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I personaly think the tesseract is a red herring. But not ruling it out since it is a fun theory to kick around.
THe JApanese rail was a milestone for science utilizing magnets and the science surrounding a magnet.. look at some of the experiments that led towards its developmnt:
By the 1930s, Germany's Hermann Kemper was developing a concept and demonstrating the use of magnetic fields to combine the advantages of trains and airplanes. In 1968, Americans James R. Powell and Gordon T. Danby were granted a patent on their design for a magnetic levitation train.
I was just starting to dive into this tesseract theory, magnetism, etc.. but I could see my myself spinning my wheels. OUtside of the A Wrinkle in Time book, there just wasnt enough on LOST to go that deep.
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
I never bought into the whole tesseract theory... beyond the idea that whoever conducted experiments there maybe tried to create one, unsuccessfully. Sounds like that might be it... perhaps created a defective something or another that manipulated time a bit.
At least now we can focus on other things for a while...
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cac120Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
After catching up on your posts, and re-reading Plato's last post, I don't think I will keep posting from TTLG. I also found a website that has the White Knight text from the story:
I should have looked there first, could have saved a lot of typing! Had fun, though. A said that the Gnat and the White Knight related to Lost somehow, but as it's more of a framework and there is more to come in the show, I think I won't post the text here unless someone wants it. The link I included is identical to my copy of the book for chapter 8. I haven't checked, but I think the whole book may be online at that same website, although I only looked at the White Knight chapter.
If anything occurs to me as I watch the reruns or the new episodes that relates to the story, I will post my thoughts, for what they are worth. You should all get an award for your work in this thread, great work. I look forward to the next new episode!
SonglineRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Someone is not who they have seemed to be. Someone is going to die. There are secrets on this island that are NOT tied to the final island solution. They are personal secrets, and if you were watching, they have been giving you clues to them for some time. Try to go over the people and the situations from a fresh angle. Watch the individuals and what they are doing.
Anyone have any ideas on this part of the purple wisdom? It's great fun to have new clues.
cac120Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Here are all of Kristen's spoilers from tonight's chat:
From boolee: What's up with Kate, Jack and Sawyer? She has to be with Jack, right? Stand by for this Friday's column, which is going to be Q&A's with eight of the castmembers, video clips of the same eight plus JJ Abrams, and so much scoop you just might piddle. Honestly, I think it might be the juiciest column yet--and five pages! In the meantime, I can tell you that during the Paley Panel session, Josh said to Matthew: "You're going to get her in the end. We all knew that from day one."
From jen31cw: Which eight castmembers? All the ones who were at the Paley Festival (with, sadly, the exception of Harold Perrineau, who got pulled into the session right as he got to me on the line). They are: Dom Monaghan, Josh Holloway, Jorge Garcia, Ian Somerhalder, Yunjin Kim, Daniel Dae Kim, Matthew Fox and Naveen Andrews. If you are a Lost fan you must come back this Friday. Must, must.
From mnemosyne23: I've been having a week, if that helps. Oy! Can you clarify the Lost episode schedule for me? What the heck are they airing and when? I'm so confused! I blame the numbers--and you'll see why in Jorge Garcia's Q&A this week. Lost returns a week from Wed., Mar. 30.
From kinzie: Are Boone and Shannon gonna hook up again on Lost? I've heard no.
From aver: You're not going to spoil us about who dies on Lost, are you? Please don't. You have my word. For better or worse, I'm unable to on this one, because it is so worth the wait!
From charlie: I've had enough. Just tell us who dies on Lost. It would be the last thing I'd ever say about this show. All my sources would cut me off faster than chicken fat. But here's what I can say, which I think should settle your nerves a bit. At the Paley Festival, JJ Abrams said, "Jack was supposed to die in the second act, which Damon [Lindelof] and I thought was a great idea...and we still might do." He laughed. Matthew Fox laughed. JJ slapped Matthew's knee lightheartedly, and it was all good fun. The point? No one seemed to take it seriously. In my tube-stunted mind, that means Jack is safe. But we all know I've been wrong before. As you'll know for sure when it all goes down.
From brady: Are you saying you were wrong on the timing? I'm saying I've made a conscious effort (at a source's request...no, insistence) not to talk about when the death happens. I really want you all to be surprised, and based on what I've said describing how it happens, you might be able to figure it out. So, please, I am so very, very sorry, but my hands are tied on this one. I do know when it happens. I cannot say when. And you can direct your fan mail to tvdiva@eonline.com.
From mr_mike25: Are there two deaths in Lost? And who's right, you or Ausiello? I am not taking a stance on the timing of the stance. And remember, the only way I ever worded that was "I'm told that..."
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From sunnybiss77: On Lost, the spoilers currently point to Sawyer being the dead guy. Any insight? Interesting. Wanna know what else? Someone's poisoning someone.
From caryjane: Is Locke the one being poisoned? No.
From taki80: Didn't you say someone was going to be outed on Lost? Yes, but I'm not talking about sexuality here. Someone is outed, and it's très traumatic and shocking for many of the gang.
From quixoticleila: I can't believe people are giving you so much crap about not spilling the death on Lost! I mean that is a huge deal, and they just can't seem to grasp your position in the situation! Quixoticleila, me love you long time. For the others who might not know "my position in the situation" it's this: I get reliable scoop on Lost because I am friends with people who work on the show. They tell me things. They also, in cases of huge stuff like this death, specifically forbid me from revealing whom it is. If I spill, that link is cut off, and we are left miserable and scoopless, so, frankly, it's not worth it. On top of that, I truly think it's better if you don't know on massive shockers like this! So, I really am sorry if it annoys you, but I hope you guys can understand.
MaetrenaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Here's what we know about the upcoming backstories:
- Locke's Deus Ex Machina will tell us about his relationship with his dad and also why he was in a wheelchair.
- Jack's Do No Harm covers the time between the botched surgery and Jack's trip to Australia. Apparently Jack has a nervous breakdown in it. The guest star parts for the episode (tux store owner, minister..) also suggest that he was engaged and that the relationship ended.
- Sayid's episode is called the Greater Good, and Kate's episode is called Born to Run. We really don't know much about the FBs in those episodes yet; however, we do know that Sayid finds out who hit him over the head and sets out to kill someone for "the greater good." Also, part of Kate's FBs apparently take place in Iowa.
Questions we still need answered:
- Why was Jack's dad in Australia? - Why was Sawyer arrested? - Why is Locke paralyzed? Why can he walk all of a sudden? Why is he such a good survivalist? - How did Sayid manage to leave Iraq, why did he leave, and when did he leave? Where's Nadia? Why was Sayid in Australia and why was he going to LA? - Who did Kate kill? Why did she kill him?
At least those are the questions that I have so far, I'm sure that I'm missing the most important, but it's a start.
HankisBackRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Well, it does seem like Jack really hates his life; I think that he secretly envies Sawyer. However, I'm not sure that he's the one with the big secret; I think that it's Sayid. Perhaps, in order to get information about Nadia or to prevent her from being harmed, he was willing to steal, murder, help out terrorists, etc... Sayid doing something evil outside of the Republican Guard would be pretty shocking, because the writers have gone to great lengths to set him up as a pretty good guy.
cac120Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
In the Hearts & Minds thread, conversation has turned to Sayid and Kate. Some of you have seen this before, but I thought I'd bring it over here now that we're looking for who's outed. http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=56&threadID=192613
Song was able to make out the headline as "Arrests disrupt terrorist plotting"
This was mine, about Kate:
Terq & Ender, you were talking about Black Ops on the previous page. What about Kate? She took down and disarmed 3 men without killing them. She's obviously tracked people before. She's good at keeping secrets, lying and taking on new identities. She travels a lot. And the Marshall felt he needed FIVE guns to escort her on the plane and somehow he arranged to take one of them on the plane with him. Could he be an agent who was sent to apprehend a former coworker?
In H&M, Kate said she was going to Bali and was looking forward to exploring the island. Was this the truth? If so, it must be significant.
I feel like I should have a map on my wall with different coloured pins for each character's locations.
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MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Frankly, I think most of the castaways are not who they have seemed to be... always thought there was a lot more to Locke and Kate than seemed to be. And of course, more to Jack than appears on the surface. And we know how Jin wasn't quite who he we thought he was.
But if I were to narrow it down to who A. was referring to, if it were one person, I would say Sayid is not who he has been appearing to be.
Though again, seems to apply to much of them.
I guess the biggest shocker would be if Sun turned out to not be who she has seemed to be... since she has seemed the most sweet and peaceful and calm... and very under the radar. Hmmmmm.... do I see a left hand here?
MaetrenaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
I suppose that the titles suggest it might be Locke, but it's so hard to tell whether he's good or bad that it wouldn't be much of a surprise to us. She just says it surprises the characters, though.
What about the poisoning? I think that something's seeping out of the hatch. Locke is responsible, but Boone's the one doing the digging.
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Someone is not who they have seemed to be. I like that.... I think.... maybe I don't when I play with that thought a bit more but.... is not what (s)he seemed to be as in 'has never been' or as in 'used to be what we thought (s)he was but it has changed'? Am I making sense at all? =/
My "guess" is Jack. It surely seemed odd that he woke up quite far away from the rest, didn't it....
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annipadanniRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
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first, let me apologize for not thanking Plato and Lady A before now. i am not usually on when you post, so i catch the "new" clues only after pages have been written after each one!
but A, you have always been so very kind and generous with me, and i am so grateful to have you here with us sharing your wonderful insight and knowledge. you are a true teacher in many ways. Plato, what a nice treat to get to have you involved with us as well...i've enjoyed every moment and look forward with great anticipation each day for more! so, THANK YOU for the sunshine you both bring into our lives each day. I am thankful for A's progress in her health! JOY!
and onto lost...
THANK GOODNESSSSSS....we can finally put that tesseract stuff behind us for now. i cannot tell you how crazy all of that talk had me! i love ya cac, but no matter how hard i tried, i just couldn't buy into THAT being the "IT" of the show. i hope it continues not to be... (cringing and moving behind the bookshelf in case cac throws something...)
i am glad to be onto the personal aspect of the show again as well. i think that jack is a good contenter for who isn't what they seem. or kate. or sawyer. or walt. or jin. or sun. or claire. or charlie. or hurley. or micheal. or locke. or shannon. or boone. or sayid.
what about rose? i think that the new character coming on is bernard, he husband. the more i think of it, the more i'm placing my bets there. i know he is a white guy...but common, how much more impactful can the whole black/white theme get?
glad to see so many new posters on this thread, way back when cac first started this, i think there were only 3 or 4 of us...it has grown so big! i love all of your input.
i have begun to dream of lost. and i see references to it everywhere....in sunday night cold case two of the characters were at a bar playing "i never". hmmmmm.
keep it up!
OneisLostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2 Posted: Mar 22, 2005 10:33 AM
To me, the obvious solution to this would be Jack/Sawyer with the meds. Too obvious I think.
Locke/Boone with the hatch? or something in the goop?
Sun/Kate? some of the herbs or seeds?
Jin/Hurley with the fish/urchins?
What if it's not a physical poisoning though? What if it's a psychological poisoning?
Boone/Shannon, putting her down all the time Kate/Jack, lying all the time Sawyer/Jack, withholding info, taunting him about Kate Locke/anyone he comes in contact with, using various means Shannon/Boone, exploiting his feelings for her-still Jack/Sawyer, fear of infection from lack of drugs
Something to think about. Whose got more?
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needcaffeineRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
I'm stumped One. All your guesses are good ones. I can think of reasons why almost all of them could be poisoning someone. So far though - Locke, Jack, Kate & Sayid would be on the top of my list.
pysk_Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Hey guys, got a scoop. Furphy was in another thread, and since I was whining about no preview and no new pics, he kindly offered to answer yes or no to ONE question. Well, of course my first thought was, do we EVER get to see my man Locke without a shirt. BUT, I thought that would be a selfish question. So, I thought really hard and chose this one.
Are the whisperers real people living on the island with our survivors.
YES
Ok, he then went on to say, one of the 14 survivors is lying when they say they've never seen them.
OK take it away. I hope I chose a good question for us. I was pressed for time, since we never know how long he'll be on.
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Ada sends her best, and gives a big hug to Anni. She says "As a life-long fan of Bierce, Lovecraft, Verne, Wells, Hammett, Asimov, Bradbury, D.i.c.k, Card, and many more, I wouldn't have a problem if we wandered into that area, but the show isn't made that way, and I think the closer they stay to reality, the better the program will be. Every answer may ask you to believe that something that is rumoured or conjectured has at least been attempted and had a modicum of success --- Just enough to be dangerous if you will. One foot in science, and one foot in "what if", but the entire show has been based on that precept, from surviving the crash, to each character being in catharsis, to Walt --- or Michael --- or Claire --- or the whisperers --- or Black Rock. You see the pattern? One foot in reality, one in 'say what?!'. Are we still having fun?"
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It's nice to be back to people, I agree, although that last bit was really fun. It feels like I'm catching my breath, I didn't know I needed to.
Still loving the idea that there are hundreds of little puzzles, making up one big picture. I love that everyone works on pieces, and when we put them together sometimes we come up with a little bit of clarity.
Someone mentioned Bernard, I keep saying that I think he matters a lot in this show. He is the only character from the plane who was mentioned but hasn't been seen. I think he knows a lot.
Rose reminds me a lot of Mother Abigail from the Stand.
Pysk... I was LOL at the idea of you debating if you should ask the shirtless Locke question.
The Whisperers remind me of Mrs. Whatsit and those like her in the Wrinkle in Time. I still think that Alex could be a girl, and was taken by someone years ago?maybe he/she is in the same place all
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the other little kids from the plane went. Except Walt. I also think what Locke saw was a Whisperer. I don't have any evidence or even a clue why. I think it couldn't have been a monster, and an antenna wouldn't have given him that look of awe.
I don't know about the poisoning, but I agree with whoever said no one is what they seem to be. All the lost survivors are hiding secrets. I've wondered whether Kate was really some kind of agent or something. JJ seems to love strong female heroines, and the Buffy writers were great at writing them, too. I like her so much, I have to believe there is a lot more there than we can see. I guess I like them all and can't wait to see more backstories.
The Monster in TTLG could be the Jabberwocky, but later in the book, the Lion and the Unicorn call Alice Monster. I don't know what that means. Just mumbling again!
I need to go back and read this thread from the beginning, I think I need a refresher on everyone's great ideas.
OneisLostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
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oooh Pysk! That was a whopper! Most excellent question.
Locke is, once again, too obvious I think. Who's been in the jungle a-l-o-n-e?
Kate? Sawyer? Boone? Locke?x Jack? Charlie? Hurley? Claire? ding! ding! ding! ding! ding! Sayid? Jin? Haven't seen Sun or Shannon in the jungle alone have we? Michael? Walt?
I have this mental image of A sitting in a hospital bed, cackling madly while rubbing her hands together every time Plato or Furp send us clues. Machines going crazy, nurses and doctors running in to check on her. LOL I think SHE'S the puppetmaster. ;0)
CeirdwynRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Sayid... we've never seen what happened between the moment he got hit on the head and the point he came back.
Charlie's been away quite some time.... and I still have the feeling he'd changed when he came back... which of course might be the whole 'having been dead'-thing...
And I'm not sure about what happened to Boone either when he fell asleep recently without falling over.... found that weird.....
Not sure that the person changed on the island or if (s)he hasn't been the one (s)he claims from the very beginning =/
furphyRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
So Claire could be lying about not remembering anything? She has seen The Whisperers? I wonder why she would hide it?
I hope you don't mind me joining in? <G>
One other thing, Cac, I thought this was BRILLIANT!
"it's the failure that must be corrected."
That sounds like how all their lives before the island need to be corrected. Did the failure of the experiments affect the lives of these people outside the island? Apparently it did and that must be their connection to the island.
If they were able to manipulate time, even minutes, how did it change the losties lives before they arrived on the island? Does it have something to do with their fathers?
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I think Claire is a really good actress. We've been painted a pic of her as a victim. What if she's the instigator? She's the only character that we still have a 1 dimensional view of. She's the one that has more knowledge about the others than anyone yet, she can't remember? This to me is a red herring, scarlet even. ;0)
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pysk_Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
furphy....wow. Claire, huh? and didnt i read where you posted that something was going to get in the way of she and charlie getting closer? a lie maybe?
or something else...
oh, i also agree that cac is awesome for having started this thread, and i am in awe of how brilliant so many of you are in your insight and thoughts....ME is is the research queen!!!!
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
oh, i also agree that cac is awesome for having started this thread, and i am in awe of how brilliant so many of you are in your insight and thoughts....ME is is the research queen!!!!
Thanks, anni... you're a peach! But WHY do people keep saying that me and research? You all research and post as much research as I do, yes? I apprceciate the compliment, but can hardly take the crown on researching!
Seriously though - I agree that you all are brilliant.. it's been fabulous coming here and thinking with you all.
Now, yes... One... you're thoughts about Claire... good thought indeed! And psyk... the idea that whisperers rescued her and she promised to keep quiet about it - LOVE it!!
That would click with the Sayid quotes that A/Plato posted yesterday where Sayid questions how a woman as pregnant as Claire could have escapted. Do you think she maybe still has some sort of amnesia, but remembers being rescued, and is keeping quiet about that?
I had been thinking that maybe Sayid is not the person he seems to be... he seems to be one of the 14 who provides quite a bit of information, and maybe he lied about the length of time the transmission has been running. I was trying to figure it out last night, with the numbers A. had posted yesterday, and I'm not getting 16 years and 5 mos. If so, it could indicate maybe that Danielle was on the island a much shorter time, or much longer time. Then again, Sayid didn't him himself over the head to knock himself out that first time he was trying to pick up the signal.
The Claire idea sounds like a good possibility.
needcaffeineRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Oneis, you are closer than you think with that image. And your assumption.
Does sounds then like maybe it IS Claire who lied, or if "closer than you think"... then maybe it's Charlie who lied. I got the sense at the end of "All the Best Cowboys"... when Jack was talking to Charlie about what happened, that Charlie was lying when he said he didn't remember... as if he was afraid of what they'd do to Claire if he told.
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It does clear up a few things then if Claire is the one who is lying. She got away from Ethan (or whoever) somehow. Would have been hard for her to get away without any help. And she was headed back in the right direction of the camp when Locke and Boone found her in the jungle. Looked like she knew where she was going.
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Seriously though - I agree that you all are brilliant.. it's been fabulous coming here and thinking with you all.
ditto to all old & new.
My friend is also impressed with our brain power and thinks once we've solved the mystries of LOST we should turn our attention to cancer or world hunger. LOL She's convinced we can solve all the problems. :0)
I think Claire knows exactly what happened to her and is not telling.
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Good point, good point. Claire really IS a very good actress then, cuz she was acting SO freaked when she woke up in the cave and didn't seem to know anyone. Man, that girl's got a good set of lungs!
I think this could mean that the "someone lied" clue might be, or could be, separate from the "someone is not who they have seemed to be" clue. Might be the same, but could be different.
As far as the poisoning goes - did the clue say that someone was poisioning one person, or all of them? I was trying to think of who has been giving someone else food and drink (though, yes.. we know from how Locke drugged Boone that it could be absorbed through the skin... especialy a wound).
PlatosbrainRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Ada sends her love, and says you may need this as a refresher in getting to know Sawyer:
Pilot, Part 1 & 2
This guy was sitting in the back row of business class the whole flight. Never got up. Hands folded underneath a blanket. And for some reason, just pointing this out, the guy I saw next to him didn't make it.
You don't think I saw them pull you out of line before we boarded.
Oh great, let's trust this guy.
Shut up, lardo.
Whatever you say, doc. You're the hero.
I'm a complex guy, sweetheart.
Okay, wide open space. You should check the radio, see if we're good.
I'm not asking you to keep it on all day.
Just check the damn radio.
Probably bear village. How the hell would I know?
I got if off one of the bodies.
Yeah, one of the bodies.
They do if they're a U.S. Marshall, sweet cheeks. There was one on the plane.
I saw a guy lying there with an ankle holster so I took the gun. I thought it might come in handy. Guess what? I just shot a bear.
Because he had a clip on badge. (He holds it up). I took that too, thought it was cool.
You're as suspicious of me as I am of you.
Fine, I'm the criminal. You're the terrorist. We can all play a part. (To Shannon) Who you want to be?
I know your type.
Oh, now's a good time to check the radio. Not before, but now.
I'll tell you what would do that. This guy not fixing the radio. This thing doesn't even work.
What kind of transmission is it?
There's no transmission.
You speak French or not, because that would be nice.
Does anyone know what the hell he's talking about?
Don't forget to carry the 1, chief.
Or, she's not. You don't even speak French.
If someone came why is it still playing?
Tabla Rasa
I'm not stopping. You all have a nice cookout
Oooo, afraid the trees are going to get us?
Well, if you're so worried about me, how about you give me the clip back?
Okay. Really enjoyed the puppet show. Fantastic. But we're stuck in the middle of damn nowhere. How about we talk about that other thing --- You know that transmission Abdul picked up on his little radio? The French chick that said "They're all dead". The transmission's been on a loop for --- How long was it, Freckles?
Right. Let's talk about that.
You took my gun off me, boy?
Yeah, give it to Al Jerzeera, he'll protect us.
Jack enters the fuselage with a flashlight, looking for prescription bottles. Something moves, and flashlight reveals Sawyer. Sawyer: Boo. Jack: What are you doing in here? Sawyer: Trick or treat, same as you. Jack: You're looting. Sawyer: Aww, you say potato. . . Jack: What's in the bag? Sawyer: Booze, smokes, couple of Playboys. What's in yours? Jack: Medicine. Sawyer: Well, that about sums it up, don't it? Jack: Do you do this back home, too - steal from the dead? Sawyer: Brother, you've got wake up and smell the bull crap here, rescue ain't coming. You're just wasting your time. You're trying to save a guy who last time I checked had a piece of metal the size of my head sticking out of his bread basket. Let me ask you something? How many of those pills are you going to use to fix him up? Jack: As many as it takes. Sawyer: Yeah? How many you got? You're just not looking at the big picture, Doc. You're still back in civilization. Jack: Yeah? And where are you? Sawyer: Me? I'm in the wild.
Need a light? [He throws her the lighter] Came by to thank you. You going to ask what for?
For taking that gun away from me.
It's sticking out of your denims, ain't it? I sure wouldn't want to be the one with that gun right now. Because everyone sitting out there listening to that poor boy scream all night knows what's got to be done. Only one that can do it is the one with that gun. Don't act so surprised. I heard you tell the hero the same thing. Hell, there's only one bullet left - be damned near poetic.
What you couldn't. Look, I get where you're coming from being a doctor and all, but he wanted it. Hell, he asked me. So, I don't like it any more than you do, but something had to be done.
I was aiming for his heart.
So what is. . . I only had one bullet.
Walkabout
Right behind you, Jackass.
How about no.
Well if one of us wouldn't eat more than his fair share. . .
Hey don't patronize me, pork pie.
Stay out of this metro.
My own stash. I found it in there.
(Sawyer approaches Claire who is readying the fuselage memorial) Hey --- um, these were --- uh. I found these the other day when I was --- Alright --- just --- just take them. (Hands her many passenger wallets).
The mighty huntress returns. What's for dinner, hon. . .
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Light, comma, sticks. As in those legs of yours.
I made this birthday wish 4 years ago.
You really think I stole your damn water?
I don't give nothing to nobody
I traded Mr. Miyagi the last of my water for a fish he caught. We worked it out caveman style.
Water has no value, Freckles. It's gonna rain sooner or later. And hell, I'm an optimist.
So, how does it feel?
Taking my place at the top of everyone's most hated list. Sucks, don't it?
House of the Rising Sun
A little louder Omar. Maybe then she'll understand you.
Well, well, well --- if it ain't the belle of the ball? So, what's it like having both the doctor and Captain Falafel fighting over you? Just call em how I seem em, Freckles? Truth be told, I'm not the only one wondering where you're going to weigh in on this whole moving off the beach thing? Are you going with the pessimists, or staying here and waiting for the rescue boats?
Well, that's the real trick, isn't it? We all pack up stakes for the caves and the next day a plane passes by, they're going to go on their merry way and be none the wiser. On the other hand, stay here, get eaten by boars, fall off a rock --- not going to be anyone around to answer that 911 call.
The Moth
We are testy. Still upset about your little break up? You and Jacko?
Sorry sport, you just missed her. Her and Mohammad headed into the woods about 10 minutes ago.
The difference between us ain't that big, sweetheart. I guarantee you, if he had survived a few more weeks on this island you'd have figured that out.
Ah, damn. Didn't I tell you? Word from the valley is Saint Jack got himself buried in a cave-in.
Confidence Man
No, I whooped a thief cuz he was going through my stuff.
Which I had to move because everybody just wants to help themselves. Look, I don't know what kind of Commie-share-fest you're running over in cave town, but down here possession's 9 10ths. And a man's got a right to protect his property.
Why, you want to see who's taller?
You sure you want to make this your problem, doc?
Just trust me, there isn't any time to explain. I'm already late. I miss this meeting, the whole deal's a bust, alright? That's everything I have. 140,000 dollars. There's an oil mining operation in the Gulf of Mexico, drilling platforms. 300,000 dollars buys one share, but as soon as you invest a Government sponsored fund kicks in and triples your money in two weeks. Triples it.
I found an investor in Toronto, wants in 50/50. In two weeks we'll be splitting almost a million bucks. Jess, this is my chance.
Freckles, I got so many answers to that question, I wouldn't even know where to start.
You think you understand me?
Shut up. You want to know what kind of human being I am? Read it. Read it. Out loud.
Well, it's about time cowboy. Been telling you since day one, we're in the wild. Didn't think you had it in you.
Because business between friends is always a little sticky. I don't know you well, but I know your wife. Working with her at the auto dealership, I'm just not sure I'm comfortable.
That's it? That's all you got? Splinters? No wonder we kicked you *** in the Gulf. . . (screams)
No. Don't stop now. I think my sinuses are clearing. Pool guy: Tell me Sawyer, do you want to die? Cuz when a man walks in my place and tells me he left a 160,000 of my hard won dollars in the care of a civilian I've got to ask myself if what I'm hearing isn't the desperate cry for the sweet release of death. Sawyer: Deal closed today. See, women are easy. A few cosmos, a couple of stunts they haven't seen between the sheets, and they think the scam's their idea. Now husbands? They need to touch the money, smell it, believe that if they had the brass to put that suitcase in the trunk of their family sedan and speed away, they just might have a chance at being an honest-to-gosh outlaw. PG: Okay, Tex. You got your grift so pat, what'd you need my money for? Where's your seed from the last couple you roped? Sawyer: Well, what can I say? I like earning it as much as I like spending it. PG: Be that as it may, I know a thing or two about making people suffer. Now you have my money, plus 50%, by noon tomorrow or I'll tell you all about it.
Baby, I am tied to a tree in a jungle of mystery. I just got tortured by a damn spinal surgeon and a gen-U-ine I-raqi. Of course, I'm serious. You're just not seeing the big picture here, Freckles. You really going to let that girl suffocate because you can't bring yourself to give me one little kiss? Hell, it's only first base. Lucky for you, I ain't greedy.
The book washed up on shore, went in the drink with the rest of. . .
You've been waiting for this, haven't you? Now you get to be the hero again, cuz that's what you do, fix everything up all nice. Tell him to let go, Freckles. We already made out, what else I got to live for? Hey Jack, there's something you should know, if the tables were turned, I'd watch you die.
Alrighty. It looks like we're in the oil business
Deal's off.
It was his name. He was a confidence man. Romanced my momma to get to the money --- wiped them out clean --- left a mess behind. So I wrote that letter. I wrote it knowing one day I'd find him. But that ain't the sad part. When I was 19, I needed 6 grand to pay these guys off I was in trouble with. So I found a pretty lady with a dumb husband who had some money. And I got them to give it to me. How's that for a tragedy? I became the man I was hunting --- Became Sawyer. Don't you feel sorry for me. (Sawyer takes the letter from Kate). Get the hell out. Get out!
Solitary
Of course, what do you have to feel guilty about? I mean, you just let that damn Arab torture me. Stood by and watched. You figure you patch me up, buy you a ticket into heaven? Only reason you're here---
Doctor playing golf. Woo, boy howdy, now I've heard everything. What's next, cop eating a donut?
I thing I'll pass on that, Freckles. Not big on crowds. And let's face it, the crowds' not to hot on me, either.
Duly noted.
Raised by Another
Manifest is in the brown suitcase. Take it.
All the Best Cowyboys
Who got taken by what?
Ethan?
Took them why? And who the hell's Ethan?
Ever think he might have lied about his name?
Alrighty, Tattoo, where do you think Ethan came from?
You got yourself one hell of an imagination, kid.
So a tribe of evil natives planted a ringer in the camp to kidnap a pregnant girl and a reject from VH-1 has-beens. Yeah, fiendishly clever. And why am I getting the evening news from a 6 year old.
Okay, then it must be true.
Well, well, well. I don't know if you Islam's got a concept of karma, but I get the sense this island just served you up a heaping platter of cosmic payback.
Dr. Do-Right doesn't trust me with his antibiotics, so I have to hump it up here everyday just to get my meds. (Takes a knife from the table). You know, a less magnanimous man than I might just be thinking he could beat the ever-living-snot out of you right now and without fear of reprisal.
Sorry, fresh out of sweet forgiveness. If it wasn't your intention to return then why did you
The one who's been sending out a distress signal for 16 years? She's alive?
She alone?
Her people?
Right. And these others, who are. . .
Oh, she's never seen them, but she knows they're there.
Tide's coming up the beach. Plane hull's almost in the water. Kept your signal fire burning.
Stalking you? I was protecting you.
It's my knee. I'll tell you how bad it is. What the hell you doing out here anyway?
Yeah, well, you shouldn't be out here alone. Not after what happened. . .
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Oh, of course. (Mocking Kate): I don't need protection. I can take care of myself. Me Kate. Me throw rock
What? You smell blood on the wind?
I need to soak my sore knee. C'mon, Freckles. After all we've been through on this damn island, don't we deserve something good? What? You going to say no? You some sort of no-fun-navel-gazing-mopey type?
Yeah, I'm going to go check them out.
Hey, I got myself a wallet.
Wouldn't happen to have your key on you would you?
That case ain't yours, is it?
Not what it looks like. [Sawyer watches as Kate puts her pants back on]. Something you want to tell me about this little suitcase, Freckles?
Impact velocity. Physics, my ***. Alright. . . [He drops the case but it doesn't open.] Son of a *****, unbelievable. [Kate runs up and grabs the case.] Hey, hey, don't even think about it. Hey, damn it.
Hell, Freckles, I knew you wanted it. I just didn't know how bad. [Kate tries to head-butt him again.] Whoa-hoa, you're going to have to come up with a new move. [She head-butts him again.] Ow, god, okay, okay. [Sawyer grabs the case.] Okay, this is silly. I've got a proposition for you. You tell me what's inside and I'll give it to you.
Hell, there's no way to open the damn thing. At this point all I care about is satisfying my own curiosity. [Kate lunges for the case.] Whoa, easy sweetheart, I don't really care what it is. What's burning me up is why it means so much to you. . .. Last chance. Alright.
Doctor? What can I do you for? [Jack points to the case.] Figured she'd get you to do her dirty work for her. So what? Are we going to wrestle for it?
Sawyer: I'm just going to give it to you? Jack: Yeah. Sawyer: Why would I want to do that? Jack: Cephalexin. Sawyer: Yeah, go on? Jack: That's the antibiotic I've been giving you for the knife wound in your arm. You're right in the middle of the treatment cycle now, if I keep giving you the pills you're going to be right as rain. But I'm going to stop giving you the pills. And for 2 days you're going to think you're all good, then it's going to start to itch. The day after that the fever's going to come and you're going to start seeing red lines running up and down your arm. A day or two after that you'll beg me to take the case, just to cut off your arm. Sawyer: That's a nice story, Jack. And, even if it were true I don't think you could do it. Jack: You're wrong. Sawyer: Did she tell you what's inside? [Jack shakes his head.] Yeah, me neither. [He gives the case to Jack.] Hope you got yourself some jaws-of-life back in cave-town, that's what it's going to take to pop this *****. Jack: I'll figure something out. Sawyer: I know you think you're doing her a favor. But however she talked you into doing this, she lied brother.
Hearts and Minds
--- And so I just gave it back to him. Hey! Yo! Crock hunter! How come nobody wants to hear my side of the story, huh? Just what kind of third world country ---
Charlie: You know, I could just go inside and. . . Sawyer (From behind them): Trick or treat. What are you two selling today? Charlie: Where's Claire's diary? Someone took it from her bag. Sawyer: Oh I get it, something goes missing and right away you figure it's got to be me that took it. Kate: Do you have the diary or not? Sawyer (presents diary out): You mean this one? Charlie: Give it to me. Sawyer: Now, I'm not sure that's the best idea. Maybe missy Claire don't want you reading it. Charlie: I wasn't going to read it. Sawyer: You're not curious what she wrote about you? Charlie: You bastard. Did you read it? Sawyer: Good literature's kind'a scarce around here. Charlie: He read it. Kate: Just give it to us. Sawyer: Dear Diary, I'm getting really freaked out by that has-been pop star. I think he's stalking me. Kate: Sawyer. Sawyer: Diary, the little limey runt just won't let up. (Charlie hits the wound on Sawyer's arm and Sawyer drops the diary and Charlie picks it up. Sawyer punches Charlie in the face) Charlie: You hit like a ponce. Sawyer: Oh, yeah. . . Kate: Enough! You didn't really read it, did you? Sawyer : I just hadn't gotten around to it yet.
Homecoming
Guess old Steve drew the short straw.
Well, I know at least one polar bear that seems to think so. (Jack hands Sawyer a gun) Where'd you get the hardware, Hoss?
How much ammo you got?
All 9's, right? 9 millimeters, guns?
'Cause if the lady wants to come. . . (Sawyer brings out a gun) Lifted this off the Marshal back in the old days. Remember him, don't you? Surly guy? Kind of square of jaw? Carries a Sig 9.
Yeah, well, bygones. And hell, 5 guns are better than 4.
--- Knockout. Nice one, Doc. Now, maybe somebody can tell me just who or what this son-of-***** is? (Ethan starts to get up) Uh, uh, uh, jungle boy. Not even for one second.
Outlaws
Well, genius, I think we got some bad info.
It was staring at me. Then it came at me, so I hit it, and it ran off into the jungle.
Well, laugh it up, Mohammad. But I come back and find my stuff's gone, I'm coming after you. Sayid, what did you hear? After you ran into the French woman you said you heard something in the jungle.
What did you hear?
What was it saying?
Forget it. I didn't hear anything.
Hibbs: I've got to hand it to you, Sawbucks. How you find women that beautiful to work your grift --- (Sawyer puts Hibbs against the wall) Sawyer: Now, if I'm not mistaken, I'm fairly certain I said I'd kill you if I ever saw you again. Hibbs: That's why I'm here, to make things right. Besides, we both know you ain't the killing type. Here. I figure that makes us even for the Tampa job. Sawyer: What could possibly make us even for the Tampa job? Hibbs: How about the known whereabouts of the man that ruined your life? I'm going to make myself a drink. You want one? You remember old man Parks, right? Ran camper for us on that gig in Atlanta. Sawyer: Yeah, what about him? Hibbs: He's been working the wire at an off track parlor down in Sydney. Last week one of his regulars gets a little too sauced, starts running his mouth off about his glory days as a grifter. That guy --- Frank Duckett --- Real hard luck case --- gambling addict, alcoholic, runs a shrimp truck. Back in the day this guy, Duckett, was quite the hustler. He ran the romance angle. Hooked the wife, and took the husband for all the money. He was pretty good at it, too, from what I hear. ?Til, sadly, one of his marks in despair took a gun, shot up his wife and blew his own head off. All in front of their little boy. I paid Tony to pull his jacket. Turns out Frank Duckett used to be named Frank Sawyer. A name I believe you appropriated for yourself. Sawyer (Looks at photo): This is him? Hibbs: That's him.
Last night --- wrecked my tent. This morning when I went to get my tent back, it attacks me from behind and runs off into the jungle like a coward.
Good. Then if you'll excuse me, I've got some revenge to tend to.
Laurence: You must be Hibbs' mate. I did a few jobs with Hibbs back in the States. Nice enough fella. Sawyer: He's a son of a *****. Laurence: Right, indeed he is. A few disclaimers --- Australia doesn't allow it's citizens to carry handguns. You get nicked with this --- Sawyer: I'm not going to rat you out. Laurence: Secondly --- You know, I've been doing this for awhile and a man who buys a compact 357 with hollow point loads --- He's not looking to scare or steal. He's looking to kill. But when it comes down to it if he finds he doesn't have what it takes to do the job ---. Sawyer: Your sales pitch needs some work. Laurence: What I'm saying is, you look a man in eye and you point a gun at him, you find who you really are mate. And should you find you're not a killer, there's no refund. Sawyer: Won't be a problem.
Kate: Where'd you get that? Sawyer: Plane. Kate: Jack was looking for the liquor cart. Sawyer: It's a good thing I found it instead, then, huh?
Sawyer: Call it a way to get to know each other better. For example, I know you've never been to college. Kate: How do you know that? Sawyer: If you had, you'd have heard of I never. It's simple, you say I never and then you finish the sentence. If it's something you did you drink, if it's something you never did, you don't drink. Kate: That makes absolutely no sense. Sawyer: Learn by example. I never kissed a man. Now you drink 'cause you've kissed man. Your turn. Kate: I never implied that I've been to college when I never have. (Sawyer drinks) Sawyer: I never been to Disneyland. (Kate doesn't drink) Sawyer: Ah, that's just sad. Kate: I never wore pink. (Sawyer drinks) Kate: I knew it.
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Sawyer: The '80's. I never voted democrat. (Kate doesn't drink) Kate: I never voted. (Sawyer drinks) Sawyer: I've never been in love. Kate: You've never been in love? Sawyer: I ain't drinking, am I? (Kate drinks) Kate: I've never had a one night stand. (Sawyer drinks) Kate: Bottoms up, sailor. Sawyer: I've gotta drink for each one. Kate: Your turn. Sawyer: I've never been married. (Kate drinks a small sip) Kate: It didn't last very long. I never blamed a boar for all my problems. (Sawyer drinks) Sawyer: I never cared about having carte blanche because I just wanted to spend some time with the only other person on this island that just don't belong. (Kate drinks) Kate: I never carried a letter around for 20 years because I couldn't get over my baggage. (Sawyer drinks) Sawyer: I never killed a man. (Kate drinks, Sawyer drinks) Sawyer: Well, looks like we got something in common after all.
Tennessee.
James.
Sawyer: Again. Shephard: You tell 'em cowboy. These bastards think Americans can't hold their liquor. I --- uh --- I hate to hold my hand out, but I seem to have misplaced my wallet. Sawyer: Set him up. Shephard: I drink to you. What's your name, cowboy? Sawyer: Sawyer. Shephard: To Sawyer, may he find whatever he's looking for in the bottom of a glass. So --- Sawyer, what brings you to Sydney? Sawyer: Business. Shephard: You know why they call Australia "Down Under", don't you? Because it's as close as you can get to Hell without being burned. Sawyer: Why don't you leave the bottles. What'd you handle? Back in the States? Shephard: I was a Chief of Surgery. Sawyer: Was? Shephard: Yeah, was. Sawyer: But we're in hell, huh? Shephard: Don't let the air conditioning fool you, son. You are here, too. You are suffering. But don't beat yourself up about it. It's Fate. Some people are just supposed to suffer. That's why the Red Sox will never win the damn series. I have a son who's about your age. He's not like me. He does what's in his heart. He's a good man --- Maybe a great one. Right now, he thinks that I hate him. He thinks I feel betrayed by him. But what I really feel is gratitude --- and pride because of what he did to me. What he did for me. It took more courage than I have. There's a pay phone over there. I could pick it up and I could call my son. I could tell him about all this. I could tell him that I love him. One simple phone call and I could fix everything. Sawyer: Why don't you? Shephard: Because I am weak. This business that you have, will it ease your suffering? Sawyer: Yeah. Shephard: Then what are you doing here? Sawyer: It ain't that simple. Shephard: Of course it is. Unless you want to end up like me, of course it is.
Sawyer: Sawyer. (Shoots Duckett) I've got a letter for you. "Dear Mr. Sawyer ---" Duckett: Who? Sawyer: You used to go by the name of Sawyer. Duckett: What the hell are you talking about? You didn't have to --- Tell Hibbs, I would have paid ---. Sawyer: How do you know Hibbs? Duckett: You don't know what you're doing, do you? Sawyer: You borrowed money from Hibbs? Duckett: I was going to pay. It'll come back around.
Sawyer: Stick 'em up. Jack: Trying to be funny? Sawyer: Yeah. I was fresh out of pies to throw at you. Here you go, sheriff. Jack: I asked you for this 2 days ago. Sawyer: And I told you, stick it. I made a deal with your girlfriend. Jack: What did she give you? Sawyer: Nothing she wasn't willing to part with. Jack: That's why the Sox will never win the series. Sawyer: What's that? Jack: Huh? Sawyer: What'd you just say? Jack: I said that's why the Red Sox will never win the series. Sawyer: What the hell is that supposed to mean? Jack: Just something my father used to say. Went through life knowing that people hated him. Instead of taking responsibility for it, he just put it on fate. Said he was made that way. Sawyer: Your daddy? He a doctor, too? Jack: He was. He's dead. Why do you want to know about my father? Sawyer: No reason.
In Translation
What's the matter, doc? Feelin' left out?
Yep, bought myself a ticket on this little tub. Let me tell you, the fare was steep. [He tosses Michael a coil of cable]. I could've used that cable to hold up the whole east wing of my new beach house.
You messed up my ride, chief.
You're pretty scared, huh? Scared, you understand scared, don't you? Huh? If you ain't, you're going to be, Bruce. Folks down on the beach might have been doctors and accountants a month ago, but it's Lord of the Flies time, now.
Back off, Jack. It's got nothing to do with you.
You're going to lecture us about lying, Betty? From the look on his face, even your old man here didn't know you speak English. How do we know she's not covering for him?
Numbers
You want to hit that a little harder?
I am helping, Short Round. I'm keeping watch for arsonists.
needcaffeineRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Good point, good point. Claire really IS a very good actress then, cuz she was acting SO freaked when she woke up in the cave and didn't seem to know anyone. Man, that girl's got a good set of lungs! Someone was a casting genius on this show. I can't believe how perfect these people are for their characters.
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
The one who is lying...Charlie. He knows more than he is telling. Why did he shoot Ethan? He remembers things. What the heck did he see? Or maybe the question is..what the heck did he see that would make him kill for Claire?
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
I was just reading the Sawyer quotes from A. that Plato just posted, and though it probably doesn't really mean anything - it stood out to me that two of Charlie's tape words are in this Christian Shepard quote (I kept looking for "late" too, but couldn't see it anywhere):
Shephard: Don't let the air conditioning fool you, son. You are here, too. You are suffering. But don't beat yourself up about it. It's Fate. Some people are just supposed to suffer. That's why the Red Sox will never win the damn series. I have a son who's about your age. He's not like me. He does what's in his heart. He's a good man --- Maybe a great one. Right now, he thinks that I hate him. He thinks I feel betrayed by him. But what I really feel is gratitude --- and pride because of what he did to me. What he did for me. It took more courage than I have. There's a pay phone over there. I could pick it up and I could call my son. I could tell him about all this. I could tell him that I love
Isn't this a term used by the CIA/FBI? Jacket being the file or dossier? I read a lot of those types of books and I've never read or heard a criminal/bad guy use this terminology.
From the dialog, Sawyer is very, very smart. Very, very well read and has travelled extensively. His knowledge is well rounded and he's familiar with and comfortable using colloquial slang because he knows the "inside" meanings.
I'ma thinkin' our Wild-Eyed Southern Boy *giggle* is not all he seems either...
and where's the missing $20,000 from the pool man's money?
cac120Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Need: Cac is brilliant. I'm the president of her fan club. JJ should have her writing for the show.
Well, I HAVE been contemplating a career change. More than that, I'm looking out at the snow that needs shoveling and seriously considering moving somewhere that doesn't get any. Hawaii looks nice.
Anyway, I often feel far from brilliant and am constantly in awe of the things the rest of you come up with. It wasn't long after I started this thread that I realized how much this sort of mental stimulation was missing from my life. Thank you everyone, especially Ada, for that.
hello, there's a timeline! I was making a mental one on the drive to work this morning, but now this will save me the trouble of writing it down. When I heard about the special episode, I thought we should do this to see if the connections become more clear.
Another thing I think we really need to do is find the numbers in the episodes. I think that they will tie each person to the hatch and therefore to the island. It's not all through their fathers, as it wasn't for Hurley. I also think this means that those who have had multiple episodes are doubly or tripply connected, through more than one route I mean. The ones we know are Kate's safety deposit box - the man she loved and killed, Charlie's tape and coppier - his music and Lucy's dad, Hurley's numbers - Lennie & Sam, Sawyer's drinks - Jack's dad, Claire's ticket - the psychic and whichever of the 14 he also did a reading for. Is that all we know? I am now going to guess that the one who doesn't have the numbers in their episode is the one who is going to die because they aren't connected and therefore do not belong on the island.
Plato, send Ada my love too. Thanks for more clues to work on. Interesting that you gave us Sawyer's lines in the middle of our discussion of poisonings and liars. Hmm...
I think that the poisoner is probably the person who is not what they seem. Aside from the ambiguous Locke, I don't think any of us have believed that anyone is capable of intentionally poisoning someone.
As I'm typing this, there's a polar bear report on the weather channel. They are worried that they will soon face extinction due to global warning because they fast while they are on land. They are dependent upon the cold climate because they need the ice to get out onto the ocean where they catch fish and seals. They didn't explain why they can't just walk down to the beach, but apparently it hasn't occurred to them. Maybe their empty tummies are why the polar bears are so angry. More importantly, it shows that they can't have been there very long because they simply couldn't survive on a tropical island.
sdogTSOLRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Isn't this a term used by the CIA/FBI? Jacket being the file or dossier? I read a lot of those types of books and I've never read or heard a criminal/bad guy use this terminology.
Yes, I took this to mean that Hibb's paid off a cop to pull his file (a cop they must both know, and pay off on occassion for info). Of course, we learned that Hibb's made the whole thing up anyway.
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
cac, I don't get this one. What does Charlie's tape have to do with the copier?
Also, I was reading a thread the other day where people were saying that Kate's safety deposit box # wasn't 815, but 850. Was that every truly verified?
Oh, and I think there was a thread going not long ago that was keeping track of all numbers mentioned in the episodes.
OneisLostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
It wasn't long after I started this thread that I realized how much this sort of mental stimulation was missing from my life. Thank you everyone, especially Ada, for that.
Hear! Hear! *raises glass*
sdog-pool dude says he gave Sawyer $160,000. Sawyer gave the mark $140,000 to hold overnight and told him that's the amount he had already to invest. Where's the $20,000 difference?
OneisLostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
The tape on Charlie's fingers said 15ATE once. I'm not sure which episode, but I'm assuming it's in The Moth. The copier is separate, one for each episode. Someone said that the tape is something guitar players do, so I'm assuming that means one of his sources of the numbers is his band or someone in the music industry.
I tried listening carefully and it sounded more like 815 to me, but I have been known to hear what I want in the past. I couldn't read the number on the box.
pool dude says he gave Sawyer $160,000. Sawyer gave the mark $140,000 to hold overnight and told him that's the amount he had already to invest. Where's the $20,000 difference?
And what happened when he didn't return all that money?
That's the rub ME. Hibbs wouldn't have used that phrase to describe getting the file unless he was law enforcement. That is, if I'm right.
Well, maybe Hibbs was a former cop himself... maybe a dirty cop.
What's funny is that on TV, seems like law inforcement always just say "pulling his file" - not "jacket"... so it didn't strike me as being a law enforcement oriented phrase, just going by what I've seen in movies and TV.
HankisBackRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Oneis, you are closer than you think with that image. And your assumption.
I believe the assumption Furb was making reference to was that " Locke would be too obviouse"
Is it Sayid? Did he go out to map the Island or report /collaborate to or with the whiperers.
Is it Jack? I am leaning towards Jack . That white shirt (in the PIlot EP) he took with him when he ran "back into the forest" wasnt used to clean his wound. I think he was setting the stage. Sending a message with his white shirt in one hand - dont hurt me, I give up. Or dont hurt me - Im on your side.
JAck's Dad may be one of the whisperers.
sdogTSOLRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
This was from that site with the numbers, but this doesn't seem right to me. I wonder what appeared in epil 18 to bring that person to this conclusion.
I always thought Hurley won the lottery just a few months or so before the plane crash... since his broker told him he had doubled his assets in just a few months (not sure if "assets" was the word, but doubled it in just few months is the time reference). Right after his broker said this, Hurley went to see Lenny, then went to Australia. Just seems like he went to Australia not soon after that meeting with his broker. MaetrenaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Sawyer's a pretty keen observer of human nature... He figured out Kate's secret, he figured Walt burned down the boat (the arsonist comment), he knew where to look for Jin in In Translation, he knows exactly how to get on Jack's nerves, he remembered a drunken conversation that he had in a Sydney bar with a random American chief of surgery, etc....
So I'm going to take all his observations from now on as gospel truth. Our earliest introduction to Sawyer is his fight with Sayid in the Pilot Part 2 in which he accuses Sayid of being a terrorist. Of course, as viewers, we thought nothing of that exchange because Sayid is much more likeable and believable than Sawyer. However, perhaps Sawyer's observation about Sayid was correct; he was somehow involved with terrorists in order to save Nadia.
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MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Sawyer's a pretty keen observer of human nature...
Yes, actually... this is very true. Pretty keen observation yourself!
What is interesting is that Locke is very much the same way - as we've mentioned many a time. When you think about it, Locke and Sawyer are very similar in that respect - but the approach and presentation is simply different, as well as the philosophy, perhaps.. so it isn't apparent at first glance.
Reading through Sawyer's quotes, one phrase he repeats is that he's a "big picture" person... he looks for and sees the big picture. Scoping out the situation... seeing who is who and how it all fits together, and how he can make it all work to his beneifit... i.e. survival.
slpyRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
LATE I thought C's tape said LATE? It made me think of the tatoo of some group/bikers that says HATE--H is the 8th letter in the alphabet. The other nuckels say LOVE. OMG just thought of this--knucle bones in backgammon--I think I'm loosing it.
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
When Hurley started to tell Charlie about the lottery, when they were in the jungle, he said, "About a year ago."
Ah. Well, I won't take that as fact then. We don't know that Hurley was going to say when he say "About a year ago".. and we don't know that he was going to start his story with winning the lottery.
He could have been starting with whatever it was he did to give his parents a lot of trouble.... which might have happened about a year ago. At least that's my take on it.
OneisLostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
I took the exchange in the dialog about the money to mean, Sawyer took $160,000 from the pool guy, used $140,000 of that to swindle the husband. Yes, he did leave the $140,000 with the husband/wife. He never had $300,000.
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
ME--NO, NO, NO-I was saying there is a well known biker tattoo where LOVE is on the right hand knuckles-HATE is on the left hand. It shows up when the biker has hands on the handle bars. Another thought on this-opposites love/hate. The right hand is distracting from what the left hand is doing. There is a shot of C's bandages on crewpix but I don't know which epi.
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MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Thanks Me! It seems you are always in a good mood too! I love that about you. I check in and out..with three kids home for spring break...Every time I come back it's pages and pages of good stuff posted here. I just wondered if you all work out of the home.
slpy, i'm with you! i ran a couple of errands and fixed dinner...off for about 2 1/2 hours....5 PAGES OF NEW INFO!!! it is like that every time i log back in! you guys are amazing.
it is interesting that we are all still coming up with so many possibilities for the "who is not what they seem" person. it will be great to see who it really is.
you know, what keeps coming to mind? you know, the whole title of this thread asked one question. and yet, in the analysis of the titles we've come up with ever more and more possibilites with these titles. not only past connections, but meanings that ring true with each and every character, not just the ones that a particular episode is about, and multiple meanings within the titles themselves.
kind of like this "someone isn't who they seem". so many possibilities, so many different ways that fit that discription. i love the layers of this show...just like shannon's inevitable sunburn...we just peel and peel and peel!
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MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
kind of like this "someone isn't who they seem". so many possibilities, so many different ways that fit that discription.
i agree anni, exactly! that's what i meant earlier when i was saying that almost all of them could fit that clue. I mean, I think we'll end up learning that all of them, or at least most of them, are not who they seem... not who we first perceived them to be. I think A. had said that's one of themes... perceptions.
thanks, slpy! I'm glad i come across that way! LOL! yes, i am usually in a good mood when i post... unless trolls are making life miserable for us and friends... and yes i do have bad days (yesterday's ended not so merrily).
I work half time out of the home, and work half time at home (freelance).
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SevileaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
While shoveling snow, I was thinking about the numbers. Is there a list of the characters ages anywhere? Boone said that he was 10 and Shannon was 8 when their parents married. If that was 15 years ago, it would make them 25 and 23 now, which fits pretty well with the actors being 26 and 21.
IF we can use that assumption, we've found another 815. And Boone & Shannon would be connected to the island through at least one of their parents.
I know that some of you are going to say that the numbers actually have to be seen or heard in the episode, but I'll point out once again that we aren't finding very many using that criteria.
sdog, those 5 triangles would have 15 sides among them. There isn't an 8 on him anywhere, is there?
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MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
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the numbers going down in the next column over, the numbers increase as they go down. If the box that Kate has is 815, the next one down would be 816... down to 819. And then the top of the next column of boxes is 820, next down is 821, etc.
sdogTSOLRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
I really didn't expect you to find the 8, sdog. LOL In that case, I'll say that Jack is somehow connected to the island by the person who inspired his tattoo. I know that tattoos actually predate the show, but I've read a few times that they will be incorporated at some point.
I just noticed that Boone's flight took 15 hours. Would that be better than assuming 15 years since the marriage? Do the numbers both have to appear in the same scene?
I think we should at least keep all these possibilities in mind until we find better options.
Here are the 8's and 15's from the link I posted earlier. Can anyone think of any more 815s from them?
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Months that Claire is pregnant on day of crash Months between Ray Mullen's wife dying, and Kate showing up on his farm Number of months Locke has been talking to Helen Month of Walt's birthday (August) Number of years Michael worked in construction Number of weeks Charlie has booked for DriveShaft's comeback tour opening for MeatCoat (opening in LA) Number of hours Kate spent with her dad one day tracking in the woods part of the "numbers" TV Station that interviews Hurley is KSVU-8 (channel 8) Number of people that died in Hurley's shoe factory fire in Canada Kilometers from secretary of environment's house to riverbank where Jin is to dump car Number of days Claire was missing when Ethan took her Age of Shannon when parent remarried
15
Kilometers from nearest town to Ray Mullen's farm (where Kate was sleeping with the sheep) part of the "numbers" Hours Boone's flight took to get to Australia Minutes passed from Locke and Boone losing Shannon's trail and finding hatch
sdogTSOLRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Hey guys haven't read all your research but I know you guys work really hard. Does blissfully post here, because we were having a convo about the brandon thing and I thought this was her/his group. Also did you guys see the timeline at http://www.lostlinks.net? It is really good info to have on one page. I know cac that we were trying to figure out some timelines. OK guys hope you are having fun with your research.
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Jumping back a page....One thing about Charlie's hand tape that I did not know. I caught the TV Guide Channel's special the other day. It was filmed in late 2004, after episode 8 or 9 based on clips and references made. One thing that Dom said about the hand tape that I never knew was that the hand tape are bandages from an injury sustained in the crash. I always thought that Charlie was just making a fashion statement and wanted to express himself.
Didn't know it was bandages. OK, if you guys are laughing at me going..."Uh, duh!" then I will understand. Everyone probably already knew this.
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she_lost_coloRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
I miss so much when I'm not on here....you guys have been doing some great thinking!
I thought Charlie's bandages were a fashion statement, too! And I read somewhere that Kate's safety deposit box is 815, that the closed captions had stated 850 and were wrong.
Also been thinking about "who is not as they appear". Wouldn't it be a shock if it were Boone!?! Since many don't think he's competent. Maybe that's why he and Shannon were given flashbacks together....the writers didn't want to give too much away! (Just a thought)
Keep it up guys....this is fun!!!
annipadanniRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Could Hurley have been in the institution recovering from alcoholism? His nick name is Hurley afterall. That would put your family through a lot and at his age is not unheard of, especially if he started drinking early in his teens due to daddy issues. Could be a link between Jack/Hurley too if Jack was also battling alcoholism which we suspect.
mrsbunsRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
OK, it seriously just took me a day and a half to catch up with everything I missed lately!! I spend one weekend away from the boards, and look what happens!
I have always been a supporter of the tesseract theory. The river beds stuff is fascinating, I wonder where the water is being diverted to...
Haven't read TTLG in ages. I forgot how twisted it is!
Ok, he then went on to say, one of the 14 survivors is lying when they say they've never seen them.
I said ages and ages ago that I thought Jack had seen something way back when, when he & Charlie & Kate got separated running from the cockpit and he got separated. What do you think, is Jack not what he seems to be? Sawyer has said before that he & Jack aren't as different as they seem. He's very wary of Locke. He & Sayid often don't see eye to eye, especially about whether or not to dig in and settle into island life. I wonder...
hasn't there been some speculation that jack had a nervous breakdown after he outed his dad? if so, i wonder if he was at the same hospital as lenny (and maybe hurley...)? hmmm.
on the whole jack thing. i saw where in his upcoming epi we will see him in a tuxedo shoppe (ie...wedding). ive always thought is strange he was ok with helping his dad out (lying for him) right up until the moment he heard that the woman had been pregnant. it seems to trigger something inhim when he found that out. did he lose a wife and baby?
any news on the tatoo yet? what it means? did you notice that in that photo, what the scene was about was hurley giving jack a battery...that is in his RIGHT hand...the tatoo is on the LEFT arm. i wish i knew what it meant...
fedrich519Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
fedrich, that's the only one I've seen, too. But I think there's a spoiler floating around about something to do with a tuxedo shop...
anni,
ive always thought is strange he was ok with helping his dad out (lying for him) right up until the moment he heard that the woman had been pregnant. it seems to trigger something inhim when he found that out. did he lose a wife and baby?
I completely agree. You can literally see it on his face at the moment he hears that during the scene with the medical board, that moment when he changes his mind about covering for Christian...Whether or not this indicates a specific, personal loss for him or just the final straw in a situation he was already really uncomfortable with is up for debate.
blissfullylostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
A pregnant wife/girlfriend death would explain some of the Jack/Kate interactions.
Not to stray too far into a Jack/Kate ship theme, but there is something holding Jack back from going for it with Kate. IMO, I think he could have got her in House of the Rising Sun, but something was holding him back. They really got close in that episode. She wanted him to ask her to move to the caves so they could be closer. I do think that is the real reason he wanted her to go live at the caves too. Kate kind of opened herself up to moving forward, but he held back. He said something about it's safer, or closer to water. At that point, I think she felt rejected and started pulling back.
He held back when she asked if he was checking her out too. You could just see the rejected look on her face.
Jack is still not quite right in the head, but there is something deeper holding him back.
P.S. I haven't read any of the "Ship" threads, so sorry if this has already been brought up.
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mrsbunsRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Jack is still not quite right in the head, but there is something deeper holding him back.
Dadio, I agree. We're bound to get a deeper understanding of this in upcoming episodes...
And there's room for Jack/Kate debate in many different discussions, not just the "ship" threads, so keep those ideas coming! Their relationship, or non-relationship, is pretty central to the whole group dynamic, IMO.
Neesy1967Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Jack was absolutely panic-stricken when C & C disappeared. I think he felt guilty bc he hadn't believed Claire when she said someone had been trying to attack her and hurt the baby.
I love the Jack character. I am also very excited to get more of his backstory...
I love him too..Matt Fox is the reason I watched the show in the first place. I'm glad that they didn't kill him off in the pilot, like originally planned.
I'm still thinking about "the one that is not as they appear"....which could really be any of the castaways.
I agree with cac that Kate is some kind of undercover cop/agent. She has not actually killed anyone, showed to compassion to the farmer and only wounded the guys in the bank.
The marshall may have been the "bad" cop and not Kate as they have been leading us to believe.
(mumbling again!)
mrsbunsRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
When Hurley said "A year ago" he was talking about his breakdown, not the lottery. To Hurley it all started with the breakdown.
Thanks so much, Terq!! Appreciate it!
As you might have read on this thread (sorry for the rhyme), I thought Hurley's statement was about something like that. That when he said "A year ago...", he wasn't going to say he won the lottery a year ago, but he was simply starting his story by telling about something else that happened a year ago... whatever it was that caused his family a lot of trouble, in his mind.
There's been much speculation that Hurley had a nervous breakdown, after the mental ward scene. I kind of thought maybe it would end up that his dad was the one who had a breakdown, and that Hurley simply visited him there. However, I was staying open minded, and new it was very possible that Hurley could have very well had the nervous breakdown.
Oh, and anni, I'm pretty sure terq means Hurley had a nervous breakdown a year before crash... way before winning the lottery and the curse.
annipadanniRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
dadio...always room in here for any kind of thoughts on lost!!!
mrs and neesy...i like jack as well. i think (based on interviews with the writers) that they weren't prepared to carry his storyline very far at first...but are now going to catch us up.
re: kate...i think too that she is military and/or fbi/cia/cop...something.
and the question about 2 or more marshalls...i think that yes, there were. the one with sayid, the one with kate...imo
hmmmm anything else? still hoping ONE's friend comes up with something on the tatoo's...i a really curious! that's all for now. (mumbling IS contagious!)
blissfullylostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
About the two Marshalls, wasn't it Sawyer who saw Sayid on the plane with his hands under a blanket? He said something too, like the guy next to him didn't make it.
Wouldn't Sawyer know that the gun he was taken off the dead Marshall was the same guy he saw sitting next to Sayid?
On another thought, maybe that is why Sawyer was so adament about Sayid being a terrorist, he did reconize the guy, and is keeping it to himself, like he does everything?
Maybe Sawyer will oust Sayid, and Sayid will set out to kill Sawyer
mumble, mumble
OneisLostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
ive always thought is strange he was ok with helping his dad out (lying for him) right up until the moment he heard that the woman had been pregnant. it seems to trigger something inhim when he found that out. did he lose a wife and baby?
Have to disagree with you here. Jack started to realize he was being played by his father again in the hallway scene, when Jack's father used the same gesture, hand on shoulder, with the grieving husband. Jack realized how insincere his father really is and that he was playing the husband as well.
The kicker came with the pregnancy disclosure. That was when Jack decided he'd had enough bs. He felt the final betrayal by not having that information up front.
Agent 1 did some research this morning and has handed off the tattoo photo to Agent 2 who speaks Japanese and
hasn't there been some speculation that jack had a nervous breakdown after he outed his dad? if so, i wonder if he was at the same hospital as lenny (and maybe hurley...)? hmmm.
yes, there's definitely been speculation like that about Jack - was an interesting discussion going in a thread about it a couple months ago. I forget the name of the thread though. Maybe A. would remember. Anyway, it did all make sense. I know some people who participated in that thread (like myself) wondered if he was at the same hospital as Lenny the moment we saw that episode.
I like Jack too, and very much agree that his demeanor changed greatly when he found out the woman had been pregnant. I noticed the last time I watched how he really teared up and seemed torn up when he did tell the truth about his dad... that ending shot. It was as if it were killing him to have to do that, but he felt he had to. So, telling the truth about his dad, even thought it was tearing him up to do so, was only more important AFTER he found the woman was pregnant. THAT is very telling.
Oh, and I never thought Jack was "ok" with lying for his dad. I think he was doing it against his better judgement because his dad snowed him, but even then I don't think Jack was comfortable and happy about it. But it WAS finding out that the woman was pregnant that flipped the switch of him changing his mind.
Also, as others have posted in the past, that scnene were he finally revives charlie... he's holding Charlie like a newborn child, and Jack's face reflected that as well. I agree that Jack has lost a child and probably wife in the past (though maybe lost a child, and because he couldn't deal with that - it broke up his marriage).
I agree about Kate... that she's CIA/FBI... or something of that nature. I think she is far too skilled to merely be because she spent time with her dad.
I have to say, as much as I like Matthew Fox, that's one UGLY looking tatoo! Sorry Matthew!
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blissfullylostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
This guy was sitting in the back row of business class the whole flight. Never got up. Hands folded underneath a blanket. And for some reason, just pointing this out, the guy I saw next to him didn't make it.
You don't think I saw them pull you out of line before we boarded.
Oh great, let's trust this guy.
How would Sawyer know that the guy didn't make it, unless he saw his dead body?
I got if off one of the bodies.
Yeah, one of the bodies.
They do if they're a U.S. Marshall, sweet cheeks. There was one on the plane.
I saw a guy lying there with an ankle holster so I took the gun. I thought it might come in handy. Guess what? I just shot a bear.
Because he had a clip on badge. (He holds it up). I took that too, thought it was cool.
You're as suspicious of me as I am of you.
Fine, I'm the criminal. You're the terrorist. We can all play a part. (To Shannon) Who you want to be?
Things that make you go hmmmmm....
mrsbunsRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Oh, and I never thought Jack was "ok" with lying for his dad. I think he was doing it against his better judgement because his dad snowed him, but even then I don't think Jack was comfortable and happy about it. But it WAS finding out that the woman was pregnant that flipped the switch of him changing his mind.
Obviously Jack was never "comfortable & happy" about it. He is tormented from the beginning. But he did agree to do it, bc Christian played him and pushed all the right buttons. And others have pointed out that gesture in the hallway, it is clearly the moment he really starts to regret his decision. The pregnancy reveal was, like I said, just the final straw.
annipadanniRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
hmmmmmm indeed. i dont know how, but missed some of that from sawyer until recently. the first time watching it, i guess it just went in one ear and out the other...more like i was wating the right instead of the left...who knows.
anyway. it does make you wonder about sayid and how/why he was on his way into the U.S., huh? hands folded under a blanket. you dont think HE had something to do with the downing of the plane do you? no. i don't either.
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Obviously Jack was never "comfortable & happy" about it. He is tormented from the beginning. But he did agree to do it, bc Christian played him and pushed all the right buttons. And others have pointed out that gesture in the hallway, it is clearly the moment he really starts to regret his decision. The pregnancy reveal was, like I said, just the final straw.
How would Sawyer know that the guy didn't make it, unless he saw his dead body?
We've all been assuming that the Marshall who Sawyer took the badge and gun from was Kate's Marshall, but maybe he got them off a Marshall with Sayid? So, maybe Sawyer DOES know more about Sayid than he's letting on? I had been thinking that maybe Sayid is the one who is not who he has seemed to be. Don't know though - we knew he tortured people... so it's not like we didn't know he's done horrible things.
Are we missing something about Sayid having his hands under a blanket? Any other reason besides hand cuffs that he'd have his hands like that (keep minds out of the gutter please).
Neesy1967Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Hi all! Now I know when to catch you guys on here...in the afternoon (I'm on the east coast).
Anyway, I must have missed or forgotten what Sawyer had said about Sayid, being the one in the back of the plane with his hands under a blanket....that does make you go "hmmmmm"!
I was wondering about your thoughts on the "so called monster"....sorry to be changing the subject.
I had a thought while I was driving to pick up my son from school...I know, I should be paying attention to the road!! Anyway, with the idea of there being tunnels under ground, could the "monster" be under ground causing the trees to be pushed up from the ground not uprooted? (I'm mumbling again!!)
I know this doesn't explain Locke looking up and the pilot being snatched up from the plane, but thought maybe that's why we haven't seen it.
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mrsbunsRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
what i said is very much what you are saying. we are in complete agreement here, i believe!
Well, then I am in excellent company
We, as the audience, know lots of things about these characters that they don't know about each other. I think this difference should be kept in mind as we look at them with fresh eyes...For example, WE know that Locke has been lying to everyone, but on the island only Boone knows this. WE know that Jack has a troubled, tormented past, but they all just see him as the heroic doctor, the natural leader. WE know Sawyer had a horrific childhood experience, but on the island only Kate knows this...
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
We, as the audience, know lots of things about these characters that they don't know about each other. I think this difference should be kept in mind as we look at them with fresh eyes...
I agree!
Though, I think many of them are very suspicious of Locke. Several have also said they would trust him with their life though, or if they'd be safe with anyone, it would be Locke, which could be some foreshadowing toward the contrary (I know this thought has been mentioned before).
OneisLostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Are we missing something about Sayid having his hands under a blanket? Any other reason besides hand cuffs that he'd have his hands like that (keep minds out of the gutter please).
Gosh ME! You take all the fun out of it. *giggle*
Bomb? Gun? Knife? Was he hijacking the plane?
blissfullylostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Me, I was always thinking that is was Kate's Marshall too that Sawyer got the gun from, but someone on this thread pointed it out that it was a dead body, and Kate's Marshall didn't die for awhile.
Also, Jack buried Kate's Marshall, and I'm sure he did it right away, that is the way he is, he wanted to hurry up and get his Dad's body back to the USA, he needed to get it done fast ( I wonder if this has something to do with maybe burying a child? ) I'm sure he didn't just leave the body laying around, he felt bad about having to euthanise the Marshall is the first place.
We know Sawyer doesn't tell people ANYTHING!
I can't think of any other reason Sayid would have his hands under a blanket, other than being cold?
blissfullylostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Oh, that is good! Maybe he was going to hijack the plane, but it broke up first? Or do you think he is what brought down the plane??
It wouldn't work with the theory of two Marshall's though, I thought of something else..Didn't Kate tell Jack in WTCMB that they let the Marshall carry on one gun, and he had to check the rest? Where would that gun be, if Sawyer got his off Sayid's Marshall?
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
It wouldn't work with the theory of two Marshall's though, I thought of something else..Didn't Kate tell Jack in WTCMB that they let the Marshall carry on one gun, and he had to check the rest? Where would that gun be, if Sawyer got his off Sayid's Marshall?
True, true. EVERYONE's thoughts about this seem like they could be true... even though some are conflicting. We're chasing our tails with this one.
Maybe we're completely off base with Sayid even having a Marshall. Maybe he DIDN'T have his hands under a blanket. Maybe HE was bringing someone ELSE to the US... perhaps a war criminal? Sawyer should have been abel to figure out who was sitting next to Sayid from the manifest, which he did have in his posession for quite a while.
I wonder why he gave up the manifest without much of a debate, and no barter? Do you think there's something in there about one of the 14 that he WANTS Hurley or someone else to find out - but Sawyer just doesn't want to come across as caring about it enough to simply spill the beans himself? Unless he felt he got all the info he wanted or needed from it. Still not like him to give up something without getting something in return.
mrsbunsRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Though, I think many of them are very suspicious of Locke. Several have also said they would trust him with their life though, or if they'd be safe with anyone, it would be Locke, which could be some foreshadowing toward the contrary (I know this thought has been mentioned before).
It has been mentioned before, but it bears repeating. Jack especially seems suspicious of Locke. I think he knows Locke has skills and also secrets, and he wants him as an ally, but doesn't quite trust him. That scene where he asks Charlie his opinion of him I felt like he was feeling out how Charlie felt, bc he has his doubts. Jack always seems wary around Locke...
The finale is supposed to take us back on the plane, so I wonder if we'll get more on Sayid & the blanket, the (possible) 2 marshalls, etc. I'm sure a lot of these kinds of questions answered...
sister_moonRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Hey, I just wanted to thank eveybody who has had input on this thread. I have actually only read through about half of it so far (I am on page 22) but all of you insights have been fantasic, and it is so nice to actually read posting that are about the show instead of people just bickering back and forth on the boards. Please keep up all the good work!
mrsbunsRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Thanks sister! Not that I can take much credit, my mumblings are not usually up to snuff with the others around here...
I wonder why he gave up the manifest without much of a debate, and no barter? Do you think there's something in there about one of the 14 that he WANTS Hurley or someone else to find out - but Sawyer just doesn't want to come across as caring about it enough to simply spill the beans himself? Unless he felt he got all the info he wanted or needed from it. Still not like him to give up something without getting something in return.
Too true. VERY uncharacteristic. It's amazing how every detail and nuance can be endlessly debated, with new discoveries each time around...
Re-watching some of my taped episodes, one scene which leaped out at me like it hadn't the first time was when Kate & Sayid are walking through the jungle discussing the unlikelihood of their survival. He says flat out, "We shouldn't have survived". Opinion, or foreshadowing of events to come? Hmmm, mumbling again...
terq6_9Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
If it helps, A is highlighting those characters for a reason. Can't share because that would be breaking a promise, but I can see what she's trying to get you to look at. Try this on for size, because it will give you at least one thing she's trying to show you. You caught the anamoly about Sawyer and the Marshal. Sawyer knows, at that point, that the guy Jack is taking care of is alive. He says he found the gun and badge on a dead body. It's not a mistake and it's not a lie.
MrshenRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Sawyer knows, at that point, that the guy Jack is taking care of is alive. He says he found the gun and badge on a dead body. It's not a mistake and it's not a lie.
So there was definitely more than one armed, law enforcement type on the plane...
He says he found the gun and badge on a dead body. It's not a mistake and it's not a lie.
Wow - thanks so much, terq! Hey, I have to tell you, I love it when you come to visit us! Especially because you're so good to us, and you know when to jump in and keep us from chasing our tails (again all, keeping minds out of the gutter).
Really, as "brilliant" as A. claims we all are on this thread, you must get a good chuckling at our mumblings in the corner.
Anni, I don't think this means that both marshall's were armed. Sawyer said he got the gun off a dead marshall, and they all assumed he meant Kate's Marshall (and we assumed so too). I didn't get the impression that Kate knew her marshall was carring a weapon.
So, sounds like the ideas about the marshall being with Sayid might spot on. The handcuffs that were found on the beach, that we assumed were from Kate's marshall, but have been from the other marshall as well.
Hmmmmmmm... the plot thickens (can a plot GET any thicker than Lost's?).
Go_DadioRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Let's use the good old process of elimination to figure out who the second Marshall was for. Here is a list of the last thing we have seen of the characters before the flight:
Jack - Checking in at the Airport in Australia day of flight Kate - Captured by person escorting her on plane in Australia before flight. Person escorting her could be a bounty hunter or US Marshall Boone/Shannon - In hotel after uh hum. In Australia day or two before flight Charlie - Leaving Brother's house day or two before flight. In Australia Hurley - Talking with Sam Toomey's wife day or two before flight. In Australia Walt/Michael - At Walt's Mom's house day or two before flight. In Australia Sayid - In Iraqi prison, Seven years before flight Sawyer - In Australian police custody, day or two before Shannon and Boone uh hum. Locke - In Walkabout office/town. Not in Sydney. Not sure how many days before flight. Jin/Sun - In Airport checking in, day of flight. Claire - In psychic's house, day before flight.
Based on this I think we can definitely count out: Jack, Sun, Jin - We see them the day of the flight, and they are not in custody. Boone, Shannon, Michael, and Walt - Just doesn't fit with any of these four. Kate - She was already being escorted. Sayid - If he was in trouble with the US, he would be sent to one of the military bases in Australia then transferred to Gitmo via military transportation.
That leaves: Charlie - No, he wouldn't have had his drugs or gone to the bathroom unattended. Hurley - No, Only if "Dude" became a federal offense. Sawyer - Maybe too obvious, but the last time we saw him he was in police custody. Locke - Doesn't fit his character unless he torched the Walkabout office for denying him. Claire - No, who is going to mess with a very pregnant woman?
My Sayid assumption might be a little weak. In that case, it basically comes down to either him or Sawyer.
Another thing to check is who had an unidentified person sitting beside them on any FB's we've seen of the flight?
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Great thresd y'all I have not posted in a while , but I've been lurking and reading . Is it possible that Sawyer is the other person w/ a law enforcement person w/ him on the plane ? He was being lead away in cuffs behind Boone in hearts & mind . If he got hte gun off a dead person ,it could have been his , marshall
MrshenRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
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A question because I'm not too familiar with it.... in which case would someone be transfered to the States because of a crime? Only if (s)he committed a crime in/against the US? If we're talking about Sawyer for a minute.... did anyone ever find out that he shoot the guy? Shouldn't the trial for that be held in Australia if that was the case? If it's been Sawyer who's been with the other marshal - why was he transfered?
Another thing to check is who had an unidentified person sitting beside them on any FB's we've seen of the flight? Don't think we have seen too many of them.... will try & check tomorrow though
terq6_9Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Is it possible that Sawyer is the other person w/ a law enforcement person w/ him on the plane ?
Yes, beagle... very possible, I think! Dadio was just tossing out the same possiblity in this post on the previous page.
Cierdwyn, if Sawyer was wanted in the US for other crimes (fraud, etc), then he could have been extradited. And remember, even though he committed the crime in Australia, Duckett was an American. So, we have an American killing an American in Australia. I'm sure Australia would just love wasting their tax dollars trying THAT one. They might have been just as happy to extradite Sawyer to the US to be tried for some other crime here. Or would/could he have been tried for Duckett's murder here, since Duckett was an American too?
Go_DadioRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
I don't think he was being sent the US because he shot Frank. He might have had a warrant in the US. If he was in the police station for Frank's murder, he wouldn't have been on the plane.
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
True, Dadio... they might not have figured out who killed Frank Duckett by the time Sawyer was extradited. Sawyer was in the police station because of some bottle incident... so if he was put on a plane within a day or two of that, they might not have made much headway on the Duckett investigation yet.
OneisLostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Sawyer was being hauled in for questioning about Jack's dad's death.(boone/shannon epi.) Since he didn't have anything to do with it (that we know of) he was either released or held in the pokey pending the flight. He would have been taken to the airport and escorted to the plane by the Australian authorities. Chances are good, once he was on the plane they would have left, unless his record showed he was wanted somewhere else for another crime. How many U.S. Marshall's are there stationed around the world? Is this a regular thing for them to be in Australia?
If Sawyer was in the pokey, he may have overheard or seen the U.S. Marshall that was escorting Kate come in to register with the locals or to check his weapons.
He said he saw Sayid being pulled out of line at the airport. It could have been racial profiling, something in his luggage set off alarms, any number of reasons why he was pulled out of line.
If there were 2/3 people in handcuffs and as many U.S. Marshall's about, it would be called Con Air, not LOST. LOL
OneisLostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Hi all... I don't really post much but have been lurking for months and following this thread since last week... I really don't have much to contribute. You all are too fast, by the time I finishreading whatever I was going to write is already posted...
Anyway, I was under the impression that US Marshalls aim to be on most trans Atlantic and Pacific flights leaving and arriving in the US. And for the most part they travel in pairs... So there is a good chance there would be 2 Marshalls on the plane. Also, for violent crimes extradition usually occurs on federal planes... not commercial. I can't give links or anything... these are just things I've gathered from various law enforcement officals.
I think the guy escorting Kate was most likely not a marshall. IF she was telling the truth and she killed someone, then she would not have been placed on a commercial flight. Especially if she is as dangerous as the "Marshall" said she is... I don't think a chance of her escaping or hurting others on the flight would have been taken.
Well, this is just my opinion...
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sdogTSOLRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Wow-just read pgs 48-52. Lots of great work. Big thanks to those who answered my questions from last night-about 2 marshalls and tattoo! Made a few notes as I read.
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I am sure there were 2 marshalls-one died in crash and Sawyer got his gun. Other was Kate's. I do think Sawyer could have been being escourted by a marshall-maybe for stealing 160K. If he was in cuffs, he said when trying to open Kates case that there wasn't a lock he couldn't pick. Maybe he picked the cuff lock? Where did he get the cuffs he put on Jin? I don't remeber who Michael gave them too after walt found them but I thought it was Jack? How did Sawyer get a passport under a name that isn't his real name? Was he on the manefest as Sawyer?
lizpeppermintRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
I forgot to add - US Marshalls carry out arrest warrents but only in the US. It would be highly unlikely for a US Marshall to seek out a criminal in another country. The local authorities would go after the person. The Department of Justice and the US Marshall would get involved after the criminal was in custody.
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
So most likely Kate's escort was a bounty hunter, not a US Marshall. But then it would have had to have been a huge bounty on her head for him to bother traveling to Australia after her. I can't imagine a bounty hunter would be allowed to carry a gun on his person while on flight, so if he was only a bounty hunter, it he most likely wouldn't have been carrying one.
sdogTSOLRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
More notes: In Jack's next FB there is a tux guy and a minister. I think Jack was engaged and his pregnant wife/fiancee was killed in a car crash--driving him to drink or just loose it. Maybe he didn't find out she was pregnant until after she died? Minister could be wedding or funeral. I also have thought for a while that the red shirts are a church group. Just because I've been on flights with similar groups and they all wear the same t-shirt. Rose (red) is religious. Maybe her husband is a minister--see where I'm going with this?
MaetrenaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
- First, if there was two law enforcement people on the plane, then wouldn't there be a total of six guns... So where's the missing gun?
- Also, Sawyer said he got the gun off a dead body, but then in Homecoming, he said that he got it from Kate's marshal. So what's up with that contradiction?
- Just because there was another law enforcement officer on the plane, doesn't mean that he was escorting a convict back to the States. He could be escorting a star witness/informant back to the U.S. -someone who might have helped Americans/ Australian authorities break up a terrorist plot and who either was getting asylum in the U.S. because of it or needed to testify in a U.S. court to put the bad guys away.
- Sayid's episode is called the Greater Good... As in doing something like turning in former colleagues/ friends for terrorist activity for the Greater Good....
Okay now on to Jack:
I thought that Do No Harm was supposed to take place in between ATBCHDI and the White Rabbit unless TPTB drastically changed the plot, which I get that they sometimes do...
- My theory = Jack's life was going pretty well up until the botched surgery. He was getting married, his career was taking off, etc. But the ATBCHDI's string of events ruined everything, and once again, he allowed his dad to turn his life into a living nightmare.
OneisLostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Whatever the deal was with Kate and her faux Marshall, it was very personal. He was spewing too much venom in her direction for it to be anything but personal.
Welcome to all our lurkers! Come on in, grab a corner and commence mumbling. :0p
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
- Just because there was another law enforcement officer on the plane, doesn't mean that he was escorting a convict back to the States. He could be escorting a star witness/informant back to the U.S. -someone who might have helped Americans/ Australian authorities break up a terrorist plot and who either was getting asylum in the U.S. because of it or needed to testify in a U.S. court to put the bad guys away.
The star witness angle crossed my mind too... especially in regard to Sayid, but even Kate for that matter. Could you imagine if Kate THOUGHT she killed the man she loved, but someone else actually did it and she was being brought back as a witness that would end up convicting the real killer? And now she never knew, because of the crash? Not sure why the bounty hunter would say she's very dangerous though... if that was the case.
Sayid being a star witness does make sense.
lizpeppermintRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
You're right Maetrena -- so where is the gun from Kate's Marshall? Kate said the the guy escorting her had five... Four in the case and one on his body. Sawyer said he snatched his gun from a dead Marshall. Was there confirmation that Sawyer was telling the truth? Also, I don't know if this matters but, there could have been 2 Marshalls on the flight just to have Marshalls on the flight (pretty common after 9/11). They did not need to be escorting anyone. So there is a possiblity there are at least 2 more guns out there.
Adding more fuel to my theory.... Sawyer mentioned that the guy sitting next to Sayid died and he also mentioned that he got a gun off of a dead U.S. Marshall. So just put two and two together. Sawyer saw Sayid acting suspicious and he was sitting next to a dead U.S. marshall, so of course he's going to think something's up.
sdogTSOLRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
From the FAA website Only those persons performing official duties that meet the "need" criteria described below would be permitted to carry firearms aboard the aircraft. The criteria of need to carry firearms aboard aircraft are defined in proposed § 108.213 (a)(2) as: (i) Providing protective escort (assigned to a principal or an advance team). (ii) Conducting hazardous surveillance operation. (iii) Providing prisoner escort. (iv) Status as an FBI Special Agent. (v) Traveling as an FAA Federal Air Marshal on mission status. (vi) Traveling as a law enforcement officer on official duties required to report to a new location armed and immediately prepared for duty.
Accordingly, in paragraph (a)(11)(iii), the FAA proposes to change the seating requirement for prisoners under escort and provide for seating the prisoner in the rear-most seat available. This will permit the air carrier latitude in assigning seats to escorts and prisoners under their control throughout the flight itinerary of the escorted prisoner. To further ease the implementation of the air carrier logistics for the transport of escorted prisoners, and minimize the opportunity or occasion for the prisoner to create a security risk to other passengers, paragraph (a) (4) proposes that the armed law enforcement escorts(s) notify the air carrier at least 24 hours before the scheduled departure, or as far in advance as possible, and notify the air carrier of any preexisting medical conditions of the prisoner generating unusual behavior that could pose a threat to the security of the flight.
SonglineRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Two things hit me this time around during Hearts and Minds:
One: Locke said to Boone, after his experience, "Follow me". I'm not saying Locke is a god, I don't think that, but the fact that the words of Jesus are used might be significant. Boone took nothing but his knife... he left everything behind (campfire, safety, family, the rest of the group) and followed Locke. Boone is most definitely a disciple.
Two: I didn't realize how much Locke lied the last time I saw this ep. He lied with ease to Jack and Sayid, and he is believable. I love the character, and I am not convinced he is evil. I guess I believe he has his purposes, but I didn't see this last time, and it's important.
Please overlook this if it's been mentioned before, I don't remember seeing it but this is one long, incredible thread.
OneisLostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Was flipping channels tonight. Did notice the officer's eyes that Boone was speaking with. One was light, one dark.
Previews-the new plane must have disturbed the magnetic wave when it came in. That is what is making Locke sick, possibly Sawyer too. Will have to see how the sequence of events plays out.
sdogTSOLRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
One thing that popped out at me last week, and then this week - the second time I watched those episodes... is when Locke said to Boone last week, when throwing him the flashlight, "You'll need this more than me."
And then tonight, when giving the compass to Sayid, "I don't need it anymore."
He doesn't need a flashlight at night, and he doesn't need a compass. He knows the island so well by now that he can navigate at night without lighting, and during the day without a compass. Relies on the stars? His other senses? WAS he on this island as a child, and that's why it feels comfortable to him?
The previews for next week look WILD!
So, I wonder if Sawyer used to suffer from migranes before crashing on the island, that in the same way that Locke is experiencing difficulty with his legs again, Sawyer is getting migranes again?
sdogTSOLRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
So, if Charlie's tape is bandages, that doesn't connect the 15-ATE to anyone.
Neesy, that would be hilarious if Boone were actually competent and it's all been an act.
Terq, thanks for clarifying "a year ago" and confirming Hurley's breakdown. That means he'd have met Lenny and first heard the numbers at that time.
One, I doubt that Jack would have been in the same institution as Hurley, but there could be a doctor who worked at both of them. On that topic, it might be best not to resurrect the thread discussing the Jack spoiler. It's probably gone the way of the tesseract thread by now and I've been told it better to not mention it by name for fear of last minute editing.
Mae, where did you get the idea that Do No Harm would take place after ATBCHDI? I've always assumed that some of it would take place before and some after.
I agree that Jack lost a wife or girlfriend and child. It explains the importance of 'pregnancy,' the closer identification with the husband than the doctor, his uneasy relationship with Claire's pregnancy and his part of his reluctance to get closer to Kate. I think this, along with his Daddy issues led to the above.
It's interesting how many of the things Sawyer has said that we've just dismissed as sarcasm or humour. I think there's a lot more truth there than we realize.
Mrshen: Maybe the marshal is not really the marshal.
EXACTLY!
How was Kate's Marshall identified as a Marshall? I don't remember exactly how that happened.
Several people are lying here. Since the badge and gun belonged to the other Marshall, Kate and Sawyer both know this, yet they are letting everyone, including each other believe they belonged to Kate's Marshall. Why would they do this? Sawyer's reason would be to prevent anyone finding out that he's the prisoner, and he's probably figured out that Kate was the other prisoner -- Sawyer doesn't miss much. But what about Kate? Does she not want to risk exposure either or is there something more to it? If Kate's Marshall carried his gun onto the plane, what happened to it? Likewise his badge? Kate must have them. If she is a former (or current) agent herself, could she have recognized someone as a criminal and does not want to blow her own cover?
From the Diary, Night 16:
It's scary to think, but we really don't know who we're stuck on this island with. Someone could be a pedophile or a drug addict. For all I know, Larry could be a rapist- if his name even really is Larry. Gonna have to be a little more careful?
We know that Charlie is the drug addict, but who are the pedophile and rapist?
ME, about Locke no longer needing his flashlight and compass. Maybe he had already found what he's been looking for. Before they found the hatch, he asked Boone, "Can't you feel it? ... IT?" Maybe he already knew the hatch was there.
Looking forward to those previews. The show's just starting here.
MaetrenaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
I always thought that the botched surgery was the main catalyst for the incident that I won't discuss.
As for the missing gun, I agree that Kate had some sort of job in the military or law enforcement, because she's pretty awesome with a gun, but I don't think that Sawyer's the other prisoner. If he was brought in for questioning over Daddy Shephard's death, he would have definitely been let go, and if he had been brought in for NotSawyer's murder or possession of a gun, they wouldn't have extradited him back to the U.S. He might have been extradited for other crimes, but I don't think that the Australian police would know about a small time conman.
That last statement in my stream of conciousness question also confirms the fact that something weird is going on with the Marshall. Yes, Kate's crime was worse than Sawyer's cons since she was involved in an armed robbery; however, why would the marshall come all the way down to Australia to pick her up. Wouldn't the local police just arrest her instead?
fedrich519Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
it might be best not to resurrect the thread discussing the Jack spoiler
Sorry cac, didn't know or didn't remember there was one.
fed? in a funny way or because ya know something?
I want to know what was up with the freaky deaky eyes on the police officer. Did he spend a little time on the island? Does the exposure also cause permanent dilation of one pupil? Why him? I was trying to get a good look at Locke's eyes at the end of this episode but didn't. Are anyone else's pupils dilating unnaturally?
Now mate they can ask a lot of you as an actor but taking something to dialate the eyes? Not sure it's legal. I know it wouldn't be for the set animals, with AHS. I mean, what's the use of being called actor if you're just going to do the real bit? Wouldn't that make is a reality show instead of a drama? And if there is religion in Hollywood TVland, it's don't mess with the Emmy categories. I know most everyone in Hollywood is a snorter or one sort or another, but could they make you for a scene? Will have to look into that. Betty Ford Redux.
cac120Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Having your eye dilated and then someone pointing those bright TV lights at you. That would be torture. I think they use contact lenses for that sort of thing.
One, A's asked us several times why no one has ever left the island. If she's assuming no one has, we probably can too.
I finally saw the preview everyone's been talking about for hours. Very intriguing. We were wondering what Locke had given the island to regain the use of his legs. Maybe it was given him on credit and he hasn't given the island what he owes it.
I suspect the 'hello' is not coming from the outside world. Maybe an Other or yet someone else on the island.
Looks like i was right about the drug plane crashing in this episode. Now we just have to wait and see if two French people get out of it.
Jack may not want to treat Sawyer unnecessarily because in the past he has done this and it only made things worse.
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she_lost_coloRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
I really wouldn't know where to start on what you guys have going with the Marshal. I have posted about him before many months ago, don't think they are retrievable since they were in 2004.
One, to answer your question...both.
abraxas1954Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
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Locke said to Boone last week, when throwing him the flashlight, "You'll need this more than me."
And then tonight, when giving the compass to Sayid, "I don't need it anymore."
He doesn't need a flashlight at night, and he doesn't need a compass. He knows the island so well by now that he can navigate at night without lighting, and during the day without a compass. Relies on the stars? His other senses? WAS he on this island as a child, and that's why it feels comfortable to him?
I still think this is explainable from Walkabout:
"Not that you would understand, but a Walkabout is a journey of spiritual renewal, where one derives strength from the earth. And becomes inseparable from it. I have vacation days, I'm going, Randy. I've already made a reservation."
I can't figure out if messing with the hatch is making Locke's physical problems come back, or if (as someone else said, cac I think) the new plane disturbs the electromagnetic field and that's why it's happening.
My husband watched the preview twice, and he says he thinks the plane is old, maybe WWII. If that's true, is it from the past, or is it refurbished? He also said the radio in the plane looks more modern than the plane does.
pysk_Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
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I don't think Marshal, was A marshal. I think he was a bounty hunter named Marshal. I'm just reaching. But, I find it strange for any Marshal to go the whole way to Austrailia to pick up a bank robber. Even an armed one. She didn't take anything but the little plane, and the only people she shot were her fellow robbers. Unless she had the wanted poster in Austrailia for something ELSE she did and we haven't learned it yet. Also, like someone else said, why wouldn't the local authorities arrest her and hold her for a U.S. Marshal? Why, when Ray made that phone call, the U.S. law enforcement agency didn't call the locals, isn't that standard precedure? To involve the locals? I don't know, but since the very first time I watched the whole Marshal stuff, it just didn't sit right. He was there too fast to pick her up, and he was WAY to familiar with her. Calling her nicknames and stuff and telling Jack all that don't trust her bit. He knew her personally and isn't that a conflict of interest? Very unprofessional for a U.S. Marshal.
(Maybe I watched The Fugitive to many times )
OneisLostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Psyk, bounty hunter named Marshal. Bwah ahahaha! Good one!
Fed, I was thinking contact lenses not tootin' up. Geez. And you are being deliberately obtuse about Marshal. >:0p
Eyes, I was going back to the question, "why these people?" again. When I noticed the dudes eyes, because we've seen this with Locke in Claire's dream, it occurred to me that maybe the whisperers or Ethan's group had sent people to Australia and elsewhere to recruit new folks for whatever they need. The officer made a point of Boone's statement about not being blood relations. That coupled with his eyes set me off in this direction. If anyone has tapes and is watching again, can you look for this? Different eyes, light/dark on people our Losties encountered in Australia or elsewhere? People that directed them to this particular flight? Maybe A was asking us the question about no one leaving because someone did leave.
New plane, I think the person on the radio is from the outside world because I think the new plane somehow has disturbed the magnet field and the barrier is temporarily down. Someone will be scrambling to fix it though.
MaetrenaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Adding another tidbit to the Sawyer, Sayid, and Locke discussion.... In Confidence Man, Locke provided Sayid with a knife and basically convinced him to attack Sawyer. Why would Locke specifically mention Sawyer? Was it because he wanted Sawyer dead for some reason?
lizpeppermintRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
so maybe Locke sees Sawyer as a threat? Sawyer is very perceptive and so is Locke.... Locke doesn't want Sawyer catching on to his scheme (whatever that may be?)
cac120Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
In WTCMB, Kate starts to refer to the marshall as 'he' (or it might even be his name) before stopping herself and calling him "the marshall." Another sign of familiarity between them.
Neesy1967Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Had to catch up again...love reading what everyone wrote last night.
The guns and the marshall(s) have my head spinning...not much to add to that.
I do think if Sayid was in the back of the plane handcuffed and being held prisoner, he is being falsely accused. I remember a hint from Ada (thank you by the way) stating "Your friend asks that you do not think terrorist .
Maybe he was assumed terrorist just like Sawyer had assumed.
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
so maybe Locke sees Sawyer as a threat? Sawyer is very perceptive and so is Locke.... Locke doesn't want Sawyer catching on to his scheme (whatever that may be?)
Lizpeppermint, I mentioned the other day in a post that Sawyer and Locke are very much the same in the ability to observe and read people, and situations... as you mentioned above. Locke may have realized this early, and he may also be feeling that Sawyer is one of those he can't manipulate, like he can Boone, Charlie and many of the other
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Losties.
I don't believe for a minute that Locke just HAPPENED to be out scavenging for wreckage when he ran into Kate and Sawyer during Outlaws. I think he was following them, and evesdropping. Do you think Locke might be the one poisoning someone... poisoning Sawyer? Sawyer might be bartering with Locke for rat meat and other food. And Locke knows how to concoct drugs from the vegitation...
I suspect the 'hello' is not coming from the outside world. Maybe an Other or yet someone else on the island.
cac, could also be the pilot of the small craft - perhaps this will be our 15th regular.
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MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
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Now mate they can ask a lot of you as an actor but taking something to dialate the eyes?
Furphy, are you saying the actors eyes were already like that, naturally... two different colors and unequal pupil dialation? I ask because I know it is definitely possible for a person's eyes to be like that - I know someone very well whose eyes have been like that since birth.
Still could be a contact thing, but it's possible. It's often a sign of something called Horner's Syndrome:
Horner's syndrome is due to damage or blockage of the path of the sympathetic nerve which travels through the neck and brain from the affected eye.
Symptoms: This leads to a sunken eyeball (enophthalmia), constricted pupil (i.e., miosis) that does not react to light normally, droopy upper eyelid (ptosis), and slight elevation of the lower eyelid.
Pronounced lack of sweating (anhidrosis) on the forehead above the affected eye, face, and neck.
Facial flushing may also occur.
Causes Parotid gland tumor Carotid body tumor Lymphoma Tuberculous adenitis Metastatic Cancer Brainstem Stroke Mediastinal mass
Not mentioned, is also often present is that the eyes can often be two different colors. It isn't uncommon for animals to have this syndrome as well (if you do a web search for Horner's Syndrome, you'll get a lot of hits for info about dogs).
So, not saying the actor has Horner's Syndrome, but it IS possible for a person to have such an eye anomoly already. However, if it the eye difference IS because of contacts, intentionally for the show, then it might indicate the character has Horner's Syndrome, perhaps the result of being a participant in the experiments on the island, or elsewhere (perhaps as a child?).
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
I finally saw the preview everyone's been talking about for hours. Very intriguing. We were wondering what Locke had given the island to regain the use of his legs. Maybe it was given him on credit and he hasn't given the island what he owes it.
Or maybe Locke just PERCEIVED that it was the "island" that enabled him to walk(much in the same way that he, somewhere in his own reality, PERCEIVED that his relationship with Helen was more than it was). I think his pain went away and he has been only to walk simply because of the electromagnetic waves (or field) that have been pulsing through the island. I think someone turns off the electromagnetic field/waves in the next episode, which is how the small plane gets through without tearing apart (and perhaps the field is turned off in order to LET the small plane get through). When the electromagnetic waves are stopped, Locke's pain returns (remember, Locke had been using an electrotheraphy pain control device at home, which works in a similar way, on a smaller scale.).
So, Locke is simply "believing" that the "island" has actually given him the ability to walk, and to live pain free. Remember, he told Claire he believes in a lot of things.
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Hi ME! I think he was joking about how drugs dilate the eyes and how Hollywood couldn't make them do drugs...It was a joke. I think Lockes eyes were contacts..which they could do but changing the eye's dilation would be going a bit overboard.
After watching last nights preview, It brought me right back to where I was months ago. I think the magnetic connection has something to do with the star cycles. If the Island is now moving away from the closest connection to the Stars, (Orion) the magnetic force would start to decrease. Leaving Locke back to where he was before the crash...in a wheelchair. I've been reading a lot about Orion, magnetics, DNA, prymids and how they relate to the solar cycles. Very cool stuff. If there was something magnetic on the island..or if the whole dang island is a magnet of some sort (meteorite)...the magnetic field between the island and the planets, could be wanning. Waxing could open the field up..and wanning could close it. Course, I could be full of cr**. But it gives me something to look into.
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I'm not sure if someone has pointed this out or not, for i haven't had a week to sit and read it all (wow there's a lot of good stuff here), but in the comic book photo of the horizon, Orion's belt is visible just ON the horizon. Aside from those stars, the others didn't seem very dense to me. Just an observation. And now i understand why no one answered my question last nite about who A is. I hope she is doing well today! Also, altho we don't see birds but we hear them, i noticed that i specifically hear major FLAPPING right b4 the "monster" shows up. This was very obvious in Hearts and Minds last nite! What else could the flapping be, since i don't believe it is actually wings flapping
Hi ME! I think he was joking about how drugs dilate the eyes and how Hollywood couldn't make them do drugs...It was a joke.
SLPY! I know it was a joke! That is SO funny that you thought I took it seriously! LOL!
But the fact that furphy was joking doesn't change my question as to whether the actor's eyes are naturally like that, or if the effect was done with contacts for the show.
To be honest, I thought that his joke was partially intended to imply that the actor's eyes really ARE naturally like that, as opposed to it being an effect for the show (NOT drug enduced, but contacts)... though of course, wasn't sure... which is why I asked.
But yes I knew it was a joke. Give me just a tad more credit, girl... k? LOL.
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fedrich519Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
OK, the lowdown on the Marshal. Remember this is just a TV show and the writers might not be very knowledgable on Basic Prisoner Transport and the goings on in the USMS. Let's get some stuff out of the way first.
**A Marshal will travel anywhere on the planet, from Mexico to Siberia to serve a warrant and capture a fugitive if the fugitive is wanted for something serious enough. Is bank robbing serious enough? Yes, it is. Is robbing one bank enough? No, it is not. Is robbing one bank and killing one or more people in the process? Very much so.
**A Marshal will coordinate with local authorites in the apprehension of a fugitive. Kate would have to have already been in custody or they had overwhelming proof that she was in country before the Marshal would have flown to Austrailia to go after her. The bottom line, the Marshal had to be VERY sure that Kate was in Austrailia.
**Do Marshals travel alone to apprehend a fugitive? Depends. If Kate would have been in custody in the states, the Marshal could have easily gone by himself for a basic prisoner exchange and brought her back to the states, but not on a commercial flight. But she wasn't in custody! If they were continuing the hunt down under for her, a full team of four or more would have been involved in the hunt and the local authorities would have been involved. That same team of four would be required to bring her back since she would be classified as a hig risk prisoner. Extradition issues would have come into play, Walt's mother Susan maybe?
**Someone quoted FAA regulations and was very much right. Those guidelines have been in place for a long time. But they are guidelines and usually the situation dictates the logistics of travel.
**The briefcase full of guns? Don't think so. If he was transporting weapons for some very odd reason, the weapons would have been secured in one briefcase and the ammunition would have been secured in another. Locke's briefcase of knives being checked in the cargo hold of the plane is a stretch for me, but the freakin arsenal? Nope.
**The ankle holster, nope. When transporting a prisoner on a plane, your weapon is in a shoulder holster on the opposite side of the prisoner. An ankle holster is too easy to be compromised in an emergency. The key to the restraints would not be easy to retrieve either.
**Someone else mentioned if more than one prisoner were on board, it would be a federal transport and not commercial, not true. If a prisoner were extremely dangerous, like Hannibal Lector criminal mastermind dangerous, they would most likely be flown back to the states on a military transport, otherwise, commercial flights are the only other way. In order to justify a JPATS flight (think Con Air) a lot more than two prisoners are needed.
**Sawyer said he got the gun off of one of the bodies, not a dead body. I really don't think that Sawyer was in custody, just doesn't make sense. If more than one prisoner were on board under custody of the Marshal's Service, the prisoners would be very much aware of each other. They would have been processed in the same facility, housed at the same facility prior to transport, put into restraints at the same facility, and transported to the airport together or in the same convoy together. What does that mean? Sayid having stood in line prior to the flight means he wasn't under the custody of the Marshals. Could he have been in the custody of someone else? I guess. What else does that mean? If there were two or more Marshals on board and more than one prisoner, Kate knows who it is and is being very quiet about it. I don't see Sawyer being quiet about it, at least not with Kate.
OK, so here is my serious conflict with the Marshal. I really don't think he is a Marshal, I didn't think so from the first episode. It just doesn't fit. Like I said earlier, if the hunt for Kate was continuing down under, a team of four would be looking for her. He would not be chasing a fugitve like Kate by himself. Picking her up in custody is different, but she was still on the run. Also, look back at the first few episodes, at NO TIME do you see the Marshal with any kind of badge or credentials identifying him as such. At NO TIME does he say "I am Deputy Smith with the Marshal's Service" or identify himself as being affiliated with the USMS in any way. Also, this a big stretch, so give me some latitiude on this one: Marshals travel on planes a great deal, the way the Marshal was rude to the stewardess bothered me a lot. It was unprofessional and not becoming of a Deputy US Marshal. I was waiting for him to slap her on the behind when she walked away, it wouldn't have surprised me. (I know, it is a stretch)
That being said, if he isn't a Marshal, how did he get a weapon on board the plane and store a private arsenal in the cargo hold of the plane? I don't think that a bounty hunter pulls that kind of weight. So, see where my conflict is coming from? If he isn't a Marshal or a Bounty Hunter, who is he? Does he work for SD-6? LOL!
But then again, this is a TV show and the writers are not all-knowing and creative license is needed for a good story. Being intimately familiar with something kind of ruins watching it on TV or movies. Not to mention I am nit-picking.
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slpyRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Good Catch Naughtypaws! I never noticed that one. The time tables here are clues for sure. We have Adam and Eve, Hunters and gatherers, pyramids, ancient Egypt, Phi, Astronomy, Astrology..too many connections about this to ignore.
About A. We just have to respect her privacy. None of us really know that much about her and thats the way it should be. She's just an awesome woman who is like a mother/sister/friend to us all.
terq6_9Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
When Sayid was knocked out, who ever did it destroyed the transceiver. It's been months since we did it but it was brought up in the scene where Jack is fixing Sayid's head at the caves afterward. I can run all over this board, or I can just give this to the thread that A says is doing great stuff with research. So here it is. Pretty big coincidence that
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Locke starts having trouble around the same time that another plane falls out of the sky, huh? A realized months ago that it's all related, posted hints in the story and so on, but she says you guys are the only ones that are gathering all of the ideas, and that's the big secret. Some try to solve the monster, some the Alex thing, some the hatch. All related, all seperate. That's the key. A says hi, and says keep having fun. Bye.
fedrich519Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
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Thanks so much, Terq - we feel special that you shared that with US! And such a compliment from A. that she thinks so highly of us. Give her hugs from me too!
By the way, did you read my post above... the one where I start out "Or maybe Locke just PERCEIVED that it was the "island" that enabled him to walk..."
I was wondering if I'm not too far off in my thoughts about the electromagnetic waves/field being the reason he is able to walk, and the reason the plane broke up... and when the electromagnetic waves/field is turned off, the small plane is able to get through intact, and Locke's pain returns, and he isn't able to walk.
Anyway, it's in the post above. Thanks again for sharing with us!
slpyRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
ME, I for one think you're are right about that. He is a complex one isn't he? About the dilation thing...Thank God you know a joke when you saw one..had me worried for a sec!
Naughty_PawsRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Here is something else i have noticed: there have been quite a few instances where someone had to "save" Jack. Now, he has issues with being the saviour, so this observation is probably not too obscure. Here is what i have so far: Kate saved him when she sewed up his back Locke saved him from falling off the cliff Hurley saved him (his sanity) by building the golf course Charlie saved him by popping his shoulder back in and finding a way out of the cave
I was wondering...was anyone involved in saving him from Ethan? also, can anyone else add to this list??
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ME, I for one think you're are right about that. He is a complex one isn't he?
slpy, are you talking about what I said about how maybe it's simply Locke's perception that the island is "giving" him the gift of being able to walk, pain free? Or were you referring to something else I said? Lots of complex "Hes" on Lost!
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Sorry ME. About Lockes perception of the island. I just can't get enough about Locke. Great writing going on there..oh and the acting isn't bad either.
fedrich519Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
She...hubby in law enforcement? If he is then he knows all about creative license. You have to turn off that part of the brain to enjoy movies and tv or it will drive you crazy.
Examples:
Anyone in the military knows that a grenade does not cause a fiery plume of fire. Just looks better on screen
Want to know what happens to the gas tank of a vehicle when you fire a gun at it? Nothing. Just looks better on
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screen.
Want to know what happens when you stab a guy in the gut? He falls to the ground and cries, doesn't die, just cries. Death is a better result for the screen.
Want to know what happens when you hit a bad guy over the head? He turns around and gets really ticked off at you, getting knocked out looks better on screen.
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
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Fed, that hitting the bad guy over the head is used a lot in the movies. I always wondered how it was so easy to knock someone out and/or kill them. And how to control which one you are attempting to do.
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
fed, what about that Volcan death grip thingie that Spock used to knock out the bad guys. Does it really work the same way we see it on Star Trek, or does it simply make the person go, "Ouch! Hey! Stop that!"?
Ok, JUST KIDDING - just teasing! Had to make that clear in case sply thinks I'm serious. heehee
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Naughty_PawsRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Naughty, I can't think of how anyone saved Jack from Ethan.
I also can't think of other ways that the other castaways have helped Jack. A doctor needing help - imagine that! Maybe that is another of Jack's issues - he's doesn't believe he's invincible... like many doctors seem to believe (like his dad seemed to believe).
Though, he does seem to take it extremely hard and personally if he isn't able to save everyone. This might harken back to feeling responsible for his child's and/or wife's death, if he was unable to save them (speculating that he did indeed have a wife and child, or pregnant wife).
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i will continue to watch, look, and think about it. i already have a whole list of the father issues surrounding each and every character. i figured i wouldnt put it here because i assume there is a post about it somewhere else!? If not, it's a great speculation to read! Lemme know please someone if i should post that.
Also, about this message board, how can i view the latest post first so i dont have to forward from page one?
annipadanniRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
anni, i think it's only being discussed because people noticed it last night, and not before. To be honest, I didn't notice it last night. I'll have to look more closely at the tape.
naughty, i'm pretty sure cac has a running list of the castaways and their daddy issues - I think it might be in one of the archived posts a the beginning of this thread... I'm guessing the post for "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues". Perhaps you have some ideas that can be added, if you're interested in sharing.
naughty...what about the situation with shannon's athsma? jack could not help her...sun stepped in and got it under control... maybe? not a life/death for jack save...???
naughty...what about the situation with shannon's athsma? jack could not help her...sun stepped in and got it under control... maybe? not a life/death for jack save...???
Anni, thanks for the info!! i have thought about this but it doesn't follow the theme of someone else saving Jack. Unless you look at it as Sun saved Shannon instead for Jack. But i was thinking more along the lines of a direct and obvious save.
i'm gonna check out the daddy post. also, i believe i read the synopsis pages a while ago. printed them actually. anyone know what happened to Qtcom? was that his name, the physicist? he puts the "logical thoughts on..." thread each week. are Cac's synopsis pages all in the same thread, or each separately? LOVE to LOST ps how did this post end up b4 the next one? I read the next post before i even put this one up!!!
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Naughty_PawsRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Anni, Im not sure if i'm missing somethin, but this link puts me back to the first page of this thread. I'm looking for the daddy discussion. I'm interested in the ideas and to see if i have any NEW ones.
<<Much prayer to Ada>>
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Anni, thanks for the link. I seem to end up on the first page of this tread tho and I didn't read anything on daddy issues there. Am I in the wrong place? i am looking for the daddy discussion I would love to see the ideas there and see if i have any that can stir up the pot!!
Thanks again!!
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Naughty_PawsRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Anni, when you said the daddy issue had been thoroughly discussed, i thought i was in for a whole thread of that! hahaha. I am going to post my summations here. I don't think it should be a problem, i tend to get a bit carried away with things i enjoy! (isnt that why we're all here lol) I wrote the following (except for hurley's) a week before Numbers.
Well, here's to my first loooong post....CHEERS!!! I would looooove feedback and new ideas, if any....
Title: Don't they ALL have daddy issues???
Jack--- has unresolved issues surrounding the outcome of his father. Never having had a real relationship wit his alcoholic father, he struggled to follow in his father's shoes as a surgeon. Jack had become jaded growing up with his father's drunken talks, etc. He feels guilty for his father's death, feeling responsible for driving his father to the point of no return after turning him in to the authorities for operating under the influence of alcohol. After being blamed for his father's disappearence, Jack travels to Australia only to find he's too late. His father passed due to overconsumption of alcohol. He, in a way, acts as a father to the survivors by being a leader, a doctor, and a general peacemaker. I know there is an idea that he was once to become, or had become a daddy. Not sure yet. Jack's father is half of the only connection known by someone?Sawer. Jack's father always made him feel lke he wasn't good enough.
Kate--- has unresolved issues surrounding the outcome of "the man I killed, the man I loved". Although not confirmed, the implication is either a father or a lover. Her flashback story involved a father figure, i.e. the man who took her into his home. They used eachother for company and for help. He provided for her a roof, food, and an income, the same things a parent would supply. In the end, you know she has grown to love him because she ends up being caught while trying to be sure he didn't die in the crash she caused. The only mentions of her real father include him being in the military, teaching her how to track, and taking her hiking.
Charlie--- has unresolved issues surrounding the outcome of his band and the events leading to its demise. The opening scene in his flashback is him in a confessional talking to "the father". There is much symbolism in the brotherly affairs that indicate father figuring in the form of protection. One brother was always being portrayed as the "child". In the early flashbacks, it was Liam as the child and Charlie trying to assume the protective role. In the flashback right before the flight, it is Liam being the protective father figure over a still-using-heroin Charlie. There is direct symbolism when Liam makes reference to the fact that he missed his little girl's birth. Ultimately, it seems the main reason Liam turns down the offer for the band is because he is now a father and is happy in his life as it is.
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Charlie, in a way, acts as a father figure to Claire, trying to take care of her.
Locke--- Has unresolved issues about his childhood. Was a foster child, therefore probably never knew his real father or had a stable father figure. He mentions having a foster mother and sister, but never mentions a father. He says once to Walt that his father was not cool. But that's it. Locke, in a way, acts as a father to the survivors by trying to provide food and inner peace to each person via helping with specific issues they are tackling.
Jin--- has unresolved issues surrounding is undue shame of his father being a fisherman, and his unmoral behavior working for Sun's father. Sun's father is a powerful man who Sun believed would never allow her to marry just a waiter. Jin sacrificed his morals to be with Sun and agreed to work for his soon to be father in law. He tried to live up to her father's expectations even though it lead to the downfall of their marriage and his sanity. He is still lying and claiming that his father is dead. Immediately b4 the flight, he visited his father to try to make amends and come clean. He asked his father what he should do about Sun's father and his marriage. One of the reasons he doesn't kill the man he is sent to kill is because he sees that the man has a young daughter.
Sun--- has unresolved issues about her father and her marriage. Sun is intimidated by her father as we see when she suggests she and Jin elope to America. She shows disapproval when Jin tells her he is to work for him. Inside, she partly blames her father for the downfall of her marriage because she sees how hardened Jin is becoming having to do her father's dirty work. He is never home, they don't spend any time together or communicate. She is going to leave Sun and her father by fleeing the country. In the last flashback b4 the crash, Sun changes her mind remembering the love she and Jin had b4 her father came in between.
Sawyer--- has unresolved issues surrounding the murder/suicide of his parents. His father shot his mother and them himself in front of Sawyer. He always blamed his father for not being strong enough to get through the situation in a better way. He grew up his entire life battling the anger. He carries around a letter to the killer, Sawyer, that he wrote when he was a young boy. He assumes the killer's name as his own and makes the inner turmoil worse for himself when he kills the wrong man in revenge. We are led to believe he grew up with his grandmother. However, nothing is clear about his remaining childhood.
Claire--- Has unresolved issues surrounding her pregnancy and the man who left her right b4 she was to be due. Fearing the child will grow up without a father, Claire seeks adoption as an alternative. The only mention of her own parents is that her mother would disown her if she had the baby, and had already pretty much done so. I odn't rememebr mention of her father, only when her boyfriend says "Oh, don't throw your daddy abandonment Claire thinks her baby is a boy.
Michael/Walt--- unresolved issues surrounding their relationship and/or lack thereof. Michael was very happy and excited to be a father as we see from the get-go. He named Walt after his own daddy afteraall. He felt stripped of that when his GF took Walt away. She then forced her new husband to adopt Walt, becoming his legal father. She never told Walt about Michael, altho it is clear Michael would have taken Walt in a second. Once reunited, Walt and Michael both have doubts. Walt thinks Michael didn't care about him, Michael sees himself in Walt and fears he wont be a good father. Their issues are with eachother. Some think Walt's powers are also Michael's powers. Like it was passed from father to son.
Boone ---. has unresolved issues surrounding his relationship with Shannon. There was no mention, that I remember, about his real father and whether or not he even knew him. No mention of his relationship with Shannon's late father. His mother married her father when they were little, but he has always been in love with her. We learn that Boone's mom runs a wedding business that brings in a lot of money. We also learn that for some reason we dont know yet, Shannon feels she and her father are owed money. She repeatedly uses Boone to "rescue" her from her current father figure, paying the man money that she will then split btwn he and herself. Boone always comes to the rescue because he does love her. For once though, right b4 the flight, he learns the truth and it hurts.
Shannon--- Apparently her daddy passed away. (Someone said when she was 8. But that's when their parents got married, so I'm not sure about this) She blames the stepmom for her stolen inheritance, but I don't know what the truth is behind the fact that she got no money. Maybe that's how her daddy wanted it. She seemed to shack up with a lotta "Joe's". There could be abandonment issues there.
Sayid--- has unresolved issues surrounding his past as a man in the Republican Guard in Iraq, and the possible death of the woman he loved, Nadia. So far there is no mention of his family. There is no mention if he has any children either.
Hurley--- We know that he didn't have a daddy. Either he never knew him, didn't keep in touch, or he's dead. He loses his Grandfather within the first few minutes of his flashback. The priest at his grampa's funeral got struck with lightning.
OneisLostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Naughty, at the top of the first page of this thread there's a link to the last page. Sometimes we move too fast for cac to catch that link up but it's usually close. Less to wade through. ;0)
I would also suggest you peek at the synopsis cac's done for each episode and post anything you might have noticed to be added.
In keeping with the saving theme, who else has saved someone besides Locke?
Sayid saved Hurley with the ball of sticks by bringing his attention to it.
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Naughty, there is a synoposis of much of the discussion we've done about each episode at the start of THIS thread. If you go back to page 1 and take a look, you'll see.
I have thought about this but it doesn't follow the theme of someone else saving Jack. Unless you look at it as Sun saved Shannon instead for Jack.
I agree that Sun saving Jack doesn't really consitute someone saving Jack. If it is, then it really opens the door to almost anything, and then I don't see the relevance. I'm still trying to figure out the signifiance of others helping Jack as it is. I know has never wanted to be leader or seen is "savior" on the island, even though many have imposed that role on him - almost forcing him into it (perhaps he knows he too easily gets sucked in to that role and the responsibility it intails, like an addiction, and it is his demise -the stress of it all.. so he has to stay away from him...)
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sdogTSOLRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Fed, I posted the FAA regs on firearms and I'm afraid you are mis-informed about the regs.
You can have a gun and amo in the same case. (c) In checked baggage. A passenger may not transport or offer for transport in checked baggage: (1) Any loaded firearm(s). (2) Any unloaded firearm(s) unless?
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(i) The passenger declares to the aircraft operator, either orally or in writing, before checking the baggage, that the passenger has a firearm in his or her bag and that it is unloaded; (ii) The firearm is unloaded; (iii) The firearm is carried in a hard-sided container; and (iv) The container in which it is carried is locked, and only the passenger retains the key or combination. (3) Any unauthorized explosive or incendiary. (d) Ammunition. This section does not prohibit the carriage of ammunition in checked baggage or in the same container as a firearm. Title 49 CFR part 175 provides additional requirements governing carriage of ammunition on aircraft. [67 FR 8353, Feb. 22, 2002, as amended at 67 FR 41639, June 19, 2002] http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?type=simple;c=ecfr;cc=ecfr;sid=d33fd093da2e85a2d673d761109627b3;idno=49;region=DIV1;q1=weapon;rgn=div8;view=text;node=49%3A8.1.3.7.8.2.10.6
There seem to be some confusion about marshals An AIR marshal travels on flights to provide security?They do not transport prisoners.
Before 9/11 there were 33 US AIR marshals. W agreed to increase the number. They got 200,000 applications. The feds won't say how many AIR marshals there are now.
LEO-Law enforcement officers can carry loaded guns on commercial flights too. They do transport prisoners. The firearm has to be concealed and on the person of the LEO-no reg about where it is concealed.
1544.219 Carriage of accessible weapons. (d) Location of weapon. (1) Any individual traveling aboard an aircraft while armed must at all times keep their weapon: (i) Concealed and out of view, either on their person or in immediate reach, if the armed LEO is not in uniform. (ii) On their person, if the armed LEO is in uniform. 1544.220 Carriage of prisoners under the control of armed law enforcement officers (b) For the purpose of this section: (1) "High risk prisoner" means a prisoner who is an exceptional escape risk, as determined by the law enforcement agency, and charged with, or convicted of, a violent crime. (2) "Low risk prisoner" means any prisoner who has not been designated as "high risk." (c) No aircraft operator may carry a prisoner in the custody of an armed law enforcement officer aboard an aircraft for which screening is required unless, in addition to the requirements in §1544.219, the following requirements are met: (1) The agency responsible for control of the prisoner has determined whether the prisoner is considered a high risk or a low risk. (2) Unless otherwise authorized by TSA, no more than one high risk prisoner may be carried on the aircraft. (d) No aircraft operator may carry a prisoner in the custody of an armed law enforcement officer aboard an aircraft for which screening is required unless the following staffing requirements are met: (1) A minimum of one armed law enforcement officer must control a low risk prisoner on a flight that is scheduled for 4 hours or less. One armed law enforcement officer may control no more than two low risk prisoners. (2) A minimum of two armed law enforcement officers must control a low risk prisoner on a flight that is scheduled for more than 4 hours. Two armed law enforcement officers may control no more than two low risk prisoners. (3) For high-risk prisoners: (i) For one high-risk prisoner on a flight: A minimum of two armed law enforcement officers must control a high risk prisoner. No other prisoners may be under the control of those two armed law enforcement officers. (ii) If TSA has authorized more than one high-risk prisoner to be on the flight under paragraph (c)(2) of this section, a minimum of one armed law enforcement officer for each prisoner and one additional armed law enforcement officer must control the prisoners. No other prisoners may be under the control of those armed law enforcement officers. (e) An armed law enforcement officer who is escorting a prisoner? (1) Must notify the aircraft operator at least 24 hours before the scheduled departure, or, if that is not possible as far in advance as possible of the following? (i) The identity of the prisoner to be carried and the flight on which it is proposed to carry the prisoner; and (ii) Whether or not the prisoner is considered to be a high risk or a low risk. (2) Must arrive at the check-in counter at least 1 hour before to the scheduled departure. (3) Must assure the aircraft operator, before departure, that each prisoner under the control of the officer(s) has been searched and does not have on or about his or her person or property anything that can be used as a weapon. (4) Must be seated between the prisoner and any aisle. (5) Must accompany the prisoner at all times, and keep the prisoner under control while aboard the aircraft. (f) No aircraft operator may carry a prisoner in the custody of an armed law enforcement officer aboard an aircraft unless the following are met: (1) When practicable, the prisoner must be boarded before any other boarding passengers and deplaned after all other deplaning passengers. (2) The prisoner must be seated in a seat that is neither located in any passenger lounge area nor located next to or directly across from any exit and, when practicable, the aircraft operator should seat the prisoner in the rearmost seat of the passenger cabin. (g) Each armed law enforcement officer escorting a prisoner and each aircraft operator must ensure that the prisoner is restrained from full use of his or her hands by an appropriate device that provides for minimum movement of the prisoner's hands, and must ensure that leg irons are not used. (h) No aircraft operator may provide a prisoner under the control of a law enforcement officer? (1) With food or beverage or metal eating utensils unless authorized to do so by the armed law enforcement officer. (2) With any alcoholic beverage.
1544.223 Transportation of Federal Air Marshals. (d) Each aircraft operator must assign the specific seat requested by a Federal Air Marshal who is on duty status. If another LEO is assigned to that seat or requests that seat, the aircraft operator must inform the Federal Air Marshal. The Federal Air Marshal will coordinate seat assignments with the other LEO. (h) Law enforcement officers authorized to carry a weapon during a flight will be contacted directly by a Federal Air Marshal who is on that same flight.
Seems the writer did their homework.
I think Kate has her "escort's" gun
sdogTSOLRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
sdog, are these the same regulations you posted a few pages back, or new info? thanks for your diligence and thoroughness on the matter, and for posting the info. i think fed is speaking from actual professional experience and
If Locke's paralysis returns, he will need his wheelchair. I wonder if the tide washed it away or if the Losties moved it to their new beach location. I don't remember seeing it recently.
MaetrenaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Thanks, One. I just found the screen cap of Sawyer's "pool guy" and figured out it's the shootin' kind of pool... the game kind. I edited my post, so as to stave of further embarassment.
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Or so he thinks. Apparently not enough to keep him from having some physical difficulties. I don't think the "secret of the island" really has to do with "giving" the island anything, as Locke believes.
sdogTSOLRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
sdog, are these the same regulations you posted a few pages back, or new info? thanks for your diligence and thoroughness on the matter, and for posting the info. i think fed is speaking from actual professional experience and knowledge though. i also appreciate fed's willness to chalk some things up to creative liscense to some degree.
ME-first stuff was from FAA. This additional info is from Code of Federal Regulations. Current as of March 22, 2005.
fed said **The briefcase full of guns? Don't think so. If he was transporting weapons for some very odd reason, the weapons would have been secured in one briefcase and the ammunition would have been secured in another. Locke's briefcase of knives being checked in the cargo hold of the plane is a stretch for me, but the freakin arsenal? Nope.
**The ankle holster, nope. When transporting a prisoner on a plane, your weapon is in a shoulder holster on the opposite side of the prisoner. An ankle holster is too easy to be compromised in an emergency. The key to the restraints would not be easy to retrieve either.
This is simply not the case. Anyone can check an unloaded firearm and amo if they meet the other criteria.
Anyone can have knives in checked luggage-no other criteria required-just can't carry them on.
Therefore, in this case, no creative liscense needed.
reelylostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Can I ask if you know who this PearlSense idiot is? She's been wandering around the board making stupid blind statements like she actually knows something, but they aren't real ones like Ada gives us. There like these really general guesses. It's liking sitting in on one of those cheesy Las Vegas acts where the girl in the cheap skirt says "I am holding a ---- What is it?", and the clue is the w in what and it stands for wallet. And the word Can would tell the "seer" that it was a camera, and well you get it. But she's irritating the heck out me. She keeps walking in to threads and saying stupid crap like "My husband is a writer for the show, and he says watch the dog." Your husband was a writer for the show he'd be fired. Terq told us yesterday that she isn't tied to the show in any way, but she's driving me nuts with this attention getting stuff. Sorry to unload, but I found a post of hers in here and I was just wondering if you guys know who this boring nut is?
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No idea who she is, Reely, but I've noticed the same things about her as you.
Good work today, everyone. I like it when I come home and see you've all been working hard. I was doing some thinking myself this morning -- in my journal -- and as soon as I get it all typed up, I'll post it here. Some overlaps what you've been talking about, but I think I had some original ideas too. Back in a bit.
PlatosbrainRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
reelylost, please leave the situation alone. I am sorry I have not had time to return inquires, and would be more than pleased to do so now. Please call.
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OneisLostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Ah, Internet ******.... I've heard alot more interesting fake spoilers than this lady has. My favorite had to be the poster on IMBD who said that he snuck on the set and saw them filming the death scene with Sayid; I guess there was no security.
OneisLostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
ME, this perception thing with Locke, what if he thinks he has to sacrifice someone to the island? That would really be a tragedy.
One, I absolutely agree... very much. However, we don't know WHAT he feels he has to "give" the island... sacrificing a person might not be "it". What he feels he has to give. Will be interesting to find out!
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Plato, thanks so much for taking the time to come here and read our thoughts and ideas about Lost... and to share them with A. We appreciate your very kind compliments. If what we've done here might thrill A. in any way, then it thrills us beyond words.
Naughty_PawsRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Anni, thanks for the link. I seem to end up on the first page of this tread tho and I didn't read anything on daddy issues there. Am I in the wrong place? i am looking for the daddy discussion I would love to see the ideas there and see if i have any that can stir up the pot!!
Thanks again!!
<<Much prayer to A>>
annipadanniRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
people, do you realize we've ALREADY passed 800 posts on this SECOND thread? do none of us have 3D lives?
I have a theory abuot why Hurley had a nervous breakdown. It was because he became obsessed with a TV show... couldn't stop thinking about it and analyzing it. Had friends he chatted with online about it. He spent hours and hours researching clues he found, or thought he found, while watchind the episodes, over and over again. He soon was unable to sleep because he couldn't stop thinking about the TV show. He dreams were about the show... he woke to thoughts about show. Eventually, the lack of sleep and obsession took over his life, and his family had to do an intervention.
Yes, I do think that was it.
Naughty_PawsRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Anni, when you said the daddy issue had been thoroughly discussed, i thought i was in for a whole thread of that! hahaha. I am going to post my summations here. I don't think it should be a problem, i tend to get a bit carried away with things i enjoy! (isnt that why we're all here lol) I wrote the following (except for hurley's) a week before Numbers.
Well, here's to my first loooong post....CHEERS!!! I would looooove feedback and new ideas, if any....
Title: Don't they ALL have daddy issues???
Jack--- has unresolved issues surrounding the outcome of his father. Never having had a real relationship wit his alcoholic father, he struggled to follow in his father's shoes as a surgeon. Jack had become jaded growing up with his father's drunken talks, etc. He feels guilty for his father's death, feeling responsible for driving his father to the point of no return after turning him in to the authorities for operating under the influence of alcohol. After being blamed for his father's disappearence, Jack travels to Australia only to find he's too late. His father passed due to overconsumption of alcohol. He, in a way, acts as a father to the survivors by being a leader, a doctor, and a general peacemaker. I know there is an idea that he was once to become, or had become a daddy. Not sure yet. Jack's father is half of the only connection known by someone?Sawer. Jack's father always made him feel lke he wasn't good enough.
Kate--- has unresolved issues surrounding the outcome of "the man I killed, the man I loved". Although not confirmed, the implication is either a father or a lover. Her flashback story involved a father figure, i.e. the man who took her into his home. They used eachother for company and for help. He provided for her a roof, food, and an income, the same things a parent would supply. In the end, you know she has grown to love him because she ends up being caught while trying to be sure he didn't die in the crash she caused. The only mentions of her real father include him being in the military, teaching her how to track, and taking her hiking.
Charlie--- has unresolved issues surrounding the outcome of his band and the events leading to its demise. The opening scene in his flashback is him in a confessional talking to "the father". There is much symbolism in the brotherly affairs that indicate father figuring in the form of protection. One brother was always being portrayed as the "child". In the early flashbacks, it was Liam as the child and Charlie trying to assume the protective role. In the flashback right before the flight, it is Liam being the protective father figure over a still-using-heroin Charlie. There is direct symbolism when Liam makes reference to the fact that he missed his little girl's birth. Ultimately, it seems the main reason Liam turns down the offer for the band is because he is now a father and is happy in his life as it is. Charlie, in a way, acts as a father figure to Claire, trying to take care of her.
Locke--- Has unresolved issues about his childhood. Was a foster child, therefore probably never knew his real father or had a stable father figure. He mentions having a foster mother and sister, but never mentions a father. He says once to Walt that his father was not cool. But that's it. Locke, in a way, acts as a father to the survivors by trying to provide food and inner peace to each person via helping with specific issues they are tackling.
Jin--- has unresolved issues surrounding is undue shame of his father being a fisherman, and his unmoral behavior working for Sun's father. Sun's father is a powerful man who Sun believed would never allow her to marry just a waiter. Jin sacrificed his morals to be with Sun and agreed to work for his soon to be father in law. He tried to live up to her father's expectations even though it lead to the downfall of their marriage and his sanity. He is still lying and claiming that his father is dead. Immediately b4 the flight, he visited his father to try to make amends and come clean. He asked his father what he should do about Sun's father and his marriage. One of the reasons he doesn't kill the man he is sent to kill is because he sees that the man has a young daughter.
Sun--- has unresolved issues about her father and her marriage. Sun is intimidated by her father as we see when she suggests she and Jin elope to America. She shows disapproval when Jin tells her he is to work for him. Inside, she partly blames her father for the downfall of her marriage because she sees how hardened Jin is becoming having to do her father's dirty work. He is never home, they don't spend any time together or communicate. She is going to leave Sun and her father by fleeing the country. In the last flashback b4 the crash, Sun changes her mind remembering the love she and Jin had b4 her father came in between.
Sawyer--- has unresolved issues surrounding the murder/suicide of his parents. His father shot his mother and them himself in front of Sawyer. He always blamed his father for not being strong enough to get through the situation in a better way. He grew up his entire life battling the anger. He carries around a letter to the killer, Sawyer, that he wrote when he was a young boy. He assumes the killer's name as his own and makes the inner turmoil worse for himself when he kills the wrong man in revenge. We are led to believe he grew up with his grandmother. However, nothing is clear about his remaining childhood.
Claire--- Has unresolved issues surrounding her pregnancy and the man who left her right b4 she was to be due. Fearing the child will grow up without a father, Claire seeks adoption as an alternative. The only mention of her own parents is that her mother would disown her if she had the baby, and had already pretty much done so. I odn't rememebr mention of her father, only when her boyfriend says "Oh, don't throw your daddy abandonment Claire thinks her baby is a boy.
Michael/Walt--- unresolved issues surrounding their relationship and/or lack thereof. Michael was very happy and excited to be a father as we see from the get-go. He named Walt after his own daddy afteraall. He felt stripped of that when his GF took Walt away. She then forced her new husband to adopt Walt, becoming his legal father. She never told Walt about Michael, altho it is clear Michael would have taken Walt in a second. Once reunited, Walt and Michael both have doubts. Walt thinks Michael didn't care about him, Michael sees himself in Walt and fears he wont be a good father. Their issues are with eachother. Some think Walt's powers are also Michael's powers. Like it
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was passed from father to son.
Boone ---. has unresolved issues surrounding his relationship with Shannon. There was no mention, that I remember, about his real father and whether or not he even knew him. No mention of his relationship with Shannon's late father. His mother married her father when they were little, but he has always been in love with her. We learn that Boone's mom runs a wedding business that brings in a lot of money. We also learn that for some reason we dont know yet, Shannon feels she and her father are owed money. She repeatedly uses Boone to "rescue" her from her current father figure, paying the man money that she will then split btwn he and herself. Boone always comes to the rescue because he does love her. For once though, right b4 the flight, he learns the truth and it hurts.
Shannon--- Apparently her daddy passed away. (Someone said when she was 8. But that's when their parents got married, so I'm not sure about this) She blames the stepmom for her stolen inheritance, but I don't know what the truth is behind the fact that she got no money. Maybe that's how her daddy wanted it. She seemed to shack up with a lotta "Joe's". There could be abandonment issues there.
Sayid--- has unresolved issues surrounding his past as a man in the Republican Guard in Iraq, and the possible death of the woman he loved, Nadia. So far there is no mention of his family. There is no mention if he has any children either.
Hurley--- We know that he didn't have a daddy. Either he never knew him, didn't keep in touch, or he's dead. He loses his Grandfather within the first few minutes of his flashback. The priest at his grampa's funeral got struck with lightning.
annipadanniRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
naughty, it HAS been more thoroughly discussed... much more than you saw on the summary. Most of the real "meat" of the discussions - some very similar to your some of your thoughts - is back on the Part I thread. It would be impossible to repost it all in this thread, and would sort of defeat the purpose of this Part II thread. What you saw is a simple summary. Thanks for sharing your thoughts though! Good to read a fresh take, and to be reminded of some of our ideas as well.
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Naughty_PawsRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Thanks, Sea! I KNEW it had to be divulged more than that! I know how good everyone here is about ideas and research. I am almost finished with reading this entire thread. Last week though, i read a lot of the first thread but I must not have read the daddy stuff. I was skimming. I suppose i will look for that specifically. At work, i cannot be on the computer much because i am in a lab, but when i get some time, i will find some good ideas, paste them into Word, and print them at work so i can read them at the lab. I'm a sneaky one, eh? I will finish this entire thread tomorrow. keep thinkin!!!
cac120Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
We saw in the promo that the small drug plane flies in and then we were shown Boone in the cockpit calling "mayday" and a voice replies "hello." I haven't looked at guest stars for this episode, but the pilot (and passenger?) could be dead, missing or found alive by Boone.
We also see Locke stumble and ask why the island is taking back it's gift. At first, I thought that "hello" was coming from somewhere on the island, most likely from an Other. Now I think it means that the tesseract/portal/electromagnetic shield is open for a time when the drug plane arrives. While it's open, the island is relatively normal -- communication is possible with the outside world, planes can fly in (but then crash) and Locke can't walk.
As with everything else on the island, the deus ex machina is a mirror image of what it would be in the real world. Instead of an unbelievable twist, maybe we should be expecting a time of normalcy. I don't think the 'window' will be open very long and, when it closes, Locke will once more regain the use of his legs and Boone won't be able to talk to "hello." The plane must crash while it's open, though, or else Boone wouldn't be able to hear the voice.
While we're talking about mirrors, a tropical jungle is the mirror-world of the arctic.
What does this have to do with Sawyer's headaches? Were they something he suffered from in the past that's creeping back in through the open 'window'? Are they the result of poisoning? Does the change in the electromagnetic waves cause them? This last one would be my guess. Jack's reluctant to treat him unnecessarily because of "Do No Harm." He has done harm in this way in the past, I predict, to his pregnant wife. Kate will be mad at Jack but I think Sun will cure Sawyer with the herbs she showed Jack. (And people are complaining about the reruns.)
Since Kate must know that it isn't her Marshall's gun and badge that Sawyer has, why is she covering it up? Could Sawyer be a wanted criminal that she was once assigned to catch? Is she still on the case and that's the real reason she keeps following him into the jungle? When she helped Jack and Sayid interrogate him, had she done that before? She was pretty sure that he didn't have Shannon's meds. Has she been trained to know when people are lying? According to Alias, the CIA recruits the children of agents. Is this the case with Kate? We know her father was in the army. Could she be Military intelligence? Like Sayid. What could the little plane have to do with this? Was the man she loved and killed a fellow agent? Was her Marshall? Why was she going to Bali? Is this connected to Sawyer being in the police station? The Sawyer FB immediately precedes Kate telling Sun about Bali in H&M. Those scenes have to be juxtaposed for a reason and I'm reluctant to think it has anything to do with Boone or Shannon.
Could Kate be poisoning Sawyer, then? Does he know something about the man she loved and killed? Does he have a message for her too? I think she wants to find out something from him, so I doubt she wants to kill him. Unless it's because he knows too much and she's afraid he'll expose her. She knows her secret's safe with Jack, but Sawyer would use it to his advantage if he had the opportunity.
When Jack threatened to withhold Sawyer's meds, Sawyer said Jack couldn't do it. Jack told Sawyer he'd be wrong about that. What if Jack's 'doing no harm' to his wife wasn't inadvertent? What if he 'helped' her die after an accident? That would certainly provide a lot of guilt, enough for what we think is coming, anyway. It would also
I was not mis-informed, trust me. You did your homework for sure and I hope you stick around, your knack for research is a gift.
FAA regs say a lot of things. The regs you quoted are what is acceptable for the FAA. Just because the FAA says it can be done that way, doesn't mean that law enforcement agencies think it is a good idea. If the speed limit is 65, that is the fastest acceptable speed you can drive, doesn't mean everyone does it. The policies and standards of various Federal Law Enforcement agencies differ greatly from what the FAA dictates on the transportation of weapons and ammo. The knives I will give you no problem, never had any need to mess around with knives so I really didn't know. Still think it is a stretch.
FAA regs are not going to dictate where a Marshal would carry his firearm, they only state where he CAN carry them. By regulation he could have carried it in an ankle holster if he chose to do so, but the decision would not have been a wise one. Why? It is what is taught in Basic Prisoner Transport and it is just not a wise thing to do in the close quarters of an airplane cabin.
OK, back to your FAA regs. If the average Joe Blow showed up at the airport with a briefcase full of weapons and ammo, I really don't think it would be a pleasant encounter. That is just me. I don't work at an airport so I really don't know, I just can't imagine the encounter being very pleasant or that simple. I also imagine that a lot of forms, paperwork, and advance notice are required. To say that ANYONE can transport firearms in checked baggage is also not that simple either. First of all, you have to be permitted to own the weapons and the weapons would have to be registered. And I also doubt you can just walk up to the baggage check in without prior notice. Once again I must emphasize, just because the FAA says you can transport weapons and ammo under those guidelines, doesn't mean that it is done that way by law enforcement. At least I have never heard of it done that way. Weapons and ammo are stored separately for transport, just safer and more responsible that way.
The specifics of the number of officials traveling with prisoners is pretty clear cut, no arguments from me. The Marshal did say to Jack that she was dangerous, and she was involved in a violent crime, so she would qualify as high risk. I didn't really think of that in my earlier post, so yes, you are right, two Marshals would be needed. I guess I am a bit rusty on single officer transports, never dealt with it firsthand. So I guess the Marshal traveling alone to bring Kate back is out the window, guess I need to change that, thanks for the clarification, good job.
Still don't think he was a Marshal. I found it very odd that you never saw a badge on him and he never identified himself as being affilated with the Marshals Service.
ME, you think I am speaking from professional experience? Nooo!!..I am a Sanitation Worker for PoorWayFaringStranger and I watch way too much TV!
I knew I should have sat this one out! LOL!
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PlatosbrainRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
That would make me the monkey's uncle. As always Fedrich, you have a tremendous knowledge base which adds to any discussion. Thanks, I learned a great deal just now. Ada sends greetings and asked that post you a clue.
"There was a significant moment in Numbers where a threat was made. What was thought to be a humourous exchange was not. One threatened, and the other understood that the first had seen something. Will someone die because of it?
Did you see it?"
She says she didn't want you to get bored, and she hopes that you have fun. If there is not information here, I will give you more tomorrow. She woke about an hour ago and was scribbling within minutes. She asked if you had found this piece of the puzzle, and I tried to read the thread to see, but haven't seen it. She asked that I apologise if this is something you have already realised and dealt with. She asks that you have fun.
cac120Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
Plato, I'm happy we are able to provide A with something to take her mind off her troubles. No, I don't believe we've discussed this one and I think I'm going to have to watch Numbers again to catch the threat. As you said, I probably just dismissed it.
Love and thanks to you both.
fedrich519Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Part 2
I hope you don't mind me butting in here. I'm so in awe of you guys with this thread!!! But, Plato, you put a bug in me and I'm watching numbers again now!!! ha ha ha
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