a major island key.

 Adawhen Re: Spoilerish::Ada a question

 Posted: Jan 24, 2005 08:34 AM

Danielle speaks French. We don't know where she is from, or if that is her native language.

We have only one indication of who Rousseau may have worked for. One item, so to speak.

Radiation poisoning has quick, and devestating effects. Danielle would have said radiation poisoning if that was what she had seen. She doesn't seem to have identified what altered people.

Nuclear testing was NOT conducted by France in the South Seas in the 1950's, but starting in 1946, a great deal of testing WAS being done in the area, and not just nuclear.

Does any of that help?

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 Posted: Jan 24, 2005 09:04 AM

BIG OLD CLUE: On what item did we learn the name Rousseau (which by the way, Danielle never confirmed was her name. She said it was her jacket, and after 16 years, yeah, I'd say she could call it that --- But she has never said "My name is Danielle Rousseau")? What is the origin of the jacket?

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 Posted: Jan 24, 2005 09:36 AM

Adam and Eve are the oldest thing that we have down as well, and again, that's weird. Not the norm for an island in that area. Oversight by the show? Probably, but we keep watching for more.

Adawhen Re: Spoilerish::Ada a question

 Posted: Jan 24, 2005 01:20 PM

Great stuff, but with a BIG warning!

Don't look for a single story to fit all of the time periods and all of the history!

We made that mistake for the firt three months, and then we realized that they DON'T match.

I said it before, and I'll say it again (Lily Tomlin, right?): The island has a contiguous history of only about 50 years so far, but NONE of the historical influences match.

There was Adam and Eve, but so for NO correlation to another time period. No sign that anyone, but Jack, ever thought of burying these people or of disturbing the cave. No one was searching for them.

The hatch is your second time period. Dated to the late 50's, but more likely the early 60's (that's all I can say, phwet!).

The third time period, that we are CURRENTLY aware of, is the ship of scientists with whom Danielle was traveling.

The fourth time period is our LOST band of survivors.

They have NO connection that we can find at this time, so you have to assume, when 4 out of 4 happenings appear to have no correlation but where they are, that there is NO correlation to be found but geography.

Maybe that will change, but for right now, be aware, there are 4 seperate stories going on here.

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 Posted: Jan 24, 2005 02:55 PM

The one common denominator, and the only tie between all of the passengers that we have been able to find, is that they were all in Sydney at the same time, at least for a short time.

The only connective between the passengers (that we know at this time) is Australia.

From the Island history and dual broadcasts thread:

http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=338752

Brain, thanks for talking LOST!

That was very interesting!!!

How did you arrive at the number 9 for the first group of scientists? Just wondering what made you think of the number. Also, where are the 7 others? Do you think they will be found?

The scientists in the 80's was very good! Danielle seems to think that someone she knew by name was not with her group when they became ill. His name was Brendan, and he had the keys. The keys to what? Good question! But she does indicate that the Others were the carriers, and that They are in control of the Tower and the power now. Who the Others and They are? We don't know. Are they the same group? Don't know that one either! But just some things to keep in the back of your mind.

The Nigerian plane has never been given a timeline other than Locke stating that their clothing has corroded between 2-10 years. And do we know they all died?

These survivors have been struggling right along with you to figure out what is going on on this island! What they don't know yet, is that there is a reason that they are there.

Keep working on this theory! It is a great one, and very thought provoking. I can see that you have thought through the details, and done a great job of it as well!

Here's a little list to help. I can't give you whole one until the show is done airing the first season, as some viewers are still noticing clues, but this partial may give you some things to look at again. And Brian, thanks again for sharing! That was great!

Myths of the Island

Claire's Baby

-Psychic said "This child parented by anyone else, anyone other than you. . . danger surrounds this baby. . .

Your nature, your spirit, your goodness, must be an influence in the development of this child....There is no happy life. Not for this child, not without you.....It can't be another. You mustn't allow another to raise your baby....If you don't do what I'm suggesting, great danger will befall. . ...It has to be this flight. It can't be any other. They're already scheduled to meet you when you arrive. Flight 815. Flight 815. (1.10, Raised by Another)

-Claire asked Eileen and Joseph to sing "Catch a Falling Star" to the baby if they adopted it. She said her father used to sing it to her. (1.10, Raised by Another)

-Claire and the unborn baby were with Ethan for "almost two weeks" (1.15, Homecoming)

-While giving birth, Claire is convinced the baby knows she doesn't want it. (1.20, Do No Harm)

-Baby appears in a vision by Claire (1.10, Raised by Another)

White stone/black stone

-Found on "Adam and Eve" in the Cave where the Cave Camp now is (1.6, House of the Rising Sun)

-Size of a nickel, polished, in a small drawstring bag on the male (1.6, House of the Rising Sun)

Dolls in the Waterfall

-Found by Jack near the caves (1.5, White Rabbit)

-All the same, dark haired, in cardboard display boxes (1.5, White Rabbit)

Unseen Monster

-Can topple consecutive trees at least ? mile at a time (1.1, Pilot)

-Moves in linear fashion, at the rate of a tree per second (1.1, Pilot)

-Path appears to be 40 feet wide (1.1, Pilot)

-Odd mechanical noise precedes and accompanies it (1.1, Pilot)fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>

-Reminds Rose of something that she has heard "back home" in the Bronx (1.2, Pilot)

-In Boone's hallucination, it seemed to lift Shannon directly up into the air (1.13, Hearts and Minds)

-Chews humans, but doesn't swallow (making it the Bill Clinton of monsters) (1.4, Walkabout)

-Locke saw it, found it beautiful, and has hidden that information from others (1.4, Walkabout)

-May have killed boar at that time, and again didn't eat it (1.4, Walkabout)

-Does not leave a visible path (all shows)

-Does not leave excrement or waste other than uneaten kill (all shows)

Brendan

-Danielle mentions him (1.9, Solitary)

-Had the keys (1.9, Solitary)

-May have been leading a group from the Black Rock

Polar Bears

-There were at least two of them on the island which may indicate more unless they are recent arrivals

-One was shot by Sawyer (1.2, Pilot); One was stabbed, but got away (1.14, Special)

-Before each occurrence, Walt was recently been looking at a Green Lantern Comic that showed a polar bear attack (1.2, Pilot; 1.14, Special)

Cable from the sea into the ground near the grotto

-Sayid finds it coming out of the ocean lying on the beach, he follows it into the jungle and finds Danielle's trap (1.9, Solitary)

-Hurley finds it, and with Jack, Sayid and Charlie follows it until it enter bedrock at the top of the grotto (1.18, Numbers)

Black Rock

-Mentioned in the French woman's transmission (1.2, Pilot)

-Mentioned by Danielle (1.9, Solitary)

-Charlie finds that Claire has been dreaming of the Black Rock (1.14, Special)

Dark Territory

-Danielle's name for the area she lives in, la Fonce Territoire (1.18, Numbers)

-In military and railroad lingo, a dark territory is an area where signals are blocked

Compass Deviation

-Locke gives his compass to Sayid, who finds it is deviated (1.13, Hearts and Minds)

... the polar bears are real.

Pysk:  Does the EM having anything to do with the ability to hear.

Ada:

Good question, about the EM stuff. Right track to follow, so to speak.

[The polar bears are] bad CGI, that's all.

BackRock, you guys are doing such a great job [with being affected by proximity to EM], I just don't want to interfere, so tell when to back out.

Well, I tell you this. There has only, at this time, been one proven case of someone seeing something that involved things that they could not have known before and later proved to be right. Find the visionary, find what caused it by looking at what else was happening, you find a big part of the island mystery.

A great deal of it is right on the money! Including Davis, you're saying that it is Locke and why. He is the man to watch on the island, as you will see. But why is he the only one to have a proveable vision, and that is important, the only one that we know is accurate. Don't go all mystical on me, Janetjune and I agree on this one, most of what is happening has a scientific or psuedo-scientific explanation. Why Locke?

Locke feels that what he is doing is bringing balance to the island, and that that is necessary for them to survive. He is not evil, but like all of us, his perception may be skewered.

Jack is no different.

cac:  What about the fact that the message isn't heard all the time?

Ada:

CAC! You are the only one that I've seen that noticed that! I've been waiting! Thanks!!!!

Can you hear the excitement in my post?

This should open up more questions for you when you think about it.

From the A.. give us something GOOD to ponder thread:

http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=340316

How about the BIRD thing. Is any one on the right track here or are we WAY off.

Is the monster a bird? It has certain abilities of a bird, but it is not a dinosaur. The producers were going to do a complete reveal on this mystery, but decided to bring it down to a visit with more clues.

How about the HATCH, anything on that?

Locke has his theories on what it is, but when it is shown to several others, they think it is something else. The different views on what and how to handle the hatch are going to cause some real conflict.

How about WALT - are we going to how much power he has or will we ever find out how or why he has these powers.

You are going to see Walt making some assertive moves in the next few hours. He doesn't like what he sees happenening, and he says it. Will he show more of what makes him "special" doing so? Yes.

How about the raft. We know there are four but is there anything that you can give us as to if they will make it. I think that for some reason they will have to turn back.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>

I will tell you this, you won't find out until s.2.

What about LOCKE - does he get shot or what?

Can't tell you that one, just as I can't answer if you ask what happens to Jack when he meets up with ---------, Kate when she finds herself --- ----- ---- ------, or Sawyer when he tries to save -------- and ends up ------.

No clues on that sort of thing. If Boone had been handled better, people wouldn't have been disappointed!

Ponder away.

Claire's dream (1.10, RBA) was not a dream but a prophetic vision. Take another look, and it tells you exactly what is going to happen. Charlie WILL be heavily involved in helping her.

Rocked, great scenes for Jack and Kate coming up in the next two new hours. Jack is judge, trial and jury, and you can imagine how that is going to set with Kate.

The hatch? Locke finds he has regained what he had lost, and it makes him a little determined on that subject. The beechcraft was important for more than the radio transmission, and it take everyone back to the hatch again.

The numbers? Watch for Kate's Australia time to have a numbers connection.

I will say this, you are going to meet a lot more people, but we've been telling you that for months! New characters from several different sources are about to come into our LOST world. Where they fit, who they are, why they didn't come forward before, is a big part of the final three hours.

Next season, they play larger roles.

A LOT of importance, if you care to look into it. Let's give you a big one, because summer is almost on us and it could be a great summer discussion. Each character has a philosophical standpoint behind them. One of the motivators on a lost society like this would be that they each would have a view or philosophy --- a perception and perspective. Take a look at the characters, and you should begin to see who their model is. By the way, the dog as well!

The noise we hear when flight 815 starts to go down is the same noise we hear when they first "see" the monster. It is also the same noise as when the plane Boone is in starts to fall from the tree.

Is there anything to this or are they just short on sound affects?

Hi Aldila!

You're right, same sound. The sound clues are being done so that you relate events that later will prove to be connected.

Mad geniuses behing this show, aren't they? Whole bunch of Men Behind the Curtains.

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 by: ABUUAAA (2 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 20, 2005

Ummm....I'm new to this board and I've been reading this thread and I have to ask, with no disrespect to anyone, don't you think some of these theories are just a little "out there" for a Wed night prime time TV show?

I admit, I am trying to figure this thing out as it goes along, but I don't think the writers expect viewers to be rewinding, taping and re-watching these episodes looking for the most minute details. But then, I've been wrong before.

Like most of you, I am dying to see how they wrap this up.

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nice to see part 4, Cac, thanks!

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 by: sdogTSOL (308 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 09, 2005

Kalgoorlie

Famous gold mile-gold mines?huge pits that rival the Grand Canyon

Rich mineral province?nickel, gold

Mesothermal fault

Dominated by liquid cyanide produced by AGR

In the out back

Last town for miles

Major regional transport hub

One of most parochial towns

One of most historic towns

Water comes via 600 km pipeline from Perth

Famous for bordellos "the starting gate" and gambling game "two up"

Largest electorate in the world

Lots of millionaires

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 by: fedrich519 (1999 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 13, 2004

Hey gang! Really busy today but wanted to drop in and say congrats to everyone on Part 4! 

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 by: kellyhawk77 (538 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 30, 2005

Thanks cac!! It's good to have everything laid out in summary. It must have been so much work - we all really appreciate it...

kelly places her hand over her heart, showing respect and admiration for cac. she turns her a bit to the right and half closes her eyes in an overdramatic silence. she takes a deep breath and serenades cac in appreciation for all her hard work...

you, light up my life, 

you give me hope,

to carry on....

Thanks again cac. You rock. 

KH

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kellyhawk!!! u are soooo wierd!!!

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 by: sdogTSOL (308 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 09, 2005

Jack was blinking a lot

Checked it out as a symptom-found this:

Tardive Dyskinesia: Tardive dyskinesia is a neurological syndrome caused by the long-term use of neuroleptic drugs. Neuroleptic drugs are generally prescribed for psychiatric disorders, as well as for some gastrointestinal and neurological disorders. 1

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i think i just shed a tear 

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 Posted: Apr 10 @ 02:27 PM

 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

ME, why would you be disappointed in the tesseract being real?

Is it hard to accept because it's scientifically explainable (man-made) or because it is so awesome and seems magical?

I mean, yes... if I'm watching Star Trek... sure... tessearacts, portals... yep, I'd buy into it and accept it as a plot element. If I was watching Battlestar Gallactic, then sure, why not (not that I watch either), but I don't want to watch those shows, I want to watch Lost. And it seems almost too "easy" to have things boil down to tesseracts and portals. If there are four portals leading on and off the island, then shoot - they can just hope on one and off they go!fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>

I don't know - I don't want to be cynical about it - I LOVE this show... and I don't mind suspending reality a bit, I just don't want it to turn hugely sci-fi, that's all. And as much as I love magical thinking, and can accept some of that on this show, I don't want too much of the plot to boil down to magic and such.

I'm not sure if you understand what I'm saying or not. I just now we were told that everything on the show could be explained by science or at least pseudo-science, but would not be science fiction. And I would love it to stay away from super sci-fi elements.

So, it's not a matter of "believing" in tesseracts or not - or whether tesseracts have to already exsit in reality or not, it's just my feelings of where I hope this show does or doesn't go.

However, we still don't know for sure there ever will be a tesseract, or portals. And so I'm not going to worry that this is what will happen. I still have a feeling they were not successful in creating a tesseract, even though they tried. And in the process, ended up creating something else instead... something that's run a muck.

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 Posted: Apr 10 @ 02:57 PM

 by: cac120 (1128 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004

nofrigginclue posted this somewhere in the Part 3 thread:

Speaking of tattoos, did anyone notice the one on Shannons boyfriends arm in Hearts and Minds.

I can't say that I noticed it. Did anyone else?

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 Posted: Apr 10 @ 03:20 PM

 by: cac120 (1128 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004

ME:  If there are four portals leading on and off the island, then shoot - they can just hope on one and off they go!

Not if they only go in one direction.

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 Posted: Apr 28 @ 07:19 PM

 by: nofrigginclue (19 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 09, 2005

It is another chinese (I think) symbol that looks very fresh, like maybe it was only a temp put on for the show, I was hoping someone could decode it. Look at a shot when Boone is talking to him on the dock.

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 by: Adawhen (2807 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 17, 2004

Yes, it WAS noticed and heavily discussed at the time. Try searching tattoo and Bryan.

Kalgoorlie? Hmmmmm. Interesting place.

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 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

Just a thought, possibity, regarding: "What's wrong with Jack?"

Type 2 Diabetes: Living With the Disease

Symptoms of low blood sugar

Symptoms of mild low blood sugar

You may have these symptoms when your blood sugar has dropped below 65.

Symptoms may include:

Sweating (almost always present). Check for sweating on the back of your neck at your hairline.

Nervousness, shakiness, and weakness.

Extreme hunger and slight nausea.

Dizziness and headache.

Blurred vision. (Jack kept rubbing his eyes.)

A fast heartbeat and feeling anxious.

These symptoms may go away shortly after you eat food that contains sugar. (seen him eat fish, but sugar?)

Symptoms of moderate low blood sugar

If your blood sugar continues to drop (below 40 mg/dL), your behavior may change. Symptoms may include:

Inability to concentrate.

Confusion and irritability.

Slurred speech.

Unsteadiness when standing or walking.

Muscle twitching.

Personality changes, such as anger or crying.

Symptoms of severe low blood sugar

Symptoms of severe low blood sugar (usually below 20 mg/dL) include:

Seizure.

Loss of consciousness (coma).

Stroke.

Death.

http://my.webmd.com/hw/health_guide_atoz/aa20831.asp?navbar=uq1133

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 Posted: Apr 10 @ 04:02 PM

 by: slpy (736 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 23, 2004

Pretty new thread guys.

Me, in the episode where Boone stole the water bottles there was a shot of a nap sack or something full of candy bars. I figured there was a chocohloic on board, maybe not. Maybe someone needed the sugar.

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 Posted: Apr 10 @ 04:05 PM

 by: guido944 (2473 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 27, 2005

hi guys here is a link to Brian's tatoo

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=167&pos=284

eskimodoll translated it to bravery

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 by: DaChasPie (49 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 08, 2005

So i searched Mr. Artz and it came up with a lawyer who specializes in drunk driving charges whose office is located in LA.

Currently reading up on him. Will post more if i find anything else relatable.

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 by: slpy (736 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 23, 2004

DaChas, do you think they would really copy a real living person? Maybe they have a phone number, we could call him and ask him if he ever arrested Jacks dad?

JK The names Artz might just be a reference to Arts.

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 by: DaChasPie (49 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 08, 2005

At this point i have no idea what they are willing to do or copy.

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 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

I agree with slpy that they wouldn't use/copy an actual living person... not so specifically.

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 by: cac120 (1128 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004

Ada told us to google Artz + Exodus. In that context, it's Hebrew for 'earth.'

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 Posted: Apr 10 @ 05:42 PM

 by: OneisLost (201 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004

Okay, gotcha ME.

I do think time travel would bring up some interesting developments if they are presented with the choice to go back and change things. It's a little sci-fi-ish but, could be done well with the focus on the moral/character aspects of the choice.

I really don't mind where it goes as long as it doesn't get cheesy.

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 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

Cheesy is what I'm afraid of. And in a way, I think sci-fi tends to make it too easy - easy solution. "Hey, they could all just beam themselves out of there onto the Starship Enterprise!"

Ok, exageration (I hope!) - but, you get my point.

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 by: kellyhawk77 (538 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 30, 2005

I guess the trick is to balance the "sci" with the "fi" so that it will appeal to the most people.

We might be surprised at how many things we perceive of as "sci-fi" are actually "sci" that we don't even know about. Is it really "fi" if it can be backed up?

KH

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 Posted: Apr 10 @ 06:18 PM

 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

Back to Lost...

I was finally able to re-watch Do No Harm today. Some new observations...

In terms of colors (Ada mentioned to notice colors):

LOTS of Orange this time:

Kate's shirt

Flowers at the pre-wedding event

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Decal on Jack's shirt in the tuxedo

Shannon's blouse

Blue as well, as someone else mentioned, lots of blue shirts:

Claire's shirt

Jin's shirt

Hurley's shirt

Sawyer's shirt

baby's blanket

Black and white:

Tuxedos

Sarah's 44 shirt (HUGE black 44 on back - as if saying to us "HELLO! NOTICE THE 44!)

Sun wearing white pants and black t-shirt w/white flower

Kate black and white striped blouse at the very end

Black suit with white shirt and red tie hanging next to the mirror in the tuxedo shop

Sounds I noticed:

The cargohold door being raised by Jack right sounded like one of the monster noises.

A little "funny" (ha ha):

Shannon to Sayid: "Sare you lost?"

Sayid: "No. Absolutely not."

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 by: kellyhawk77 (538 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 30, 2005

Actually, my post *was* about Lost

KH

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 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

Kelly, who said you weren't?

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 by: kellyhawk77 (538 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 30, 2005

ME: with respect to colours

fed had a thread yesterday about the Green Lantern or the Green Hornet (somthing like that). That may help too.

KH

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 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

thanks, kelly! I wanted to post my observations from the show here, especially since Ada had mentioned to pay attention to colors... but I'll check out fed's thread. I knew he had an idea about Green Hornet... going on, but haven't seen his thread.

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 by: cac120 (1128 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004

I just read in another thread that Sayid's last name is Jarrah.

Jarrah is an Australian tree that grows not too far from Kalgoorlie.

http://www.blueplanetbiomes.org/jarrah.htm

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 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

Wow - cool, cac! How do we know Sayid's last name? Were we ever given it on the show?

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 Posted: Apr 10 @ 08:03 PM

 by: kellyhawk77 (538 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 30, 2005

Hey ME:

Here is that thread of fed's from yesterday. Hope this helps!!!

http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=314170#3131709

KH

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 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

thanks, kelly. I just skimmed through it - and it doesn't look like there's much about color to it... except mention of Green Lantern and Green Hornet. He posted his theory in this thread as well. There is actually much more about Sawyer's nicknames for everyone in that thread than colors.

By the way, fed... in case you read this, after giving the Kato/Cato idea some more thought, I now think Sawyer would more likely reference a Green Hornet and/or Green Lantern comic book than a Pink Panther film. 

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 by: jennak06 (11 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 19, 2005

Hey - this is off topic, but I don't know where else to post it other than the episode titles thread.

Forgive me if this was already discussed, but i haven't been able to go thru the entire 4 part thread.

DO NO HARM

So I immediately check the Hippocratic Oath for this phrase, and I found something interesting:

http://www.geocities.com/everwild7/noharm.html

It is a widely held misconception that the familiar dictum "First, do no harm" comes from the Hippocratic Oath, the oath many physicans take when they enter medical practice.

However, the Hippocratic Oath does not and never did contain those words. It expresses a sentiment similar in general meaning, but never employs the words "First, do no harm."

Similarly:  http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/greekmedicine/f/HippocraticOath.htm

No, the "first do no harm" doesn't exactly come from the Hippocratic Oath, but it does in essence come from the Hippocratic Corpus.

But while not harming the patient is explicit, this section doesn't make doing no harm the first concern of the Hippocratic physician. "Epidemics" (Hippocrates other work) is considered the more likely source.

I just thought that was interesting. Jack's hero complex goes above and beyond his medical oath.

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 by: jennak06 (11 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 19, 2005

THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH (modern version)

with commentary

I swear in the presence of the Almighty and before my family, my teachers and my peers that according to my ability and judgment I will keep this Oath and Stipulation.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>

To reckon all who have taught me this art equally dear to me as my parents (daddy issues?) and in the same spirit and dedication to impart a knowledge of the art of medicine to others. I will continue with diligence to keep abreast of advances in medicine. I will treat without exception all who seek my ministrations, so long as the treatment of others is not compromised thereby, (treating boone got in the way of treating claire) and I will seek the counsel of particularly skilled physicians where indicated for the benefit of my patient.

I will follow that method of treatment which according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patient and abstain from whatever is harmful or mischievous. I will neither prescribe nor administer a lethal dose of medicine to any patient even if asked nor counsel any such thing nor perform the utmost respect for every human life from fertilization to natural death and reject abortion that deliberately takes a unique human life.

With purity, holiness and beneficence I will pass my life and practice my art. Except for the prudent correction of an imminent danger, I will neither treat any patient nor carry out any research on any human being without the valid informed consent of the subject or the appropriate legal protector thereof, understanding that research must have as its purpose the furtherance of the health of that individual. Into whatever patient setting I enter, I will go for the benefit of the sick and will abstain from every voluntary act of mischief or corruption and further from the seduction of any patient.

Whatever in connection with my professional practice or not in connection with it I may see or hear in the lives of my patients which ought not be spoken abroad, I will not divulge, reckoning that all such should be kept secret.

While I continue to keep this Oath unviolated may it be granted to me to enjoy life and the practice of the art and science of medicine with the blessing of the Almighty and respected by my peers and society, but should I trespass and violate this Oath, may the reverse be my lot.

So... Do you think Jack actually adheres to the oath?

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 by: she_lost_colo (700 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 19, 2004

I read something interesting by Richard_Lionheart posted on the J/K thread. He listed the top songs from 1944 (remember the number on Sarah's shirt?). Here's a link to pg. 265 of their thread:

http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=3696&threadID=237424

Two songs that stuck out to him (read his long post on page 265 and another one on page 266) were:

You Always Hurt The One You Love - Mills Brothers

Me and My Shadow - Perry Como

Just thought I would bring it over here... Have fun!

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 Posted: Apr 10 @ 11:29 PM

 by: DaChasPie (49 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 08, 2005

So I came to a conclusion that will hopefully brig me a sigh of relief.

Now i've been doing all this research lately. And everything seems to connect not only to the show but also to one another which led me to this connection.

Maybe Lost is a modern attempt at Arthur Clarkes,"2001: A Space Odyssey".

Here's a link to a synopsis of the film:

http://www.answers.com/topic/2001-a-space-odyssey&method=8

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 by: OneisLost (201 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004

Wow Jenna! That's a mouthful for an up & coming doctor to swallow. Seems more of a morality tale than anything to do with medicine.

He seems to have broken at least one of the rules. The seduction one, as he "fell in love" with his patient. Interesting about the abortion clause, wonder when that was added?

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 by: ivette12 (10 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 07, 2005

Hi everyone, just a little "lost" here....but I've reading about the "black Rock" in this forum, what is it exactly? I problaby didn't watch that episode and now I am very curious. Can anybody explain to me what happened w/that or which episode was it?

Thanks!

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 by: annipadanni (169 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005

ivette...wow. that is going to be a long one to explain.

if you search for 'black rock' you will find a thread that was/is completely devoted to it. it will be long, but will be full of info for you.

in a VERY SHORT summary, it is a place that is on danielle's maps, she mentioned and where we believe there to be an antennea...

much, much more info and discussion on the black rock thread, so please, go search and read to your hearts content!!!!

by the way, welcome!!!! glad to have new faces around here!

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 Posted: Apr 11 @ 10:48 AM

 by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005

I'm sure that this was hashed out in the past but I don't remember reading it anywhere. Possibly because my mind is numb trying to remember all the information/clues/theories we have found so far. What did everyone make of the fact that in one shot the tape on Charlies fingers says LATE but on the promotional photo it says FATE?

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=19&pos=543

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=31&pos=11

If this has already been discussed, please either give me the cliffs notes version or point me in the right direction. Thanks.

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 by: chenmeina (168 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 08, 2005

Hi! I have some thoughts about DEM I want to put out there... I know I'm over a week late to the discussion, but, what can I say, I'm not the fastest thinker...

I'd like to post them here for two reasons. First, I've been reading the board for a few months and following along on the Episode Titles threads from their beginnings, so I know that there is a lot of intelligence and civility here(basically, I'm too chicken to post ideas anywhere else at this point). Second, these thoughts are based on this thread's theories, so they might not make much sense out there to the rest of the board. Really, I think this is just taking what you've discussed about Locke, the electromagnetic field and DEM and turning the pieces and fitting them together a little differently --- or maybe this is what you are already thinking and I just didn't get it when I read it...

I'm aiming for concise, but I don't know if it's going to happen!

So, what if Locke's condition is primarily about pain? What if he is able to use his legs, but it hurts so much that it is better to be in a wheelchair? He talks to Charlie about knowing pain, he had what I understand to be some kind of pain relief machine in his room in the FB. One major strike against this idea is that he uses the word "paralyzed" in DEM when he tells Boone about the wheelchair, but maybe he uses it in a descriptive way instead of a technical way.

What if the electromagnetic field is acting as a giant, powerful pain relief machine for Locke? (I think this idea has been floated before in these threads). Maybe from the time he landed on the beach, he has been impervious to pain in his legs, but he didn't realize it until the shrapnel got stuck in his legs. To him, he just knew that he found relief from the pain in his legs when they crashed on the island. When I watched the scene in DEM where he is "testing" his legs by inflicting pain, I couldn't read his face --- was that fear and doubt, or just confusion?

Also, it seems to me (who, granted, has NO medical knowledge) that ability to feel sharp or burning pain should be the LAST thing to go if true paralysis were relapsing, not the first thing, before motor control (he walks fine for quite a while the next day).

Locke wakes up in pain in the hospital, his father has deserted him, but he does not desert Boone and suffers to help him...fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>

Again, all of this is specuation, but what if the scenes about Sawyer and the glasses are not so much about clear vision as they are about relieving pain? Jack and Sayid use medical science and simple engineering to craft glasses, a simple machine, to relieve Sawyer's painful headaches. To us and to them, glasses are familiar and visible, so this is not a "miracle". What if Locke's miracle is actually the effect of a giant pain-relief machine that is unfamiliar and not visible from the beach? Is this his god from the machine? It's a machine, he thinks it's a god-thing, a miracle.

This is what I've been turning around in my mind for the past week, trying to puzzle it together --- as I cruised the boards this morning I read some quotes from John Locke, Philosopher about pain and desire for ease that I need to look at more closely. I don't know if they will reject or reinforce my little theory about our Locke.

If you made it this far, thanks so much for sticking with me and reading to the end! I would love some feedback, but as I said before, I'm not the fastest thinker, so it might take me a while to formluate a response...

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 by: Alexa0004 (8 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 05, 2005

just so you know deus ex machina is obviously a Latin phrase but it has come to mean relief or help from an unexpected source.....which fits your idea much better.

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 by: Alexa0004 (8 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jun 05, 2005

FYI: Deus ex machina is a Latin phrase commonly used to mean help/relief from an unexpected source....and it fits into your theory much better that way.

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 Posted: Apr 11 @ 11:14 AM

 by: annipadanni (169 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005

chen,

what a great way to to start your first post on our thread! that was very insightful and thought out.

i am a little confused as to why locke used the word "paralyzed" if he wasn't really, but you know, there are degrees to paralysis. so, maybe he was only hindered by the level of pain. very interesting.

i know of some people with MS whose symptoms come and go. sometimes need a cane, other times in a wheelchair for a period of time. so, interesting. i wonder if his affliction in a disease or an injury?

i also like the connection you made with the glasses. i've been looking at it as a 'vision' thing. seeing more clearly, two sides, male/female, black/white...but you are right, it did releive his pain as well.

all very interesting...thank you for your post.b

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 Posted: Apr 11 @ 11:28 AM

 by: Ivelostthatlovinfeeling (21 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 11, 2005

Chenmeina,

I think you are on to something there! I'm not sure I have anything of added insight-- you seemed to cover it all!! Wow. I haven't quite figured out if this concept of suffering and pain is just Locke's cross to bear, or if it is an overall theme for each of the characters. Maybe each character has their own overriding theme, or maybe each has an issue that is "tinted" with this concept of pain because the characters are so interlocked (haha-- pun intended!).

Take Sawyer, for instance. If the theme he had to deal with was "clearer vision", why would the writers spend so much time with the pain (headaches) aspect of losing one's sight. "Clearer vision" would have been emphasized more with actual sight issues. Instead the excruciating headaches were pounded into us. Maybe the pain and suffering leads to clearer vision is important. And we need to look at the yin and the yang, the "good" and the "bad" to get the right picture. How does this tie into Sawyer's personal struggles? I don't think for one moment that he's "learned his lesson". That's too quick and easy. So what, if anything, does this all have to do with the Confidence Man? Does he have pain and suffering issues like Locke?

Sorry for my rambling. This show does this to me!!

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 by: annipadanni (169 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 17, 2005

george...whatyadoin????

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 by: chenmeina (168 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 08, 2005

Anni --- Thanks for the welcome! You are one of the posters (along with cac, ME and several others) whose thoughts I am always on the lookout for on this thread, 'cause you add lots of good research and thought-provoking theorizing...

IveLost --- Thanks for your thoughts... I guess I was just thinking about pain as a theme of DEM and of Locke's character, not an over-arching theme that would tie things together... So I didn't see the glasses/Sawyer thing as being about Sawyer recovering from his "pain" beyond the headaches. Instead, I saw it as a pointer about what was happening to Locke in DEM...

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 by: cac120 (1128 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004

ME, the other thread got Sayid's last name from the EW magazine.

DaChas, I think the writers have said that 2001 is an influence on Lost.

Jenna & One, I wonder why the abortion clause hasn't been removed?

Davis, Charlie changed the words on the tape several times. Besides Late and Fate, there was also Hate and 15ate. They are all big themes on the show and, I suppose, reflect Charlie's state of mind at the time he wrote them.

Chen, I agree that Locke saying "paralyzed" is a problem for your theory, but otherwise I like it. It's also been pointed out that people heal faster than normal on the island. Is there a way to work than into your theory?

Ivelost, maybe having the glasses will help bring other things into focus for Sawyer. He might start making connections between the things he knows of the other castaways.

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 by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005

thanks cac

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 by: chenmeina (168 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 08, 2005

Cac ---

I don't know if the rate of healing can fit into this theory or not... I'll think it over. That might be something that someone with more medical knowledge could address...

Along these same lines, trying to generalize the effects of the EM field from Locke's situation to the survivors as a whole pokes another possible hole in my thoughts --- why would it make Locke "immune" to pain in his legs, but not ease anyone else's pain? (think Boone, when Jack sets his leg, OUCH!) Unless being on the machine at home for 4 years before the plane crash could somehow "rewire" his nervous system so that the EM field would affect him in a way it doesn't affect anyone else...

Thanks for your input, cac

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 by: CluelessLost (6 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 09, 2005

Kalgoorlie? Hmmmmm. Interesting place

I tried researching this back when Hurley went to visit Sam's widow. She mentioned floods, people dying, which made me think some disaster happened there, but I didn't find anything. I think it is worth searching further.

I was also going to mention...Has anyone thought that maybe Jack caused Sara's accident. What if he was the one driving the SUV? Is that why he could never let go?

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OK, me again! I feel like I'm suddenly all over this thread --- Sorry about that!

I've also been posting in a thread about the Chinese characters on the show and anni asked me to copy those posts over here, so here goes:

I have a Chinese characters to English words dictionary, but it's tricky to use because you can't alphabetize Chinese characters. Here's what I've come up with so far...

Boone's shirt is three characters: eight ten four

In Chinese, this means 84.

I agree with the posters who said that Claire's necklace looks like love.

I believe that Shannon's boyfriend's tattoo says courage or bravery.

I'm struggling with Jack's tattoo because I haven't found pictures that are clear enough to work from. I agree that the 3rd character looks like long, but I'm wondering if the fourth one is peace (an1) instead of sky. Like I said, I can't really see the characters clearly...

Eskimo Doll,

That link to Jack's tattoo is the best I've seen so far. Thanks!!

Now that I can see it, I'll say right away that I agree with the poster in this thread who said that the last two characters are chang kong (long empty, meaning vast sky) --- I questioned that before, but with a clearer view, I have to say that you were right on with that translation.

OK, I'll get to work on the first two characters and get back to you if I find something...

OK, I'm back with something on character number two in Jack's tattoo...

That is zhu3, which means owner or master...

I'll work on the first character now, but it looks complicated, so I don't know.

Also, anyone out there with Chinese language resources, please check my work!

OK, me again...

Here's what I think about the first character... it's the fuzziest of all four, even on the clearest screen-cap (thanks again, Eskimo Doll). I believe it is ying1 which means "hawk". To me anyways, this fits the context and the phrase would translate to something like "The hawk is the master of the vast sky"

What does that have to do with LOST, you may ask. No clue!

From what I know about the Chinese language, it is possible that this 4-character phrase is an idiom, in which case it could summarize a story that would give the phrase an additional, deeper meaning... I'll try to look into that, but I don't know that I'll get very far with it...

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 by: OneisLost (201 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 21, 2004

 (either the EM field is shutting down OR they are entering into a/the Dark Territory).

Yo Chen, don't think we've considered they wandered into the Dark Territory. That would have affected Locke's ability to walk. It could also be a combination of that and paralysis of the mind. He's losing confidence in himself and the island.

Thanks for the tattoo translations. Couldn't get ahold of my person this weekend.

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 by: pinkgoddess__18 (656 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 25, 2005

 chenmeina: try checking over at the J/K ship for screen caps of Jack's tattoo... those ladies have resources....

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 by: beagle2424 (8 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 29, 2004

the lack of children has been noted several times on this thread and I agree it's wierd so I've been watching for glimpses or clues of kids - I was'nt able to tape the last episode but at the end when everyone was gathered around Claire , in the 2nd row of non regulars there was a man bending over much the way a parent would do if they were holding a child by the shoulders. Can anyone tell if that is what is going on or am I dog gone crazy

back to my dog house to watch and listen

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 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

So, what if Locke's condition is primarily about pain? What if he is able to use his legs, but it hurts so much that it is better to be in a wheelchair? He talks to Charlie about knowing pain, he had what I understand to be some kind of pain relief machine in his room in the FB.

What if the electromagnetic field is acting as a giant, powerful pain relief machine for Locke? (I think this idea has been floated before in these threads).

Chen, welcome! I actually really like this theory, because it's one I thought of as well a while back! I'm the one who figured out the machine by Locke's bed in the FB scene was an electrotherapy pain control device, which is when it occurred to me that he was mostly likely not paralyzed, but in severe pain, and therefore, needed the machine to control the pain. At the time we were researching the black rock and eletromagnetic waves and fields on The Black Rock thread, so it was an exciting find - and it seemed a logical conclusion that hte electromagnetic waves on the island was acting, as you said, as a giant pain control machine for Locke.

However, as you said, this all changed when Locke used the word "paralyzed" and did the test to show he was not feeling the flame on his foot, pin pricks, etc. Maybe, as you and/or anni said, it could involve pain and partial paralysis.

I had never thought of them being in the Dark Territory either - which is a very intersting thought!

I still also like the idea that much of Locke's pain and even paralysis could be psychological/psychosomatic... but i did enjoy seeing this theory resurface, and in the mind of someone else. 

Welcome to the thread, and thanks so much for sharing your thoughts!

cac, what episode did Charlie have 15ATE on the tape? I thought that one was only a rumor - and I never saw anyone confirm it. Is there a screen cap of it? I dont' remember ever seeing it.

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 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

Oh, and as far as why no one else's pain is being relieved by the electromagenetic waves - maybe it IS because Locke has been primed by the hako-med machine(TENS machine, according to Song). And/or, Locke's body might just be mroe in tune to that type of thing - in the same way he has been in tune with the electrical energy emitting from/around the hatch.

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 by: blissfullylost (193 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Feb 17, 2005

Although difficult to achieve to the extent shown in this episode, Locke (Terry O'Quinn) could have kept his leg's muscles somehow healthy by using electro-stimulation over the 4 years.

I read this on tvtome.com, maybe he is paralyzed and the

machine just kept his legs from atrophying (sp)

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 by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005

Chen - Along these same lines, trying to generalize the effects of the EM field from Locke's situation to the survivors as a whole pokes another possible hole in my thoughts--- why would it make Locke "immune" to pain in his legs, but not ease anyone else's pain?

- Maybe because Locke gave something to the island. He said it in one epi, don't remember which, think it was the moth, ?you have to give the island something in order to get something' (or words to that effect). He said at the end of DEM ?I did everything you asked me to'. Maybe the others haven't figured it out yet.

Clue - I was also going to mention...Has anyone thought that maybe Jack caused Sara's accident. What if he was the one driving the SUV? Is that why he could never let go?

- Maybe he was delivering their baby when she died.

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 by: DaChasPie (49 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 08, 2005

cac120, thank locke or god or whoever, ha.

 anyways here some things i found interesting that i haven't seen elsewhere around here.

Its about ethan rom.

 This is a synopsis of the 1911 novel by Edith Wharton titled "Ethan Frome"

 In the novel, infidelity is explored as the title character wishes to feel vibrant and young again. His wife, Zenobia (nicknamed Zeena), is a hypochondriac and has led herself to believe that she is going to die. Her relatives send for her cousin, Mattie Silver, who needs work as she has been left penniless and an orphan.

He embarks on a chivalrous affair with his wife's cousin, which culminates in Ethan nearly leaving his wife numerous times. When Mattie displeases Zeena, she sends her back to the city. Emotion overcomes Ethan, and he tells Mattie that he wants to live with her forever. They decide to sled into a bulky tree, so it will kill them instantly and they can be together in heaven. The accident paralyzes Mat tie and leaves Ethan with many ailments.

Presentation

The story is presented in a style reminscient of Peyton Place, in that a visitor to the town hears of the entire story not from Ethan, but from other villagers, like the visitor's landlady, Mrs. Ruth Varnum Hale and the trolley operator, Harmon Gow.

Also Rom is singular for a lone memnber of the people Roma, which means gypsies.

Another point of notice is that Ethan Rom is an anagram of........... other men.

Also Ethan himself insinuates that he bought his shoes in canada, so is he wearing shoes from hurley's factory?

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 by: Adawhen (2807 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 17, 2004

Clueless, yes, Jack is not thinking very clearly, is he!

(I think it was Clueless who asked this? Sorry if it wasn't!)

There was a nurse who was coming on here recently, and if she is still stopping in, she can tell you just how badly he was goofing up. Now understand me clearly, Boone killed Boone. BUT, Jack needs to feel it wasn't his fault, and he feels that Locke's complete revelation could have saved him. It wouldn't have. The internal injuries, and yes, this ia a spoiler revelation, were what killed him. The leg was nominal.

To see how badly Jack goofed, ask the nurse about what was wrong with how our island doctor was going to take that leg off. Was there a BIG problem? That any doctor would know? Even in brutal circumstances like this? Oh, yeah.

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 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

The internal injuries, and yes, this ia a spoiler revelation, were what killed him. The leg was nominal.

Ada, I ABSOLUTELY agree. And not to worry - I don't it's much of a spoiler - because to me it seemed quite clear that Boone had major internal injuries, as Sun had said (evidence from him coughing up blood). There is no way the blood transfusion, nor the amputation, would have saved Boone... with the internal injuries he had.

Jack was clearly a man obsessed, and not of right mind... not acting in the best interest of his patient... only acting by his desire to heal, and not fail. HOW many times did he say "He's NOT going to die!" - even the second AFTER he admitted that his own blood could send Boone into shock and stop his heart? Saying this to everyone who KNEW Boone had very slim chances, if any.

I'll be interested in hearing what our resident nurse has to say about the legs being chopped off like that. One thing I noticed, he didn't do anything to prevent him from bleeding out, if he DID amputate that way. I'm only going by "tv" medicine knowledge here, and basick first aid knowledge, but I didn't see him do anything to tie off the leg to prevent arteries from drainging what little blood he had right out of his body. NOt sure if this is what you're referring to or not.

Anyway, Ada... I absolutely agree - it's Boone's internal injuries that killed him. So sad!

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 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

Another point of notice is that Ethan Rom is an anagram of........... other men.

DeChase, you're kidding us, aren't you? Seriously - you're posting that as a joke?

I only mention it because Ethan Rom and Ethan Frome... not to mention "Ethan Rom is an anagram of other men" has been posted SO many times on this board -- and ages ago.... that you would not be smart to post that little revelation as a new thread - not if you don't want to receive a lot of flack.

If you do a search for "Ethan Rom" on this board, you'll find myriads of posts and threads and thoughts and anagrams about Ethan Rom, and lots of thoughts about Ethan Frome.

I know it's tough to not know what's been shared before. Not much gets missed around here, but you never know! Still many stones unturned...

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 by: bubblesnc (53 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 06, 2004

Hi ME,

Just a quick response to your question: I'll be interested in hearing what our resident nurse has to say about the legs being chopped off like that. One thing I noticed, he didn't do anything to prevent him from bleeding out, if he DID amputate that way. I'm only going by "tv" medicine knowledge here, and basick first aid knowledge, but I didn't see him do anything to tie off the leg to prevent arteries from drainging what little blood he had right out of his body. NOt sure if this is what you're referring to or not.

We did see Jack tying a belt (perhaps a brown woven type) around Boone's leg before he sent Michael away & prepared to shut the compartment door on Boone's leg. Not that it would have done much good- he probably would have had to cauterize the entire stump to stop all the bleending, and boy-o-boy would that have led to infection or what ?!

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 by: DaChasPie (49 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 08, 2005

 If all the blood was pooling to his leg wouldn't it just make him end up bleeding to death if jack went through with it? if not he migh have contracted an infection from the metal door since it wasn't cleaned with alcohol or anything. It's interesting also that alcohol is what led to his father's death yet jack needs it to save a life, or try to.

So maybe the island made kate fall to break the bottles to

send a message and to send her to claire.

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 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

I don't think the "island" itself making anyone do anything. I don't think the island has a brain or thoughts or the ability to make humans do anything, nor to help people.

I think LOCKE believes that the island is doing something, but I think that's just his current misplaced belief system. Such as Jack is believing that Locke killed Boone, rather than accept that he was simply unable to save Boone, who had made some stupid choices that resulted in fatal injuries, Locke is choosing to believe in the island, rather than believe that he actually has the power within to do what he wants, accomplish what he wants, and achieve his goals... on his own.

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 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

I posted the info. I found about Diabetes, in relation to what might be wrong with Jack, on another thread yesterday as well... and many people responded very favorably to the idea. fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>

Ada posted this response to it as well yesterday:

That WAS interesting ME!

So, that MIGHT be it! We'll have to keep an eye on Jack and see if his symptoms progress, or if he subsides if he eats sugar. Fruit is all they probably have containing sugar at this point, unless they find sugar cane growing on the island. OR, honey from a bees nest!? They did get attacked by a swarm of wasps in the pilot (I say wasps because Charlie stepped on the hive, which was on the ground - which are what some wasps do, I believe - or maybe it's hornets... but not bees).

Oh, hey - if they were hornets in that episode, could support Fed's current Green Hornet thoughts.

Speaking of bees and bugs and such. Have you noticed that none of them EVER seem to be bothered by mosquistos or gnats, or flies, or anything? Oh, we saw flies on the hanging boar meat... and we've seen magots on the decomposing Marshal... but on Survivor, when they're on these islands, they're usually swatting bugs like crazy, and get eaten to a pulp... but on Lost, hardly a swat. Hmmmm. Not that they have to get all eaten up like on Survivor, but it just seems like it would be at least part of the downsides to island life.

Are there not many mosquitos or other annoying insects on the beaches and jungles of Hawaii? I've never been, so I don't know, but I'd think there would be LOTS.

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 by: DaChasPie (49 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 08, 2005

 Thanks for commenting on my post but i hope you're trying to come off as helpful but it kinda came off as somewhat condescending. I only say this because you only mentioned the negative points of my post and nothing positive, but that is not to say that there is nothing positive in what i said.

 I've started only one thread and that thread is where i post my thoughts, but lately i have found it much more rewarding to join into a group that has already been established to recieve feedback.

 So as a sign of respect for you and those that have heard everything under the sun, i'll stick to my orignal thread. Thank you though for the insight you've given me on lost though, i appreciate it.

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 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

Dechase, my apologies for sound condiscending, truly. However, if you only KNEW how many times that's been posted - you'd chuckle. It's actually become a running joke with many of the old timers/regulars... the things that people post as if it is a new idea, even if it's been posted a million times on the board.

I know you're new to the boards, so you don't know... but seriously, there are some people, especially new people, who post things that have been posted a zillion times, ages ago, and it does drive many regulars crazy. I didn't mean to come off as unkind and welcoming, but was honestly just trying to warn you... trying to be helpful.

And to be honest, I thought that you MIGHT have been joking - seriously... because it has been posted so many times in the past. In case you simply were unaware, I was trying to help you understand.

You are free to do as you would like - stay, or only post on your own thread. I by no means was telling you to not post here. I'm not sure why that is how you chose to perceive it. I was trying to be helpful, and I assure you, I was being a lot kinder than many people would have on this thread if you had posted the "anagram for the other" elsewhere.

Please also keep in mind that not everyone always something positive to everyone's posts. Sometimes I'll post an idea, and my friends on this thread, or other threads, if I post there, will post disagreements, and nothing positive. This doesn't happen for every post of mine, nor every post of anyone. Sometimes people don't have anything to say about an idea, sometimes people might only have disagreeing things to say, and sometimes people have agreeing/positive things to say... and sometimes a little of both.

This happens to me, and happens to everyone - you can't take it personally, or feel that no one wants you to post just because they only say someting negative, and nothing postiive, about a post or two.

Anyway, again, was just trying to be helpful - and I still stand by my advise.

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 by: October_Dreamscape (472 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Nov 15, 2004

Hm..Jack and low or high blood surgar? Could be possible. But unless he was really depressed, you'd think as a doctor, even Jack would take care of himself in that sitaution, and you know how he is..remember Kate saying "You look hungry"? But I do think there's way more to Jack's problems than meets the eye..

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 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

I think Jack puts everyone else first. And he's not one to start whining about there being no easy sugar sources on the island. I think if he has diabetes, he knows it, but is too proud to tell anyone or let it get in his way. Also, if you look at the list symptoms, as his blood sugar continues to drop, he would experience confusion and inability to focus, which would probably impare his judgement, especially about taking care of himself. He is much more focused on saving everyone else than saving himself.

Oh, and yes.. even if part of his problem is diabetes, I agree that there is much more to his problem than that... or, as you said, more than meets the eye.

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 by: Dad_of_4 (2174 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 21, 2004

I thought Ethan Rom was an anogram for THE ROMAN.

Wink.

Hey sea and Cac - Good work. Us dull knives appreciate it.

Just a thought - Jack was so distracted that he thought Sun's stick was an herbal remedy not a pragmatic solution.

A says he was'nt thinking clearly that he was responding emotionally.

So why did he flashback to his wedding and his wife with her story?

I know I'm the dull knife round chere but watching a friend or fellow lostie wouldn't make me flashback to my wedding day.

Something about Boone makes him think about either his father or his wife that then makes him think about his wedding day.

So A + B + C = Why.

A = Boone in a mess.

B = unknown

C = Rehersal Dinner and Wedding

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 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

Dad, since WHEN are you a dull knife??!

You were there when i was first getting my feet wet on the Black Rock thread! Remember? I think you were there when I figured out the electrotherapy machine - I think you were the one who spotted the machine and questioned what it was!

Anyway, the parallel that I drew from Sarah's story and Jack working on Boone is that Sarah said that even when all the other doctors said it was hopeless... the chances that she could be healed so that she could walk again... Jack woudn't give up. "But I had Jack."

So, even though all the other docs took a look and said, "Nope, ain't possible... ain't gonna happen", Jack couldn't let go, despite everyone else's judgement... and that time it paid off.

He was in the same "mode" with Boone, even though this situation was different... setting, the injuries, resources... there is no way Boone could be saved... but to Jack, he leaped into that determined mode of going above and beyond what seemed possible.

Anyway, that's my thoughts of a parallel.

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 Posted: Apr 11 @ 04:26 PM

 by: daviscbls (335 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 28, 2005

working on this puzzle. Every little bit helps all of us. Stick with it. By the way, you're not in SC by any chance are you?fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>

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 Posted: Apr 11 @ 04:27 PM

 by: DaChasPie (49 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 08, 2005

It's all good ME. I guess the history on these boards is just as deep as the show. Didn't feel like it was a personal attack or anything, just hard to tell what someone means through text which is why intially i thought you were helping. Just frustration setting in on what thoughts to post if certain things will get the reaction that you say it will. With that out of the way i have a question

what are your thoughts about the Roma people and if you've done any research about them and their history? Pretty interesting stuff such as all their children are put into "special" schools and what not. They're nomadic and once walked all over the world at one point since they liked to walk, just like kate does.

Davis i'm located out in cleveland

Now i'm sorry if this has been said before if so skip over.

About Sawyer and his name being James. Something struck me about why kate said too many "COOKS" in the kitchen in regard to him tagging along. That led to this

James Cook

 An English explorer of the eighteenth century, known for his voyages to the Pacific Ocean. Cook visited New Zealand, established the first European colony in Australia, and was the first European to visit Hawaii. He also approached Antarctica and explored much of the western coast of North America.

There's more but i'll wait to see how well this is recieved.

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 Posted: Apr 11 @ 04:42 PM

 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

DeChase, I'm glad all is well.

By the way, I never said that "I" researched the Roma people and their history. If you re-read my post, you'll see I never said that... nor did I say I'm the one who posted about Ethan Frome, or "anagram for others". However, I do know that someone did find info on the Roma people as a result of researching "Rom". Can't remember who all posted the info though - cac, was it you?

Anyway, I don't have thoughts on the Roma people at this time.

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 Posted: Apr 11 @ 04:38 PM

 by: Blewize53 (100 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Mar 01, 2005

Just read FO4's note and thought and it seems like Jack really wasn't getting married for the right raesons, his mistake was lost bewteen that he made her walk again and true love.

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 Posted: Apr 11 @ 05:08 PM

 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

Neat stuff about the Roma people, DeChase! What kind of "special" schools are they? What did it say in your research?

Also, any time you can post links of the pages where you found your info, it's a huge help, in case anyone wants to read more about that topic at that source.

The James Cook info is cool too! Nice catch on Kate saying "too many cooks". Not sure if that was the intended reference or not, but who knows? Seems like lots of connections to Lost geography. Not sure what meaning or info we're supposed to draw from it, but maybe it's an indication that Sawyer is an explorer of sorts.

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 Posted: Apr 11 @ 05:38 PM

 by: cac120 (1128 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Sep 03, 2004

Clueless, I don't think Jack had anything to do with Sarah's accident. Jack doesn't have to be directly responsible for a death to feel that he is.

beagle:  the last episode but at the end when everyone was gathered around Claire , in the 2nd row of non regulars there was a man bending over much the way a parent would do if they were holding a child by the shoulders.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>

I think he was just leaning in to see the baby. Had there been child there, he would have been in the front with Walt.

ME, I don't know which episode 15ATE comes from. It's on at least two people's screen-savers though.

bliss:  maybe he is paralyzed and the machine just kept his legs from atrophying

This makes sense, since he was using it while planning the Walkabout. Locke was expecting to get his legs back in Australia, so he would have been doing all he could to prepare them.

DaChas, I don't know much about the Romas, so if you find something that sounds like Ethan, please share it with us. I'm not sure about the idea of Ethan as a gypsy, though. While he is not a native resident of the island, he is more established there than the newer arrivals.

I must have missed Ethan saying he bought his shoes in Canada. I know he said he was from Ontario. If so, they must be from Hurley's factory.

Ada:  The internal injuries, and yes, this ia a spoiler revelation, were what killed him. I'm not sure how that's a spoiler. Is Jack going to do an autopsy?

Besides the bleeding and sterilization issues, wouldn't you have to cut the bone shorter than the muscles and skin so that you could sew the wound shut? Jack's judgment is seriously impaired if he is making basic mistakes.

Dad, watching the second time, I saw more parallels between the island and the FBs. I think the main thing is that Jack thought about Sarah because once he saved her and once he didn't.

DaChas, interesting catch on James Cook. He was probably the first European to find the lost island. Kate could be saying that too many have 'discovered' the island.

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 Posted: Apr 11 @ 05:46 PM

 by: fedrich519 (1999 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Oct 13, 2004

Hey gang, just popping in from time to time like I do. Great theories as always. Glad to see Chen! It is fun to see a lurker come out of the shadows. Just makes me wonder how many people read over this thread that we have no idea about.

Anyway, Ada brought up Jack making a big mistake that any doctor would catch. I am not a doctor, just remember the extended medical training from the Army.

Not really sure if I am on the right track but one thing did catch my attention. Amputating someone's leg that hs suffered serious internal trauma is not a procedure that should be done on a deserted island, even if you are a doctor. Severing major blood vessels is risky, even with a tourniquette, if the tourney came loose, the blood would fall out of his leg in buckets and death would be very fast. The bigger issue is keeping the amputation site clean and free from infection. Infection could very easily set in and without proper anit-biotics, it would be an very big issue.

Again, not a doctor, maybe someone could help. Couldn't the pool of blood in his leg have been drained somehow? Wasn't that the purpose of the chest tube? To drain the blood from his collapsed lung? Why couldn't that have been done in his leg? From my limited understanding, amputation is for gangrene, not pooling.

Feel free to rip this one apart, again, not a doctor.

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 Posted: Apr 11 @ 06:00 PM

 by: MEandthesea (1177 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 21, 2005

The bigger issue is keeping the amputation site clean and free from infection. Infection could very easily set in and without proper anit-biotics, it would be an very big issue.

Well yes, the obvious infection factor is a HUGE one. I didn't mention that one earlier because I thought she meant aside from that... as ALL of the procedures Jack was doing looked rather unclean and very prone to infection, even though he was dumping some peroxide and alcohol on things. But the cargo hold door? Yowzer.

I'm not a doctor or nurse, and don't have any medical background of the sort, but i thought Jack pierced Boone's chest to re-inflate his lungs - to get air back into his lungs.

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 by: DaChasPie (49 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Apr 08, 2005 fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>

Here's something else. It was said that before the plane crashed they were on their way to Fiji. Well guess who visited Fiji, Captain James Cook in 1774. The 320 islands were discovered by Abel Tasman in 1643.

Here's a link for those interested in more about Fiji.

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Fiji&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1

Yeah he also visited Tahiti which Danille and her team were 3 days out from.

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Tahiti&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1

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 Posted: Apr 11 @ 06:17 PM

 by: celtic_angel (27 Posts in the last 90 days) Registered: Jan 05, 2005