- Sarah has obviously read one too many Danielle Steele novels. That whole relationship seemed like it was straight out of a harlequin romance book. Which fits nicely with Jack's huge hero complex.
- I think that Jack drinking vodka had more to do with him realizing what he had gotten himself into than worrying about whether Dad is going to show up. While he might have a huge savior complex, you have to give Jack major props for understanding his own failings. He knew that he was never going to live up to Sarah's expectations, but he didn't want to walk away at the altar either.
- I have to say that I enjoyed the interaction between Christian and Jack tonight. Christian actually came off as a likeable guy and he gave his son some good advice in a blunt, but understanding manner.
- As for the episode's original FBs, I thought that they centered around Jack having a nervous breakdown. Did they really change everything because A told us? The FB scenes did seem a bit choppy, and I feel kind of bad that I even know because the original storyline would have been much more awesome than this story was...
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I have to agree with you. I especially liked the interchange between Jack and his dad at the pool. It actually showed a more human, caring side of dad.
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By: annipadanni ( 256 Posts ) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 08:05 AM
hey guys! i don't think anyone has figured out the clock thing. and the reverting to page one...who knows. i save it in favorites eachtime i post and then can click right back where i was.
it helps to find your spot again too when you have to go away!
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By: OneisLost ( 386 Posts ) Registered: Nov 21, 2004 08:52 AM
I thought the "you fixed me" line was a justification for going through with the marriage. I got the impression Jack's tears were more regret than joy/love/commitment.
Kate's comment about the baby belonging to all of them was interesting. Think they will all rally around to save it from the others?
I'm athinking old Daddy Shepherd had something to do with Jack's wife's death. Maybe he was driving drunk and hit her or she was in the car and they had an accident. That might lead to the nervous breakdown.
Mae, I agree that I'd have liked to have seen the original flashback scenes of the nervous breakdown. I think we were shown a little anxiety, but nothing compared to ATBCHDI. Evidently, this took place earlier and something happened in between (I think the wife and baby died).
Furphy posted this yesterday in the Jack/Kate ship:
Just a moment's break to rush in and tell you the suicide is out. He will have a desperate time in his life, which you will see tomorrow, but talk here is the suicide was removed at Touchstone and ABC's request. I will stop in later to chat you up but thought you might need this bit.
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I started taking notes in the first few commercial breaks and then just sat her looking stunned during the rest.
There was a nice parallel at the beginning with Jack being sure he could save Boone and Kate being unsure. Then we saw Jack being confident about the wedding and Silverman unsure about his speech.
Sun has even more medical experience than I thought.
Jack looked unsure during Sarah's speech. Was it because of his vows or because she called him a hero? She also gave us further evidence that Jack is a VERY good surgeon.
Sawyer's almost out of alcohol. Has he been drinking? What's the significance of Kate breaking the bottles? Maybe foreshadowing her episode?
There was a red car. After all the red in last week's episode, this is probably more foreshadowing of death. Maybe Sarah has another car accident?
Jack said 'husband and father.' Was she pregnant?
Kate seemed to have some birth experience herself and I don't think it was the first time Jin was awaiting a baby, either. Charlie, however, seemed like the nervous first-time father.
When Jack was saying his vows, I wasn't sure if he was committing or breaking up with her. I'm not sure either of them knew what he was doing, either.
Was his mother not at his wedding? That's pretty strange.
It looked like they were getting married in Hawaii.
What was Boone's message for Shannon? The obvious thing is that he loved her, but I have a feeling it was that he forgives her. For what, I don't know, but I think we'll find out in a Shannon FB next season.
And what does this mean for Shannon and Sayid's relationship? She now has to deal with the guilt of spending the night with him while her brother was dying.
The only numbers I caught were the repeat of Shannon and Boone's ages, 8 and 10. This emphasizes that Shannon has the numbers and Boone doesn't. And Charlie only got 4 blood types.
The guillotine for Boone's leg ... ewwwwww! I guess that's where Do No Harm comes in. Why put him through the pain of the amputation if he's not going to live anyway.
He also didn't want to hurt Sarah by sharing his doubts with her.
And the scenes for the rest of the season! Jack and Sayid going after Locke. Kate trying to take Sawyer's seat on the raft. And Locke being SHOT! Looks like some good stuff coming, but it's undoubtedly misleading.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3091241reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 04:27 AM
Ah... Network execs. = a bunch of wussies. So did they have to go back to the drawing board and redo everything at the last minute, because it kinda really showed...
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post?reply=true&messageID=3091290reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 04:38 AM
The only numbers I caught were the repeat of Shannon and Boone's ages, 8 and 10. This emphasizes that Shannon has the numbers and Boone doesn't. And Charlie only got 4 blood types.
cac, yes, the 4 was mentioned by charlie and jack. the 8 was mentioned by the best man. but i didnt catch any of the other numbers. did anyone else??
next week it's special, then outlaws, then a review special episode then another new one.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3093137reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 07:00 AM
By: annipadanni ( 256 Posts ) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 08:05 AM
Jack said 'husband and father.' Was she pregnant?
cac, i thought so too. at one point jack was asking his father why he was marrying her...and i would have sworn his next line was going to be..."because she is pregnant?"
i even said it outloud during the scene...
i felt like we were really jipped on the FB's this time. it was just choppy and not very informational...i was disappointed in that part.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3093289reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 07:06 AM
at one point jack was asking his father why he was marrying her...and i would have sworn his next line was going to be..."because she is pregnant?"
I thought exactly the same thing.
The flashbacks didn't feel complete to me. I was expecting another one to show us what happened to the marriage. I think there's enough there for another episode, though, so I'm sure we'll see it eventually.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3093584reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 07:21 AM
Im not so sure she was preggo. She toasted jack with a glass of wine, unless it's apple juice. And when he mentioned he was unsure if he could be the husband and father he wanted to be, it seemed general. 'course, I could be totally wrong.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3093960reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 07:37 AM
By: Party_of_Jack ( 75 Posts ) Registered: Nov 03, 2004 11:39 AM
Just a thought about Sarah dying...What if she is the one that Jack's dad was operating on while drunk? Maybe Jack wasn't operating on her because it was his wife...too close to the patient...and then he had to step in because his dad was drunk and screwed up. All we know about the woman on the operating table was that she was pregnant, right?
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post?reply=true&messageID=3094099reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 07:41 AM
Jack performed a traechiodomy(sp?) on Boone, just like Boone wanted to do on Rose in the pilot episode.
Boone let Jack "off the hook". Rose told him the same thing after Jack promised to be with her until her husband came back.
What is the deal with people loosing limbs and paralysis? Jack was ready to cut off Boone's leg. Kate's farmer lost an arm and Sam Toomey's wife lost a leg. Locke was in a wheelchair and Sara was also paralyzed for a while.
Why didn't Boone mention to Jack he had contacted someone on the radio?
That's all I can think of for now. I will have to go rewatch and take notes.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3094165reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 07:45 AM
Just a thought about Sarah dying...What if she is the one that Jack's dad was operating on while drunk? Maybe Jack wasn't operating on her because it was his wife...too close to the patient...and then he had to step in because his dad was drunk and screwed up. All we know about the woman on the operating table was that she was pregnant, right?
Yes this would sound like a good idea except we saw Christian break the news to the woman's husband. So it wasn't sarah.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3094235reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 07:48 AM
By: Party_of_Jack ( 75 Posts ) Registered: Nov 03, 2004 11:39 AM
Ok...thanks Naughty_Paws..thought I was on to something.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3094260reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 07:49 AM
Keep thinking!! I'm sure something will come to you that didn't come to any of us. That's what we're all here for!
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post?reply=true&messageID=3094503reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 07:57 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
And when he mentioned he was unsure if he could be the husband and father he wanted to be, it seemed general. 'course, I could be totally wrong.
Very true. He may know that having children is extremely important to Sarah... so that might be an added pressure... added expectation.
The whole situation with Jack's fiance and wedding was interesting. I didn't get the impression that he was waiting by the poor drinking Vodka because of his dad, but because he didn't want to go back to his room having not been able to write his vows.
Then there is the fact that Sarah started out as one of his patients... one who was critically injured... and considering how completely committed, almost to an obsession, that he becomes toward a patient (the way he told Boone, "I am going to save you" - with that sort of smile on his face?)... I'm sure she was a patient he thought about and tended to night and day... like an artists becomes obsessed with a painting or sculpture until it's done.
Sarah told him in her speech, that he is the "most committed man I've ever known"... his father said, "Committment is what makes you tick"... and then, "The problem is, you can't let go." Jack was so comitted to Sarah the patient... couldn't let go... started falling for her... but was it really soulmate, true love... or infatuation with a patient... his work of art. Or was it simply he was so committed that he once gain couldn't let go.
As the wedding date grew near, he became more and more apprehensive. At the piano, she thought he was worried that his father wouldn't come, but that might be what he told her to prevent her from realizing he was having doubts about the wedding... which he might not have realized. He had made a committment... which he felt he had to keep. Yet he didn't want to fail either, which he was afraid of doing if he entered into a marriage that wasn't right.. And maybe he was thinking of his own father/son relationship, and was afraid he might be the same with his own child.
You're right in that Sarah put him up high on a pedistal... he was her hero... her savior. That's a tall order to live up to... and Jack set himself up for it.
The vows where so hard for Jack because they constituded a promise... a committment... and he was clearly unsure at that point, either way. He is obviously an extraordinary doctor... surgeon... but was out of his element when it came to relationships.
So, keeping in the thought that Sarah did die somehow (probably by a means that Jack felt was murder - not sure it was in a car accident, since she had already been in one, but something similar), he has still not been able to let go, and that is why he puts Kate off. I agree that Sarah might have been pregnant when she died, or that they had a baby that died with Sarah. This might also be why he chose to stay with Boone, who was clearly terminal (and who Sun could have watched over), rather than go and deliver the baby herself.
cac, I've totally missed any info that there was going to be a suicide or suicide attempt in the FB this week, or that it would be about Jack having a breakdown. Was that in a spoiler or something, or a post? How did I miss all that?
I agree that this episode seemed a bit lacking, and as I said, the death didn't seem nearly as sudden as expected... but that might be due to so much speculation and guessing in the weeks prior - perhaps took some of the surprise out of it.
Not sure if I agree about Kate having had a child just because she was able to comfort Claire so well. I do think Kate has a heard, and woman to woman, I think she could comfort by saying what she would want someone to say to her. Claire was feeling alone, and was afraid that her child would feel unwanted because she thought of giving it up for adoption, so saying that they are all there for the baby and the baby was all of theirs was very appropriate. They've all seen Claire in her last month of pregnancy... they worried about her when she was kidnapped. The statement, and scene at the end, showed how they've all become a little family by now.
Of course, poor Locke wasn't there, and now he's going to be facing big trouble.
So, in terms of the conflicting dates about when someone dies - and the thoughts that two people are going to maybe die now... and considering we were told the character is BIG one... and it will be sudden and we won't see it coming. Maybe Locke will get killed too? I SO hope not - with all my heart!
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post?reply=true&messageID=3094493reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 07:57 AM
Clueless: Jack didn't perform a tracheostomy on Boone. He was reinflating his lung that had colapsed.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3094769reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 08:08 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
Jack performed a traechiodomy(sp?) on Boone, just like Boone wanted to do on Rose in the pilot episode.
I didn't see Jack perform a tracheotomy on Boone. If you're talking about what he did with the knitting needle, he actually put that into Boone's chest... into his lung, I believe... to get air back into his collapsed lung (nurses or doctors in the thread who could chime in and clarify, please do!).
By the way, can anyone see the number on the top of the knitting needle? I didn't catch it - but on the top of the needle is a white topper that has the needle size on it. For those who have it TiVo'd or taped, take a peek and let us know.
Another observation, Jack had a colorful yin-yang decal on his t-shirt in the tuxedo shop scene. It's an unusual one in that it isn't black and white. The white portion of the symbol is in white, but the black portion almost blends completely with the colorful orange, yellow and green background, except for the white dot. And, there is a white crown symbol above it. It almost looks like a crest.
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
Did anyone pick up on Christian's comment to Jack:
"Screaming kids sitting next to me in first class. What's that all about?"
I wondered if this was supposed to be a clue or relate to our Oceanic flight 815... and the question about children on the flight.
Some other details from last night:
Jack can play the piano... he and Sarah were playing "Heart and Soul". Sarah wanted to take the easy part... I think Jack responded, "as usual". So, as usual, he takes the hard part.
Jack's blood type is O-, the Universal Blood type... giving him the ability to help/save "all"?
Oh, and Claire inquring about the raft - now THAT was something to ponder. On the surface it seemed like she was interested in knowing to see if she could catch a ride on it, but anyone else wonder if she was spying or fishing for info for "other" purposes? Finding info for someone? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
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post?reply=true&messageID=3094919reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 08:13 AM
He seemed to really be worried about his dad showing at the piano because he longingly looked at the car that had just pulled up, so I think that was agenuine feeling and not just something he told Sarah.
I think the hinting at another death is a bunch of bull. It's just to throw us off.
And right, Jack didn't do a traecheotomy. It was a reinflation
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post?reply=true&messageID=3094953reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 08:14 AM
I just joined the board so I'm only working my way through this thread now. If I repeat stuff that's already been said sorry.
I just read all the stuff on page 11 about the marshel being the one kate loved and killed and how some people here think that because of how familier they seemed with each other. Here's my (latest) theory on them. The man she loved and killed was something that happened a long time ago. The marshel, who may not really be a marshel (bounty hunter maybe) originally tracked her down after that. She acted helpless and fed him some sob story which caused him to relax his guard and she escaped from him. He caught her again after the bank robbery and was bringing her back to the US. His comment about how he believed her story and maybe others would was a reference to lawyers, judge, and jury once she was back and brought to trial.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3095071reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 08:18 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
welcome, homer... and great thoughts! Thanks so much for sharing them!
You'll have to keep reading the thread though to find out what we all came up with after that page... we've discussed it a lot... and I don't think all of us thought that he was really the man she loved. Keep reading though - I think you'll find it interesting, and might trigger some more ideas of your own to post about it.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3095314reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 08:25 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
He seemed to really be worried about his dad showing at the piano because he longingly looked at the car that had just pulled up, so I think that was agenuine feeling and not just something he told Sarah.
And yet he barely reacted when his dad walked out to the pool... as if Jack wasn't concerned at all.
Even if Jack was a little worried that his dad might not make it, I still feel the bulk of his anxiety was about the wedding itself, but he didn't want Sarah to know that. I really don't think he was drinking a bottle of vodka because of his dad. From Jack's easy going greeting to his dad at the pool, I think this even more.
Oh, and I couldn't quite remember if his blood type of O+ or O-... thought for sure it was O+, but I'll go fix it in my post. Thanks, Naughty!
Of course, Jack having an O blood type means that he can only recieve a blood transfusion himself from another O donor... can't be A or B. So, he can give to others, but can't receive if he ever needs it... unless they do finally find another O.
They aren't exactly set up well for things for blood transfusions though - can't really wrap my brain around how they actually pulled it off last night, but... I'll go with it.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3095575reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 08:35 AM
Another thing I remembered about last night. Claire said she was afraid because she had gone missing for a week. Then she said "Some days I can't even remember" Does that mean there are days she does?
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post?reply=true&messageID=3095894reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 08:48 AM
And yet he barely reacted when his dad walked out to the pool... as if Jack wasn't concerned at all.
At that point we don't know how much he had to drink. it may have subdued his reaction. It's true though, I thought he would have reacted more too, but ya never know.
Even if Jack was a little worried that his dad might not make it, I still feel the bulk of his anxiety was about the wedding itself, but he didn't want Sarah to know that. I really don't think he was drinking a bottle of vodka because of his dad. From Jack's easy going greeting to his dad at the pool, I think this even more.
True, I don't think the entire reason for him out drinking was his dad. I think it was cold feet and worries over coming up with vows. No has said yet..i asked...aren't you supposed to surprise your fiancèe with your vows at the altar? He said he stole them.
Oh, and I couldn't quite remember if his blood type of O+ or O-... thought for sure it was O+, but I'll go fix it in my post. Thanks, Naughty!
Youre welcome!!! Any time!! Yes O is universal and can give to A, B, O and AB. I know much about it if you have more questions. The positive/negative refers to the Rh factor. That's a protein. A neg can give to a neg or a pos. a pos can only give to another pos. basically, if you don't have Rh, you cant receive positive blood. It causes a major problem.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3096051reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 08:53 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
Youre welcome!!! Any time!! Yes O is universal and can give to A, B, O and AB. I know much about it if you have more questions. The positive/negative refers to the Rh factor. That's a protein. A neg can give to a neg or a pos. a pos can only give to another pos. basically, if you don't have Rh, you cant receive positive blood. It causes a major problem.
Naughty, what about the part where Jack can only receive O blood then, yes? He can't be given A or B or AB, is that correct? He can give to all, but can only receive O.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3096231reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 08:59 AM
Naughty, what about the part where Jack can only receive O blood then, yes? He can't be given A or B or AB, is that correct? He can give to all, but can only receive O.
Correct. Basically A blood has A protein on the surface...B has B, AB has both A and B, and O has none. Any person can receive O because it's like a "blank" blood cell, it has no added protein. However, if your
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body uses O (blank) then introducing cells with protein on them causes a problem. So yes, Jack is a universal donor, and the worst off if he needs a transfusion as he can only accept other O blood.. And even better the Rh negative makes him even more universal. fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
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post?reply=true&messageID=3096390reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 09:07 AM
By: daviscbls ( 343 Posts ) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 11:35 AM
A couple of thoughts.
It was emphasized, more than once, how badly Jin wants to get off the island. Michael mentioned it and we saw him frantically working on the raft when everyone else was having a rest.
It seemed symbolic that Boone dies at the same time as the baby is born (and it's a boy) it's the circle of life. Don't know if it relevant in anyway though.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3096569reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 09:12 AM
What about Shannon and Sayid? They spent the entire night together. Did they or didn't they? She wanted to take it slow but she did not wish to leave. She did tell Sayid that Boone was in love with her and that she did not feel the same way about Boone. What she did not disclose to Sayid is that she slept with Boone. Now since this romantic interlude appears in the episode that has the "circle of life" what if Shannon is pregnant and could it be Sayid will think it is his and what if it turns out to be Boone's? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....something to ponder for the end of next season.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3096973reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 09:28 AM
quick question about Jack's tattoos. Are they something for the show or are they real ones the actor who plays him has? (I can't keep track of who plays who)
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post?reply=true&messageID=3097836reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 09:55 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
quick question about Jack's tattoos. Are they something for the show or are they real ones the actor who plays him has? (I can't keep track of who plays who)
Homer, that's been discussed quite a bit... and I've heard both... some say Matthew Fox already had them prior, and some day he didn't. Not sure which is true.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3097670reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 09:51 AM
By: daviscbls ( 343 Posts ) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 11:35 AM
If you look at the FB, Jack doesn't have the tatoo.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3097751reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 09:52 AM
By: daviscbls ( 343 Posts ) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 11:35 AM
No tattoo in the FB.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3097978reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 10:00 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
could have been covered with make-up for the scene though though.
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However, either way, it's a clear indication that the producers want the tatoos to have significance to the character and his story... otherwise they wouldn't have covered up the tatoo, or given him one if the actor didn't have one already. fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
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post?reply=true&messageID=3098081reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 10:05 AM
By: daviscbls ( 343 Posts ) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 11:35 AM
If he doesn't have the tattoo in the FB but does when he's on the island, something must have happened to make him get it. Something that I'm sure we will learn about later.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3098184reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 10:10 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
If he doesn't have the tattoo in the FB but does when he's on the island, something must have happened to make him get it. Something that I'm sure we will learn about later.
yep. that was my point. if he didn't indeed have them in the FB scene, then he must have gotten them for some reason after that, but before the crash.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3098331reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 10:14 AM
wasn't someone trying to find out what they meant? i think some were asian characters. someone was on a mission to find out what they meant.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3098231reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 10:12 AM
By: myvote6 ( 96 Posts ) Registered: Mar 22, 2005 09:34 AM
Hopefully, it's clues like this that can help us sequence the FB's. Having/not having tatoos, hair styles, background items (that can be dated, such as models of cars) etc.
This is fun!
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post?reply=true&messageID=3098471reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 10:19 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
I think Jack's FBs go in this order:
1. Jack as a child, sticking up for Mark Silverman, then getting a lecture from dad afterwards.
2. Jack and Sarah/wedding (last night's)
3. Jack taking over during the operation that his dad botched.
4. Jack being summonsed by his mother to go fetch dad in Australia.
5. Jack in Australia looking for Dad in hotel.
6. Jack in morgue in Australia IDing dad's corpse.
7. Jack in airport, despirately trying to get dad's coffin/body onboard.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3098335reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 10:14 AM
So, in terms of the conflicting dates about when someone dies - and the thoughts that two people are going to maybe die now... and considering we were told the character is BIG one... and it will be sudden and we won't see it coming. Maybe Locke will get killed too? I SO hope not - with all my heart!
I don't think they would of showed us Locke getting shot
in a preview if they are trying to shock us, or us
not see it coming. It will be discussed for weeks
Was Jack's best man the same boy he was protecting in
the fight with the bully, when they showed a fb when
some more from me. around page 30 there's a lot about how Locke might have been faking and/or he was able to overcome the pain in his legs to carry Boone back to the cave. He wasn't faking and he wasn't in pain. He was paralized. Look at when he's sewing up the wound from the shrapnal after he tried to open the hatch. He couldn't feel the needle when he wasing the wound closed and he didn't feel any thing on the other leg either.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3098946reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 10:35 AM
yes, we know, the question is how was this paralize-ation (word?) able to come and go so quickly, and why did it come back in the first place? was it the island affecting it as it wished, or his fear, etc?
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post?reply=true&messageID=3099063reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 10:39 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
some more from me. around page 30 there's a lot about how Locke might have been faking and/or he was able to overcome the pain in his legs to carry Boone back to the cave. He wasn't faking and he wasn't in pain. He was paralized. Look at when he's sewing up the wound from the shrapnal after he tried to open the hatch. He couldn't feel the needle when he wasing the wound closed and he didn't feel any thing on the other leg either.
Homer, I'm not sure whose posts/theories you're disagreeing with. I posted a lot about this, but I personally never thought Locke was "faking". I agree he was paralyzed, but I do believe much of it was psychological. That is not the same as "faking" at all.
At the same time, in one of his flashback scenes, he WAS indeed sitting in his bedroom hooked up to an electrotherapy pain control machine. However, if he was paralyzed, perhaps this was used more to help stimulate muscles and nerves through electrical pulses, rather than for pain.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3098982reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 10:36 AM
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post?reply=true&messageID=3099115reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 10:42 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
uh, yes, Naughty... and you say you are in the science field? hmmm....
was it the island affecting it as it wished, or his fear, etc?
i honestly don't think the "island" is wishing or thinking or consciously making anything happen to anyone. I think LOCKE might be thinking and believing that, but I don't for a minute thing that is what's happening.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3099456reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 10:53 AM
Would Locke's dad be drinking if he had a dodgy kidney?
I've been on dialysis for years. They don't care if a patient drinks as far as alcohol goes. The only part they care about is the amount since you're only supossed to drink a certain amount each day otherwise there's too much fluid for the machine to remove during your next treatment.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3100111reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 11:14 AM
i know i know...i had a brain fart. paralysis. paralysis. it wont happen again, i promise! lol
hey did anyone ever notice if Jack has ever been wearing a wedding ring? i dont think he has...wonder where it went. more signs toward him being a widow?
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post?reply=true&messageID=3100608reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 11:29 AM
hope someone got a good laugh out of it, i know i did LMAO
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post?reply=true&messageID=3100750reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 11:35 AM
By: daviscbls ( 343 Posts ) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 11:35 AM
Maybe Jack couldn't live up to his g/friend's expectations, as he feared and they divorced. I'm sure if he had worn a ring, Kate would have asked him about it.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3100885reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 11:39 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
I'm still leaning toward the theory that Jack's wife died while pregnant... or she and their child died.
Whether divorce or death, I would still think he'd be wearing his wedding ring if he has hard time letting go, and if he's still feeling committted to her. On the other hand, it might be too painful a reminder for him to be wearing it all the time. I wonder if we'll find in a future episode that he does still have it, and keeps it tucked in a special place. Or it could be in luggage, if that wasn't found - we might find it later.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3100962reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 11:41 AM
By: OneisLost ( 386 Posts ) Registered: Nov 21, 2004 08:52 AM
Geez Naughty, you ain't stickin' me with no needles.
I haven't heard anything more on the tattoo's. Cleaned up and lightened the picture and resent. Chick might have gone back to Japan, travels a lot back and forth. Will phone again this weekend for an update.
About this shooting. We saw Locke being shot but remember, he's also got a gun now that no one else knows about. He could only be wounded and shoot back.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3101036reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 11:43 AM
Geez Naughty, you ain't stickin' me with no needles.
not even a "hollow needle sharp enough to pierce a noodle"???
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post?reply=true&messageID=3101103reply Posted: Apr 07, 2005 11:45 AM
By: daviscbls ( 343 Posts ) Registered: Mar 28, 2005 11:35 AM
One, do you know for sure the tattoo is not Chinese? My sister-in-law is Chinese. If you can send me a copy of the cleaned up picture I could see if she can help us.
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
I posted this response on another thread... and wanted to post the thoughts here as well:
When Kate spoke to Jack on the beach at the end, she said to him, "Boone just died." Jack responded, "He didn't die. He was murdered!"
So, he is rationalizing his failure, or denying that he failed/was unable to save Boone, by convincing himself that Boone didn't die under his watch, but rather - was murdered by Locke.
And now what does he do? He takes on the responsibility, single-handedly, to seek vengence on the person he feels murdered Boone. Thus, the committment continues.
Now, we had been told in spoilers that the person dies because of a lie. Keep in mind that Jack believes that Locke murdered Boone because Locke wasn't forthright about what exactly happened. That, along with the bits and pieces Boone was able to eek out before dying... "Locke said not to tell"... "the hatch"... "plane"... etc... And then Jack realizes that Boone had to have been crushed, and that he didn't just fall. Locke's withholding of the truth of course makes it sound like he's guilty.
At any rate, going back to the clue about someone dying by lying, or by keeping a secret (I forget which now)... could apply to something coming up as well. Also, we were told it was a BIG character. Hmmmm... I'm ascared! Definitely dont' want Locke to die.
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By: Go_Dadio ( 24 Posts ) Registered: Feb 03, 2005 11:09 AM
So, he is rationalizing his failure, or denying that he failed/was unable to save Boone, by convincing himself that Boone didn't die under his watch, but rather - was murdered by Locke.
I feel that same way ME. Just when I thought he might be fixing his flaw by letting Boone go, he does this. He never really did let Boone go. How many other patients is he still holding onto?
Man, his dad did a number on him. His inferiority complex just multiplies his inability to let go and his fear of failure. What a conflict that must create in his head.
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By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
Was just looking at Jack's tatoo again, and was thinking about the "5" and the "BC". I ran a search for "5 BC symbolically means" and came up with some interesting hits related to the Bible:
These 10 Old Testament passages were written hundreds of years before the birth of Jesus. They foreshadowed and foretold many events of the life of Jesus, including that He would be born in Bethlehem and that he would bring salvation to people throughout the world.
Ten Prophecies Fulfilled by Jesus
3. Isaiah foreshadowed the virgin birth of Jesus
Bible passage: Isaiah 7:14
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: 5 BC
In Isaiah 7:14, the prophet delivers what many Christians consider to be a dual prophecy, one that was fulfilled symbolically 2700 years ago, and one that was fulfilled literally with the birth of Jesus about 2000 years ago. The symbolic part of the prophecy correctly stated that a political alliance that threatened Jewish sovereignty about 2700 years ago would fail in a short amount of time. That amount of time was defined as the amount of time that it takes for a child to learn right from wrong. But, Christians believe that this prophecy has a second meaning, that there would be someone born of a virgin, who would be referred to as "Immanuel," which means, "God with us." According to the New Testament, Jesus was born of the virgin Mary and is the Son of God.
5. The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem
Bible passage: Micah 5:21
Written: sometime between 750-686 BC
Fulfilled: 5 BC
In Micah 5:2, there is a prophecy that many Christians point to as evidence that Jesus is the Messiah. In this Bible passage, Micah said that a great ruler would be born in Bethlehem, a small town in southern Israel. Jesus was born in Bethlehem, as recorded in Matthew 2:1, about 2000 years ago.
4. The Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah
Bible passage: Genesis 49:10
Written: perhaps 1400 BC
Fulfilled: 5 BC
In Genesis 49:10, Jacob is blessing his 12 sons. This blessing was also a prophecy. Jacob told his son Judah that his descendants will be rulers and that one of his descendants will be an ultimate ruler.
it's the fact that there was a post. but, bumps are not neccessary because an edit on a post will also put it back on top. so instead of posting the word, ppl should just add something or fix something in an old post.
(i think lol)
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I absolutely love this thread, always have. It is one of the only sane places to go the day after a new episode. The top page is absolutely littered with either trolls or children. It drives me insane when there are 10 posts that say the same thing on the top page. We also get newbies that registered today that just need things explained to them that they didn't catch. There is nothing wrong with that, it just clogs up the top page. It is a total shame when the top page has very little if nothing interesting to read.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Just wanted to rant for a bit. You guys are great!
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Just finished catching up. Some good stuff you guys.
Cac-Sun and her medical knowledge. Seems to know a lot more than just herbal remedies.
Clueless-all the people loosing limbs-humm.
Me-all the references to committed-made me think of another meaning for that word.
The design on Jack's t-shirt. Lions and a crown with a yen yang? East meets west? Sun and Jack working together to help Boone.
Transfusion-before I could finish the thought, where'd they get the tubing?-I realized it was from the oxygen mask. I thought this was brilliant on the part of the writers. As was the sea urchin spine. Reminded me of when Hurley stepped on one and was trying to get Jin to *** on his foot.
Davis-missing tattoo
(bump is a naughty word-watch out if she ask you "What's your blood type?)
fed-I agree about this thread-thanks again cac! Now, I'm off to post on your wife's thread-couldn't do it yesterday-too much baggage.
A tip on refreshing/posting-if you hit refresh/post and immediately click on the page in the thread or outside the post box it won't send you back to the first page.
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this has been a test of the emergency LOST broadcast system. if this had bean a real emergency, the alert would be followed with instructions.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
this was only a test
(haha that test failed, let's try again....)
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By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
Naughty, what was all that about, and how is that better than a bump, if that's what you were trying to do? I guess I don't get it... Oh, was it a double post? I hate it when that happens!
We also get newbies that registered today that just need things explained to them that they didn't catch. There is nothing wrong with that, it just clogs up the top page. It is a total shame when the top page has very little if nothing interesting to read.
Fed, I agree! I was just saying to someone the other day I wish there could be a post or a link perminetly on the first page of the thread titled: "All Newbies, read this before posting!" It would contain a list of FAQs, and a list of things NOT to ask on the board, especially the day after a new episode!
sdog, lots of great thoughts there. thanks!
oh, what did you mean when you said "bump is a naughty word" and the part about if she asks your blood type?
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ME, I would be content if newbies just read the subject lines on the first two pages before posting. Sometimes two or three posts with the exact same content will be right next to each other! ARRGGHH!!!
Yes, I agree, Sun seems to be a pretty decent nurse!
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Just a thought. I notice the word "kiddo" is used quite often. Pilot called Kate "kiddo" I believe Locke called the little boy "kiddo" and last night Jack's dad called him "kiddo." No conspiracy theory here, just something I noticed!
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ME, I'm reading your Jack analysis on p. 59 and agreeing with every word. The suicide spoiler was revealed during the "Where was Jack?" discussion that I think you were part of about a month ago, along with the nervous breakdown. I think I'd forgotten about it when we were IMing about it, but reading the J/K ship reminded me of it. I think the breakdown and suicide would have been a better episode, and I don't see how a suicide attempt could be tacked on to the end of the wedding episode, so I think more than that was changed. As I said, I'm hopeful that we'll eventually see that story.
I think Kate's fear of the delivery is important and there have been other things that have made me think she's had a child. The toy plane is one possibility, but I can't think of the others now. Anyway, I just think that Kate might have had a child whereas I'm quite certain about Jack and Sun & Jin.
Jack's blood type is O-, the Universal Blood type... giving him the ability to help/save "all"?
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I knew that would be the case as soon as he said Boone needed a transfusion.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Homer, not sure if you've read this, but another theory about Locke's temporary paralysis is that when the trebuchet hit the hatch, It affected whatever it is on the island that makes him able to walk (electromagnetic field ?) and that when Boone's radio transmission was noticed, the EMF was turned back on, enabling him to walk again.
Jack doesn't wear a ring, posibly because he couldn't in surgery. I agree with ME that he probably has it somewhere.
I've read that Fox had the tattoos before the show, but that they would be incorporated. I wonder if they have to do with Jack losing his wife?
I have to disagree with the idea of Locke sacrificing Boone. Locke didn't know the plane would fall and he was actually telling Boone to get out of it. Besides that, Locke had begun to look upon Boone as a son.
sdog: Me-all the references to committed-made me think of another meaning for that word.
Good point.
Why did Claire go off into the jungle alone when she was in labour? I think she already suspected when she left the beach. Was she trying to get to Charlie and Jack at the caves? Was she trying to avoid giving birth?
My feeling about bumps is that they clutter up the thread, especially when we're trying not to let the threads get too long. I try to edit to bump whenever possible. And if there are any spelling mistakes in this post, they were done on purpose so that I'll have something to come back to edit when I want to bump.
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My feeling about bumps is that they clutter up the thread, especially when we're trying not to let the threads get too long. I try to edit to bump whenever possible. And if there are any spelling mistakes in this post, they were done on purpose so that I'll have something to come back to edit when I want to bump.
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ok i have a random thing brain child whoosie whatsie... when Shannon and Sayid were at the beach and talking, she said she needs to take it slow. ??? how could you take it slow on an island?? you see eachother everyday, there's no such thing as dates. i just shook my head when i heard her say that lol.
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By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
My feeling about bumps is that they clutter up the thread, especially when we're trying not to let the threads get too long. I try to edit to bump whenever possible. And if there are any spelling mistakes in this post, they were done on purpose so that I'll have something to come back to edit when I want to bump.
Good idea, cac! I had never thought of doing this before.
By the way, I also disagree about Locke sacrificing Boone... I don't think that's what happened. I now thing what Locke has been "giving" the island is respect and his protection... knocking Sayid out to prevent communication, keeping Boone from telling anyone about the hatch, etc.
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Naughty, I think she was saying that she wanted a real relationship with him. In order to have that, they shouldn't have sex yet. I think it was meant to be in contrast with her previous relationships which seem to have ended up in bed pretty quickly.
I wonder if we'll see more of Sayid's romantic side in his next flashbacks? When he said he had "hopes but not expectations," I thought that might have another meaning in his episode.
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I knew that would be the case as soon as he said Boone needed a transfusion.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Homer, not sure if you've read this, but another theory about Locke's temporary paralysis is that when the trebuchet hit the hatch, It affected whatever it is on the island that makes him able to walk (electromagnetic field ?) and that when Boone's radio transmission was noticed, the EMF was turned back on, enabling him to walk again.
Jack doesn't wear a ring, posibly because he couldn't in surgery. I agree with ME that he probably has it somewhere.
I've read that Fox had the tattoos before the show, but that they would be incorporated. I wonder if they have to do with Jack losing his wife?
I have to disagree with the idea of Locke sacrificing Boone. Locke didn't know the plane would fall and he was actually telling Boone to get out of it. Besides that, Locke had begun to look upon Boone as a son.
sdog: Me-all the references to committed-made me think of another meaning for that word.
Good point.
Why did Claire go off into the jungle alone when she was in labour? I think she already suspected when she left the beach. Was she trying to get to Charlie and Jack at the caves? Was she trying to avoid giving birth?
My feeling about bumps is that they clutter up the thread, especially when we're trying not to let the threads get too long. I try to edit to bump whenever possible. And if there are any spelling mistakes in this post, they were done on purpose so that I'll have something to come back to edit when I want to bump.
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My feeling about bumps is that they clutter up the thread, especially when we're trying not to let the threads get too long. I try to edit to bump whenever possible. And if there are any spelling mistakes in this post, they were done on purpose so that I'll have something to come back to edit when I want to bump.
ROFL
ok i have a random thing brain child whoosie whatsie... when Shannon and Sayid were at the beach and talking, she said she needs to take it slow. ??? how could you take it slow on an island?? you see eachother everyday, there's no such thing as dates. i just shook my head when i heard her say that lol.
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By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
My feeling about bumps is that they clutter up the thread, especially when we're trying not to let the threads get too long. I try to edit to bump whenever possible. And if there are any spelling mistakes in this post, they were done on purpose so that I'll have something to come back to edit when I want to bump.
Good idea, cac! I had never thought of doing this before.
By the way, I also disagree about Locke sacrificing Boone... I don't think that's what happened. I now thing what Locke has been "giving" the island is respect and his protection... knocking Sayid out to prevent communication, keeping Boone from telling anyone about the hatch, etc.
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Naughty, I think she was saying that she wanted a real relationship with him. In order to have that, they shouldn't have sex yet. I think it was meant to be in contrast with her previous relationships which seem to have ended up in bed pretty quickly.
I wonder if we'll see more of Sayid's romantic side in his next flashbacks? When he said he had "hopes but not expectations," I thought that might have another meaning in his episode.
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By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
I agree, cac. I think Shannon's comment about "taking it slow" was her waying of saying to Sayid that she didn't want to hop onto the palm fronds with Sayid right way... and that she wanted to take more time to get to know each other, etc.
Now, with that said, I imagine it will take a lot less time for them to get to know each other being stuck with each other on an island like that - especially where none of them have to go to work, and no one seems to be motivated or interested in building any type of shelter, explore the island, or anything else very productive except build a raft that we know isn't going to be going to far beyond the beach.
Shannon's comment about "taking it slow" was her waying of saying to Sayid that she didn't want to hop onto the palm fronds with Sayid right way... and that she wanted to take more time to get to know each other, etc.
Cac/Sea:
of course, no doubt about it. i just thought it sounded blonde being thay are stuck on an island lol... i dunno
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needscaffeine and naughty--i watch a lot of CSI and Law and Order and read a lot of sci-fi so the DNA thing came to me really quick lol
some questions about last nights show......
how did Sun get the poison out of the urchin? does the poison disappear after it dies?
who else used to tell Jack he couldn't do things? His father kind of said that when he said "you're not a writer, you're a doctor" kind of like saying leave the creative stuff alone you're only good at fixing people--i kind of had the feeling (by the way Jack looked at his father) that Jack had wanted to do something else when he was younger but was kind of forced into being a doctor like his dad.
it was kind of weird when Claire asked about the raft. She didn't seem worried about it before and the all of a sudden she wants to know about it. I don't think she wants to leave the island. And i think the division of sides will end up being who wants to leave vs. who wants to stay. For some being on the island has been a "good" thing. Locke got the use of his legs back, Walt got his father back, Sun finally got her independence back, and Hurley is away from his curse. I think there's going to be more people that find their new life on the island is more attractive than the one they once lived.
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By: OneisLost ( 386 Posts ) Registered: Nov 21, 2004 08:52 AM
Davis, I trashed the pic after I sent it.
the characters are Chinese except for the last one on the right which she thinks might be Korean.
I've thought about Boone/Locke in DEM and their relationship changed in that episode and I haven't seen anyone mention it. Boone was in control up until he got hurt. Locke's influence was waning. We see Boone as assertive from the very beginning and he's downright threatening when he tosses that statue out the plane door/window. I do think Locke set him up after having the vision. I think he knew exactly what was going to happen and we just didn't see it all. When he was calling to Boone to get out of the plane it wasn't a frantic, "Oh God get out the thing is going to fall over!" type of yell. His tone of voice was more annoyed and I think he didn't want Boone talking on that radio.
"I've done everything you've asked." including sacrificing Boone. His emotion was genuine but, it wasn't remorseful.
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Don't know if we'll ever get to see the "breakdown" episode because Eisner and co. are a bunch of wimps... This is very disappointing to me, because considering how well MF does angsty, imagine how awesome those scenes were....
I thinking that instead, they're going to do the Sarah dies in a car accident storyline and that's why Jack ratted on Daddy. I mean the fact that Jack was in the hospital and they still paged Christian might be a major clue for us. Perhaps, the ER doctor didn't think that Jack was capable of handling the situation considering that his own pregnant wife died in a similar accident.
Other notes:
- I loved the Sun/ Jack dynamic; it makes you wish the YK had gotten the part of Kate.
- Locke isn't dying anytime soon and neither is Jack. It's most obvious that they're setting up Locke and Jack as the main rivals on the island. The "locke" and the "key" if one is really into symbolism.
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By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
I mean the fact that Jack was in the hospital and they still paged Christian might be a major clue for us. Perhaps, the ER doctor didn't think that Jack was capable of handling the situation considering that his own pregnant wife died in a similar accident.
Good point! I hadn't thought of that!
I agree that it looks like they're setting up Locke and Jack to be the leaders of the two "sides". I'm brought back to the decal in the tuxedo shop again - the yin-yang crest, with the white crown on top.
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Just want to throw another idea into the pot about Locke and Boone in DEM.The transcript of what the whisperers said when Sawyer heard them had them talking about whether they should talk to him and that maybe he could help them and they decided not to,maybe they decided that Locke was their man but they needed to get him separated from Boone in order to make contact with Locke, inwhich the light coming on is first contact.
Also have been searching for any anomilous areas in Canada and so far have only found 2.Magnetic hill in New Brunswick is one and the other is a Bermuda Triangle like area in Lake Ontario but they don't fit if that is how the polar bears get to the island.Both are too far south so still searching.
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I thought that the Jack trying to save Boone scenes were excellent, the Claire ones were great, the Shannon ones were good (because they set up her guilt), but Jack's flashbacks were out of place in this episode.
Maybe I've just become conditioned to expect unhappy endings in the flashbacks but ...
No, wait. I HAVE been conditioned to expect unhappy endings. That's the POINT of the flashbacks. They have to show us what was wrong with their lives before so that we know what they need to change on the island before they can go home.
I know we were shown little glimpses of Jack's anxiety, but I felt like we were missing the end of the story, and that was the part I was looking forward to.
If I'm right about the EMF being turned back on because of Boone's transmission, then it's ironic that Locke's inability to get Boone out of the plane is what restores his legs.
I think that Locke was trying to blame the Island God for Boone's death just as Jack is trying to blame Locke. They are both trying to avoid their own feelings of guilt.
I don't think there was anything about Locke's behaviour before the end of DEM that would have made the Whisperers trust him. I think it was showing his vulnerability and pleading that made them turn on the light.
Samm, whatever anomalies you find in Canada, you also have to find in Nigeria and the South Pacific.
I'm fairly certain about the numbers being the locations of the portals. If there's a fourth portal, as is rumoured, there should be hints about where it would be, as there have been about Canada and Africa. Has anyone noticed any other location that has frequently been referred to? I think Iraq or France are likely, and locations near both can be found with the numbers.
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Wow, great stuff. I still can't make up my mind about Jack still being married or if she died. The pregancy thing with Christian is still something that is an issue. Jack was just going thru the motions at the hearing and the instant the word "pregnancy" was spoken, he was jerked into an intensity that seemed very personal.
I can't really agree on the ER doctor keeping Jack out of the surgery because of personal issues. Christian wouldn't have thrown it in Jack's face that "they called me, not you" if Jack's pregnant wife had died. Christian was a crappy father, but that is just cold.
I am starting to doubt that for right now, I could easily sway back to the other side of the fence. I would have thought if Jack's wife were pregnant and died they would have tied it into the story last night. It would have been the perfect opportunity with the Claire storyline and Boone kicking the bucket. The parallels between the storylines were perfect. I could be wrong and they will just wait until later to revisit that storyline.
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"Just want to throw another idea into the pot about Locke and Boone in DEM.The transcript of what the whisperers said when Sawyer heard them had them talking about whether they should talk to him and that maybe he could help them and they decided not to,maybe they decided that Locke was their man but they needed to get him separated from Boone in order to make contact with Locke, inwhich the light coming on is first contact."
Absolutely brilliant. That is really good stuff. One of the many reasons I love this thread so much. It makes perfect sense. I like the idea that the whisperers could have been "auditioning" the castaways to see who the right person for the job was. They figured out the Locke was their guy, but the little puppy following Locke needed out of the picture.
ME, yes they are a bunch of wimps. The breakdown would have been much better for the storyline. It is obvious that Jack has issues, show them to us.
Not thinking that Locke's father was at the wedding, he would have stood out, even in the background.
And yes, editing a post is the easiest and most efficient way to bump the entire thread. Even if you have no spelling errors, you can add an exclamation point or change the wording of a sentence. Wanna know one of my secrets? It is also the best way to bump your own threads for responses without looking too sad.
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Cac.I agree there has to be a link to Nigeria and The south Pacific.I also agree the polar bears are arriving this way.That means it has to be in the north.Because of the potential of military involvement your idea, or whoever mentioned it,about the dew line seems like a good area to concentrate.
I rather enjoyed last nights episode, even though there wasn't much on the techie side.I ended up really feeling for Lock after what we learned in DEM, and now this.How much more crap can this guy possibly take.
Now that Boone is gone (rest in peace dude), and the talk of sides, who is going to go with Locke? I'm not so sure any of the survivors feel to kindly toward Locke right now
what with Boones death for which he is blamed,no boar,and his most likely,soon to be revealed secrets.If there are sides and Locke and Jack are the leaders,I think the survivors will side with Jack.Locke will lead someone else.He's being groomed for it.
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Someone else posted a question about why Cooper would be drinking booze if he had kidney problems. Well, booze might have actually been a cause of the kidney disease... and alcoholism is an addiction. Being on dialisis and having kidney problems won't stop many from drinking. Just there are people with lung disease who continue to smoke, even if they know they shouldn't.
Drinking has nothing to do with a kidney problem. Aside from sticking to your usual daily fluid retrictions they don't care if a dialysis patient drinks.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3116112reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 01:17 AM
Some thoughts on doctors not letting go: I'm a nurse in an ICU (Purple lady, people like you are my very favorite patients). We have one particular doctor that won't let go, no matter how far gone the patient is. Some savy nurses out on one of the regular floors actually contacted his wife and arranged to "force" him to attend the patient's funeral after he kept the man hanging on for days, in spite of reality and family wishes. It's just very hard for him to accept that patients die. He's a wonderful person and very tender-hearted, but just can't accept that patients do die. I think Sun did an excellent job of helping give Jack a reality check with Boone, especially when she pulled the needle and tubing off Jack's arm and told him, "You've given enough." She also helped plant the seeds in Jack's mind so that Jack could be ready to consider stopping treatment when Boone told him to let him go.
I wonder if Jack thought that Boone's injuries were a direct result of something Locke did, rather than an accident. I realize there's been discussion about how much Locke knew or could predict about Boone going into the plane, but maybe Jack thought the injuries were intentionally inflicted by Locke. Doctors and nurses can be very territorial about their patients sometimes. So a doctor who already has a hard time letting go, who has also shown suspicion toward Locke (remember the conversation Jack had with Charlie about trusting Locke) might feel that he needs to go after Locke, thinking he has caused a death.
As for calling in Christian to do the surgery instead of Jack, Jack is a neurosurgeon. What the woman needed was a trauma surgeon or general surgeon. A neurosurgeon would not be the first one called in for abdominal injuries. Also, working at a trauma center, there may be multiple surgeons "in house" at a given time, but only one would be "on call" at a time. Why Christian would be drinking when "on call" is another story, but we already know he has a drinking problem, so that's not really surprising.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3117149reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 06:16 AM
When you listen only to the words passed between Jack and Boone, there is a big misunderstanding going on here, and frankly, Jack is in no shape at the moment to be thinking at all. Long and short of it? Jack heard lie...hatch...plane....don't tell. Sounds like murder to someone who isn't thinking rationally.
Glad you joined in Vimes!
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post?reply=true&messageID=3116153reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 01:51 AM
cac I think Kate's fear of the delivery is important and there have been other things that have made me think she's had a child. The toy plane is one possibility, but I can't think of the others now. Anyway, I just think that Kate might have had a child whereas I'm quite certain about Jack and Sun & Jin.
My take on this differs a bit from yours. I teach Pediatric Advanced Life Support classes, and they used to include information about delivering babies. The people in the classes are health care professionals who work with babies and children all the time. But many of those people get very wide-eyed and nervous even talking about the remote possibility of having to help deliver a baby. I thought Kate's portrayal of her situation was really good, because she went into it with a "Who, me? Never!" attitude, then realized that she had no choice. Kate is a very adaptable character, and when faced with the inevitable, she jumped in and did.
I was especially amused by Jin's actions. It really showed the cultural differences. Jin's culture is still very much the same as western culture was 4-5 decades ago when it comes to child birth. The men stayed clear away from the action, out in the waiting room. Western culture has the man at the bedside now, coaching and participating. Charlie was less than assertive about being a coach, probably because the relationship between him and Claire is not as tight as a husband and wife. He also surely did not attend labor classes to learn how to be a coach. When he hesitantly started to get up and go over to Claire, I think it may have been Jin's cultural perspective kicking in, telling Charlie in clear body language that their place was off to the side, in the waiting room, so to speak. But I really enjoyed Jin's smiles in this last episode. We haven't seen many of them in prior epis, and his whole face lights up when he smiles. I hope we see more of them in the future.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3116507reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 04:38 AM
Sun did an excellent job of helping give Jack a reality check with Boone, especially when she pulled the needle and tubing off Jack's arm and told him, "You've given enough." She also helped plant the seeds in Jack's mind so that Jack could be ready to consider stopping treatment when Boone told him to let him go.
she sure likes planting seeds, doesn't she?
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post?reply=true&messageID=3116703reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 05:22 AM
i dont think anyone has mentioned this, but did anyone see any references to the possibility that Boone's mom's wedding company was involved in Jack's wedding?
just wondering. i didnt see anything indicating that, but then again, we never even heard them say "i do". for all we know, Jack really did break up with her at the altar after they kissed and we are led to believe everything is ok, hence his letting go. BIG question mark in my mind.
...off to get the 815 issue of Ent. weekly. today's release date: 4-8-05. woohoo. i bet they were waiting for issue 815 lol
pretty cool tho if you ask me
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post?reply=true&messageID=3116978reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 05:59 AM
By: OneisLost ( 386 Posts ) Registered: Nov 21, 2004 08:52 AM
NY has been mentioned a few times and why not have a portal linked directly to the source?
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post?reply=true&messageID=3117178reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 06:21 AM
Well you guys are still going strong! Great thoughts, and cac, I know it seems I'm not adding much right now, and it's true. I'm not. I'm silent because I promised. Sorry. Last six hours must be taken as a whole to make sense and to have impact. Wait it out. We have all summer to tear it apart.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3117574reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 06:45 AM
I don't post in this thread too often (actually, I think the only other time was to apologize for something). You all are doing so great without my feeble attempts..... And I'm not all that great at articulating what I have been thinking.
I do have one question though. Whey are we limiting ourselves to two groups if they split up?
1. Given how he is going to be percieved when the others discover he has been keeping major secrets, I don't think Locke will have much of a following.
2. I do think that Locke will be the catalyst for a split because of the actions some will take for and against him.
3. You always have a group of people that won't join if sides are taken on a violent issue, and will focus on non-violent things like rescue, escape, arbitration, etc..
4. There is already a semi split with beach and cave - though the split was caused by ideology the interaction is neighborly vice confrontational - so I don't consider this to be a true split.
5. We don't have two leaders that can unite all the survivors into two groups. I think that Jack and Sayid will side somewhat on the retribution side (though they may not side into one group).
Basically what I'm saying is that if you pick an issue, there are certain survivors that fall into either side of that issue. Change the issue, and the membership that is on each side changes. And, as with all issues, there are always more than two sides. I know the whole white/black thing is at play here, but realistically, unless you are putting something like religion into play, it's really hard to gather the troops to just two sides.
Once again however, I may be totally wrong (won't be the first time)
-Brax
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post?reply=true&messageID=3118412reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 07:24 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
I posted this on another thread, and a number of pages back, but it really speaks to what Ada and Vimes are saying here, so I wanted to repost it:
When Kate spoke to Jack on the beach at the end, she said to him, "Boone just died." Jack responded, "He didn't die. He was murdered!"
So, he is rationalizing his failure, or denying that he failed/was unable to save Boone, by convincing himself that Boone didn't die under his watch, but rather - was murdered by Locke.
And now what does he do? He takes on the responsibility, single-handedly, to seek vengence on the person he feels murdered Boone. Thus, the committment continues.
Ada! It's always GREAT to see you here! We love it when you stop by, and when you come in and slip us some hints and clues, but no need for apologies.
Though, I've been dying to know if you've read my post on the top of page 48
Basically what I'm saying is that if you pick an issue, there are certain survivors that fall into either side of that issue. Change the issue, and the membership that is on each side changes. And, as with all issues, there are always more than two sides. I know the whole white/black thing is at play here, but realistically, unless you are putting something like religion into play, it's really hard to gather the troops to just two sides.
Brax, you shouldn't hesitiate to post here! I'm glad you stopped by. You made some very good points, and this summary of yours is great. I'm not sure how they'll play it out on the show, but I agree with you.
There is bound to be some that feel Locke is guilty, but might not agree with how some of them plan to "punish" Locke for his guilt. Some might want to go through some sort of questioning/trial process... and some will want to cut to the chase, eliminating the judicial norms followed by the civilation they left behind. And might hear Locke say it was an accident, and will feel that's good enough.
And I agree... change the "issue", and there will be another group of sides all together.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3118668reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 07:36 AM
Ada! Thanks for stopping in. I brought up the words between Jack and Boone yesterday and was torn apart by newbies, was a little frustrating. People kept jumping at me "Locke didn't murder Boone!" I kept saying "Yes, I know! Look at it from JACK's perpective! What did JACK think?" I just let it go because I was tired of defending my statement. I forgot to bring that little discussion into here.....
Think of it from Jack's perspective.
Locke drops Boone off, lies about what happens, and leaves without any further concern for Boone. Looks very guilty.
Boone tells Jack "Locke made me promise not to tell", add that with the first point, looks even more guilty.
Jack discovers that Boone's injuries are the result of being crushed by something. Add that with the first two points, and it appears from Jack's point of view that Locke beat Boone to a pulp with a blunt instrument after he "broke" the promise not to tell. Any rational person would think that Locke murdered him or was the direct cause of it. Compound all three points together, one after the other, Locke is guilty for sure in the eyes of Jack.
The only argument that Locke could offer "But I brought him back to Jack so Jack could help him." That argument just didn't wash for Jack when he added up the three points together.
And yes, Jack needs to shift the blame to Locke so that he can cope with the death. People can rationalize ANYTHING if they think hard enough, trust me, I see it everyday. If a man can rationalize beating his wife because he thinks she cooked a lousy dinner, then Jack can easily rationalize that not being able to save Boone wasn't his fault.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3118572reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 07:33 AM
One thing that keeps bothering me is Jack's fiance's speech at the rehearsal dinner. I understand the need for her to tell her story for the sake of viewers knowing her background, but of course all the people at the rehearsal would already know the entire story (such occurrences don't happen every day). Anyway, what bothered me was there was no reference to "I love you" or any kind of emotion. It was all so clinical--you're my hero, you fixed me. Yes, I understand that's part of what we need to see as far as "expectations" put on Jack, but when I watched it with my fiance, we both remarked on how bland it was.
Anyway, keep up the great theories! Love this thread.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3118770reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 07:41 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
I kept saying "Yes, I know! Look at it from JACK's perpective! What did JACK think?"
seems like a no-brainer, doesn't it, fed? I have no idea why some people can't wrap their brain around this. I hardly thought it would need explaining to anyone.
Dad, I don't agree that everyone on the island feels that way, at least not about every situation. I've not seen anything that makes me believe that's a concensus.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3118959reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 07:47 AM
By: annipadanni ( 256 Posts ) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 08:05 AM
hi all. took me 8 pages to catch up! i'm liking what i'm hearing. good insight from vimes...nice to have someone in the medical prof. helping out. good to see fed too, haven't seen you in a bit...and ADA!!! hello mylady...hope health is being good to you these days. always nice to see you!
brax...i agree with you and the sides. i have been thinking of the '2 sides' only thing and it's been confusing...because, as you said, what issue would cause the split? would sawyer be with jack? or locke? and kate? she goes back and forth between jack/sawyer...so where would she be?
and then i got to thinking of the raft. there are those who want off the island and those who don't want off. i am suprised that sawyer and kate would want off though, knowing what they both have to (or potentially have to)go back to. but anyway, it true that depending on the issue at hand, different people would be on different 'sides'...so what sides are we going to be breaking into? and how many?
i also am not sure that kate had a baby. i would lean towards NOT. as one who has had 4, i would certainly be able to help out a first timer! i mean, with breathing, pushing, what to expect, etc. she seemed just as 'lost' as claire and i think was just going through the motions of what she heard charlie tell her that jack said...and maybe some of what we've all heard from tv/movies.
i've been convinced for some time that 'baby issues' surround jack and sun/jin. i am more and more certain as time goes on. i also think that jack lost sarah and a baby (whether born or unborn) to an accident/murder. do we know how long ago jack FB's were? any idea the year he married sarah...and if she said it had been 2 years since her accident...just wondering if it will coincide with lockes parali-thingy-majigger...(like the same accident maybe).
cac, can i ask why you guys are looking into areas in canada? what makes you think that is a place to be looking??? also, God help me...but would you please re-explain the whole portals ( i know your theory there) in connection to the numbers, coordinates, etc. i have seen pieces here and there and i am trying to see it all as you do, but i am having trouble.
and lady A, if you are still reading here, can you give any sort of a heads up on this? a yes or no would do...i mean, is this the right track or not? i would have sworn that in the past, we got confirmation to stay away from the sci-fi stuff...and if tesseracts and dropping in/out time portals isn't sci-fi (at this point i don't think either have been PROVEN to work)then what is?
i am trying to be open-minded here... but i would really love not to waste my time, if that is indeed what all of that talk is...if not, then i need to brush up on it all and change my way of thinking. so, please....help me!
thanks to you all!
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post?reply=true&messageID=3119073reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 07:53 AM
ME, you would be surprised how many times I had to edit for emphasis on that little statement and people still didn't get it. "Dude, I'm telling you, Locke did not beat Boone with a blunt instrument after he made
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him promise not to tell. That just doesn't make sense." I thought I had typed it in Greek and just gave up. Hope it will be a little better received in here. fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
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post?reply=true&messageID=3119375reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 08:08 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
ME, you would be surprised how many times I had to edit for emphasis on that little statement and people still didn't get it. "Dude, I'm telling you, Locke did not beat Boone with a blunt instrument after he made him promise not to tell. That just doesn't make sense." I thought I had typed it in Greek and just gave up. Hope it will be a little better received in here.
you'll get no arguement from me about it. I totally agree with you, and completely got it the first time i saw it on the show. I have no idea why so many people are not understanding it. It's not one of those "hidden" things. It's right there... flat out... straight in your face... THERE.
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By: annipadanni ( 256 Posts ) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 08:05 AM
fed,
Dude, I'm telling you, Locke did not beat Boone with a blunt instrument after he made him promise not to tell. That just doesn't make sense.
also, the marshall??? hello, he IS a marshall, i mean why would they be calling him "marshall" if he wasn't???
AND, that radio transmission? it said..."...........
OK ! JUST KIDDING!!!!! i agree with you, completely. i don't know why people can't get things. i for one enjoy ALL of your posts and ideas, you are one that i look for when lurking...because i trust you've always got some good insight. the newbies? well, we were all there at one point, but i will say, i lurked and 'got my feet wet' waaaayyyy before i ever started to post...
anyway, come back home anytime...you're always welcome here.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3119426reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 08:10 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
WHAT? Anni! You only look for FED'S posts? girl, you are SO off my party invite list!
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post?reply=true&messageID=3119463reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 08:11 AM
Wanna have some fun on May 5th, the day after the next new episode? When you are reading posts, look at the date people registered. We get flooded with people who register and run on one day only and never come back!! ARRRGGGHH!!!
You make a good point, people CALLED him a Marshal, maybe......
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post?reply=true&messageID=3119508reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 08:13 AM
And if you already included this and I missed it, sorry.
Addendum;
From Jacks's point of view, the ommision of the details of the accident, details that would have let Jack pursue a different course of treatment. He would have looked for injuries sustained by crushing instead of just broken bones from a fall. Locke is a murderer because he didn't allow Jack to save Boone.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3119680reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 08:21 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
brax, I see your point, but I don't think Jack could have saved Boone no matter if Locke had told him the whole story or not. It sounds like Boone had a lot of internal injuries. Perhaps vimes can confirm, but Boone was starting to cough up blood... indication of internal bleeding, yes? Injuries so severe that I don't think even Jack would be able to improvise a "fix".
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post?reply=true&messageID=3119646reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 08:20 AM
By: annipadanni ( 256 Posts ) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 08:05 AM
ME, what party? is it themed? can i dress up? i think i'll come as a US marshall...
ok, for you and fed...i know ME's thoughts on the tesseract/portal thing, but what you fed? i don't see you posting much on that topic. can i get your insight?
let me see if i can get this straight. cac and the others who are on this line of thinking took the numbers and ran them as coordinants, right? came up near nigera. so where are they getting the other 3 spots (4 portals). and where did the 4 portals come from? i swear i've read this entire thread...all 3 parts, i really try to pay attention...but i've missed this and the how they came up with it. ME, can you help me out with where it might have been discussed and explained thoroughly?
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post?reply=true&messageID=3119859reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 08:30 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
Anni, I think someone might have mentioned four portals in another thread... but a lot of things are "mentioned" on the board, so I'm not sure why there would be any degree of signifiance to the mention in "four portals" to make anyone dig in so deeply. When I saw "four portals" mentioned, there was nothing else mentioned... just four portals along with a few other items... like the mobile in the baby store that Michael and Susan were in had African animals on it?
I guess cac will have to fill you in more about why she putting so much stock in "four portals".
As far the numbers and coordinates go - I'm not sure. I know someone put in the numbers as Long and Lat coordinates in mapquest and got a place in Africa... just south of Nigeria. I think after that, cac shuffled the numbers around and kept putting them into mapquest as coordinates until she found a location off the coast of Canada... feeling that is a portal.
My only issue with that is that if you shuffle around those numbers enough times, using them as coordinates, you could really find locations all over the world. Are they ALL then "portals"? If not, how do you pick and choose - just ignore the ones that don't fit the theory, and then keep the ones that do support your theory?
I say this not in support of the portals. I'm just trying to explain what I know - but I'm a bit "lost" on this one too.
I too thought we had a very firm confirmation from herself relatively recently (at least in the past month or so), that there are NO portals. WIsh I could find that post!
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post?reply=true&messageID=3119750reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 08:25 AM
LOL ME - I didn't mean to imply that Jack could have saved him, meerly his perception that given all the information, he could have saved him. Taking into account all of is issues with letting someone go, any little thing could/would be used to justify his position.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3119933reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 08:33 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
Oh fed, the Wrinkle in Time thread! My eyes, my eyes! The pain, the pain!
Hey, you know what would be funny? They should give Danielle a pet... maybe a pet boar... and when they finally get to be chummy with her, she says, "Meet my pet boar. His name is Tesseract."
And there we'd finally have it - the tesseract on the island. The one and only tessearct.
(hee hee)
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post?reply=true&messageID=3120159reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 08:42 AM
Whatever happened to each episode opening on the FB character's eye? They did it for almost every episode and then just stopped. Did I miss a discussion about this? If so, could you just point me in the right direction?
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post?reply=true&messageID=3120535reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 08:56 AM
By: annipadanni ( 256 Posts ) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 08:05 AM
fed,
ugghhhh...arrrgggghhhh....grooooaaan. not the wrinkle in time thing. ok, i GET the THEORY of the tesseracts/portals thing. i don't fully understand how cac got that there were 4 and the locales of each one. i was wondering how that all came up.
i agree with ME on the switcheroo thing with the numbers as coordinants...just seems like a stretch to me.
so, do YOU buy into this theory? does the hatch lead to a tesseract? is that where alex went? remember...your credibility with me is on the line here! ha!
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Whatever happened to each episode opening on the FB character's eye? They did it for almost every episode and then just stopped. Did I miss a discussion about this? If so, could you just point me in the right direction? fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
I don't think they have done this on every episode... but you're right in that it has been the majority. I believe they've only done it on ONE of each character's FB episodes. For example, they did it on Locke's first FB epi, but not second. They did it on Michael's first FB epi, so they probably won't his second. They did it on Jack's first FB epi, but not second. Not sure if they did it on Sawyer's first FB epi, but I doubt it, since they started he second with the eye close-up.
Does this make sense?
I think Sayid's first FB epi start with close up of his eye, and if so, this upcoming epi. probably won't start with a close up of his eye.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3121281reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 09:22 AM
By: annipadanni ( 256 Posts ) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 08:05 AM
ME, i agree. i think they only show the eye in one of each of their FB episodes, however, i still don't know the meaning of this. just to show us that we will be seeing things through their eyes?
i remember jack, sawyer, locke, micheal, charlie, boone.
but i'm not remembering sun, jin, hurley, kate...hmmm. guess i need to go back and rewatch
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post?reply=true&messageID=3122158reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 09:52 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
anni, if you go look at the screen caps, i think they do show the "eye" shot for every epi. that started with one.
i think Rising Sun did start with Jin's eye... I think... either Sun's or Jin's... i forget which, but i'm thinking Jin.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3122362reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 09:58 AM
Hey, sorry to interrupt, but through my lurking I saw that Fed posted info. about the new Entertainment Weekly. I just got mine in the mail and the rest of the season looks to answer a lot of questions according to Lindelof.
We'll find out who A&E are and what their story was and what they were doing w/ the black and white stones.
We'll see how Sawyer is involved in Shannon/Boone's history.
We'll find out who hit Sayid over the head because that person will confess it.
The raft will set sail before the season ends.
Okay...sorry Fed, I know this info it there, but it is so exciting I had to repeat it.
Back to lurking
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post?reply=true&messageID=3122493reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 10:02 AM
By: Mrshen ( 75 Posts ) Registered: Jan 06, 2005 10:09 AM
Hi,
Don't post much but I read this thread religiously, because it's really great stuff. I just thought I'd throw my two cents in here about a couple of things I noticed.
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1. Rainnedrop said, "Anyway, what bothered me was there was no reference to "I love you" or any kind of emotion." Referring to the speech by Sarah before the wedding. I totally thought the same thing when I was watching. Haven't seen anyone else mention it. fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
2. I have seen a couple of posts about why Claire was asking about the completion of the raft and how it was strange that she was asking. I don't think it was strange at all, I think that she was asking because she was scared to have her baby on the island and was hoping that the raft would set sail and return with help before the birth.
Anyway, nothing earth shattering just a couple of things I'd been thinking about that I hadn't seen much about.
Proceed with your discussions.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3122600reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 10:06 AM
By: annipadanni ( 256 Posts ) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 08:05 AM
Rain, cool. thanks for that. i'm excited about the A&E part!
i saw where A said that the last 6 hours need to be taken as a whole. that will be interesting. i can't wait for it to all unfold, that way i can go back and watch all of the episode from 1 thru the finale...how exciting!
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post?reply=true&messageID=3122764reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 10:12 AM
By: annipadanni ( 256 Posts ) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 08:05 AM
mrshen & rain...
i also agree about the speech sarah gave. i was uncomfortable during that whole scene. almost like she was over doing it. i've seen julie bowen in other things and she is a good actress...but her part in this was strange. she sounded urgent, forceful and it wasn't lovey-dovey in anyway. i was really taken aback by her. i didn't feel anything about her, and didn't feel any kind of connection between she and jack.
i just 'knew' that he was marrying her because she was pregnant, or he felt forced into it. i also thought he was going to walk away at the alter. although, we dont for sure that they actually did go through with it, do we?
and ME, thanks for the screen cap idea...i did't think to go look! thanks.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3123044reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 10:22 AM
I am glad i'm not the only one to noticed that. I was sure either it was just me, or that it had already been discussed and I missed it. The speech sounded like it could have gone either way like, "You're my hero and I love you" or "You're my hero, you fixed me, and that's ALL you care about." I was sure she was going to break it off w/ him right there, thinking that Sarah had an inkling that Jack's heart wasn't in it, but it didn't happen. Yes, very weird and uncomfortable to watch
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post?reply=true&messageID=3123092reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 10:22 AM
By: tribalpanda ( 48 Posts ) Registered: Oct 30, 2004 06:03 AM
I agree with the sentiments everyone has with Sarah's speech. It felt as if she was marrying him as a sign of thanks, sort of a poorly thought out thank-you for his work. It was strange to watch because I could almost see the same thoughts running through Jack's head
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post?reply=true&messageID=3123439reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 10:34 AM
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
I agree about Sarah's speech to Jack. He almost seemed a bit awkward, and even embarassed by it. I think it hit him that she was marrying him out of gratitude. I mean, she probably DOES love him, and he loves her... but not "in" love. I know others have said this as well, but I'm just saying I agree. They've been through a lot together, and I'm sure have developed deep admiration and respect for what they both accomplished... but that's no reason to get married. However, he made a committment... so... there was his struggle with the vows. If he couldn't find the words to express his love for her, then maybe it means there weren't any.
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I have seen a couple of posts about why Claire was asking about the completion of the raft and how it was strange that she was asking. I don't think it was strange at all, I think that she was asking because she was scared to have her baby on the island and was hoping that the raft would set sail and return with help before the birth. fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
I did post about this, however, I didn't mean to say I thought it was "strange" that she was asking about this... even if I used that word. I just thought it "meant" something that they showed her do that. And that it might not mean the obvious. I was just posing the thought... questioning her intention. Many people have wondered if she remembers more than she's letting on, and that many even the whisperers or someone helped her escape from Ethan, and she is therefore helping them... perhaps even spying. I don't think she'd do anything she knowingly thought would harm her fellow castaways, but I just thought maybe she was asking about the raft for other reasons besides wondering about the ETA on a rescue.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3137133reply Posted: Apr 09, 2005 01:15 AM
I too agree with the feelings about Jack's fiance's speech. I kept thinking to myself that she was not really in love with him, but you know how people fall in love with their doctors?? Like that. Hero worship. He is her "hero" because he was able to make her walk again. She loves the doctor, not the man.
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post?reply=true&messageID=3123389reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 10:33 AM
I wanted to add some research about Exodus + Artz.
I noticed that cac found something about Hebrew astrology, but I was curious to find if that Hebrew word was used in the Bible, particularly in the book of Exodus. So here's what I've learned so far:
There are different systems of transliterating the Hebrew alphabet into ours, so another way to write "Artz" would be "Erets". It is used over 100 times in Exodus, translated into English as "earth", "land" (of Egypt, of Midian, etc.), "wilderness", "ground", and "dust".
I think this link will take you to a basic definition, on the left you can click on Exodus to see where appears in the Exodus text.
I think I was hoping that it would be prominent in Exodus 8:15 or something crazy like that, but no such luck!
Then I looked up "erets" in an reference book I have at home (Vines Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words). Lots of stuff about "erets", probably unrelated to Lost, but a few quotes got my attention...
"Erets may be translated 'earth', the temporal scene of human activity, experience, and history..."
Also,
"The Hebrew word erets also occurs frequently in the phrase 'heaven and earth' or 'earth and heaven'. In other words, the Scriptures teach that our terrestrial planet is a part of an all-embracing cosmological framework which we call the universe. Not the result of accident or innate forces, the unfathomed reaches of space and its uncounted components owe their origin to the Lord..."
Don't know what this could be pointing to, but maybe we will recognize some of this in Mr. Artz when we meet him???
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Fed...OMG i thought you had it!! oops... that's why I was sorry I was repeating. There is so much more too. They ask the characters their favorite/least favorite conspiracy theoies, and their favorite moments. EW tells of their favorite moments for each character too. fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
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post?reply=true&messageID=3124066reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 10:53 AM
By: annipadanni ( 256 Posts ) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 08:05 AM
anni....Sorry, you asked, I answered.
fed, no apologies. you're still good in my book!
did anyone see the interview w/ian (boone) on regis and kelly yesterday?
he said that we'd see a part or a piece of the 'monster' in the finale. hmmmmm...
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post?reply=true&messageID=3124088reply Posted: Apr 08, 2005 10:54 AM
Didn't see the Regis and Kelly but did see him on GMA. I feel for him...he really didn't know what to say (although some of the questions Robin Roberts asked were exactly groundbreaking!)
By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
Fed, I think I've heard Sawyer call Jin "Kato" before (at least I think so), but could never figure out how he got that - so thanks for the explanation! I kept thinking OJ's buddy, Kato Kalen, and just did NOT get how that would fit.
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What's up everyone. New to the boards so don't tear me up like other newbies, jk.
Now let me get some thoughts out:
Green Lantern is green and the flash is red. Maybe has something to with colors seen in the past that do with red and green, such as kate, green envelope that contained the plane and coopers file in red just to name a few.
Something i notice on the last episode was the use of orchids. If we got back to some of suns and jins we see he gave it to her out of love. If you notice Suns shirt, it shows images of a white orchid and a bird siiting next to it. Don't know what kind it was but it looks like that little one flying around in the lost game.
Also the white orchids seemed to be center pieces in jacks wedding.
And a reason as to maybe why the focus is on the eyes of each person before a FB is that eyes are the windows to the souls and with each new flashback we delve deeper into the inner workings of what each characters and why the do the things the do.
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About "Kato"-- My first thought was back to the Pink Panther movies. Maybe WAY off base, but thought of the character Cato. I can't remember much detail about the series of movies, been awhile since I have viewed them. But I believe he is an Asian character? Any Pink Panther fans?
Then I decided to do a search on imdb.com-- Kato is the nickname for Jim O Hagan, a visual effects person on the X Files. Much less likely to mean something, but interesting/amusing given some people's past comparisons to that series.
By: annipadanni ( 256 Posts ) Registered: Jan 17, 2005 08:05 AM
Cato (Burt Kwouk)
Cato is Clouseau's servant, trained in the martial arts.
could be, given that he is oriental (chinese?) and knows martial arts. and being a servant is another connection, since jin was a waiter at the party. also, the tie in of a 'servant' on appearance and yet a trained fighter underneath is also a possibility. since most of us thought/think that jin is more than what he appears to be.
notice his hearing? he heard the sling shot that ethan used way before it hit him...and then hearing kate's screams over the waves and other noise. he is intune with his senses...very much a martial arts kind of thing, am i right?
fed, all of that is also true of bruce lee in the green hornet, i think. i looked it up, was only on for one season...i looked up the episode titles, none hit home with anything for me...but who knows? they are both oriental/matial arts guys named cato/kato...
anyway, there's my 2 cents, for what it's worth!
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I agree with Jin being very intune with his senses. I missed his episode () but what i've been able to gather about him is he was some type of assassin. If he was then he'd have to be able to defend himself and be schooled in many forms of martial arts. I think there's a LOT more to Jin than we know and i can't wait to find out more. I also hope we get to see more smiles from him like someone else mentioned.
also has it been established what year the survivors are living in? For all we know it could be like 3000 something and everyone in that time could have some type of special powers--maybe the ones on the island don't have them yet or are there until they realize they have them too ( i watch WAY too many sci-fi movies lol)
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Something just doesn't sit right with me concerning Jin and Sun. They are the only couple on the island from the get go. Sun comes off as a meek, shy women and jin comes off as an abrasive shadow trying to shade Sun from contact or interaction with others. Sun has gardening skills, jin has fishing skills. It would
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seem that these 2 are already in balance with nature around them and would fit that Sun is the ying and jin the yang. This made me think of the fact that they split is significant. So i looked up jin and this is what i foundfficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
http://www.answers.com/jin&r=67
Tsin or Chin (both: jhĭn) , dynasty of China that ruled from 265 to 420, after the period of the Three Kingdoms. It was divided into two phases: the Western Tsin (265-317) and the Eastern Tsin (317-420). The dynasty was founded by the Wei general Ssu-ma Yen, who by 280 had completed the conquest of China. But after his death in 290, the empire fell apart again in the dynastic struggle known as the Revolt of Eight Kings. Meanwhile the northern nomadic Xiongnu (Huns) attacked the Chinese frontier and, in the 310s, destroyed the two capitals of the Western Tsin in Northern China. In 317, a prince of the Ssu-ma family established the Eastern Tsin dynasty, one of the Six Dynasties, at Nanjing, in Southern China. A series of dynasties, mainly of barbaric origin, ruled N China for about 250 years. The Eastern Tsin relied on the support of great northern families, who brought Chinese culture to the southeast. A large number of Buddhist texts were translated into Chinese from Indian or Central Asian sources as Buddhism gained popularity. Its art, architecture, and philosophy greatly influenced the culture of both Western and Easter Tsin. Some of the best-known Chinese cultural figures lived in this period, such as the poet T'ao Ch'ien (T'ao Yuan-ming, 372?-427), the artist Ku K'ai-chih (344-406?), and the calligrapher **** Hsi-chih (321-379). In the period between the division of the Tsin and the founding of the Sui dynasty, China was never united.
This might have something to do with the split that is going to take place. It also mentions something about the Revolt of the 8 Kings.
For some reason i have this feeling Sun is bad. I also believe she is the one posioning but i could be wrong. I just thought that it was a little handy to have a non toxic sea urchin at the ready.
but i'm rambling so i bid you all farewell.
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Great thoughts everyone! dognamedmurray posted this and it really got my attention
Here are the vows that Sarah wrote for Jack.
"My Heart Skips Beats At The Sound of Your Voice
My Skin Warms To The Touch Of Your Fingers
Where You Go, I Will Go...."
Then Christian cuts off the reading with et cetera et cetera. Seems kinda like the whole right hand, left hand thing, don't ya think?
Did you catch that? "Where you go, I will go"
She made a vow to go with Jack wherever he goes. Hmmm...that is really interesting. You could draw dozens of meanings from that from literal to spirtual. If they were still married, why didn't she go to Austrailia with Jack to bring back his father? Seems like a place she would go if she made the vow and was still with him. That last line of the vows has to be an important clue. It seems like a clue as to the current status of their relationship.
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Good thoughts dog!! The vows have to be an important clue, they wouldn't have put them in if they weren't.
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So i looked it up and found an interesting connection to all sorts of things from locations to various colors and what not. It would also seem that the white orchid is a part of this family of plants as well. Still working away trying to find connections.
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By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
hurley and all, i know you mean well and are just trying to help, but PLEASE don't bump us just to help us reach 1000. We've already had to start two new threads because we keep getting too long, so we're not in any rush to reach the 1000 goal... we'd all much rather reach that with real posts. Thanks anyway.
Cato (Burt Kwouk)
Cato is Clouseau's servant, trained in the martial arts.
could be, given that he is oriental (chinese?) and knows martial arts. and being a servant is another connection, since jin was a waiter at the party. also, the tie in of a 'servant' on appearance and yet a trained fighter underneath is also a possibility.
Knowing Sawyer, he might have actually been making the Pink Panther reference rather than the Green Lantern reference... though I agree either would fit. I'm not sure if now if it's really a clue or nto thing - and have a feeling it's probably not something that we should be spending a lot of time on at this point though.
As far as flowers go, I actually saw a lot of Bird of Paradise (I think that's what they're called) flowers in the FBs/wedding scenes this past week - they are what caught my eye the most.
Also, I think Kate's envelope was blue, not green.
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Robber #1 writhes on the ground, incredulous that Maggie would set them up. Kate responds, "My name's not Maggie". She gets the Manager's keys, and with her customer key, opens the box. Inside she finds a small green envelope.
Go to the epsiode guide, click the epsiode 12 "Whatever the Case May Be" and scroll down to the bottom.
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Hey fed! Thanks for putting it over here! Not sure I could have typed it over again.! fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
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ME, I gladly concede that either reference would fit. Not really sure how the Green Hornet would fit, I saw the connection, posted it for some collective Think Tank analysis to see if anyone could come up with something. I agree that not much seems to be coming out of it. Maybe we can put it up on the bookshelf and later down the road we can pull it back down and it will make sense.
Now, the last line of the wedding vow seemed like a good one to me. Good find dog!! Ada's whole "the writers wave the right hand for you to see when you should be looking in the left hand" seems to apply. Christian did trail off on that line with the etc. line. I think there is something there.
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dog, guess you aren't much of a computer person? You can highlight the text, right click, hit copy. Then start another post, instead of typing, right click again and hit paste. Lot better than typing!
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By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
Pie, ever since that episode, I've only ever heard of that envelope referred to as "blue" on this board, by many people, and both times I watched the episode - I saw "blue", regardless of what the episode description said (things can be changed when the scene is being shot)... which is why I swore it as blue.
However, after looking at some screen caps, with "green" in mind, I do admit the envelope does look green.
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Entreat me not to leave you, or to return from following after you, For where you go I will go, and where you stay I will stay. Your people will be my people, and your God will be my God. And where you die, I will die and there I will be buried. May the Lord do with me and more if anything but death parts you from me.
Ruth 1:16
Often recited in unison by bride and groom.
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So i just rewatched jacks wedding FB scenes and notice a few things that i picked up the second time around. Don't know if they're important.
When they are in the tux shop mark says he'll be fine after about * beers or so and the man who walks up with the measuring tape around his neck has it so that it looks as if the 23 is position over the left shoulder. Only reason i mention is because of the 23 and because of talk of left and right.
When Sarah walks up and she makes a comment about the 2, out of focus, women in the back checking him out. Well one is trashy and one is cute. well one of them was wearing a black and red dress. Then they begin to play heart and soul togther.
And if you keep your eye on that bottom right hand corner you see red circle spots and i believe blue. This might just be headlights from cars driving up in the background.
Then rolls up a blood red cab who i assume he thought was his father arriving , but ended up to be a women in a purple dress, a white hat and a black and white lay on. Just more colors.Also the numbers on the cab light said 691. Can't see a connection but i thought i'd post it.
It was always interesting to see his feet in the pool which could symbolize cold feet and then he goes on to say the water is fantastic maybe foreshadowing the wedding? Also that kid screaming in first class has got to be Walt. I mean his mom had money so that explains 1st class. Also it seemed that Walt was very fortunate enough to travel around. His dad also said something along the lines of do you love her? then what are you doing here? Now it seems like he is trying to send jack down a certain path, just like he proposed a similar question that got sawyer back on the path of murderer.
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