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cac120 Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3 fficeffice" />?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comPosted: Mar 27, 2005 07:03 AMpost?reply=true&threadID=293350&messageID=2877567reply1713 PostsRegistered: Sep 03, 2004 06:39 PMThe discussion has now moved on to Part 4:http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=316067Last page:http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=1050&threadID=293350The second thread is getting a bit long, so I'd like to move discussion to this one. We've been asked not to allow it each segment to get too long because they might disappear.The second thread will continue to be used to archive Episode Summaries, Links, Diary, Spoilers and Clues.http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=277771�The original thread is still available and can be found at:http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=0&threadID=241141Message was edited by: cac120cac120 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3Posted: Mar 27, 2005 07:04 AMpost?reply=true&messageID=2877570reply1713 PostsRegistered: Sep 03, 2004 06:39 PMAt the end of the old thread, I said that I didn't think Locke will be faking the problems with his legs in this week's episode. I agree with Ceird that it's most likely to be a disruption in the magnetic field that causes it and that his desperation indicates his real panic about the situation.From the short clip we saw, Locke feels betrayed by the Island as though his god betrayed him. Locke believes so strongly in what he's experienced on the Island that it's become a religion to him. A fundamentalist religion. That's frightening because we all know how far fundamentalists will go to defend their beliefs against perceived attacks.In this light, I'm rethinking the boar being hung by the Others. I was thinking that they sacrificed it to the monster just like the savage boys did in LOTF. Now I'm thinking that it was Locke sacrificing it to the monster, whom he believes is a god. Maybe the real reason he stopped catching the boars for food is because he believes the people are not worthy, only the Monster God is. It also goes along with the Exodus story of the golden calf, the false god.As Mae pointed out, Locke isn't the spiritual guide of the group; Jack is the moral compass, making him Moses. All along, Locke has been luring people to his side. I don't mean that he's evil. He 'just' believes very strongly that what he is doing is the only right thing to be done.cac120 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3Posted: Mar 27, 2005 07:25 AMpost?reply=true&messageID=2877611reply1713 PostsRegistered: Sep 03, 2004 06:39 PM
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Some unanswered questions raised toward the end of Part 2:fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
How many different pairs of handcuffs have we been shown?
Could the handcuffs in the jungle not have been on the plane?
Is Kate the 'she' that the 'Marshal' warned Jack about?
How many marshals were there and who else was in handcuffs?
What's causing Sawyer's headaches?
Is he the one being poisoned?
OneisLost Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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I don't think Sawyer is the one being poisoned. If it's deliberate, it's likely a woman is doing it. That's a woman's weapon, takes a devious mind and patience to do it slowly. ;0) Kate may have the knowledge but it's not her style, she's more avoidance then direct confrontation. I'd say the poisoner is either Sun or Claire. Sun's obvious target is Jin, however if she's contemplating a relationship with Michael, she may feel threatened by Walt, so he would be the target.
Claire hasn't had much contact with anyone but Charlie so I don't know who her target would be but him.
I don't think Shannon has the wits to poison someone but, we haven't seen enough about her to change that assumption.
A fanatical Locke is a scary thing. I agree he hung the boar. That's why he's taken to eating the rats. He doesn't feel even he is worthy to consume the boar. Interesting though the comment about the fruit, etc. being fine for the rest of them while he's maintaining a diet of protein. hmmm...
OneisLost Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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In the promo did they show anyone else seeing the plane coming in? Can't remember. I think it crashes on another side of the island from the camp. Boone & Locke find it and Boone radio's for help, hears a response and before he can speak again, either Locke comes up behind him and whacks him again or lures him off to the hatch and does the dirty deed before Boone can tell anyone else.
If this happens, it's entirely possible that once the rest of the gang finds out about the plane they turn on Locke. He could become the second death that's been alluded to which would set up a whole new dynamic for the gang.
sdogTSOL Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Naughty-will you please take a scientific look at these two sites? They are talking about a machine like Locke's that involves magnets, electricity, water and sound. Also has changing magnetic field strength, killing or destroying microorganisms, embryonic states, ultrasound, tissue repair, large animals, government conspiracy and more.
CONCLUSION
When properly used, pulsed magnetic fields can produce broad band ultrasound which can, as Royal Raymond Rife showed in the 1920's and 30's, destroy microorganisms which can maintain a disease state in the body.
No sucker for you, yet. (yes, sucker is a play on words Sawyer style).
Hold on to that sense of humor-it's a great survival tool.
Does anyone have a link to the promo? I haven't seen it yet.
sdogTSOL Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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cac-by my count, at least two differnt pairs of cuffs.
Maybe Sawyer is suffering from nicotine withdrawl and Jack has some nicorett gum he is withholding because Sawyer was such a jerk about Shannon's meds.
Ceirdwyn Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
I didn't see Boone get hit. Is that from somewhere else?
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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I don't think we see Boone get hit in the promos - I think One was speculating...
A possibility... as far as the "witch hunt" goes. Locke has been pretty good about deflecting blame and attention off himself, or someone else he wants to protect... so if, say, Locke does hit Boone over the head for sending out the distress call - Locke might then point the finger at someone else.. put ideas in their minds about who might have done it, to take the suspicion off himself.
I have no idea if Boone will get bonked on the head yet again though. Maybe he should start wearing a helmet.
p.s. I'm amazed at the words that get sensored! I just had to change a seemingly very benign slang word I used that meant getting hit over the head, because it was sensored when I posted it... which made it seem much worse a word than it was! Wow - talk about minds being in the gutter... (yet "bonk" is ok. hunh?)
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Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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what exactly does it mean when someone writes the word "bump"? i have never known, and every time i see it i wonder LOL
For those of you who celebrate Easter, happy holiday!
For those of you who don't, happy Sunday!
Fed, thanks for the marshal clear-up!
Sea, i know we all agree to disagree. Sane adults deal with that fine, i just wanted to put the idea out there and since i did, no one has speculated on why we didn't see him "badgering" anyone else. I'm open to changing my mind of course (i am still trying to figure out what word you sued that got censored LOLOL)
I love how anytihng is possible! However, i do think that Kate's relationship with the "marshal" is not exactly what it seems, and I'm not sure i think he is a marshal at all. He could have meant someone else is dangerous, but then again, he could have been dreaming LOL
The "rased by an other" clip i wrote was touching on an idea someone presented here about the psychic perhaps not meaning the baby could not be raised by another besides Claire, but that it should NOT be raised by "An Other". i dont remember who said it, as it was all going very fast. Anyone else remember?
Sdog, I love science, but i do have to tell you, i didn't take physical biochemistry. Or engineering. And physics wasn't my stronghold by ANY means. I have read the second article and perused the first, and i must say people have been swearing by those magnetic bracelets for a long time now. (altho that is a miniscule version of what they are taking about). To begin, i would like to say that sometimes things are too good to be true, and the way this idea is presented in the articles makes it seem like the answer to everything, the cure for all, the amazing breakthru that can heal so much. There is definitely evidence of these ideas in the article being true. No doubt that magnetic energy can do all those things. However, one of the problems with HIV therapy and chemotherapy is that the drugs we make to kill the bad cells cannot tell the good cells from the bad ones. This is why chemo is so difficult for the human body. At the same token, if we used a system to kill bacteria and viruses, we would have to be sure that our own pathogen-fighting cells were not being destroyed also. (remember that viruses are amazing and we know little in the grand scheme of things. we still have not even understood if they are "living" or not. They fit some but not all the criteria for being a living cell. Bacteria we know a lot more about, but they are just as advanced, mutating and forming different strains faster than we can keep up.) That's a risky business, and the reason we don't have a cure for cancer yet. Turning differentiated cells backwards, in my opinion, is playing with fire. Because you are also turning cells you DO want differentiated back to square one. And that is very dangerous. And what good are we if we are just a lump of undifferentiated cells? There is much debate already over the use of stem cells. Even those are true stems. They are not cells that we chemically turned into stems. That's all a slippery slope. SO, I'm not sure what i think of it. It's been over 7 years since that article came out, and i have not heard of any major breakthroughs concerning it, but the theory is very real and very grounded. Only the "side effects" are also just as real, and playing with human life is so dangerous.
Do i NOW get my Popillol?? And about my sense of humor, if i could relate to you how much time out of my day is spent laughing, you probably wouldn't believe me!!
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Cac, thanks for the new thread!fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Anyone know how A is doing this morning???
TheL0St1 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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[quote]what exactly does it mean when someone writes the word "bump"? i have never known, and every time i see it i wonder [/quote]
Bring Up My Post
Pretty simple
on another note, I have used the name TheLoSt1 for several years now as my online gmae name and my Hotmail e-mail for several years as well and it has finally attached itself to something.
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kdebears Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Bump is just a way of moving an interesting thread forward to the first page and to the attention of other posters who may have valuable info/ideas to add to it.
Many of us really enjoy reading the postings, but don't always feel that we have anything extra to add to that thread.
So BUMP.
sdogTSOL Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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There is definitely evidence of these ideas in the article being true. No doubt that magnetic energy can do all those things.
Thanks naughty-That's exactly what I wanted to know or at least have confirmed by someone else. Feasibility, if not proof. I'm thinking along the lines that the "others" are somehow using the black rock/magnetite, radio tower, power source and water to control the illness Danielle mentioned. She said they controlled the tower.
She also said she wouldn't let a rescue happen. That's why I think she was the one who hit Sayid over the head (wacked, bonked). And if someone did in fact knock Boone out when he was using the radio on the plane-my guess is it was Danielle.
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I am ALWAYS willing to talk science. I live, eat, sleep, drink, and p**p science.
but what about the meaning of "bump"? i got bumped last nite. is that good or bad? is it "bump up" or "bump OFF"?
sdogTSOL Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
Oh yeah-bump means you have nothing new to post but want to keep the thread at the top of the board-as in bump the thread up on the general message board. New post keep move threads up toward the top of the board where they are easy to find.
sdogTSOL Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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i got bumped last nite.
ME is gonna be all over you for that one-no personal info.
Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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I'm not sure i understand what you just meant
what does that have to do with me getting a bump because we were under the sparks in the microwave thread? LOLOL
sdogTSOL Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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You were not bumped. This thread was. The poster was adding a post to this thread because it was moving down on the list.
You are cracking me up Naughty.
OneisLost Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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i bumped the thread up to the top of the list. the microwave reference was a joke ie: our wonderful thread which is full of knowledge was found below an irrevelant post about pickles. ;0) Can't let that happen.
I was speculating on Locke knocking Boone in the head over the plane. However, I finally got the promo to work and it does appear that Locke was only speaking to one other person when he asked if they saw the plane, so we'll just have to wait and see.
Locke making the comment that he doesn't understand why the island is taking away it's gift also led me to believe he doesn't really know what's going on. That coupled with the hanging boar pretty much sealed it. He's looking at things from a spiritual/mystical point of view rather than a scientific one.
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One: Locke making the comment that he doesn't understand why the island is taking away it's gift also led me to believe he doesn't really know what's going on. That coupled with the hanging boar pretty much sealed it. He's looking at things from a spiritual/mystical point of view rather than a scientific one.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Exactly what I'm thinking.
I think it was Locke who hit Sayid because he doesn't want to find a way off the island.
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Naughty said: i just wanted to put the idea out there and since i did, no one has speculated on why we didn't see him "badgering" anyone else.
I think you answered you question yourself, or at least why many of us think the "marshal" wasn't "badgering" anyone else:
However, i do think that Kate's relationship with the "marshal" is not exactly what it seems, and I'm not sure i think he is a marshal at all.
The "marshal" "badgered" Kate in a very familiar way - and if you look at the transcript, it seems even more familiar. Think of how siblings/family badger each other in a way that they wouldn't badger complete strangers or aquaintances. He could still treat her that way if they were rival colleagues or have some other non-"marshal"/fugitive relationship.
I think it IS the way he "badgered" her (though it didn't feel like ("badgering" to me) that makes me feel that it's something much more different, and familiar, than what it seems. Even the way Kate hesitated in the way she referred to the "marshal" with Jack - when they dug up the body. She stopped herself when she realized she was talking about the "marshal" in a too familiar way... so she changed her words a bit. Jack already knew about she was with the "marshal" by then - that's one reason they were digging him up... so what she DOESN'T want Jack to know is the exact nature of her relationship with the "marshal".
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Exactly what I'm thinking.
I think it was Locke who hit Sayid because he doesn't want to find a way off the island.
Exactly what I'm thinking too!! I thought it was Locke all along who hit Sayid, but now it's becoming so much more clear how much Locke DOESN'T really KNOW what is really happing on the island... as opposed to what he believes is happening. Remember that he told Claire that he believes "in a lot of things". He also gave Jack that whole talk about being a meat and potatos guy... but that the island is magic. After what we've all discussed the past few days - since we saw that promo, really... I absolutely agree that he is is believing the spiritual/mystical rather than scientific. This all really shines a whole new light on Locke...
Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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HAHA ok a few things...
i understand now what bump means lol. what i dont get is Dogs statement of why Sea was gonna be all over me (i understand the personal info stuff) and how THAT related at all to the bump. lol
also, i think i didnt make myself clear maybe about my idea with Kate and the Marshal. " "
i certainly dont think he is a real marshal. and i dont think they had the relationship we are supposed to think they did. I do think that they were on a personal level that's being hidden. so i agree with you all
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there. what im trying to say is, how could he have been talking about someone else when it's HER we see him catch. Maybe it's me that is misundertanding what you all are saying, i dunno The "where is she" question.....(unless they will show us later, which is possible...) we didn't see him escorting anyone else. and i would like ot go back and look at the part when he asks to talk to her. he was clearly talking about her as he was strangling her LOL i feel maybe we are looking too far into it. but as always, i could be wrongfficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
OneisLost Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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is the exact nature of her relationship with the "marshal".
Are we watching the right hand again? What if Marshall is the man Kate loved? The man she killed? Inadvertantly, but nevertheless, he's dead because of her.
The plane was in his briefcase. If that was what she got from the safety deposit box, when did he end up with it?
Their relationship is clearly more than professional, in fact, I'd say it was downright personal.
We've been speculating the person she killed was in her past. Just maybe not the distant past. ;0)
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But he's too icky for Kate to have been in love with him!
I think it's much more likely that he's the brother or father of the man she loved.
There's a slight chance that she was talking about two different men -- one that she loved and one that she killed, but when you watch that scene, it really looks like it was the same man.
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sdogTSOL Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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One-that is sooooo weird I was just typing the following and had it ready to paste when I read your post!
We never saw the toy plane in the lockbox at the bank. The first time we see it is when Jack opens the case. It was in a case that belonged to the "marshal" in an envelope marked "personal" (I think). Maybe the toy plane belonged to the "marshal". Maybe he was the man Kate loved.
Thinking right hand, left hand. She feels responsible for his death because he died as a result of coming after her.
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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what i dont get is Dogs statement of why Sea was gonna be all over me (i understand the personal info stuff) and how THAT related at all to the bump.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Naughty, I think it was just sdog's attempt at a joke , implying that when you said "someone bumped me last night", it had a naughty connotation... and therefore saying it might be too personal (joking because i mentioned earlier about not posting anything too personal here). Anyway, not to worry - I'm not going to get all over anyone. I don't think I've EVER jumped all over anyone on this board.
what im trying to say is, how could he have been talking about someone else when it's HER we see him catch. Maybe it's me that is misundertanding what you all are saying, i dunno The "where is she" question.....(unless they will show us later, which is possible...) we didn't see him escorting anyone else.
Naughty, all we're saying, or all I'm saying, when I bring up the idea, is that he never SAYS "Kate is dangerous"... just "she is dangerous". I'm ONLY saying there is a possibility that we could be seeing and hearing and interpreting it to mean Kate because that is the most obvious... but that we shouldn't overlook or dismiss the POSSIBILITY that he might have been talking about another "she" entirely. I'm not saying he IS talking about someone else... but trying to look at the scene from a different angle... from a different perspective (as we've been encouraged to do), it just seemed to me we might be overlooking something. Just like we all assumed Sawyer got the gun and badge off Kate's "marshal", since that was the easiest assumption to make, when it could have been a different body entirely.
I'm not sure how else I can explain it, except to say that I'm considering possiblities, and it is possible he was talking about another "she". Especially if Kate and he were working together undercover. If so, Kate could STILL be undercover. You just never know with this show.
Stog, the envelope that Kate got out of the briefcase, which contained the blue envelope that held the plane, said "Personal Effects" - not just "personal". So, the belongings of someone who had died. Now, why would the "marshal" have someone's personal effects in that breifcase... and the only personal effect that must have been on the body had to have been toy plane.
fedrich519 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Wow, we moved again! I really love this thread, it is the first one I check after I check on the purple one.
I had a great thread about the restraints around four or five months ago, hate that it is gone.
The hook up that Kate was in on the plane was something I have never seen before. The cable that was looped through the cuffs was something I have not seen used. The cable was most likely secured to a waist chain. The cable thing is not used by the Marshal's Service. The Marshal's Service uses cuffs that are secured to the waist chain with a small black box that clips onto the cuffs, covering the keyholes to prevent lock picking. The chain is looped through an opening in the black box and the extra length of chain is padlocked back onto the waist chain, basically bringing the hands close into the waist. You can still eat and drink but it is very uncomfortable and awkward. This set up further prevents the prisoner from freeing him/herself because the padlock is secured to the right or left side, close to a hip. First of all, you have to unlock the padlock and feed the extra length of chain back through the black box, unclip the black box from the cuffs, and THEN unlock the cuffs with the cuff key. If the prisoner obtained the keys, unlocking the padlock would be next to impossible without help. I will chalk this one up to creative license, because if Kate were hooked up this way, she most likely would have died in the crash.
The hand cuffs she had on her wrists were ridiculously large and not put on correctly. They were over her wrists and on top of her jacket sleeves. The way they were riding up made it look like it was above the wrist bone. She could have squeezed her hand right out of it if she wanted to. I guess they weren't aiming at realism in that scene. Handcuffs are not comfortable to wear and not meant to be. As long as circulation is not compromised, they should be on as tight as possible. Kate's most definitely were not. Again, I will chalk this one up to creative license.
Anyway, the cuffs Kate had on the plane look similar in size and length of chain to the one that Walt found in the woods.
Here's the good part.
They were not the same pair that they used to secure Jin to the wreckage. Leg irons were used to secure Jin. The length of chain on the restraints was the length of leg irons. Go back and look at HRS at the scene when Walt is on the beach looking at Jin and Michael walks up "Hey, did you say something to my boy?" You can see it very clearly. They were leg irons.
So what does that mean?
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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I just read in another thread that A. thinks everyone is tired of hearing what she has to say... which I don't understand at all. I don't want to make a big deal or fuss about it, but for the record, I do want to say (on behalf of all the posters of this thread)...
If you read this A., please know that we NEVER get tired of hearing what you have to say, so please do come back as soon as you're feeling up to it - we miss you, and always welcome your insight, clues and encouragement. We also appreciate your feedback, when you see us heading in the right direction.
Meanwhile, we greatly respect your need for quiet and rest, and we're extremely glad you're getting it. Just know we'll be here when you get back - and hopefully we'll be seeing you here some day soon!
Now... you rest, and we'll back to Lost talk...
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A, ditto what ME said. Now get off that piano and back into bed! ;0)
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fed, I'm in awe of your knowledge of handcuffs and other assorted restraints... and again, a bit scared by it as well.
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ME, the feelings of awe and fright are not needed. Remember, I am a Sanitation Worker from Omaha that watches too much TV.
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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this is what i'm sayin', fed... a sanitation worker who watches too much tv who knows way too much about handcuffs. we'll start calling you the Cliffy of sanitation workers.
fedrich519 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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I guess if I am going to keep up the charade I should change my username from "fed" to "san".
How's this
sancliff519
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
naw, you'd need to keep your status as sanitation worker top secret... better keep fed or else others might find out your real sanitation job. that whole "fed" thing you've got going on is a good cover - verry smart thinkin'... you savvy collector of rubbage. I can only IMAGINE what a wealth of knowledge that job is - you must pick up all sort of interesting things.
So, what do you think the Lostie's do with their trash? Most of it is probably organic, so do you think they compost? Is it overstepping to ask what you think, being in that waste management field (not to give you away)?
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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sancliff519
I just saw this - funny! I think you should just stick with fedrich519 though. i'm afraid I'd keep forgetting who sancliff519 is! it's up to you though... a fedrich by any other name...
Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Naughty, I think it was just sdog's attempt at a joke , implying that when you said "someone bumped me last night", it had a naughty connotation...
DUH. wow. I did think that someone was going to comment on that but it didn't dawn on me that's what he meant by personal info LOL i can't believe i didn't catch what he was saying. I am never the last to get it. Did i ever mention I'm blonde?
I'm not sure how else I can explain it, except to say that I'm considering possiblities, and it is possible he was talking about another "she".
Well, either way, I'm not ruling it out at all. he could have been talking about anyone, prolly me.
I anxiously await some answers on that one considering then i would want to know why he actually hated Kate so much. Good thinking that he could be the man she loved and killed. who knows
the envelope that Kate got out of the briefcase, which contained the blue envelope that held the plane, said "Personal Effects" - not just "personal". So, the belongings of someone who had died.
Is that what "personal effects" means? Oh, i didn't know that. i was gonna say somthing, but if that is true, my thought was fruitless.
I just read in another thread that A. thinks everyone is tired of hearing what she has to say... which I don't understand at all.
I say we form a LOST-ish search party for the person who ever gave A that stupid idea!! That's certainly NOT the case. Hope she knows that.
fed, I'm in awe of your knowledge of handcuffs and other assorted restraints... and again, a bit scared by it as well
Um. i don't think I"m gonna touch that one. But it is a little odd
lizpeppermint Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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fed if you chang your name it would be sanrich (too close to sandwich - makes me hungry) lol. I grew up in a sanitation worker family... itis amazing how much sanitation workers know about law enforcement and the like
naw, you'd need to keep your status as sanitation worker top secret... better keep fed or else others might find out your real sanitation job. that whole "fed" thing you've got going on is a good cover - verry smart thinkin'... you savvy collector of rubbage. I can only IMAGINE what a wealth of knowledge that job is - you must pick up all sort of interesting things.
So, what do you think the Lostie's do with their trash? Most of it is probably organic, so do you think they compost? Is it overstepping to ask what you think, being in that waste management field (not to give you away)?
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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sancliff519
I just saw this - funny! I think you should just stick with fedrich519 though. i'm afraid I'd keep forgetting who sancliff519 is! it's up to you though... a fedrich by any other name...
Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Naughty, I think it was just sdog's attempt at a joke , implying that when you said "someone bumped me last night", it had a naughty connotation...
DUH. wow. I did think that someone was going to comment on that but it didn't dawn on me that's what he meant by personal info LOL i can't believe i didn't catch what he was saying. I am never the last to get it. Did i ever mention I'm blonde?
I'm not sure how else I can explain it, except to say that I'm considering possiblities, and it is possible he was talking about another "she".
Well, either way, I'm not ruling it out at all. he could have been talking about anyone, prolly me.
I anxiously await some answers on that one considering then i would want to know why he actually hated Kate so much. Good thinking that he could be the man she loved and killed. who knows
the envelope that Kate got out of the briefcase, which contained the blue envelope that held the plane, said "Personal Effects" - not just "personal". So, the belongings of someone who had died.
Is that what "personal effects" means? Oh, i didn't know that. i was gonna say somthing, but if that is true, my thought was fruitless.
I just read in another thread that A. thinks everyone is tired of hearing what she has to say... which I don't understand at all.
I say we form a LOST-ish search party for the person who ever gave A that stupid idea!! That's certainly NOT the case. Hope she knows that.
fed, I'm in awe of your knowledge of handcuffs and other assorted restraints... and again, a bit scared by it as well
Um. i don't think I"m gonna touch that one. But it is a little odd
lizpeppermint Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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fed if you chang your name it would be sanrich (too close to sandwich - makes me hungry) lol. I grew up in a sanitation worker family... itis amazing how much sanitation workers know about law enforcement and the like
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The "marshal" "badgered" Kate in a very familiar way - and if you look at the transcript, it seems even more familiar. Think of how siblings/family badger each other in a way that they wouldn't badger complete strangers or aquaintances. He could still treat her that way if they were rival colleagues or have some other non-"marshal"/fugitive relationship. fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
I have to agree with ME and everyone else about this... I just wanted to add... if the "Marshal" believed Kate's story and was hoping "they" (whoever they are)believed her too...it was almost as if he cared about what happened to her in some way. Why was he so intent on letting Jack know how dangerous she was? Also, I never saw the first couple of episodes so I may be misunderstanding this and this may have been discussed but was the "Marshal" the only passenger majorly injured? I find that curious. It seems as if the ones that lived were relativley uninjured (minor cuts, scrapes and bruises - some required small amounts of stiches but that is it). The "Marshal" as I understand had a piece of plane in his abdomen? Was that from the crash or did someone do that to him? (I know we are to assume it was the crash, but it may explain his "change" in attitude if he thought Kate or an accomplice injured him)
Again sorry if this was discussed...
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edited b/c I didn't see the snacliff518 bit. I just read fed was changing his name.... now my earlier name change comment seems stupid. lol
reelylost Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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plato caught me
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Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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The "Marshal" as I understand had a piece of plane in his abdomen? Was that from the crash or did someone do that to him? (I know we are to assume it was the crash, but it may explain his "change" in attitude if he thought Kate or an accomplice injured him)
NICE IDEA!!! maybe he only believed "she" was dangerous because "she" put that metal in him. and that would explain why we dont see him badgering anyother woman besides Kate. Because his focus would be only on Kate UNTIL he has a reason not to focus on her. GREAT IDEA!
fedrich519 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Naughty, not sure if you are on the inside of the inside joke, let me pull you in. The sanitation worker thing is an old joke about Ada, she had to come back on the boards under a new name. Someone asked what she did for a living, she said "I am a Sanitation Supervisor from Omaha." Someone commented on my law enforcement knowledge and experience, I playfully said that I am a Sanitation Worker that works for PoorStranger.
Not sure if everyone understood the joke, just wanted to clear up confusion. Of course, there might not be any confusion and I am just going on like a moron.
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the envelope that Kate got out of the briefcase, which contained the blue envelope that held the plane, said "Personal Effects" - not just "personal". So, the belongings of someone who had died. fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
ME- it could be, but I was under the impression that when someone was taken into custody the belongings they had on them were taken as well and put in a bag/box and labeled in some way. I think we are correct to not assume the plane was in the safe deposit box. It could have been, but it is not clear. I just don't think it is clear the toy plane was found on someone who died.
OneisLost Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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The "Marshal" as I understand had a piece of plane in his abdomen? Was that from the crash or did someone do that to him? (I know we are to assume it was the crash, but it may explain his "change" in attitude if he thought Kate or an accomplice injured him)
Okay, interesting thought but, I think this is venturing into the realms of the incredulous. LOL It's very unlikely someone, including Kate, would go to all that trouble when there are many other, easier, ways of taking him out.
cac, I can definately see her with Marshall. She is the type to gravitate to more mature man. Of the two, Jack seems to be the more mature and I think he's the one she would rather hook up with. Sawyer is just for fun. ;0)
The quote about Marshall believing her story was spoken sarcastically. Like, yeah right.
lizpeppermint Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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The quote about Marshall believing her story was spoken sarcastically. Like, yeah right.
Thanks One! Like I said I never actucally saw the forst couple of episodes... just read the transcripts. I can't wait for the DVD set in September so I can catch up.
Okay, interesting thought but, I think this is venturing into the realms of the incredulous. LOL It's very unlikely someone, including Kate, would go to all that trouble when there are many other, easier, ways of taking him out.
I don't think anyone actually did this but I was thinking maybe the "Marshal" though this? Although if I had a chunck of metal sticking out of my abdomen after a chash I wouldn't think anyone did it...
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fedrich519 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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I never thought about the term "Personal Effects". The term "Personal Property" is more commonly used and a receipt accompanies the property, listing all of the items, even one item.
Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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it could be, but I was under the impression that when someone was taken into custody the belongings they had on them were taken as well and put in a bag/box and labeled in some way. I think we are correct to not assume the plane was in the safe deposit box.
This was the "fruitless" idea i was going to write before. maybe it's not as fruitless as i thought since i was wrong to assume that the term "personal effects" meant specifially those of the dead. I thought someone had made that connection, maybe i remember wrong.
And, i knew all the joke references, i just believed they belonged to other ppl than they did. Apparently it's working, the throwing people off part.
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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I think we are correct to not assume the plane was in the safe deposit box. It could have been, but it is not clear. I just don't think it is clear the toy plane was found on someone who died.
See, I like this kind of thinking, because it's the same kind of thinking that says that the "she" the "marshal" was referring to when he was telling Jack "she" is dangerous" might not have been Kate, but a different "she". Just as we can not assume the toy plane was in the blue envelope in the safety deposit box, just because it was in the blue envelope that was in the briefcase, we can't assume that Kate is the "she" the "marshal" was warning was dangerous.
Thanks, liz!
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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The quote about Marshall believing her story was spoken sarcastically. Like, yeah right.
Well, he said something like, "Yeah, maybe they'll believe your story. I sure did."
Yes, he said it sarcastically, but he also said HE believed her story too at one point.
One thing I have to say, I never got the impression he "hated" Kate, as someone mentioned earlier. Definitely some animosity - probably because he didn't like how tough she was to catch up with, and she had eluded him for so long.... but definitley not "hate".
cac120 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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A, if you're reading this, I want to tell you that we NEVER get tired of having you around. To the contrary, actually, we feel honoured when you visit and share some of your clues with us.
I've been thinking more about Kate and how she was very nervous while the Marshal was alive. She didn't want to let him see her because she was afraid he's point her out to Jack or someone else. I'm now back to thinking that she was a genuine prisoner, but I also think she is still doing some undercover work.
There were no other personal stuff of the Marshal, as Kate said there was, so the plane might have been his. It still doesn't make sense that the case of guns was under the seat in front of Kate. Knowing how skilled she is, I can't see him putting it anywhere she could reach it, although, it's unlikely she could pick the lock, so maybe he wasn't worried.
The plane had to have been in the safety deposit box. It was the same envelope, but more importantly, the plane obviously means more to Kate than anything. I can't see her robbing the bank for anything less.
Liz, you're right that the Marshal was the only one to be seriously injured, although plenty of people died and we don't know the condition of their bodies. Since the seats that presumably were right in front of them ended up in the lake, perhaps they were sitting where the plane broke apart and he was injured that way. As I've said before, I think all injuries occured at the time the plane broke apart in the air.
Fed, would Kate have been in leg irons as well? Did Sawyer have both the hand cuffs and the leg irons?
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Leg irons? Could have been Kate's. The regs specifically state a prisoner cannot be in leg irons during the flight-so maybe the marshal had to take them off for the flight. Great catch fed.
Personal effects vs. personal property? Effects is the word used by airlines, insurance co., etc. Could be another one of those subtleties.
Fed I'm gonna attach some fur lined cuffs to my trash bag for ya in the morning before I set out on my bus route.
Your observation answers my old question of how/when Sawyer got the cuffs from Jack-he didn't, they were different cuffs. Michael gave Jack the handcuffs after Walt found them.
I think Kate was a prisoner or a witness being brought in. I think the marshal was referring to her the whole time-dangerous and all. The marshal may not of been a marshal but he had to have been some kind of LEO.
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fedrich519 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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cac
No, aboard a commercial aircraft leg irons are not allowed to be used for safety reasons. In the case of an emergency, disembarking the plane would be very hindered in leg irons since your stride is only about six to eight inches. JPATS flights (again, think Con Air) is a different story.
Here is another piece of information to chew on. I could go on for days and days about the "Marshal". I have only scratched the surface on why I don't think he is a Marshal. Here is one more little tidbit. I have others. I have kept my mouth shut for a long time because people might figure out what I do, but I can't stay quiet.
If Kate's escort is truly a Deputy US Marshal transporting a prisoner, he would have a restraint case secured in the cargohold. A restraint case contains full hook ups to secure four people in hard ambulatory restraints. Yes, four full sets of restraints and yes, that includes four sets of leg irons. Maybe Sawyer found the case?
sdog, Kate would have looked fashionable in your set of cuffs!
I know I said I would say it one last time, but I will say it again.
I don't think he is a Marshal.
cac120 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Fed, do you think he's CIA, military intelligence, black ops, some sort of secret agent...? If you don't want to answer, that's what I think he is. And I think Kate is too.
fedrich519 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
I like the secret agent line of thinking. I can't really buy into the bounty hunter thing, gave that up a long time ago, too small time. I can see black ops. I can also see private security for some eccentric billionaire that Kate crossed paths with and betrayed or conned. Loads of money could easily grease the wheels for him to assume the identity of a US Marshal. Again, going back to what lots of us have been talking about, the familiarity between them is to weird. And "Maybe they'll believe your story..." doesn't really seem like the authorities, it seems like something bigger.
sdog, everyone.....want some homework on your regs that you dug up? There is something else really big in those regs that should send up an alarm as to the validity of the "Marshal". Something from the pilot episodes.
I could just come out and say it, but discussion is more fun.
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she_lost_colo Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Hi, all!
Fed - so much for being subtle about identities (yours and your boss) The san. dept will be contacting you in the morning (after your route) Can we call you sanwhat?
Glad I found this thread. Now I have to go find the other one to make sure I didn't miss anything.
And I almost disagreed with the case being in front of Kate because I thought you had figured out it was somewhere else, then I remembered the discussion right. So much info on this thread, it's hard to keep my poor little mind straight! lol
And I miss A's very subtle hints. Still cherishing an old one about hatches. Can't wait for more info on that.
Have fun! I'll be back.
Rainnedrop Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Hello..would anyone mind if I jumped in?? Forgive me if this has been brought up, but is it possible Kate is/was a double agent so-to-speak...perhaps the reason the she and the marshal seem so familiar w/ eachother? She was clearly able to pull the wool over the eyes of the gang in the bank. Does he feel betrayed? Did they have a relationship while working together? When she was
found out, cuffed, and taken back, did she believe she "killed" the marshall, although inadvertently?? Or am I just dumb! lol. just thoughts
fedrich519 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
Boone dies in the jungle during the season finale. It basically says that Ian was not happy with the screen time he was getting and asked the producers to leave the show. It also says they filmed several alternate cliffhanger endings for the season finale so everyone would be in the dark until it airs. At least that last part I believe, that is common in big shows to keep spoilers from leaking.
So I am guessing what A says about them being half right is that either it is Boone that dies or it is in the finale. Which one is right? I think Boone dies but not in the finale.
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Hmmmm... and you had to buy the whole magazine for that? Thanks! It is the NE - so we'll see!
And since when do you have a private line to A? (pouts in corner! lol) Oh, yeah, I forgot. Boss.
fedrich519 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Yeah, I had to buy a copy for wife to read! I don't think I have ever actually bought a copy. First time for everything!
sdogTSOL Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Dude-homework on the weekend-bummer man. Could ya lest give me a key-word to look for??? Is this gonna be on the test? Now I'm gonna hafta drink some coffee and stay up all night.
fedrich519 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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sdog..
Who did Kate have contact with while in the plane?
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fedrich519 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Gotta go into work!
Think of how many people she interacted with while in the plane.
I can think of five, one of those is the key.
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cac120 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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All I can think of are the Marshall and the flight attendant. I also remember the male flight attendant chasing Charlie. Could he be a sky marshal?
Did she make eye contact with any of the castaways? If so, they might remember that she was the prisoner.
cac120 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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I've been thinking about Locke again. I'm not sure whether the boar sacrifice fits into this, but I was looking for a religion in Tustin, CA that might have interested Locke. I found that there is a Christian Scientist church there. I also looked at Scientology, but this one seems to fit better with many of the things we've been discussing: cult-like belief, alternative medicine, clairvoiance, telepathy. Most importantly, it links health with spirituality and healing with enlightenment.
First a little history of the founder, Mary Baker Eddy:
Mrs. Eddy was chronically sick growing up, with many ailments including paralysis, hysteria, seizures and convulsions. At 22 ... she began to be involved in mesmerism (hypnosis) and the occult practices of spiritualism and clairvoyance. ... she met mental healer Phineas P. Quimby (1802-1866), whose influence would shape her belief of Christian Science. Quimby believed that illness and disease could be cured through positive thoughts and healthy attitudes, by changing one's beliefs about the illness. She claimed that Quimby cured her; she suddenly improved, but later the symptoms returned. ...
Healing became a major distinctive of Christian Science. According to Eddy Baker, the central fact of the Bible is the superiority of spiritual over physical power. The spiritual superiority is evident in other ways than healing. Telepathy is practiced in Christian Science treatment, and may be considered a form of psychic healing. Christian Science claims to prove through the healing of disease and other difficulties that the understanding of God and his spiritual creation is as effective now as it was in Jesus' time. Its adherents, therefore, rely on "divine law" in times of sickness instead of resorting to medical and other material means. Christian Scientists do not use doctors, medicine, or immunizations. Christian Science Practitioners are used to " help people through the false reality of illness." Instead, proper prayer and training are employed to battle the "non-reality" of illness.
http://www.raptureready.us/science.htm
And now the basic beliefs from the World Book Encyclopedia:
Christian Science is based on the teaching that God is wholly good and all-powerful, the basis of all true being. In this teaching, reality refers to everything derived from God, eternal and spiritual. Whatever is unlike God--including evil, sickness, and injustice--reflects a distorted human sense of reality that has no true foundation. Through prayer and by learning more about God, people can begin to see and increasingly experience the divine reality, not just as a future hope but as a present spiritual power in their lives.
Christian Scientists view healing as an awakening to this reality. To understand truth means not to ignore evil and sickness, but to wipe them out through prayer and spiritual understanding. They teach that this message is essentially the message of Jesus. No church dogma (belief) or penalty enforces reliance on prayer for healing, but it is a natural part of their way of life.
So, what do you think? Is this a posibility?
Ceirdwyn Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Hmm.... not sure.... we're talking pre-crash Locke here, don't we?
Would someone with such strong beliefs go on a Walkabout I always thought for some reason that he hoped getting the use of his legs back on that one.... or at least to get a new direction in his life.... wouldn't he rather rely on his own religion for that?
The parallels are intersting though
cac120 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Ceird, those are exactly the same questions I had, but I also thought the parallels were too numerous to completely disregard.
I hadn't thought about Locke expecting to get his legs back on the Walkabout, but it does make sense. Again it goes along with the Christian Science belief that faith heals.
I wasn't able to find out how prominent the Christian Science church is in Tustin, but it's a relatively small sect so I would think it would be reasonably well-known wherever it is organized. I was thinking that an awareness of this sort of alternate belief might have led him to explore other forms of spirituality.
Whatever sprituality Locke had before the island, I think he now worships the island itself and the Monster God.
Songline Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Wow, new home, lots of new ideas!
Since a Locke ep is coming up, last night we watched Walkabout again. My husband noticed something in Locke's room, and I can't find it mentioned in my brief search of these threads.
There is a geiger counter on the table in Locke's room. He is 100% sure that's what it is, it's the same type he used in the military while stationed overseas.
It was used to find areas or people contaminated with radiation, or places used to store radioactive material that are leaking. He said there is no hobby he knows that would use one, nor would an accident make it's use necessary.
He's a pretty smart guy, and doesn't theorize much, but in this case he says that he is now convinced of his Locke theory. Because of Locke's jungle knowledge (boar, tracking, etc) he thinks Locke has been in Central America, Panama, the Phillipines, or someplace similar in some kind of military assignment. His guess is the paramilitary branch of the CIA - one reason being the fact that Locke's employment files have no mention of military service.
He also said if Locke was injured on the job, the pension would be a good one. It would have to be, if he can afford $89.95 an hour to talk to Helen. They must talk often, if Locke thinks she knows him better than anyone else. Adds up fast.
Added note: I found some other reasons for Geiger counters. There is a ghost hunting organization in CA who uses them as part of their operation. They have a listing for Tustin-
Tustin - Mitchell - Apparition of a lady in white and a ghost of a little boy that throws marbles.
Or, Locke could just be someone who doesn't trust the government and wants to be sure what the radioactivity measures where he is located.
I don't like either of these explanations, because to me Locke is intelligent, reasonable, capable, dependable, and funny. A wayward Boy Scout. Don't forget that orange slice!
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I miss the lovely clues and ideas that used to be showered down on us from above. Where are you, A? We miss you and your purple wisdom. Still sending my prayers and best wishes for your recovery...
I didn't want to mix some misc. thoughts with the Locke post, so here they are:
cac: I found a lot of websites connecting Tustin with religion, looking glasses, etc., but nothing that I felt was important enough to mention. There is a Looking Glass Counseling Center in Tustin.
Kate and the so-called Marshal: They are way too familiar with one another to not have some kind of long-standing relationship. I agree with those who said he is too "icky" to be someone she loves, I'm leaning toward maybe foster brother. It's possible that Kate's father (the one she talked about) was a foster parent who favored her in some way, causing the biological son to become angry. That leaves a lot of holes, I know, but it might spark an idea in one of you that makes more sense.
Fed: Thanks for the notes on the restraints and the "marshal". Are you saying Kate had two different kind of restraints on, or that there WERE two prisoners? I'm really curious to hear the answer to your clues, too. The sanitation worker stuff is really funny.
Sdog: Did you stay up all night drinking coffee and doing your homework?
Whoever said that Sayid might have been on the plane because of the terrorist ring breakup (some kind of protected witness or something), I agree with that. The headline of the paper in Christian Shepherd's room said (IMO) Arrests disrupt terrorist plotting.
There are still so many gaps in the flashbacks, such as what happened between Kate's bank stunt and the flight, and there is still so much to learn about all of them. Sawyer intrigues me because, while I don't normally like people who act like he does, he seems to be working overtime to cover his softer side. I like his sense of humor, too. There is a lot of humor in this show that I often see more clearly on second viewing. Looking too hard for clues, I guess.
Ok, I will stop mumbling now. Looking forward to hearing everyone's ideas.
My favorite quote of the moment:
Tell you what-right now, I'd like to put some handcuffs on these writers so as we can see both hands (left and right) at all times. Sdog
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pysk_ Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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This is way late in discussion, but I"m almost 100% sure that ada or plato or someone? said Danielle hung the dead boar up as a warning. It was directly on the path to her old place, that she had set up with the explosion. When we can talk to plato again we could ask, but like I said, I'm almost 100% sure.
fedrich519 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
Song, I am saying that we saw a set of handcuffs and a set of leg irons. Does that mean two prisoners? Not necessarily, read my earlier post about the restraint case and the contents.
OK, Kate interacted with a total of five people on the plane. The "Marshal" and the stewardess were the first two. She interacted with two other castaways and the final person for a total of five. That last person is a big one if you go back to sdog's FAA regs from the Episode Titles Part 2 thread. I think sdog quoted the FAA regs somewhere between page 56 and 59. Once you figure out who the mystery person is, go look at the regs and you will see what I am talking about. Think about the interaction Kate had with this person when you read the regs and it just will not seem right.
I have been working all night and am going to bed. I'll check back in this afternoon. Have fun.
Songline Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Ok, Fed, I'm stumped. I read the transcripts of the Pilot episodes, plus Kate's two episodes. The only people I see her interacting with on the plane are the so-called Marshal and the flight attendant. What you are referring to must be in one of the other episodes, or I somehow missed those interactions. I don't have time to read all the other transcripts, since I can only stop in once or twice an hour to check for A updates and this thread.
I did read sdog's post again, from page 57, but couldn't find anything relevant. I keep telling you guys, I'm not the smart one here! I'm just hanging on for the ride with all the brilliant minds. Either I need more of a hint, maybe the episode title, or someone smarter needs to run with this one. It's fun, though! Thanks
gbluth89 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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At the beginning of this thread cac120 said that someone is probably being poisoned by a woman. I bet Sun is poisoning someone. She has her herbs and stuff, who knows what those are able to do. Also, back in Whatever the Case May Be she was having a conversation with Jack.
It is as follows:
[Shot of Sun with some plants in the caves. Jack comes up.]
Jack [pointing to one of her plants]
So, what is this? What is this for?
Sun
Says something in Korean. [Then puts her hands to her temples and makes like she's in pain.]
Jack
A headache? [Sun nods] Oh, cool, alright.
Now you would automatically assume that the plant is used to cure headaches, but what if she is really poisoning Sawyer with it for some reason? The problem is though, that Sun really has no reason for poisoning anyone.
Ceirdwyn Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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cac: I was almost sure you've thought of that but figured I'd say it anyway..... maybe it's because I never got any spiritual vibes from what we saw of locke pre-island.... searching for something, maybe, but not necessarily/knowingly in a spiritual way..... have to agree that it changed on the island though.....
Where did you all get the idea from that it was him who hung the boar? It's interesting... never gave that a thought before I read it here. But I don't think I'd agree on that. While he surely does see the island as something spiritual, I can't see him making blood-sacrifices of any sort. Maybe it strikes me as a bit too irrational even for someone who thinks something/the island gave him something back he lost years ago and believes that he has to pay something back.
Songline: Must have missed that. Which table are you talking about?
Songline Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Ceirdwyn: When the camera backs up and shows Locke's room, there is a table with what looks like coffee, a sandwich (I think) and some other things on it. Not the table next to the bed, but the one across the room.
lizpeppermint Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Did we ever find out if there will be two deaths between now and the finale? Maybe A was saying the NE was only half right because they only predicted one death? or maybe the story of why the person is leaving is correct but the person is wrong? I have no idea... just throwing this out there...
and I'm bumping the thread
blissfullylost Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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I saw a promo last night for Lost, it was in a commercial
for ABC's Wed. night line up, it showed a promo for
Lost, Alias, and another show that comes on after Alias.
This promo started out showing Locke with a gun!! The
rest of the promo was the EXACT same one we saw after
last weeks rerun, the shot looked like Locke was on
the ground still from falling? Did ANYONE else see this?
The commercial was shown during Extreme Makeover Home
Edition??
Maybe that is where Kate's Marshal's gun went?? Locke
has it?
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lizpeppermint Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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bliss- I am interested to see where Locke got that gun? After the Ethan capture - did Jack collect all the guns again? They should be in the case and the key is around Jack's neck. So either it is a different gun (the "Marshal's" or one not accounted for yet) or it is from the case.
Hoping Locke didn't do anything to Jack to get the key for the case...
I guess we will find out on Wednesday!!! (very excited)
blissfullylost Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
I'm pretty sure Jack got all the guns from everyone
after the Ethan episode, he says something to the
effect that he got them all, except from Sawyer, and
Sawyer gives his back at the end of the episode.
I'm wondering why he pulled it? Is he nervous about
the passengers in the plane that crashes? Does he pull
it on Boone?
annipadanni Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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well, for crying out loud...just when a person thinks she's about caught up.....
i logged in to catch up back on page 69 of part 2. saw it went to 74...i was excited when i got to 74...only to realize that i had 6 pages on part 3!!!!! an hour and a half later...here i am.
nice to see you all. looks like you were all busy reanalyzing over the weekend. good stuff on kate/"marshall".
where are Ada and Plato? we miss you. i miss you. please come back and play with us. i hope you are both well!
naughty...i'm 31, mom of 4 boys, live in TEXAS! hey fed...looks like we're neighbors. was that you that woke me up this morning banging the dumpster in the alley? please practice doing that more quietly...i would appreciate it greatly.
cac120 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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I've been thinking that the boar was some sort of sacrificial offering to the monster, as the sow's head was in LOTF. At first I thought the Others hung it there because of its association with the trees and the shots that looked like the shots we saw of the hanging Charlie. Then I thought Locke did it as an offering of thanks for the use of his legs. It would also explain why he stopped hunting boar.
I'm having a hard time believing it's a warning from Danielle because of Hurley's reaction. He didn't seem frightened by it. He seemed to just think it was an odd thing for anyone to do. There was no meat cut from it, and if it were simply a warning from Danielle, there would be no reason not to have a meal from it as well.
Song, I was looking up Tustin to see if there was anything that might give us some insight into Locke, but I think I'm just grasping at straws and confusing myself more.
Liz, Jack did collect all the guns and I don't think he'd give one to Locke without a good reason. The Canadian TV Guide article about Hurley says that the drug plane is abandoned when Boone finds it, so I guess that means we won't see the pilot this week. Since it's a drug plane, it's likely to have a gun or two on it. Maybe that's where Locke gets it from.
Songline Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Song, I was looking up Tustin to see if there was anything that might give us some insight into Locke, but I think I'm just grasping at straws and confusing myself more.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
I've been doing the same thing, for more than a week now. I agree with you.
Moving on...Did you see Fed's clue, and can you make anything of it?
Also, what did you think of Locke and the Geiger counter?
Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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MAJOR QUESTION:
has anyone confirmed that the person who dies will never return? as if they didnt really die, and later come back in the next season?
cac120 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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I'm currently working on Fed's clue and wishing I had the episode taped.
I don't know what to make of the Geiger counter. He might have it because he lived near a military base and didn't trust the government, as you said. How old is it? Could it be an artifact that belonged to his father?
The person who dies is not coming back. I've read this several times.
Songline Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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I don't know what to make of the Geiger counter. He might have it because he lived near a military base and didn't trust the government, as you said. How old is it? Could it be an artifact that belonged to his father?
My husband used what looks like the exact same model overseas in the military in the early 80's. That's all I know about it, besides what I wrote in my previous post.
One question is, if Locke is some kind of paranoid guy working for a box company, how could he afford Helen's calls? They obviously talk a lot, if he thinks Helen knows him better than anyone. There is still so much mystery here.
Also, a thought about Exodus:
The writers have said we're going back to the beginning, the flight and the crash. So, this is an Exodus from Down Under, where a lot of the characters have been going through some of the worst experiences of their lives--the things in their lives that enslaved them.
That's my guess, for what it's worth.
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annipadanni Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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i've read 13 pages this morning and i guess i missed something. what was fed's clue? and what about the gieger counter? can someone please redirct me?fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
thanks
Naughty_Paws Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Can anyone tell me if somewhere on this site is a thread dedicated to "you know youre lost when..."?
I know some of the other MBs have some good ones and i was just wondering.
Songline Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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anni - I posted about Locke and the Geiger counter on page 6. On the same page, you will find a post from Fed about Kate and some cryptic clues about something we are missing. I wish I had time to go back and watch all the episodes to figure it out!
Songline Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Can anyone tell me how to find a post that's missing?
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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There is a geiger counter on the table in Locke's room. He is 100% sure that's what it is, it's the same type he used in the military while stationed overseas
Song, it's definitely not a geiger counter - it's an electromedicine pain control machine. I figured it out a number of months ago when it was questioned on the Black Rock thread. You can make out the company name on it... which is Hako-med. I even found the company's website... http://www.electromedicine.com/
Locke must have used the electromedicine device to control pain, rather than using pan medication.
I haven't really caught up since I went to bed last night guys - just skimmed through, but after reading Song's post about the geiger counter, I had to post this response. Will finish catching up after I get home from work. : )
Oh, and song - to find a thread or post, do a "search" by clickng the "search" button on the top of the page. Though not sure what you mean by "missing".... as far as how missing it is, and why it's missing...
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Songline Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
Song, it's definitely not a geiger counter - it's an electrotherapy pain control machine. I figured it out a number of months ago when it was questioned on the Black Rock thread. You can make out the company name on it... which is something like Haake-med. I even found the company's website... which is something like www.electrotherapy.com (I'm at work, so don't have it handy, but something like that).
I'm not talking about the Hako-med pain machine, that is like a TENS unit, which is something I've used and am very familiar with. The Geiger counter is on the OTHER table, the one with the coffee and the sandwich, across the room. My husband was in the military and used exactly the same kind of Geiger counter for years in Germany. He is almost never wrong, which can be quite annoying to the rest of us.
While Locke is on the phone (RIGHT HAND), the camera casually spans the room, backing up to show the OTHER table. I think that's the left hand.
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cac120 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Fed, I still haven't figured out who the five people are. The transcripts only show the flight attentendant and the Marshal. My guess would be that she see's Charlie run by and maybe she exchanged a glance with Jack. The fifth, I don't know.
Here's her scene:
[Kate gives the magazine to Sayid and the gun to Sawyer.]
Sawyer (grabs Kate's arm)
I know your type.
Kate: I'm not so sure.
Sawyer: Yeah, I've been with girls like you.
Kate: Not girls exactly like me.
[Kate walks off to a flashback.
Shot of Kate on the plane.]
FA: Can I get you a refill?
Kate: No. I'm fine with this. Thank you.
FA: You sir, can I get you anything? Cocktail? Soda?
Marshal: Just coffee sweetheart, black.
FA (looking disgusted by the ?sweetheart?)
Coffee, sure.
Marshal: You look worried. I'd be worried, too, I was you. But you've got to stay positive, kiddo. You know, there's always that off chance that they'll believe your story. I know I sure did.
Kate: I don't care what you believe.
Marshal: Oh, I know that's true. That has always been true. You sure you don't want some more juice?
[Shot of Kate with hands cuffed. Then the turbulence starts to happen. FA's seatbelt announcement.]
Kate: I have one favor to ask.
Marshal: Really? This ought to be good!
[The big drop with woman hitting the ceiling. A big black/silver case hits the Marshal on the head. He passes out. The masks come down and Kate can't reach because of the handcuffs. She gets the key from the Marshal's pocket. Undoes the handcuffs. Puts her mask on and then puts a mask on the Marshal. The back of the plane rips off.][/i[
The FAA regulations say that the airline must not give the prisoner food or beverage without the Marshal's permission. The FA asks Kate first if she'd like a refill. She should have asked the Marshal if Kate would like a refill. She also offers the Marshal a cocktail, which is also against the rules. Maybe she already knows he's a jerk and would rather break the rule and ask Kate directly, or maybe the FA is the second law enforcement person.
That's all I've come up with so far. I might be able to borrow a friend's tape today, which would help immensely.
Song, to get a post back from George, all you have to do is post again.
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annipadanni Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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ok. i have all the episodes on dvd and i've gone back and watched kate's plane scenes twice. i cannot find where she has contact with anyone but "marshall" and flight attendant...
fed, do we see her interaction with these people in HER flashback? or do we see it in the background of someone elses?
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anni, check the ones where we see Charlie running through the plane. We probably get a reaction shot of Kate.
According to this map, there should also be another passenger to Kate's right. I don't rembember any interaction, but there might have been.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~arie777/lost/index.html
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annipadanni Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
cac...watching now. i watched jack/charlie/kate all three the 1st time. i am back on jack's....he is sitting in a section forward from the rear...so it was probably not him that she made eye contact with. there is a wall between his section and the rear (isn't that where we expect she is? per FAA regs?)
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Anyone wanna help me compile a list of each character and what we know they've been told "they can't" or "they'll never"?
Charlie was told he'd never take care of someone
Jack was told he wasn't good enough, or cut out to be a great DR
Locke was told he can't go on the trip
Shannon was told she is useless (and I believe that she said something relevant to boone in their FB, but I cant remember)
annipadanni Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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cac...just watched charlies...he is is the same section as jack...4 rows back on the aisle. locke is one row behind jack and across the aisle in the seat directly behind rose (who is directly across from jack) there is definitly a section behind a wall 1 seat behind charlie...i expect that is where kate/"marshall" are...still looking...
after he bumps into jack, he goes for a bathroom door...it is locked. he then goes all the way through another section...passes up the bathroom door there...he then goes into another section...but crosses the middle seat section, bumping into boone/shannon (who say 'excuse me!')
he then goes through the curtains into 1st class and into a bathroom there.
so that makes 5 sections to the plane...not counting the cockpit...am i right?
cac120 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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According to the seating chart, there are 6 sections, not including First Class, which isn't shown. Presumably this is because the First Class broke off with the cockpit.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~arie777/lost/index.html
cac120 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Naughty, you'll probably find more of those in the episode summaries. I'm not sure which episodes I put them in, though.
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i see the seating chart. it looks right with the exception of the very rear section. from all of my vantage points it would appear that the section behind the one charlie and jack are in is the last one. i am looking at a paused screen right now that shows charlie leaning out of his seat, looking back. there is another
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section of seats and then there are the FA's standing in a service area and behind them is a solid wall...no openings like between every other section...hmmmm why the discrepency?fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
Ceirdwyn Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Songline: Thanks. Noticed earlier that I gave the disc to a friend, so no chance of having a look.... I remember the table in the front and the one with the TENS-machine as well as the small one with the case and the army-pants in front of the sofa, but that's about it =/
What use would a geiger counter have for someone who doesn't need it for the job? Unless he's kinda paranoid re: the government as some people said..... for whatever reason..... or knows more than the average citizen lol
Regarding the boar as an offering of thanks.... Locke was already convinced that they had to give the island something back for whatever they got when he talked to Charlie.... while some people believe he didn't give anything back yet, I think he already did (dn't ask me what though lol)... and I guess that's exactly why he seems so desperate in the promo.... not understanding that apparently the island took back what it gave him although he already payed for it in some way........which of course, you're right, doesn't exclude another offering..... hmm... I think I let that boar alone for a while lol
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ok, i've watched and watched...slow motion over and over. here is my take on it...
whoever has the image of the plane on the link cac gave has some stuff wrong.
in the jack centric flash back i am almost sure i see jin's head behind locke a row or 2 and over a seat or two. i absolutely DO NOT see another section behind the one behind charlie... i assumed that the one behind charlie was kate's/'marshall' section...but upon CLOSE slow mo...i am almost certain i see jin again...ACROSS from kate one row behind. and kate is in the FIFTH from the back of her section...positive on this. i stopped and counted..no mistake (the seat chart shows 4th). that would put jin in a row behind kate and over in the middle section. what is weird is, i kept pausing and playing, pausing, playing to catch it differently...and right after kate puts the oxygen on the marshal...and WHY??? she puts on hers and then leans back and her eyes get really big and she stares straight at someone over in the middle section...stares with fear or recognition...or both...i got the feeling it was jin or locke by the position...
so, if ANYONE can help me out here and tell me if they see the same thing...i'd appreciate it.
also, when it shows the last section blow off and separate from the rest...this is where i see the best shot of who i think is jin...and i'm sure he is in the jack fb behind locke too.
that would make sense of my earlier comment about there not being 2 sections behind charlie...
charlie, jack, rose, locke, jin (i would assume sun), kate and 'marshal' all in the same section.
i am confused a bit though. i would have thought that jin/sun, successful, rich, etc. would have been in first class...but we know first class didn't make it (per shannon). i would then expect to see them in business class...but it sure does look like him way back in economy with the others.
if kate is a cia/whatever...was jin who she was following?
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also, who is Harold Wollstein? the person with the seating chart has him in 23C with jack. who is this person and how do we know of him?
Quantion Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
annipadanni: "there is another section of seats and then there are the FA's standing in a service area and behind them is a solid wall"
That's true but Kate is sitting in a section behind the one Charlie is in. And behind Kate there is another section, the tailsection that breaks off.
Also, there is a row number 13 that is missing on the seatplan.
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can i ask how you know for certain that kate is in a section behind charlie's? i have watched it at leat 8 times and i can't be so sure. i doesn't look like it to me...
not trying to be difficult here, just trying to make sense of it.
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mrsbuns Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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also, who is Harold Wollstein? the person with the seating chart has him in 23C with jack. who is this person and how do we know of him?
Rose's husband??
Quantion Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Do you mean something like:
Jin 27E or F
Kate 26J
Marshall 26H
?
Harold Wollstein is someone Claire mentioned in the memorial.
northatrexton Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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That charts wrong, but you'll see the whole vantage in a few weeks.
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
Thanks so much, North!! Knowing that chart is wrong is very helpful.
Hi gang! Just got home and finally caught up! Whew!
anni wrote: got the feeling it was jin or locke by the position...
And as you said, Sun was most likely sitting next to Jine, so COULD have been either Jin OR Sun that Kate saw and reacted to with surprise, etc. (I'm still holding out for Sun to possibly be the "she").
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MEandthesea,
Of course the chart is wrong, it says so on the bottom of the page. It was only made to see if the survivors could be on rows 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42. The map will be replaced by a correct one when more 'plane flashbacks' have been aired.
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Remember that Sun was not supposed to be on the flight. So that could be a reason why Kate would be surprised to see her.
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Good point, Clueless! See, I think there's something more to Sun than meets the "eye". I'm glad someone else posted a bit ago saying that maybe Sun is the one poisoning someone. The same thought crossed my mind that when she gestured toward her head when Jack asked her what the plant was for, it appeared she was saying it meant that it cures headaches, while she COULD have meant that it causes headaches.
However, saying THAT much, I think it's more likely that she'll be the one to cure Sawyer's headaches with the plant, rather than causing them. Still, I'm thinking Sun might end up being the person who is not who she has seemed to be.
Songline said: My husband was in the military and used exactly the same kind of Geiger counter for years in Germany. He is almost never wrong, which can be quite annoying to the rest of us.
Well then, Song... I stand corrected. My utmost apologies.
So, if it's a geiger counter that detects/measures radiation or radioactive waste that's leaked, then maybe it has something to do with the Tustin Marine Air Station that was shut down because of toxic contamination, etc. Maybe Locke was exposed at one point and is now paranoid about being in a radioactive area.
Also, remember that Sun's father was twisting the arm of the Secretary of Environmental Protection in order to keep his factories open. Might be a tie there - if Sun's father was also won contracts to building military vehicles... and was dumping waste.
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
Of course the chart is wrong, it says so on the bottom of the page. It was only made to see if the survivors could be on rows 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42. The map will be replaced by a correct one when more 'plane flashbacks' have been aired.
Ok then Quantion, you're in agreement. Wonderful!
I do have to say though... you sounded so sure in your statements to anni about the seating, that it sounded like you thought the chart was accurate... so even though it "says so on the bottom" of the webpage, I still think it was very helpful for it to be posted here that the chart is not accurate. So, again, I appreciated that North posted that info.
berbujas2001 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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But who would Sun be poisoning? I agree that she is the most likely candidate, with her knowledge of herbs and plants. Hurley has been having intestinal issues, but why would she be poisoning him? Sawyer's got the headaches, Locke's going to be having difficulties....anyone else?
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But who would Sun be poisoning? I agree that she is the most likely candidate, with her knowledge of herbs and plants.
Not sure... but if she IS the one who is poisoning someone, then she would have to have another side, and motive, that we're completely unaware of. Someone presents a threat to her that we're not aware of, etc.
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That's what I meant Me....was trying to figure out who she might be poisoning, based on her past interactions, and by who is not feeling so hot. We don't know who's being poisoned, right?
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Is there no row 13 on planes like there's no floor 13 in buildings and no room 13 in buildings? In the hotels i stay at, even on the 5th floor, there is no 513. I think it's really dumb, but i guess the rest of the world doesn't.fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
fedrich519 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Another clue?
I said "on the plane", never said if the plane was in the air or on the island. She interacted with a very important character in one of the first two pilot episodes.
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MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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That's what I meant Me....was trying to figure out who she might be poisoning, based on her past interactions, and by who is not feeling so hot. We don't know who's being poisoned, right?
berb, I knew exactly what you meant... I've been trying to figure it out too. I was agreeing with you, and thinking out loud, asking questions out loud, in an attempt to figure it out too... just as you are doing. We're on the same page here.
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One person Kate interacted with in the pilot is the pilot himself.
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lol phew Me. The obvious choice would be Jin, for not trying to work things out with her and because she thought that he was an "enforcer" for her father. I think in Jin's case, though, that he needs to work on understanding himself before he can even try to salvage his marriage. I was confused at first, when he turned away from her and said it was too late, then realized that he meant it was too late for the old Jin. After his eppy, I began to like him more and more. I think he's trying to help with the raft to get back to his humble beginnings.
beagle2424 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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if someone is being poisoned , how is the poison being ingested? or how is the poisoner poiseoning the poisonee?Sun has her herbs , but it does not appear she has given anything to anyone except Shannon - Jin and his sushi could be a possibility or Jack since he has all the drugs . Other than tose 3 , who else is administering anything to someone else ?
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Rain, also Jack and Charlie. I don't have any of the epi's taped(shame on me, I know) so I can't go back and check to see if that part is what Fed's talking about.
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Berb... interesting thought. Jin would be the most obvious, but in giving it a lot of thought, I don't think Sun would have as much motive to poison Jin. I have a feeling if it is Sun, as I mentioned earlier, then it has to do with a side to her we're completely unaware of.
If Kate looked at Sun on the plane the way anni described, in complete surprise, then it's because Kate knows something pretty big about Sun and/or Jin.. though I'm really leaning toward Sun. This COULD confirm my thought that the "she" might not be Kate, but Sun. And Kate is getting all close to Sun, so if Kate IS an undercover op, then she might be getting chummy with Sun to investigate her. If Sun is aware of who Kate is, it would be motive to poison Kate.
Anni and I were chatting and anni, very astutely, reminded me, "how sun eavesdropped in on jack and kate about the guns". This is another "left hand" piece... and really supports the theory. Imagine all the conversations Sun evesdropped on while everyone thought she couldn't understand or speak English (which could actually make HER the target, if someone else was doing the poisoning).
So, Sun could be the one poisoning someone, and Kate could be the target... at least a possibilty.
Rainnedrop Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Yes, also the flight attendant (but i think that has already been mentioned). Shannon in the pilot also.
CluelessLost Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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If Kate had been a prisoner being escorted. The pilot would have recognized her. Because the regs state that the aircraft operator must be notified and given the identity of the prisoner.
Fed-Am I right?
fedrich519 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Yes! Raine figured it out! Good job!
Anyone remember sdog's FAA regs that she quoted back in part 2 of the Episodes thread?
After we were privy to Kate's past the scene with the pilot bothered me a lot. Early in the season when I watched the show I just chalked it up to creative license. Being familiar with a profession can make movies and TV frustrating to watch when the writers are not aiming at realism but rather a good story. Now that we are close to the end of the season we all know that the writers pay attention to every detail and nothing is overlooked.
What doesn't make sense about that scene?
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the pilot does not recognize her when they go back for the transceiver
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Clueless wins the grand prize!!! Woohoo!!
You are 100% right!
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clueless...good thought. Here's a question (since I too don't have a tape) did the pilot actually look at her, because I remember Jack telling him not to move and he seemed pretty immobile. I don't remember if he made eye contact w/ her and i'm not sure if she said anything directly too him.
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By the way, from a post in Part 2, did anyone ever find a screen capture of the "blue poncho" guy? Would love to be able to take a look to see if I think it was a blooper or a plant.
New to posting here, but love to lurk. man, are you guys prolific! I go away for a day amd have 20 pages to catch up on!
annipadanni Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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That charts wrong, but you'll see the whole vantage in a few weeks
thank you North! glad to see you about today.
Do you mean something like:
Jin 27E or F
Kate 26J
Marshall 26H
Q...until we get verification on the maps...i'm not going to swear to anything.
i will say this, IF it was jin/sun sitting in the area kate looked at, then it may very well be sun that she is/was after. i just remembered something too, remember when kate was trying to tell jack about the guns? at the caves? at first, jack didn't want to talk to her and then kate says something like, common' you're the only one who knows about me...well, sun was listening. they didn't think she knew english at the time...but she did. i wonder if sun figured out who kate was and is poisoning her?
also, on that same note...jack wasn't the only one who knew about kate...so did hurley.
Another clue?
I said "on the plane", never said if the plane was in the air or on the island. She interacted with a very important character in one of the first two pilot episodes.
ok fed...charlie and jack and the pilot. THE PILOT! wouldn't he have known if there was a prisoner on the plane????? is that it?
fedrich519 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Raine, yes, the pilot looks right at her many times. There is a brief moment when Kate feels uncomfortable when he looks right at her. (At least that is what I read from her expression, I could be imagining it)
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Thanks!! But I have to credit Raine. If she hadn't mentioned the pilot, I would not have figured that out.
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Raine, yes, the pilot looks right at her many times. There is a brief moment when Kate feels uncomfortable when he looks right at her. (At least that is what I read from her expression, I could be imagining it)
OHHHHHHHHHHHH I'm LOVING this! TOTALLY supports my theory that Kate is NOT a prisoner and that the "she" the "marshal" was talking about is not Kate, but some other "she".
And when the "marshal" said "maybe they'll believe your story. I know I sure did", maybe he was talking about maybe whomever she's investigating will believe/buy her cover story... about being a criminal, or whatever her cover story is.
I DO think his attitude toward Kate (which I never perceived as "hate" nor badgering), could very well be simply the nature of a very familiar colleague relationship.... even a rivalry. He might be better at what she does than him, and he resents it, etc. So, to me it's not that odd - only an indication that they are more familiar than a marshal/prisoner relationship.
berbujas2001 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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I remember Sun eavesdropping on the Jack/Kate gun discussion too, and thinking that she seemed VERY interested. I like the idea of Kate being undercover, especially with Fed's posts.
And then this:
Marshal: You look worried. I'd be worried, too, I was you. But you've got to stay positive, kiddo. You know, there's always that off chance that they'll believe your story. I know I sure did.
Kate: I don't care what you believe.
Marshal: Oh, I know that's true. That has always been true. You sure you don't want some more juice?
Kate: Yeah, I'm sure.
[Shot of Kate with hands cuffed. Then the turbulence starts to happen. FA's seatbelt announcement.]
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What did he mean about it ALWAYS being true? That makes it sound like they've known each other for a long time, which supports someone else's(sorry don't remember whose) about them knowing each other. I'm beginning to believe that the "marshal" is the man Kate was referring to about "the man she loved, the man she killed".fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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What did he mean about it ALWAYS being true? That makes it sound like they've known each other for a long time, which supports someone else's(sorry don't remember whose) about them knowing each other.
berb, I have felt that for a while, but I think most of us on this thread have agreed on that theory and have felt the same way, so I can't take credit.
However, read my post right before yours, which appears at the bottom of the previous page. It shares more theory about this.
Rainnedrop Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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My post was eaten! Thanks clueless for the credit....just a tiny contribution to a brilliant board w/ even more brilliant minds.
I also brought up the fact that Kate's alias are interesting (annie at farm, maggie and ms. ryan at bank) she also mentions that she is a photographer (to the manager) and there is an annie ryan photographer..interesting.
annipadanni Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Here's a question (since I too don't have a tape) did the pilot actually look at her, because I remember Jack telling him not to move and he seemed pretty immobile. I don't remember if he made eye contact w/ her and i'm not sure if she said anything directly too him.
actually, having watched it a few times today he does move. when they hear the "monster" he moves closer to the window to look out...and get's snatched!
also, does it mean anything that hurley also knows about kate? and what about if kate's "marshall" (who isn't a marshall at all) was being paid by sun's father to get her? i mean, we know how he likes to "deliver messages", right? if she had infilterated his company as an agent looking for corruption and been found out...she ran...was in hiding...and they sent someone to find her...could that be the "they".
something else that i saw today in rewatching, ray says to her "i saw your picture in the post office, i guess they figured you'd be down here"...the obvious thought is FBI most wanted...right. But maybe not. maybe a flier/wanted poster from sun's father?
there had been some talk of jin not being just a waiter too. for a while it was that he too, was an agent who got close to "get inside" the company. what if kate looked over and saw jin? and recognized him as a fellow secret agent? that would be good reason not to out themselves on the island...pretend not to know one another, right? maybe that is why she is trying to get close to sun, to see what she knows?
MEandthesea Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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Hmmmmmm... lots of ideas there, anni. I'll have to give them some thought. Not sure how I feel/what I think about them... but certainly could be possibilities.
I kind of feel like we've seen Jin's "other side", so to speak... the side we didn't see at first... so I'm not sure if i feel the same about the idea of him being a double agent or something (cac's idea originally, I think... which I thought was very good at the time. but now that we saw his second back story episode, don't feel it's quite as likely - though not ruling it out).
lots to think about though! thanks for sharing your ideas.
fedrich519 Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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OK, here is the lowdown with the Pilot (the operator of the plane, not the first episode. LOL)
The Pilot is very, very much aware that a prisoner is being escorted on his plane. The prisoner and escort are required to give advance notice of at least 24 hours, advance notice in my experience is usually days, the shortest notice I have ever seen is 48 hours.
Pilot's are generally not happy when a prisoner is being escorted, especially in the post 9/11 world. Pilot's will try to find any reason to bump an escort and put the problem off on someone else, ESPECIALLY on an international flight.
The pilot is briefed on who the prisoner is, the nature and severity of his/her crimes, how dangerous the prisoner is (violence, escape history, etc.) where he/she is seated, the level of restraints (yes, there are levels), what agency is escorting, and the identity of the LEO. Prior to the other passengers embarking, the pilot usually will check on the prisoner to make sure he/she has been properly searched, is seated correctly and not in too high a level of restraints to compromise safety (back to sdog's FAA regs).
All that being said, don't you think the pilot would remember Kate? I will gladly concede that he had suffered a major head trauma and was in shock, but he seemed pretty coherent when telling Jack about the crash and the transceiver. Also, he kept telling Jack "No, it's all right, I'm OK" when Jack kept telling him not to move.
Anyone out there still think he was a Marshal?
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I think you may be right about another "she", rather than Kate. I hate not having taped the epis A thought about the scene between Kate and the marshal, before he dies. I don't think he'd try to kill a prisoner that he was escorting back to the US. That seemed more of a personal thing. If she were really a prisoner, wouldn't he have made more of an effort to let someone know that she needed to be watched, or whatever? Sorry if my posts, ramble, sometimes I have a hard time getting my point across lol.
Rainnedrop Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
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i remember the "marshal" saying that jack shouldn't believe anything "she" does, says, etc. and then he says, "she's got to you to huh" at this point if the "she" is possibly Sun, did Jack have much interaction with her yet? I can't remember (sorry!)
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fed, buddy... I don't think ANY of us think the "marshal" was really a "marshal" anymore. I don't think most of us regulars on this thread have thought so for at least the past few days... some of us haven't thought so for even longer. So, you've proven your case... and helped confirm it for those who didn't need any convincing. You done good!fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>
i remember the "marshal" saying that jack shouldn't believe anything "she" does, says, etc. and then he says, "she's got to you to huh" at this point if the "she" is possibly Sun, did Jack have much interaction with her yet? I can't remember (sorry!)
But at that point, the "marshal" wouldn't know how much interaction Jack had with Kate either. When Jack didn't seem concerned about anyone being dangerous (Jack thinking the "marshal" was talking about Kate, but he was probably really talking about another "she"), he might have assumed the "she" got to Jack already.
Sun comes off as very sweet, so I'm sure if the "marshal" was talking about Sun, I can understand why the he would think it would be easy for her to "get to" someone... snow them... decieve them.
sdogTSOL Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 3
Posted: Mar 28, 2005 03:11 PM
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Holy writers in handcuffs batman-you people have been busy! New faces-cool!
Song;
Sdog: Did you stay up all night drinking coffee and doing your homework?
Oh man, hey, fed, dude, dog ate my Pilot tape so I couldn't do my homework. I'll call Rain and Clueless and see if I can copy theirs.
Song, great catch on the G counter-wish I had some tapes. Tustin is close to Nevada border. Anyone know how close Yucca Mountain is?? BTW did you know Yucca is/will be surrounded by 20 giant magnets?
Bliss:
This promo started out showing Locke with a gun!!Any more sightings of this?
Cac:
Song, I was looking up Tustin to see if there was anything that might give us some insight into Locke, but I think I'm just grasping at straws and confusing myself more.
Tustin-home of one of world's largest wooden buildings-a blimp hanger. Blimps were used to spot subs after Pearl Harbor. Also L-8 was first blimp to land there. It was known as the ghost Ship because crashed and two pilots disappeared. It was coming
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