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2-Bendix, Selma, Alma, Ocean. Yes it was. Look again.
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In 1929 the company turned to aviation products and changed its name to Bendix Aviation Corporation (not reverting to the name Bendix Corporation until 1960).
In autumn 1942, after extensive efforts of personal persuasion directed at President Franklin Roosevelt and his wife Eleanor, General Hap Arnold of the Army Air Corps, and anyone else who would listen, Jacqueline Cochran-whose name is familiar to anyone involved in aviation-established a training facility for women pilots. These women would take over stateside flying duties so that male aviators could be released for active duty overseas.
Cochran chose Avenger Field in Sweetwater, Texas as a training site-isolated, arid, snake-ridden, it was known as Cochran's Convent. But a banner over the entryway to the base said it all: "Through These Portals Pass the World's Finest Women Pilots." Alma Jeschien was among them.
Alma, at 78, looked back on 57 years of flying, among them the honor of being one of the original Women Airforce Service Pilots WWII (WASP).
In 1943 Selma Cronan was invited by Jacqueline Cochran, the legendary female aviation pioneer, to join the WASPs. The WASPs (Women's Airforce Service Pilots) were the first female aviators to fly for the United States.
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fedrich519 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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2-Bendix, Selma, Alma, Ocean. Yes it was. Look again.
Names of street addresses on mom's record of admission to the Santa Rosa Mental Health Instititue, she was a self admit.
Dr. D. Madison 1258 Bendix Ave.
Dr. C. Silva 578 Selma Ave.
Dr. R. Munoe 50 S. Alma Ave.
Bea Jones/Aunt 15347 Ocean Ave.
Santa Rosa hosptial is the SAME hospital that Hurley goes to visit his friend Lenny.
3-"Theresa falls up the stairs, Theresa falls down the stairs" How many times? Why? Pysk, are you listening?
Four times, there is one of our numbers again.
10-When the statue shatters....where have you heard the sound before?
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In his dream the exact instant his mother appears.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
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she_lost_colo Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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A few thoughts:
Locke is supposed to be 50. His mom would have been 14ish. (Gotta love that number!)
Locke is treating Boone the way his father treated him because you do what you learn. (like father, like son). Except I disagree about him faking his injury; I think he was hurting. But adrenalin (sp??) would help him overcome the pain to get Boone back to camp. That, and a little boost from the island! Ok, it's late, I'm getting punchy.
And this is what I replied to Fed's The Hatch, The Light and the Underground Cable:
Hmmmm...... let me see. I thought the others were in the trees. The "light" people must be the whisperers. That's why we can barely hear them.
And it made me scream when it came on!!!!!!!! My boys couldn't figure out why!
OK, it was an excited scream, not a scared one! Just to clarify....
and later:
OK, ME, I may be wrong, but they DIDN'T break the glass on the hatch, right??? I think whoever is inside decided to turn the light on.
(ET are you home??? - just kidding!!!!)
maybe...
Maetrena Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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There are no survivors... Obviously it's another flight that they're talking about.
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When the statues shattered and the drugs fell out, My first thought was that it was a metaphor for Anna being pregnant, not from sex, but from some other way...test tube? What was inside her was manufactured. DNA Altered?
Did they really transplant a kidney? I don't think Lockes 'Father" ever was in surgery. I think they did something..or took something to Locke only.
When Locke asked his "father" if he had other family, he said "No, Tried but it didn't take..." (Not exact)It didn't take??
Anthony Cooper also told Locke that his mother had schizophrenia, meaning she hears voices... mind control? Was she a 14 year old incubator?
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When Michael was talking to Jack, he said. "Trial and Error" Learned a few things from the first time, now it's just trial." So I'm going with the whole Montauk experiment theory on this. I think they are trying it and have been for years. I think Daddy Evil plays a big part in it.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
kellyhawk77 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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You asked:
"Did they take a kidney?"
I don't think they did. I think they took a rib (creation etc.).
I started a thread on this a while ago, but no on really seems interested.
Curious. I would think with all the "false idol" talk that the idea of a rib being removed from Locke would have started up a good storm of chatter! ah, Perhaps tomorrow. When we are less tired.
slpy Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Winners & losers
Some kill their love when they are young,
And some when they are old;
Some strangles with the hands of lust,
Some with the hands of gold;
The kindest use a knife because the dead so soon grow cold.
Some love to little, some too much, some sell, and other buy;
Some do the deed with many tears,
And some without a sigh:
For each man kills the thing he loves,
yet each man does not die.
The man had killed the thing he loved,
And so he had to die.
Yet each man kills the thing he loves,
By each let this be heard,
Some do it with a bitter look
Some with a flattering word,
The coward does it with a kiss, the brave man with a sward.
(Wilde)
MrWizard_ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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im posting again>_<
1.Does the island not want them to leave?
2.In locke's dream did he see past,present,and future?
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3.Someone mentioned earlier locke not seeing clearly and sawyer being able to see both sides. What does locke have aginst sawyer?fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
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Why show him being hit by the car in the parking lot?
- We all want to know what happened to paralyse him, I think this was just a teaser.
do you think the dream sequence was caused by tapping into the whisperers? how else would Locke have heard the Theresa thing?
- Locke is the only one who 'gets' the island. He wasn't phased one bit by the dream.
mousetrap. easy to see that they may be the mice trapped on an island. who built the trap? who's going to get caught? someone said it was invented in 1974. locke says he used to play it with his brother.
- Do we assume that Locke has/had a brother or was is a foster brother?
boone's nanny? oh, he sooooo killed her. he is dark, he is baaaad.
- Everyone seems to have parent issues. Maybe everyone also killed or brought about the death of someone.
Who here thinks that the "hatch" is some sort of searchlight?
- No, why would it be burried underground. My husband thinks it's a bomb shelter. I think it's either a space ship, time/dimention travel machine/link to another place etc. or part of an underground world. Hope they don't move the story line underground. I like to see the natural beauty of the island.
The light just strengthens the theory that The Others are underground.
- I agree, I just can't see them moving around in the trees. We saw lots of 'up' shots last night and no platforms or pathways. I'm sure if there was a network of walkways up there Locke or someone would have spotted them by now.
Locke could have pretended to be injured and unable to walk so that Boone would climb up into the plane.
He had no trouble walking when he carried Boone back to the caves.
- I agree but I think the island gave him the ability to walk because he did what it wanted him to do... find the plane. H was deffinately having problems with his legs. We saw him sticking pins in to them and not feeling anything.
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What about the difference in yrs to disintegrate the clothing? Jack says 40-50 yrs, Lock says a few. I see Adam and Eve were sheltered, but that wouldn't acct for THAT huge of a difference.....
What about the similarity btwn when lock says "she found me " about his mom, and "it found me" about the island?
What about the skull-looking thing under the plane in the stone??
Did anyone else watch (listen) to the scene when Boone is in the plane and it's falling, the sound is THE SAME as the "monster". I lilstened with my eyes closed, and it sounds like "cut and paste" sound effects from the earlier monster scenes....
Locke's "brother?could have been any age at any time, considering it ws foster. ( iassume) other wise, I think he's too old to have played it as a child! Definately
I know I have more, it's sooo early!! Please don't just skip over these things. I would like some ideas..
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3.Someone mentioned earlier locke not seeing clearly and sawyer being able to see both sides. What does locke have aginst sawyer?fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
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Why show him being hit by the car in the parking lot?
- We all want to know what happened to paralyse him, I think this was just a teaser.
do you think the dream sequence was caused by tapping into the whisperers? how else would Locke have heard the Theresa thing?
- Locke is the only one who 'gets' the island. He wasn't phased one bit by the dream.
mousetrap. easy to see that they may be the mice trapped on an island. who built the trap? who's going to get caught? someone said it was invented in 1974. locke says he used to play it with his brother.
- Do we assume that Locke has/had a brother or was is a foster brother?
boone's nanny? oh, he sooooo killed her. he is dark, he is baaaad.
- Everyone seems to have parent issues. Maybe everyone also killed or brought about the death of someone.
Who here thinks that the "hatch" is some sort of searchlight?
- No, why would it be burried underground. My husband thinks it's a bomb shelter. I think it's either a space ship, time/dimention travel machine/link to another place etc. or part of an underground world. Hope they don't move the story line underground. I like to see the natural beauty of the island.
The light just strengthens the theory that The Others are underground.
- I agree, I just can't see them moving around in the trees. We saw lots of 'up' shots last night and no platforms or pathways. I'm sure if there was a network of walkways up there Locke or someone would have spotted them by now.
Locke could have pretended to be injured and unable to walk so that Boone would climb up into the plane.
He had no trouble walking when he carried Boone back to the caves.
- I agree but I think the island gave him the ability to walk because he did what it wanted him to do... find the plane. H was deffinately having problems with his legs. We saw him sticking pins in to them and not feeling anything.
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What about the difference in yrs to disintegrate the clothing? Jack says 40-50 yrs, Lock says a few. I see Adam and Eve were sheltered, but that wouldn't acct for THAT huge of a difference.....
What about the similarity btwn when lock says "she found me " about his mom, and "it found me" about the island?
What about the skull-looking thing under the plane in the stone??
Did anyone else watch (listen) to the scene when Boone is in the plane and it's falling, the sound is THE SAME as the "monster". I lilstened with my eyes closed, and it sounds like "cut and paste" sound effects from the earlier monster scenes....
Locke's "brother?could have been any age at any time, considering it ws foster. ( iassume) other wise, I think he's too old to have played it as a child! Definately
I know I have more, it's sooo early!! Please don't just skip over these things. I would like some ideas..
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Someone said that Locke had a dead end job in the toy shop. If you look at the badge on his vest, he was the Assistant Manager. Not a brain surgon, I know, but not a dead end job either. I got the impression from how he interacted with the child that he enjoyed what he was doing.
He doesn't have the scar on his face. Do we know how he got that?
Would Locke's dad be drinking if he had a dodgy kidney?
Sawyer is reading 'A Wrinkle in Time' by Madeleine L'Engle. Has anyone read it?
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daviscbls Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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A Wrinkle in Time is the story of Meg Murry, a high-school-aged girl who is transported on an adventure through time and space with her younger brother Charles Wallace and her friend Calvin O'Keefe to rescue her father, a gifted scientist, from the evil forces that hold him prisoner on another planet. At the beginning of the book, Meg is a homely, awkward, but loving girl, troubled by personal insecurities and her concern for her father, who has been missing for over a year. The plot begins with the arrival of Mrs. Whatsit at the Murry house on a dark and stormy evening. Although she looks like an eccentric tramp, she is actually a celestial creature with the ability to read Meg's thoughts. She startles Meg's mother by reassuring her of the existence of a tesseract--a sort of "wrinkle" in space and time. It is through this wrinkle that Meg and her companions will travel through the fifth dimension in search of Mr. Murry.
On the afternoon following Mrs. Whatsit's visit, Meg and Charles Wallace walk over to Mrs. Whatsit's cabin. On the way, they meet Calvin O'Keefe, a popular boy in Meg's school whom Charles considers a kindred spirit. The three children learn from Mrs. Whatsit and her friends Mrs. Who and Mrs. Which that the universe is threatened by a great evil called the Dark Thing and taking the form of a giant cloud, engulfing the stars around it. Several planets have already succumbed to this evil force, including Camazotz, the planet on which Mr. Murry is imprisoned.
The three Mrs. W's transport the children to Camazotz and instruct them to remain always in each other's company while on their quest for Mr. Murry. On Camazotz, all objects and places appear exactly alike because the whole planet must conform to the terrifying rhythmic pulsation of IT, a giant disembodied brain. Charles Wallace tries to fight IT with his exceptional intelligence but is overpowered by the evil and becomes a robot-like creature mouthing the words with which IT infuses him. Under the control of IT, Charles leads Meg and Calvin to Mr. Murry and together they confront IT. However, they, too, are unable to withstand IT's power; they escape only at the last minute, when Mr. Murry appears and seizes Meg and Calvin, "tessering" away with them (traveling via another tesseract) to a gray planet called Ixchel inhabited by tall, furry beasts who care for the travelers. Charles Wallace remains possessed by IT, a prisoner of Camazotz.
On Planet Ixchel the three Mrs. W's appear once again, and Meg realizes that she must travel alone back to Camazotz to rescue her brother. Mrs. Which tells her that she has one thing that IT does not have, and this will be her weapon against the evil. However, Meg must discover this weapon for herself. When standing in the presence of IT, Meg realizes what this is: her ability to love. Thus, by concentrating on her love for Charles Wallace, she is able to restore him to his true identity. Meg releases Charles from IT's clutches and tessers with him through time and space, landing in her twin brothers' vegetable garden on Earth, where her father and Calvin stand waiting. The family joyously reunites, and the Mrs. W's visit the happy scene en route to further travels.
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In the airplane there is a box. On it is Hilton Tool and Machine Co. Bronx 60, N. Y. and DIN and PIN numbers. Can't make them out tho. Just thought I'd mention it. OK better get back to the real world...
Oh, one last thing for now... the airplane can't have been there very long otherwise the battery would have been dead. And, where did Sayid get the power from to run the soldering iron or whatever it was he was using?
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Ok Cac, here I am...first post here and I'm shaking! You all blow me away with your analysis, great job!
I only have two tiny thoughts to add, and they are quite possibly inconsequential. You've discussed everything else that I noticed(thanks for that!)
Back when Locke gave his kidney to his father, I believe they had to remove a rib to get to the kidney. This was before laparoscopic surgeries (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). So whoever mentioned taking Locke's rib for something might be on track for something...
Also, schizophrenia is a hereditary disease, it's victims usually showing first symptoms in their late teens to early 20's. Locke is older than that here, but it may end up being an issue.
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What about the difference in yrs to disintegrate the clothing? Jack says 40-50 yrs, Lock says a few. I see Adam and Eve were sheltered, but that wouldn't acct for THAT huge of a difference.....
What about the similarity btwn when lock says "she found me " about his mom, and "it found me" about the island?
What about the skull-looking thing under the plane in the stone??
Did anyone else watch (listen) to the scene when Boone is in the plane and it's falling, the sound is THE SAME as the "monster". I lilstened with my eyes closed, and it sounds like "cut and paste" sound effects from the earlier monster scenes....
Locke's "brother?could have been any age at any time, considering it ws foster. ( iassume) other wise, I think he's too old to have played it as a child! Definately
I know I have more, it's sooo early!! Please don't just skip over these things. I would like some ideas..
A few more things. I may refer so answer somone elses questions but I don't have tim eto cut and paste them, so I hope it all makes sense...
First off, was that really locke's real father? The guy at the hospital may have been in on it too. Was that really his mother?
In walkabout, we see a LOT of patriotic paraphernalia in locke's room. A few flags, a plate with the eagle on it....i still think he is involved with the USA somehow. Maybe thru the Tustin airforce thing, or another military thing....
Anyone find it funny that when locke first woke up in the hospital and moved he was in excruciating pain, but then is able to drive to his "fathers" with an open wound...and jump around in the car and bang his arms on the steering wheel, etc???? not sure he'd be able to move around like that.... Maybe he damages a nerve in the process and then he cannot walk. Or maybe his involvement in the military somewhere was the cause....
Answer to someone's question: Jack is calling for Locke in the end because he dropped Boone off and left. Just disappeared. No explanation besides "he fell off a cliff".
Locke got the scar I thought from the plane crash...
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davis...the "A Wrinkle in Time" thread exists and has been pretty much dissected endlessly by these very intelligent people http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=261452#2472290le. Check out the thread Have fun...some of it is very very interesting!!
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Back when Locke gave his kidney to his father, I believe they had to remove a rib to get to the kidney. This was before laparoscopic surgeries (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). So whoever mentioned taking Locke's rib for something might be on track for something...
It depends when it happened. I had my second kidney transplant in January of 1997 and according to the surgeon who removed that kidney from my mom they started using the laprascopic metheod not too long after that. Rough guess I'd say it was a normal procedure by the end of 1997. second point is the rib thing. They don't remove a whole rib. For the non-lapro kidney removal they would cut 2-3 inches off of the lowest 2 ribs. Last part is a toss up on the details. If he had the full rib cutting version he would not have been able to leave the hospital like that. A recipient of a kidney transplant is in the hospital for 3-5 days after the surgery and its a lot worse for the one donating. On the other hand the amount and placement of the blood stain on his back when he gets to his father's house matches up with what would be there if he had the rib cutting version.
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I haven't posted in a while. You guys are too quick!
Paws-Regarding the flags in Locke's room in the Walkabout FB. Here is a screen cap:
Of course, one is the US Flag. The white with black is the Culpepper Minutemen Flag It has the words Liberty or Death and Don't Tread on Me. They were rumored to be the first to engage the British. See link:
http://gen.culpepper.com/historical/flag.htm
The flag with the red X is a form of the Cross of Burgundy. Burgundy was a kingdom/fiefdom in France and Spain. The flag was primarily used by the Spanish during the time of the exploration and conquering of the New World. It has ties to the Southeast of the US and Puerto Rico. Today, Burgundy is an administrative Region in France. Guess who else is from France? Here is a link on the flag's history:
http://www.united-states-flag.com/crofbu.html
What do these flags mean and why does Locke have these flags? Aside from the France-Danielle connection, I can't come up with a possible meaning. Maybe you smart people can? Maybe they were just props? I was hoping last night might shed some light.
Davis- To add to Rain's post...It was brought up earlier in the threads by the Purple Lady that A Wrinkle in Time was a clue about time and space manipulation. If you go back to the Part 2 thread, there is a lot of
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discussion on the Government dabling in these concepts also. She told us that the main idea is that the Government could have experimented with technology that warps space and time without knowing the consequences of doing so. If you don't want to sort through the thread (there is a lot there), Google things like Tesseract, Tesla Coils, the Philadelphia Project, and Project Montauk. Don't beleive the Alien Stuff you might read.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
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oh, goodness....ok, several things...
Answer to someone's question: Jack is calling for Locke in the end because he dropped Boone off and left. Just disappeared. No explanation besides "he fell off a cliff".
huh? how do we know this? did i miss an entire scene? it is on tivo and i've watched 3 times...
Did anyone else watch (listen) to the scene when Boone is in the plane and it's falling, the sound is THE SAME as the "monster". I lilstened with my eyes closed, and it sounds like "cut and paste" sound effects from the earlier monster scenes....
yes!!! i mentioned that exact thought in my analysis from last night...it was late. i was immediately reminded of the "monster" sound and told my husband, we even rewound tivo and listened again...
FED, is it coinsidence that the names of the streets where "mom" lived are the same as the aviation connections that i found and mentioned? i think not. notice that Ocean Air is out of Tustin, CA???? both Alma and Selma were WASP's in WW2.
Anthony Cooper also told Locke that his mother had schizophrenia, meaning she hears voices... mind control? Was she a 14 year old incubator?
When Michael was talking to Jack, he said. "Trial and Error" Learned a few things from the first time, now it's just trial." So I'm going with the whole Montauk experiment theory on this. I think they are trying it and have been for years. I think Daddy Evil plays a big part in it.
slpy...i totally agree. i think that 'mom' was one of the experiment children, and locke was the result.
9-"You're special. Very special"
i think this lends itself to the Montauk experiments as well...the mind control and other experiments...
5-Nice pictures, huh?
was this referring to the photos in 'dads' house? they were of him in a raft on the ocean, at what appears to be a hunting lodge of some kind...lots of trees and mountains, and deep sea diving. and adventurer? a scientist? and explorer?
the red folder had info about 'dad', but we never got to see it. but locke knows about him...who he was, what he did. was he military? i think he could've been one of the Montauk people.
6-Who does Locke call to in his car?
i have watched several times and i can't make out anything but crying and yelling...but not coherent enough to understand...have to find transcripts.
And, where did Sayid get the power from to run the soldering iron or whatever it was he was using?
davis...sayid was using a stick wrapped in a piece of fabric...he heated up the stick over the fire and then melted the glasses...
imnotold Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
The game Mousetrap was created before 1973-4 ... I know I played it in the 60s with my sister. hth
DEM blew me away! What a tragic life Locke has had!
annipadanni Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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OMG!!!
i DID miss an entire scene! what happened???? my local t.v. station had a blue screen with station identification during the whole thing where locke brought boone back....i never saw it.
i only saw jack yelling "LOCKE" and then nothing else. i was going over all of the screen caps this morning and boom! there it all is....
can someone please tell me what was said and done in this scene?
thanks!
lizpeppermint Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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bump - we are on the second page
Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Yes. Locke carries boone back to Jack and drops him off claiming that he "fell off a cliff" camera cuts to Jack ripping boones shirt off to expose the damage, and he tells kate to get water, rags, etc that he can use to stop the bleeding. Then he turns to find and talk to locke who has immediately disappeared.
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ooops... posted in the wrong place... will place below.
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annipadanni Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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common guys! help me out! WHAT HAPPENED? (per my above post)
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back on pg 30 i told ya! we must have posted at the same time LOL
as far as the drinking/dialysis machine...did we ever actually SEE the "father" drink the alcohol? or just give Locke some. he did make a point of asking "hey you gonna drink that?"
anyone wanna gimme some ides on the other things i noticed? i am excited to discuss them..the stones, the years for clothes...come on people :-D i know you want to LOL
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annipadanni Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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naughty...thank you! was anything important said between jack and kate before locke and boone arrived?
so, is this the LIE that leads to a death? Locke lied about what happened to Boone? Now i get the comment last night about how the heroin could have been used to help boone...
annipadanni Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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george...it's not lunch time yet!
daviscbls Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Copied this from another post:Footballs were on aisles 8 and 15.
It was also mentioned that there was a lost dog flyer on Locke's car in the car park where he see's him mum.
Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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naughty...thank you! was anything important said between jack and kate before locke and boone arrived?
hey howd ya know that jack and kate were talking ?
Yeah jack told kate is so many words that he didn't help Sawyer for Sawyer...he did it for kate. Then they share a nice eye contact/smile moment. awwwwwwwwwwwww
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MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
i think he could've been one of the Montauk people.
I was thinking the same thing!
OneisLost Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Yeah jack told kate is so many words that he didn't help Sawyer for Sawyer...he did it for kate. Then they share a nice eye contact/smile moment. awwwwwwwwwwwww
Think you're wrong about this one. Jack did it for himself. He's been sliding down the slippery slope into barbarism and disinterest needed to put his moral feet back on the ground. ;0)
Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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ok i can see that.
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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What about the difference in yrs to disintegrate the clothing? Jack says 40-50 yrs, Lock says a few. I see Adam and Eve were sheltered, but that wouldn't acct for THAT huge of a difference.....
Naughty, I think I posted before... Adam and Eve was NOT with the Nigerian "priest". Adam and Eve clearly came long before the plane, and the "priest" was from the plane. That is why there was a huge difference.
Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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i think im not expressing myself properly.
its not whether or not the people in the cave and the priest in the tree came together. my point is that one person said it takes so long for clothes to rot, and another person said something completely different.
Songline Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Don't mean to butt in, but I can't find anyone posting about two questions I have. If anyone has any ideas, I'd appreciate hearing them. I've been trying to just lurk, because my ideas get shot down quickly or ignored (which is fine and understandable, but frustrating). However, I really love this thread and it's hard to keep quiet when I have questions.
There was a metal box in the plane, it said something like Hilton Tool and Machine Co., Bronx. All I can find when I search those words is tool companies and something about an underground tunnel for water that is being constructed under NYC, to be completed in 2020 or something like that. Do you think the box is some kind of clue to the machine-like noises the "monster" makes?
Also, do you think Locke knocking on the hatch is what made the light come on, or do you think the radio was the sign the island gave Locke, that alerted the underground dwellers to his presence?
annipadanni Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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i think i need to make a clarification here....
ME pointed out that on my post last night where i was attempting to find info for some A's clues...i included some info on Anthony Cooper that didn't make sense. i think i forgot to paste in the 1st of 4 items on the timeline i found. so, in response to A's first question:
Who was Locke to Anthony Cooper? here you go:
1666 Locke meets Anthony Ashley Cooper (later the first earl of Shaftsbury). Locke is granted a dispensation to keep his studentship without taking holy orders.
1667 Locke began collaborating with Thomas Sydenham in medical research.
1667 Locke joins Ashly's household in London as Lord Ashley's personal physician. From this time until 1675 Locke resided usually in London. He writes an Essay concerning Toleration
1668 Locke supervises an operation to remove a cyst from Lord Ashley's liver. Astonishingly, the operation is successful and the patient lives another 15 years! Locke is elected a Fellow of the Royal Society.
hope this helps to clarify. the writers of this particular page refer to him ( Anthony Ashley Cooper) as Lord Ashley...
CluelessLost Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Me- I think naughty meant that Jack said it took 40-50 years for clothes to disintegrate, but Lock said only 2-10 years. How long does it take for clothes to disintegrate?
Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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you're not as clueless as you think
any thought to the skull in the stone? rather the shape of it?
terq6_9 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Locke said those clothes had only been rotting for 2-10 years. That's all he commented on. Adam and Eve are from a much earlier time. Clothes disintegrate at different rates in different conditions. The priest's polyester outfit had only been rotting, in Locke's opinion, for 2-10 years.
berbujas2001 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
Hmmm I wondered if they'd tried just knocking on the door to see if someone would let them in
terq6_9 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Berbu, now that's good thinking.
CluelessLost Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Naughty-What skull are you talking about it? Can you see it in the screencaps?
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Locke said those clothes had only been rotting for 2-10 years. That's all he commented on. Adam and Eve are from a much earlier time. Clothes disintegrate at different rates in different conditions. The priest's polyester outfit had only been rotting, in Locke's opinion, for 2-10 years.
THANK YOU, terq!
Interesting though, I would think polyester would disintegrate at a slower rate than a natural fiber. Then again, you made a good point in saying it was Locke's opinion. Maybe "good quality" polyester disintegrates faster.
Last night's show was fabulous - Locke has completely snuck into my heart. Acting was brilliant. Show was very well done.
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Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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On the cliff under the plane is a red "stain" that I first thought was just rust that had trickled down from the plane, but you can see (best when right before the plane falls head first) that it takes the shape of a skull from an earlier homo species. (It is a side view profile) Erectus or habilis or something. The brow is set back, the jaw is protruded. I don't have access to the screen caps right now. I am at work, and I have to SNEAK every post I make.
Once again, I have VERY naughty paws!!!
annipadanni Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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thank you terq for clarifying that...i felt like they were going in circles!
why do we think A. made the 2-10 years a clue? what more does it mean?
Dad_of_4 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
locke's FAITH is tested and the faith that he had in God is ridiculed by drug smugglers dressed as preists and Virgin Mary's filled with heroin.
He beleives that he returns as the prodigal son and yet becomes an organ donor for a manipulative sadist.
He comes to the island and is made whole. His frustration with the hatch tests his faith in his new god.
He gets a sign. His faith renewed he begins his quest.
He goes to the hatch in fear, hate, disgust, perceived failure, he throws himself on the hatch professing his faith despite the fact that his quest may have killed a young man.
He is rewarded with the light. He is now the prodigal son.
but then again I'm a dull knife, so take this for what it's worth.
daviscbls Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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There was a metal box in the plane, it said something like Hilton Tool and Machine Co., Bronx. All I can find when I search those words is tool companies and something about an underground tunnel for water that is being constructed under NYC, to be completed in 2020 or something like that. Do you think the box is some kind of clue to the machine-like noises the "monster" makes?
- Songline, I noticed that also and posted earlier. It said... Hilton Tool and Machine Co. Bronx 60, N. Y. and DIN and PIN numbers. Can't make them out tho.
I think the light came on because Locke is willing to do anything the island wants him to do. He's selling his soul to the devil.
berbujas2001 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Thanks terq. I was thinking maybe they didn't want whoever was in there to know, but then thought with all the racket they were making with the trebuchet(sp?), my thinking was wrong.
Songline Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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davis said:
I think the light came on because Locke is willing to do anything the island wants him to do. He's selling his soul to the devil.
I respect your opinion, and thank you for answering. I have to disagree, because although Locke is far from perfect, I don't think he is evil and could sell his soul to the devil.
I raise (and have adopted several) abused foster children, and they have so much trouble believing they belong anywhere. They want to belong so badly, but they can't see that it could happen. They often display the most horrible behavior because they are trying to prove that they don't belong while at the same time testing you to see if maybe, this time, it's really true that they do.
I got that feeling from Locke while he was holding his Dad's hand before the surgery, as if he was feeling maybe I AM special, I'm not so awful, and I do belong somewhere. This episode was incredible and heartbreaking.
I guess my view of Locke is greatly colored by my experiences.
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Someone mentioned on another post, and maybe here, that they only took Locke's rib, and not his kidney. It was also mentioned that maybe Cooper didn't have surgery at all.
I think in order to get to his kidney, they might have had to have removed a rib... as someone else mentioned... so that would be plausible... though can't imagine them taking a rib just to take a rib.
The idea that Cooper didn't have any surgery at all hadn't occurred to me, but could be possible if Cooper WAS involved in the experiements, used Emily as a subject (as someone else suggested), and therefore, Locke was a product of the experiment. When he reached a certain age, dad may have wanted to harvest an organ or tissue as part of the study - taking some sort of data for longitudinal effects.
Good point that mom, having mental illness, might be the reason she was chosen. Dad didn't really want a kid, which is why he was put in foster care. Clearly dad kept track of him though - he wanted to know where his little experiment was going. Could there have even been something implanted in Locke during the surgery?
OneisLost Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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There was a metal box in the plane, it said something like Hilton Tool and Machine Co., Bronx. All I can find when I search those words is tool companies and something about an underground tunnel for water that is being constructed under NYC, to be completed in 2020 or something like that. Do you think the box is some kind of clue to the machine-like noises the "monster" makes?
This may be where the river water is being diverted to. Not the bronx but, an underground tunnel or resevoir. Bronx is also a connection with Rose.
Also, do you think Locke knocking on the hatch is what made the light come on, or do you think the radio was the sign the island gave Locke, that alerted the underground dwellers to his presence?
I think Locke was just at the right place/right time. he will probably take it as a sign, which will reinforce his fanaticisim about the island, possibly leading down the wrong road with bad consequences.
We don't shoot your ideas down Song. You silly goose. You are a great source for ideas and another view. :0) I don't think anyone who's new to this thread should feel threatened or not taken seriously. This thread moves VERY FAST when our juices/brain cells are cranking. Don't despair, just hold on and enjoy the ride. ;0)
daviscbls Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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When I said that he was selling his soul to the devil, I didn't mean that he was evil. Just that he seems willing to do whatever the island wants him to do regardless of the consequences. He knew that Boone would be injured by going into the plane (he saw it in his dream) but he sent him anyway. His is trying to please the island. As he has tired to please people all his life. As you say... trying to fit in.
Songline Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Song, I agree 100% about Locke wanting to belong, etc. I made a mental note of how much like a little boy Locked seems when interacting with his father. Especially when they went hunting. Question now is, how do we know those are his real parents? We think maybe that wasn't his dad, maybe that wasn't his mom either...hmmmm
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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I've been trying to just lurk, because my ideas get shot down quickly or ignored (which is fine and understandable, but frustrating).
One is right, song... no one is trying to shoot down your ideas, even if that's how you perceive it. Like One said, this is a fast moving thread... so sometimes posts get missed (EVEN posts of us long-timers of the thread), and it's truly impossible to answer them all.
However, you and everyone else must be aware and understand that we DON'T always agree with every theory and idea posted on this board - those of us who have posted here since the beginning, or quite a while, completely agree to disagree sometimes... and we don't take it personally. Because it's NOT something personal. In order to post here without feeling shut out or hurt, you have to understand and accept that... and also be ok with the idea that your ideas might not get responded to sometimes. It happens to me, believe me! I usually just let it go, and if I feel the idea has a lot of merit, or might have just gotten overlooked, I'll post it again with a little saying maybe it got overlooked. If you really WANT a response, then be sure to ask what everyone thinks - but be prepared for honest answers. If we think you might get hurt by honest answers, we might not reply to an idea, we might not respond if we disagree wit it.
We will also let people know if they launch into a theory or subject that has been researched and discussed to pieces here or on the board... and will try to point you to the right direction. We are not trying to shut anyone down or out, but it's simply a way to keep people from reinventing the wheel... and reposting info here that already exists on the thread. There is too much Lost to talk about and share to be doing work that's already been done.
So, I only say this to explain where we're coming from, and why some of your ideas might be disagreed with, or passed over. However, we DO agree with many of your ideas, and respond to many of your posts, so you must focus on those... cup half full. It's the only way to be on this thread, and the board overall.
Keep posting here, Song... we do appreciate your contributions.
pinkgoddess__18 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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I agree with the above poster that Locke's "father" did not have the surgury at all. He may have taken Locke's kidney, rib, whatever to use for something else... what that is... I don't know...
Also someone mentioned all the usages of red in last night's episode... there was a lot... it was one of the first things I noticed.
As for Locke's dream (forgive me, I started reading at only page 29, so if this has been mentioned, I apoligize) someone mentioned that it was past, present, future... it's possible, but could it be another "prophecy" type dream like the RBA one? And boone looked and sounded almost robotic in the dream... plus there was something just not right with his image, almost like it was super-imposed on the film... was this intentional, or just a technology constraint?
I'm going to check back later guys... I'm in awe of this thread...
Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
Come to think of it, the skull was red in color too. But more like a rusty red. Not fire engine red
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daviscbls Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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The private eye said that he had taken DNA from Locke and that she was his mum. Can't remember if he did the same with his dad tho. Probably not seeing as Locke hadn't met him at that point. Seems to be that she was his mum but don't know if he was his dad or not.
Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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True, but was that guy in on the SCAM too so that Locke would believe?
OneisLost Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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I thought the adoption/pi dude said it was a 98% match on the DNA for Locke's mother. It was 90 something.
I think that is his father, which will bring up an interesting dilemma for Locke. If he did know Boone would be injured and sent him into the plane anyway, he's followed his father's pattern of behaviour. With the light, will he now continue on that path or turn aside and repent, so to speak?
Locke already knows there are more people on the island, why hasn't he connected the hatch with the people? He seems to view the hatch as a seperate entity.
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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And boone looked and sounded almost robotic in the dream... plus there was something just not right with his image, almost like it was super-imposed on the film... was this intentional, or just a technology constraint?
I'm rather certain this was intentional post-production/editing treatment to give it a surreal "dream" look and feel.
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True, but was that guy in on the SCAM too so that Locke would believe?
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I dont' think he was in on it. Locke hired him. How would Cooper know which PI Locke hired - unless Cooper found out after Locke hired him, and paid him off to give him false info. I tend to think the PI wasn't in on it though.. but need to watch the epi again.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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..."his Cooper..."
Sea, that's kinda cute
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Naughty, I meant to type "this Cooper". Oops! I'll fix.
Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Sea, I liked it that way!! Lol it really did sound cute.
pinkgoddess__18 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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something I posted on another thread... again, I apoligize if you guys already discussed it, but I don't think you did... this is in reference to the small plane and the passengers onboard it...
1. Who's to say that they were going TO Nigeria?
2. Also, who's to say that they were coming FROM nigeria?
3. Who's to say that they were actually Nigerian?
4. How do we know what their departure/destination points were?
5. How do we know that they weren't just making a short run, or a longer run with several stops in that tiny plane?
6. Were their any survivors of that crash?
Just because they had Nigerian maps/money doesn't make them Nigerian. And even if they are Nigerian, it doesn't mean that they were coming to or from Nigeria. I lived in Korea and you couldn't walk down a street in Seoul without running into a Nigerian... (and no, I'm not making a case for Jin's father in law to be related to this in any way) I just think with a show like this, when you assume things that you weren't told, you can lost sight of the big picture...
just some stuff to ponder...
(also, Rose is from the Bronx)
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ok, in response to my last post... on the maps it looked like they had some kind of route mapped out on the maps... highlighted in yellow with some stops along the way... but only on two maps... were they GOING there or COMING from there, or was it a coincidence, or a plan for later, or something completely unrelated... sometimes if I'll keep my sanity with this show! lol
SheilaSwan Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
I may be really thick, but when Lock pulled down the body of the "priest," it seemed as though he was pulling a cord. Is it your take the the body was just caught in the trees as the plane crashed? Or was it up there in a trap, much like the one that snagged Sayid?
You'd have thought that if people died in the crash of the plane, their bodies would still be in the cockpit. So perhaps they survived the crash. And the "priest" later died in the foot trap. And there are others who are still alive?
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Not sure if this was posted, but I found another "815" reference in DEM. On the screen caps, if you look at the shot of Emily's psych admit records, her "previous admission" number is "564815".
One other note, if you read and think about it, they list an admission number on the first line - "848434". Notice how ever other number is a "4".
Four rows down is where the "previous admission" number. On the same line, right before the previous admissino number, is the "previous admission" date, of 10/5/92.
So, she was admitted more than once to the Santa Clara Mental Health Institute. We can't see the current addmission date on the form - just the previous admission date.
Also interesting is listed on the form: Bea Jones/Aunt... who must be the person to contact in emergencies, etc. "Aunt Bea" - Writers are Andy Griffith's Show fans, I guess. Or maybe it's simply indication of a sweet, caring, nurturing aunt.
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Pardon my ignorance, but don't you have to be a match for a kidney donation? How did Cooper know that Locke's kidney would be a match if he wasn't related. Just a thought.
Also, one thing I noticed about Locke's mother's Driver's license. The license clearly states that it expires on the birthday, which is 10/15. But her license says it expires on 3/20/94. Anyone else see that?
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I don't think they even used the kidney... locke's "dad" didn't even have an operation...IMO
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One, if Locke'd had a kidney transplant, then of course his son's kidney would be an ideal match. I thought Locke's mom said at the end that his dad has known where Locke has been all these years. If she didn't say it, then that is what I believe... that Locke's wealthy dad has kept tabs on his son every step of his way, through every foster home, through every financial and life struggle - simply so he'd know where his experiment/DNA was located at all times.
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really needed a kidney, or wanted to harvest one of Locke's organs as part of the experiment, or wanted to implant something into Locke.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Any thought about Jack's dad being the surgeon? Would have probably been paid a good sum if it was as hush-hush, less than ethical operation.
Someone else posted a question about why Cooper would be drinking booze if he had kidney problems. Well, booze might have actually been a cause of the kidney disease... and alcoholism is an addiction. Being on dialisis and having kidney problems won't stop many from drinking. Just there are people with lung disease who continue to smoke, even if they know they shouldn't.
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hey guys, great job with the thread. when locke was testing to see if he had any feeling in his legs, he burnt the sole aka soul of his foot and he couldnt feel anything.......
He can't feel his 'soul'. He is is spiritually disheartened.
thanks
sbear
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niiiiice!
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He can't feel his 'soul'. He is is spiritually disheartened.
good one, sbear!
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sbear...good connection!
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After cruising today's post-some great stuff by the way, good work --a couple things I didn't see mentioned.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
From the ten clues:
5-Nice pictures, huh? One was of a diver (SCUBA). Made me think of that pesky diarist and her dive bag.
7-"See you on the other side, son" See you on the other side is what Sayid said to Danielle when he was telling her what Nadia wrote on the back of her photo.
Locke was using a compass right before the first time he stumbled.
So, Naughty, did you catch Sawyer mocking you?
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Bump back to the first page.
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7-"See you on the other side, son" See you on the other side is what Sayid said to Danielle when he was telling her what Nadia wrote on the back of her photo.
That's sort of true... matter of interpretation though. Nadia said something like, "I'll see you... if not in this life, then the next."
If that's what you interpreted Cooper's statement to mean, then yes... very similar.
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You'll find me in the next life, if not in this one.
Just watched the ep, that is what was on the back of the photo.
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So, Naughty, did you catch Sawyer mocking you?
lostgods, you mean mocking my naughty paws?
>^..^<
fedrich519 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
Momma Locke was a self admit. She checked herself in for help.
Will Locke inherit his mother's mental health issues?
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didnt the guy say she checked herself in when he was talking to Locke?
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Not very knowledgeable on the workings of aircraft, but I have a few questions. Would the battery last that long for the radio to even work? Would the radio transmit thousands of miles to the mainland? What is the range on a radio like that while it is on the ground? If they couldn't get the transceiver the transmit off the island in the pilot episode, how is this radio now transmiting while the other was unable to?
Also, some thoughts, someone said this....
There was a metal box in the plane, it said something like Hilton Tool and Machine Co., Bronx. All I can find when I search those words is tool companies and something about an underground tunnel for water that is being constructed under NYC, to be completed in 2020 or something like that. Do you think the box is some kind of clue to the machine-like noises the "monster" makes?
Underground tunnel? Hello? Underground tunnel leading up to the hatch? The cable that myseriously vanished underground never to be seen again?
Underground? Hmmmmm..
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what struck me even more was that it's an underground tunnel for water. where did all our water go?
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Other side, next life-same difference.
Radio-we don't know how long second plane has been there so don't know about life of the battery. Maybe the "answer" came from the radio in the cockpit of
O-815?
Underground rivers-been diving in ceynotes in Mexico and rivers in Belize-very cool. Don't know how the hatch relates though.
If Locke was using the compass and I think he had the flashlight too, then he wasn't "taking care" anymore. He was using manmade objects instead of trusting his instincts.
lostgods, you mean mocking my naughty paws?
No, I mean when Kate made Sawyer get up to go see Jack and Sawyer said, "Do I get a lollipop?"
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again, sdog... it IS a matter of interpretation and perception... so sorry, but i do think there is a difference... the two statements are not the same, as you originally said. why say that Cooper said the same thing Nadia said if they didn't? At least say what each stated, and then say they are very similar, and might have been meaning the same thing.
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On Ada's thread, yankeevt mentioned a reference to Ada's "10,000 words or less clue"... a Bible reference about saying 5 words in the same language is better than 10,000 in a different... or something like that... but yankeevt couldn't remember the exact phrase. I found it on the web though, and here it is:
INTRODUCTION TO 1 CORINTHIANS FOURTEENTH CHAPTER
"19. Yet, in a congregation, I would rather speak five words through my understanding, so that I might also instruct other, than ten thousand words in a foreign language."
http://www.heart-talks.com/tongues03.html
Is this going to have something to do with relating with the whisperers, or them to Locke, through understanding... even if not being able to speak verbally? And/Or maybe will have something to do with Jin?
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Sea, that passage is also # 19. hmmmmmmmmm
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Lostgods,
been to the underground rivers in Xtapa. very cool...
i missed the lollipop scene because i messed up the taping of it and had gotten a fone call during the airing. Poop. that's a cute reference too, maybe Sawyer likes me....
in a few mins, Im going to post a bunch of new things...please take a look
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
Underground tunnel? Hello? Underground tunnel leading up to the hatch? The cable that myseriously vanished underground never to be seen again?
Underground? Hmmmmm..
Yes, absolutely. The whisperers living underground. And as Naughty said, tunnels for the water.
Does anyone remember when I posted about that reminder about how Michael had created those plans for diverting the water by the caves in order to make a shower? He explained how he could contruct something to divert the water so that the drinking water would be separate from the shower water. I posted this after we realized that the water from the bigger rivers was being diverted, and realized that Michael's "plans" may have been a clue as to how it's being done on the island, but on a larger scale, of course.
Maetrena Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Locke's faith is being tested and shown to be false because he is placing that faith in a lesser god, which is why he was seen using the broken compass and why all the religious symbolism was turned upside down. Which reminds me that we're going to get another episode about someone having a crisis of faith of sorts next week. However, it seems that instead of Locke's "false religion" being exposed this week, it seems like Jack loses his ability to believe in the things that matter... himself, his friends and family, etc.
Also, since we're on the topic of faith, wouldn't it be nice if Rose appeared in another episode soon. After all, she is the only one whose faith seems to be grounded in something real and meaningful.
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"everything breaks if you apply the right force"
where is Locke when he chases his mother in the parking lot? The flyer says "LOST DOG".
Make that 2 people now hit by a car...
and the question was., "why are you following me?" I would have asked her why she didn't stop when i got hit by a car. seemed no one did anything at all.
the difference in the dates on the driver's license is this....she was renewing on 3-20-90 and it's good for 4 yrs then. the sign date is under her signature at the bottom the fact that it actually says "expires on birthday" and then there's a circle next to it makes it seem like the circle had to be X'ed or checked or something. otherwise, that doesn't make sense.
the actual paperwork we are shown says "self admit" altho the self is cut off.
here is a list of the photos:
a man kayaking
two men sitting on what looks like a porch. one of them appears to be Cooper, the other has no face lol
the next is a person SCUBA diving
the last, which we only see half of, is a photo of Cooper
i wonder where Locke learned to address almost every question and answer with "sir"
why did Cooper ask Locke if he was "gonna drink that" so rudely? he had the glass not even a minute, and the way he said it....just seemed VERY strange
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when Boone drops the door from the plane, the camera angle is odd like it's someone over there watching from behind somethingfficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
what do you guys think? one person on the plane was thrown, and the other died in the plane, since it landed on Boone ewwwwwwww
the sond that's made when the statue hits the ground...someone said it was also in a scene with his mom, but i've searched and cannot find it... anyone know where it is?
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Naughty, excuse me if you would a little bit of nitpicking.
In the HDTV version of the episode that is widescreen, you can clearly see "Self Admit". It isn't cut off in the widescreen version.
The priest in the tree has me thinking. How did he get up there? Was he thrown from the plane or was it a failed attempt to bail out? Or, I like this one better..
Did the monster put him up there? The pilot from O-815 was in a tree in very much the same way.
Or try out this one...
Was he tied up in the tree? Seems like something Danielle would do. Not really thinking that one, didn't look like he was tied up in the tree. Locke tugged on the vine and un-lodged the body, causing it to fall. At least that is what I though.
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argh, if i can DL the episode (waiting for ppl to have t) it would be in widescreen. LOLOL
sorry bout that
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naughty...one question i thought of....either the "priest" was thrown or perhaps ejected himself (parachuted??) It looked like Locked pulled something to get him out of the tree...a parachute? maybe i was seeing things.
Wasn't Locke suspicious when his father was So accepting of him (now of course we know he was b/c he wanted the kidney),but wouldn't he initially put up a little bit of a resistance (at least to make it look good)? Just thoughts.
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The pilot from O-815 was in a tree in very much the same way
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Rainnedrop Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3 fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
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another thought...if Boone does die, either way he would have died in a plane crash....either 815 or the plane crashing to the ground.
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Sea, that passage is also # 19. hmmmmmmmmm
yes, naughty... I noted that it was #19 when I posted the quote. Do we see another #19 in the show? Is that why you mentioned it?
And A. didn't mean that Locke "called" someone on the phone in his car... but who did he call out to. When he was yelling and upset... who was he speaking to? That is her question.
oh, and fed... yes, I definitely noticed that Emily was self admitted.
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sorry again :-/
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While reading this thread and some others, I noticed the references to the color red....lots of red in the epidsodes. Got me to thinking about possible "red herrings" in the show.
Also Known as: Smoke Screen, Wild Goose Chase.
Description of Red Herring
A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:
Topic A is under discussion.
Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
Topic A is abandoned.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim.
I know every little thing is discussed, but I wonder if anyone has thought of the this possibility....is ANYTHING a red herring or does every single thing have meaning?? I often wonder if the producers throw in the red herrings just to divert viewers from what is perhaps blatently obvious? Any thoughts?...i'm just wondering
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OK, now we have TWO people that have used audio software to filter out the radio transmission and they BOTH agree on what was said.
deuce2230 wrote this.
Hey guys. I work at a music studio and some other Lost fans and I took this into our audio forensics software and cleaned it up as best we could. The following it what was said with the bold being what was said while Locke was yelling out:
Boone: Hello, we're survivors of the crash of (Locke: Boone get out!)Oceanic flight 8-1-5. Please copy.
Voice: No, (Locke: GET OUT NOW!) we're the survivors of Oceanic flight 8-1-5.
The voice absolutely said "No" to start out the response to Boone. Then Locke yells over it but it really sounded like "we're the..." Also, there didn't seem to be enough wave forms for it to be "there are/were no..." but with Locke yelling over it and the beginning fading way back it's impossible to tell for sure. I'm leaning towards "we're" though. And the voice sounded very, very much like Boone.
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Raindrop I thought the tesseract theory was a red herring ast one time. The only thing we had was the book sawyer was reading " Winkle in time" . But Lockes episode last night opened the door again.
These are some of the thoughts I had that made me think the tesseract theory is not dead:
Boones saying theresa "walking up the stairs/ down the stairs". Made me think back and forth.
Lockes dreams. I believe he dreamt of Boone making reference to theresa on the Island.
AND
i believe Locke dreamt of Jack shouting his name Locke at least 4 yrs prior to them crashing on the Island.
Boones blood stained body was identicle in Lockes dream. THe small Beech airplane was there for some time.
Seeya on the other side.
All the above makes me think T e s e r a c t.
On the side note which may be a red herring; the name theresa.. made me think of Mother Theresa. Known as a care giver to the poor and sick.
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Rainnedrop Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
Hankis..thanks for the reply (I thought i was talking to myself for a minute there ) LOL
Anyhow, Yes I too thought of mother theresa or st. theresa. Someone posted in depth about her (can't find it now) but there was a similarity in a very famous picture of st. theresa and the way Boone looked in Locke's dream.
Now, what about that darned Mousetrap game??? haha
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BIZZUMP
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ANyone see this yet? check out the search numbers.... nigeria.. sahara
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the name theresa.. made me think of Mother Theresa.
I thought of Mother Theresa as well... though this made me wonder if it actually then means Mother is Theresa... as in, Boone's biological mother was Theresa.
There are several St. Theresa possibilities that it could be referred to as well.
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Sea, the Map? what do u think?
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ANyone see this yet? check out the search numbers.... nigeria.. sahara
Naughty, we most have been posting at the same time. Didn't see it until now... just looked. Very cool! Did you just think to do that? Nice! It's not really on Nigeria... but close... and Sahara? Not labeled... but is where the star is? Well, definitely looks like it could be something to that.
Why was Boone in bed as a child. Did he need a kidney? came up.
Connections:
Daddy Evil is the biological father of all these people. They were all test tube babies and Locke was the first.
A very early clue we were given was Why these people? Why this island? along with they are all connected even if it's only through a third party. That third party is Daddy Evil. They all have different mother's and they have all been raised by another, even if they don't know it. That's why they are all special.
Why this island? Because it's self contained, the environment can be controlled, the people on it easily manipulated. These people are the offspring of the Moutauk Project. All 10,000 or less of them. ;0)
Which is some really scary stuff if you think about it.
Okay ME & cac! Tear it apart! *giggle*
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One, I think I actually responded to that idea in that thread and contributed ideas to support it, so sorry... not tearing today. I'll try to find my ideas from that thread so I can post them here "for the record"..
Oh, ok... re-reading. Don't think that is what A. meant by "10,000" or less"... and don't think I had read your response to "why this island", but had read the Daddy Evil sowing his seed bit and had posted thoughts about that part as well... actually, think i posted them here too...
Cool, thoughts, One! Not sure about them all, but cool! Keep going!
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one, i actually think you're idea is pretty cool. maybe doesn't answer it all, but still very cool
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Ok, we kind of brought this up a while ago, and we all sort of said we'd really not like it if it's true, but I REALLY hope this whole thing doesn't turn out to be some huge orchestrated "plan" - as in, it was all orchestrated that they'd all get on the plane, and that the plane would crash on that island, etc. How could "they" (whoever is orchestrating it) know who would live or die? And as we said, some of the 14 didn't know they'd be on the flight until the last minute.
I just think it would be really stretching it and disappointing if it was all THAT orchestrated and planned - a bit TOO hard to believe that it could all come off as "planned". I think A. confirmed that this would NOT be true - that it wasn't orchestrated like that, but that through a bit of fate and coincidence (and maybe the stars aligning just so ), they all did end up on that plane together, and they all did end up surviving the crash and on that island together. Not orchestrated by a third party, but yet it happened. I would rather than be so than to have it be a "big brother" type of orchestrated deal (like the kidney transplant thing was orhestrated).
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has anyone ever checked the numbers in reference to chromosomes? DNA?
I know you contributed ME. I've only gotten up to page 22 on that thread but this just seemed to be all coming together in my head as I was reading.
I just threw in the 10,000 part. Not sure at all it has any connection.
If this is correct, it would not negate any of the other stuff we've come up with either, which is cool. It would all tie in together. If they were looking to "build" a human with the specific psychic abilities that they needed to bend/open time or other aspects of their project, our Losties could be the results of the bio-engineering. That's why they are on the island. To take the project to the into next phase.
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Hi, One...
Not to worry - I didn't mean i had thought of all that already. I just meant I wouldn't be tearing it apart... and that I had made posts to contribute to and/or support such ideas (probably from you) on the other thread. But yes, does help gel much of what we've shared... pulls it together.
Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
had to do it. there are a buncha different styles.
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I'm still running with this ball. LOL If this is the connection. Walt and Claire's baby may be the first of the second generation. They need one or the other, especially the baby to see if whatever's been altered in the parents carried through.
ME, if it is a conspiracy to get them there, the twist would be that it's engineered by someone who wants to stop what's been done. Danielle didn't/couldn't let anyone off the island before, maybe she had to somehow get this group to the island for the same reason. She made some comment about not letting the sickness out into the world or somesuch didn't she?
thatsammguy Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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re: above posted map with the interesting numbers.Check out the Dogon tribe:
http://www.crystalinks.com/dogon2.html
http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk/dogon.html
Some interesting connections to Orion and Sirius.Am a better reader than writer so check it out if you will.May have some relevance may not.
needcaffeine Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Hi everyone. Just stopping by to read some intelligent thoughts!
I had a few thoughts about this ep. Seemed like a lot of religious symbolism in this ep. I keep thinking about what Locke said to Charlie in The Moth (when Charlie wanted his guitar). "You've got to give something to the island first." Locke seems to still be following in this path. (The heroine is another hint to dialog from The Moth.) I think Locke gave Boone to the island as a sacrifice (although perhaps subconsiously).
In Locke's dream, Boone walks over to the hatch and stands on directly on it. (Boone could have just stayed where he was - but no - he stands on the hatch.) Then he has the bloody face scene while standing on the hatch: the symbolism of the sacrifice (bloody Boone) and the reward (the hatch)?
The island took away Locke's legs so Boone would be the one forced to climb up to the plane. As soon as Boone and the plane crash, Locke's legs seem to work just fine again.
At the end when Locke is at the hatch, he says "I've done everything you asked." Of course, he is very frustrated and still not understanding the significance of what he has done. The hatch lights up. Hmmm.....
All in all, this episode was brilliant. Even if I never do understand it!
cac120 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
I've been catching up here and also reading elsewhere. I have quite a lot to say, so I think I'll break it down into two posts. First, the stuff about Locke:
In the Deus ex Machina Award/Question show!! thread, furphy said:
Is there any question? Turn on your captions. They are done by the programme, and they are accurate. "There were no survivors of Flight 815". Not, no one was ever found. Not, What was Flight 815? But "There were no survivors of Flight 815". You should have questions indeed, but what was said shouldn't be one of them.
5. How is Locke special?
Well then. Shall we review? Immaculate conception. The Hatch. Miracle. His nature. The girl the monster named Helen. The knives. The hunting. An intense knowledge of history. His relationship with all of the above. I haven't a monster named Helen. Have you?
Furphy, it sounds like you are connecting the monster and Helen, as though Locke has replaced his devotion to the psychic (?) Helen with devotion to the Island. Makes sense to me.
In Fed's Clues As To Who Dies!!! thread, SomeHelp2 said:
To see how this season ends, you may have to look back at the beginning. There is one who wasn't supposed to be there, but for one reason that person has been there all along.
Yes, this person would be a shock, but the others would survive without him.
I think this is what A was hinting at when she told us that one episode doesn't have the numbers in it. The person who isn't connected to the island by the numbers is the one who will die.
If Boone was the boy last night, he received the 8 and 15 from Locke, so he's not the one who will die. It would also mean that Locke is connected to the island through his mother, rather than his father. Emily probably got the numbers from Lenny.
Now, back to this thread.
MrWizard_ (p. 30):
1.Does the island not want them to leave?
2.In locke's dream did he see past,present,and future?
3.Someone mentioned earlier locke not seeing clearly and sawyer being able to see both sides. What does locke have against sawyer?
Well, the island hasn't let anyone else leave. The experiment seems to need children, so most of them aren't needed for that. I don't think they are the children of former experimentees because I think they are the Whisperers, who've been on the island since they were children. So why has the Island called them to it?
Past: The plane flying in. Emily in the fur coat. Theresa. Wheelchair is the past but Locke mistakes it for the future. He believes it means he's going to lose his legs again and so it happens.
Present: Boone saying they can't open the hatch is Locke doubting his faith in the island.
Future: Boone's blood. Boone standing on the hatch as though it's an altar. Plane foreshadows it's discovery. Theresa foreshadows Boone falling.
Locke tried to blame Sawyer for knocking Sayid out. This nearly led to Sawyer's death in the same way that we expect Locke to cause the upcoming death. Locke sees that Sawyer is a con man. He lost his kidney to a con man.
Jenny (p.30) Welcome to the thread! I was wondering if schizophrenia is hereditary. Is thinking there's a God in a Machine a symptom?
Berbu (p. 32): I wondered if they'd tried just knocking on the door to see if someone would let them in.
The Whisperers are frightened and in need of help. They weren't sure if they could trust Sayid or Sawyer, and stayed in the dark when Locke and Boone were excavating the hatch. When Locke displays his own fear and asks for help, the Whisperers recognize these qualities in him and turn on the light.
It looks like they are turning on the light before they answer the door, so maybe Locke goes down the hatch when he is missing next week.
cac120 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
Posted: Apr 01, 2005 12:26 AM
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And now the miscellaneous stuff:
Here's another bit from furphy, this time in the i feel so bad for claire!! thread:
http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=300624
Did you hear what Kate said afters? These fools chasing mystical radio transmissions, and they are missing the real clues. Watch the prevue, and listen to what Kate says.
Kate says, "I'm scared too." I don't think she's talking about delivering Claire's baby.
In Fed's Clues As To Who Dies!!! thread, SomeHelp2 said:
To see how this season ends, you may have to look back at the beginning. There is one who wasn't supposed to be there, but for one reason that person has been there all along.
Yes, this person would be a shock, but the others would survive without him.
I think this is what A was hinting at when she told us that one episode doesn't have the numbers in it. The person who isn't connected to the island by the numbers is the one who will die.
If Boone was the boy last night, he received the 8 and 15 from Locke, so he's not the one who will die. It would also mean that Locke is connected to the island through his mother, rather than his father. Emily probably got the numbers from Lenny.
And back to this thread again:
davis (p 30): Sawyer is reading 'A Wrinkle in Time' by Madeleine L'Engle. Has anyone read it?
You're new to this board, aren't you? If you have any comments on the other thread, please bump it up. I'd love to discuss it further with you.
Anni (p. 30): FED, is it coincidence that the names of the streets where "mom" lived are the same as the aviation connections that i found and mentioned? i think not. notice that Ocean Air is out of Tustin, CA???? both Alma and Selma were WASP's in WW2.
One of our friends hinted that the four names were all in the same business, so I think you've found it.
The clothes on the priest weren't completely disintegrated. Locke was commenting on the degree of deterioration he saw.
Naughty: (p. 32): On the cliff under the plane is a red "stain" that I first thought was just rust that had trickled down from the plane, but you can see (best when right before the plane falls head first) that it takes the shape of a skull from an earlier homo species. (It is a side view profile) Erectus or habilis or something. The brow is set back, the jaw is protruded.
It could be more foreshadowing of Boone's imminent fall, or of the body he's about to find. It could also indicate the island's history goes much further back than we know. Not the Biblical Adam & Eve this time, but the archaeological one.
Rain (p. 36), a few of us have posted about St. Theresa. Contrary to what someone else said, she doesn't have blood on her. She described seeing God in sexual terms, which is rather controversial, and was even more so in her day. I don't think it's a Boone reference, but rather a Locke one. I would imagine that's how Locke felt when he saw the monster and when the light came on.
One (p. 37): Danielle didn't/couldn't let anyone off the island before, maybe she had to somehow get this group to the island for the same reason. She made some comment about not letting the sickness out into the world or somesuch didn't she?
No, she was talking about not wanting to be rescued because she doesn't want to leave the island until she rescues Alex. The illness can't be contagious or else she'd have it.
I can't believe I'm finally caught up.
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cac120 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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And now a few new observations:
Photos:
Kayaking against a dark and light sky. Has Locke been looking at a boat, or submarine, out in the water?
Dad with a small figure beside him. Is it just me, or does this photo look odd, like the smaller figure is cut and pasted? It looks like an out of scale adult.
Scuba diver with starfish. As someone said, the diary.
Dad with a shadowy face. He can't be clearly seen.
Emily disappeared while she was pregnant. Sound like anyone we know?
Sawyer is far-sighted. Not only does he see through the two lenses, he can see further than he's supposed to. This is another example of a Special way of seeing.
Jack taking Saywer's sexual history in front of Kate was hilarious, but it's the second time he's given details of it. The diary writer speculates that someone might be a rapist and she was (sexually?) attacked in Louisiana and Sawyer's Confidence Man scam involved the Louisiana government. Hmmm....
Why was Jack shaving? Is this foreshadowing a shaving scene before his wedding next week?
In the car, Locke is calling out to God, just as he is on the hatch. Presumably God didn't answer the first time, but now he does. At least, that's how Locke interprets the light.
Must go to bed now. I expect there will be lots of replies before I get up, but hopefully it won't take me all day to get through them.
daviscbls Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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To see how this season ends, you may have to look back at the beginning. There is one who wasn't supposed to be there, but for one reason that person has been there all along.
- In the original 'pilot' wasn't Jack supposed to die but the writers changed their minds? Maybe it's Jack who dies.
Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
if ya live on the east coast north, get your rafts ready!!!
Ok someone let me know if this has been gone over before, but I don't recall seeing it.
Also, I think it would be a good idea to have a thread with lists in it. Any lists that we have come up with, I know I can think of a few. If this has been done, please someone tell me where it is so I can visit it. Thanks
Here is my current list that came to me in the shower this morning LOL
SCAMS!!! Who was involved in what scam(s)
Heres what I have thought of so far.....please if I miss ANYTHING, fill me in.
Jack-involved in his dad's scam to cover up the botched surgery...maybe involved in a scam with possible wife? (find out next week)
Kate-involved in bank scam, scammed Ray when trying to leave his house (stole money I think)
Boone-involved in Shannon's money scams, stole the water
Shannon-believe she was scammed out of money, scams Boone for money
Locke-scammed out of a body part, (a lot more possibilities of scams involing the hatch, Boone climbinh the cliff, etc)
Sawyer-con man. Enough said? Also scammed into killing the wrong man
Sayid-not sure yet, anyone?
Hurley-hmmmm. Wonder if why he was in the hospital has a scam involved...does being falsely arrested for being a drug dealer count? Maybe someone set him up or something...
Michael-was scammed out of raising his son if you ask me. Was lied to about who lit his raft on fire
Walt-scammed his dad by burning the raft
Jin-involved in some scam work with suns dad. Scammed her into thinking he didn't have a father
Sun-scammed her husband by lying about learning english, or was going to by leaving him.
Charlie-was scamming that girl so he could steal for drug money, was scammed by brother in the band business
Claire-was she scammed by the psychic? We don't know yet.
daviscbls Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Something to consider... We're the people 'brought' to the island or did they end up there by change. I did think that they were brought there because the island/people wanted something from them but now I'm leaning towards them being there by change because of the fact that some of them died. The 'priest', if he was being brought to the island, why did he die? Or maybe he had already done what he came to do and then died. Perhaps the magnetism of the island sucks people/planes/ships in and then searches through the wreckage for what is useful. We see glimpses of past lives so that we can understand why people behave the way they do... just an idea.
Have to go out today so I look forward to catching up when I get back.... Happy thinking!
Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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It could be more foreshadowing of Boone's imminent fall, or of the body he's about to find. It could also indicate the island's history goes much further back than we know. Not the Biblical Adam & Eve this time, but the archaeological one.
Walt and Claire's baby may be the first of the second generation. They need one or the other, especially the baby to see if whatever's been altered in the parents carried through
Don°?t forget ALEX!! Could this be why she said °?child°? rather than son or daughter? Maybe she didn°?t know what the heck °?it°? was!!
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post?reply=true&messageID=2982844reply Posted: Apr 01, 2005 07:21 AM
when Boone and Locke are searching for the plane , Locke is using a compass - didn't he give his compass to Sayid saying he didn't need it any more ? or did I miis something?
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Naughty, what lists we have are the themes of the titles, which can be found on the first two pages of the 2nd thread. The scams are listed under Confidence Man. I doubt we have all of those, though, so I'll go add them now.
Davis, the numbers brought them all to the island, just as they brought Hurley and Danielle. Those who weren't supposed to be there (i.e. not connected to the island by the numbers) were the ones who died.
Beagle, he did give his compass to Sayid. Did he have two? Did Sayid give it back because it wasn't working properly? Why did Sayid ask Jack about the compass instead of Locke?
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cac, but if they died because they weren't related to the numbers, why bring them to the island in the first place?
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By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
No, she was talking about not wanting to be rescued because she doesn't want to leave the island until she rescues Alex. The illness can't be contagious or else she'd have it.
keep in mind though, that's your opinion, cac! not fact yet.. but good theory. still very good chance that she doesn't want people to get off the island because she doesn't want the rest of the world to be subject to the evils that the psychic was so terrified of.
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By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
cac, but if they died because they weren't related to the numbers, why bring them to the island in the first place?
maybe they weren't "brought" in the way that you're thinking... maybe it wasn't as orchestrated by a person as group.
we touched on this before, and A. did tell us that it wasn't so intentinal... yet a sort of fate or cosmic intervention or something landed them all there on the island. i forget her exact words - but she assured us it wasn't so orchestrated or humanly plotted.
Naughty, what lists we have are the themes of the titles, which can be found on the first two pages of the 2nd thread. The scams are listed under Confidence Man. I doubt we have all of those, though, so I'll go add them now.
cac, i was going to mention the same thing to Naughty. I think we called it "cons"... but same thing. Our list is definitely under Confidence Man, but you're right in that it needs updated, now that more episodes have passed.
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By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
3.Someone mentioned earlier locke not seeing clearly and sawyer being able to see both sides. What does locke have against sawyer?
I guess I'm not sure what Sawyer being able to see clear and being able to see both sides has to do with how Locke feels about Sawyer. I've said before that I think Locke and Sawyer are very alike in their ability to read and perceive others and the situation, but their presentation/delivery are different. Both of their perceptions are influenced by their own beliefs and experiences about human nature and life though.
Right now, Locke's perception is being very skewed by both his belief system and doubts. Therefore, Sawyer is now the one with the stronger, more balance vision.
All in all, if anything, I think there could be an underlying rivalry between the two - as both have a very independent nature, as a product of their upbringing. Both are leaders... and it's hard to have too many leaders in such a small group of people.
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post?reply=true&messageID=2983423reply Posted: Apr 01, 2005 07:53 AM
ME: we touched on this before, and A. did tell us that it wasn't so intentinal... yet a sort of fate or cosmic intervention or something landed them all there on the island. i forget her exact words - but she assured us it wasn't so orchestrated or humanly plotted.
That's what I meant. I don't think they were chosen by a person or group, but by the island or fate. Those who died just happened to be on the plane. It was their bad luck to not be associated with the numbers.
Did you see my thread about the airplanes? There's a bit more about this there.
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By: MEandthesea ( 1323 Posts ) Registered: Jan 21, 2005 10:51 AM
you have a thread about the airplanes? no, didn't see it cac. will go look...
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post?reply=true&messageID=2986566reply Posted: Apr 01, 2005 10:13 AM
anyone thnk there is an allusion to the plane crash when Locke shoots his bird? they were both flying and then came crashing down. the dad says "let's find your bird" right after Locke finally found the plane...
WOO HOO my 122nd post!
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By: SmidgeInNH ( 982 Posts ) Registered: Mar 29, 2005 06:42 AM
What is up with the preview pictures of DNH on lost-media.com? There's just nothing there. Pictures of faces. That's all. No shots of character interaction, just faces. And Boone's face, laying down with his eyes wide open - creepy.
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post?reply=true&messageID=2988095reply Posted: Apr 01, 2005 11:03 AM
Catching up on everything...it's a bird, it's a plane! LOL All of this is so informative.
Question: Not sure if this was brought up yet. Wasn't anyone else as surprised as I was to Boone's anti-climactic reaction to Locke telling him that he used to be in a wheelchair and can now walk.
Locke: "...paralyzed for four years...I was in that wheelchair when we took off, but not after we crashed."
Boone: "Why were you in a wheelcahir"
Hello??? that's it?? I certainly would have had a different reaction, but perhaps they are so accustomed to all the strange occurences, that he can understand. Anyone else have any thoughts on this??
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ME...good question. I had to go back and watch it again to see for sure. But, yes, it is afterthe dream. I thought that right away...how blase he was about the whole thing. Contrast Boone's reaction to a man having the ability to walk again with Charlie's reaction to Hurley being a millionaire. I guess it's easier to believe someone could get up out of a wheelchair then it is to believe someone won the lottery!
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Someone on the Fun thread mentioned how Locke's dad said immaculate conception would mean he was god and pointed out him being on the dialysis machine. Thought that should be brought here since it related to the title of the episode.
Cac-shave scene as glance into Jacks epi-thought about the "Better or Worse" in the same context. Also ties into the religious theme.
Boone tells Locke he needs to get him to Jack. Locke says Jack wouldn't know the first thing about what's wrong with me. (note: not necessarily exactly what he said). Made me think maybe Locke's problem isn't physical especially after his mom and her past.
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sdog...I think the top of my head just blew off! WOW...never thought of Locke's paralysis to be anything other than physical...but YES, it could be something else.
Look what I found:
Hysterical Paralysis In An Adolescent Female
Eric H. Affsprung, Ph.D.
Psychological Services
Bucknell University
Lewisburg, PA 17837
ABSTRACT
An sixteen-year-old female was seen for fifteen sessions of once-a-week, individual, psychodynamic psychotherapy over the course of five months. The patient presented with symptoms of depression as well as pain and extensive paralysis in both legs. Despite the patient's unwillingness to utilize anti-depressant medication and little family support, treatment was successful in both the alleviation of her depression and the elimination of somatic symptoms.
Cite as: Affsprung EH Hysterical Paralysis in an Adolescent Female. Int J Psychopath Psychopharmacol Psychother 1996, 1 (1). URL http://www.psycom.net/ijppp.v1n1.html
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