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(With his notebook and pen in hand, Hurley walks up to John Locke.)

HURLEY: John, right? John Locke?

(Locke is busy rubbing aloe on dried hide.)

LOCKE: Is this about your census?

HURLEY: Yeah, you know, I thought it would be a good idea, you know --get

everyone's name and place of residence.

(Locke uses the palm of his hand and rubs the aloe into the hide.)

LOCKE: And who's checking on you?

HURLEY: (pauses) Uh ... me.

LOCKE: It was a joke.

(Locke takes a shoe and sprinkles some sand on the hide.)

HURLEY: Uh, good one.

(He rubs the sand into the hide.)

LOCKE: Yep. You already know my name. I lived most of my life in Tustin,

California.

HURLEY: Cool. And, uh, reason for travel? The reason you were in Australia?

LOCKE: I was looking for something.

HURLEY: Looking -- uh-huh. Right on. Something. So, did you find it?

(Locke stops working on the hide and looks up.)

LOCKE: No, it found me. (to Hurley) Anything else?

Is this the conversation you are referring to?

  OneisLost     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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Locke

 Yep. You already know my name. I lived most of my life in Tustin, CA.

Off to search about Tustin CA.

  fedrich519     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>

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From the Mantauk Project....

The Montauk Project finally came to end on August 12, 1983. On this date, a time portal was opened that connected Montauk Base with the USS Eldridge of 40 years ago, during the original Philadelphia Experiment. While this portal was being opened and maintained, several members of the project, who had become increasingly uncomfortable with the aims and designs of the project heads (and with the effect that warping time and space might have on the world around them) decided to bring the project to a crashing halt.

A code phrase was whispered to Duncan, at which point he released a "MONSTER" (my emphasis) from his subconscious. This creature, or 'Beast from the Id' materialized as a large hairy monster that smashed its way about the base, destroying and eating everything it could find. Meanwhile, one of the project members began cutting apart cables and conduits in an attempt to sever the power to the base transmitters and shut down the project. After smashing up and cutting apart enough equipment, the transmitter powered down and the Beast mercifully faded away.

  MEandthesea     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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Tustin Marine Corps Air Station was first commissioned in 1942, w ith the Navy Lighter Than Air (LTA) Blimps. The Air Station serv ed as a LTA base until it was decommissioned in 1949. In 1951, t he Base was recommissioned as Santa Ana Marine Corps Air Facility . In 1985, the Base was renamed Tustin Marine Corps Air Station. The Base's mission was to train and support helicopter squadron s. The Base was closed in July 1999 as a part of the Base Realign ment and Closure (BRAC). Past waste management disposal operations at the Base have resulted in contamination of surface water, groundwater, and soils. Contaminants at the Base include: jet fuel, aviation gas, oil, solvents, battery acids, and hydraulic oil. ` The cleanup effort at MCAS Tustin includes 16 IRP sites.

http://www.dtsc.ca.gov/database/Calsites/CALP001.CFM?IDNUM=30970002

  pysk_     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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I put in Tustin CA military history, look what came up

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/san_diego.htm

Lots of stuff here to explore.

  needcaffeine     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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To be consistent with the 40 year cycle, something happened August 12, 2003. Could this be related to what the diary writer is talking about?

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I also found this in Tustin, CA:

SSI Robotics

SSI Robotics develops and manufactures automated equipment for life science (medical device, laboratory and pharmaceutical), semiconductor and industrial use. Sales and service representatives are located throughout North America, Europe and Asia. We are ISO 9001 and ISO 13485 Registered, FDA Registered and GMP Compliant.

http://www.ssirobotics.com

  MEandthesea     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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Because Locke finally feels that he is accepted --- by a place, not people --- he has remained silent about something that is very dangerous to everyone.

I'm wondering if the water and food is contaminated, and he knows it? We learned in the epi. 19 description/spolier that Locke starts experiencing some physical difficulties, and Sawyer is developing some excrutiating headaches. Locke has been eating the rats - are the rats contaminated? Has Sawyer been bartering with Locke for some rodent meat - or is he being affected differently by taking in the contamination differently?

  pysk_     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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Ok, is it a stretch here then to guess that Lockes father was in the military and stationed somewhere very near Tustin CA?

If that is the case, perhaps we need to look at the time periods that we've found (with the philly experiment and stuff) to see what was happening in the military in that area at the same time?

  PoorWayFaringStranger     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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(Poor leaves the room quietly so as not to disturb the brainstorming)

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If that is the case, perhaps we need to look at the time periods that we've found (with the philly experiment and stuff) to see what was happening in the military in that area at the same time?

pysk, i posted a little bit of info i found about the Tustin base above. will keep looking though - good thoughts!

  needcaffeine     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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Excerpt from the folling site that delves into why the antenna was underground:

http://www.freezone.de/english/mc/e_conv05.htm

Interview with Duncan Cameron and Preston Nichols

DC = Duncan Cameron

PN = Preston Nichols

SS = Sovereign Scribe

SS: Regarding the Montauk experiments, you said the tunnel was large enough to drive a truck through; where did they drive the truck?

DC: Where did they drive the truck? Well it's a figure of speech that you can drive a truck through. There are all sorts of associated phenomena that pass through whether it be information or people or such.

PN: But first of all, get the truck underground.

DC: ... Something that wasn't ground level. It was underground. it was underground. All the time-space stuff was underground.

PN: It was at the summit with the Delta T structure.

SS: How far down was it?

PN: 1/4 of a mile, maybe somewhere between a thousand feet and 1/4 of a mile. It was way underground. This is according to our recollection. We have no proof of it of course.

SS: Could there be a reason for it being underground?

PN: The reason was essentially they built, see the Montauk time and space portal was essentially an artifact that came out of what we call a Delta T antenna. You have a picture of a big thing made out of wood with wires shaped like this. That's what we call the Delta-T antenna. The portal actually appears in the center of that. If you pump this thing right. They had trouble building this above ground because when they started to test above ground the fields from the transmitting equipment were so strong that they had to locate it low enough below ground that there would be a neutral point between the fields of the equipment and the building above ground and the fields from the antenna way below ground because at that neutral point sat the chair that he [Duncan] sat in........

.....Of course above ground there would have been certain construction problems. With making the thing below ground where they have the undergrounders making holes in the floor and pass the pipe and the wires through the floor and the thing up and you don't have to worry the wind's going to blow it down and this sort of thing. There's a number of reasons that it was underground.

SS: And also you said it would be harder to detect?

PN: Yeah, who's going to see it from the air?

(again, ignore any alien reference on this site.)

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Hello all!

OK, I was reading all this stuff about mind control and the like. Personally, this is more Fed's speed, it's like greek to me!LOL! Anyway, it got me thinking. Walt is the one who clearly can do things that normal people cannot. I mean, we all know that he can make things appear out of thin air, he can start fires, presumably with his mind, etc. What if it is mind control and Walt is much more susceptible to mind control because he is a child? Perhaps the adults are a little more difficult to control because their minds are developed and Walt's is not. Just a thought.

  pysk_     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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Ok, I keep going back to the birds thing, where are the birds? No sea gulls, on a beach?

Does whatever the experiment do, cause a sound or a vibration in the air or EM waves or something that keeps birds away? Like those mouse traps you plug in the wall, that is suppose to cause discomfort to the mice so they avoid the area?

  MEandthesea     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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I mean, we all know that he can make things appear out of thin air, he can start fires, presumably with his mind, etc.

fedwife... i'm not really sure that we "know" this to be true. i for one definitely don't believe that he can make things appear out of thin air, nor do i think he started the fire with his mind. however, i did use to strongly think he have some sort of mental abilities to "make things happen". that was, until i was told by a reliable source that "walt's thing is not what you think it is".

however, i do think children are a lot more "open" and intuitive than adults are.

  pysk_     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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What's wrong with Sawyer?

In what way?

Emotional

Physical

Mental

His moodiness? His problem with Michael making too much noise. His constant reading?

Does he have a continuous headache? If I remember right, he was rubbing the bridge of his nose and forehead. Is something causing this? Is he the first to exhibit symptoms of the illness?

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Speculation on how Lock was healed. (from same web site)

http://www.freezone.de/english/mc/e_conv05.htm

This is all pseudo science or sci fi but very interesting!

Regarding the transmissions:

Now what this will do for you simply: you plug the wire into the transmitter. Whatever you dump in here [input well] this array of coils and receiver will pick up the electromagnetic component just as the chair picks up Duncan's electromagnetic component, and will transduce it to be broadcasted by the transmitter. This is essentially a miniature Montauk. Not of the power that they had. And if you put your hand in the well, turn the device on, it would start building up your energies.

How you use Radionics equipment, them am three ways. You can do a diagnosis with a radionics tuner where you get the rates, that where you put the witness in the witness well, you rub the rub plate and you tune the tuner until you get a maximum stick. (As you turn a tuner knob with one hand, you are rubbing a small 'plate' with the other hand; when you get a feeling of stickiness on the plate the tuner is at the right setting.) All that's telling you is whatever you're conceptualizing in your mind scans from low to high on the dial is in resonance when you get the "stick". You get several rate number systems you're using, you get the rates [from the position of the tuner knob], you go to the phone book of rates, took it up and see [what the diagnosis is.]

Now over on another column they'll be reversing rates the antirates. So you set the device to those rates, you throw the switch that says 'broadcast', and what it does it feeds the thing back so it oscillates and transmits to the person the reverse rates.

Now what is actually happening here? All the device is doing, it' a concentration point that's connecting you the operator to the mind of the subject. As you're scanning through, you're interrogating the subject's mind as to what's wrong with the body. Then when you do the treatment, you're actually instructing the person's subconscious mind what to do. As we all know, the subconscious mind is what directly controls the physical body, and if our conscious mind and subconscious mind stays in touch with each other, our subconscious mind has a foothold in the reality that can regulate the body correctly. As we get more paranoic and more upset and more bent out of shape and more crazy, the subconscious mind looses touch with the conscious mind. It means now the subconscious mind loose its foothold into reality. It doesn't know how to direct the body anymore. That's when we get sick. This is one of the major theories.

Now, if someone comes over and hits your leg with a sledge hammer it's going to break your leg. That's not caused by the subconscious mind loosing touch with reality. But disease that develop from outside influences such as germs and such, can be traced, it's believed by this group of people, to the subconscious mind not running the immune system properly to eliminate that irritant, and you get sick. (Sawyer?? as a result of the torture?)

So what they try to do is find out, be interrogating the subconscious mind, what is wrong and telling the subconscious mind how to heal the body. The device itself doesn't heal. This is not a healing machine, this is just a broadcaster, what ever you put in the well for the primary witness, you can put any agent, thought form or whatever in the well just as you would with the radionics device. The energetic component of that stuff that you put in will tag along with the witness to the person and you can actually talk to the person's subconscious mind through this.

How you treat people -- there are three means essentially. The most common means is the reversing rate, which works psychically, by the people who designed the equipment. That's why you get the large book with all the rates and reverse rates in it.

Another way is through reagents such as homeopathic remedies, herbs, etc. which work on the subconscious mind and the subtle body. If the herb or reagent is purely an energetic effect, this will transmit the energetic effect to the person without using up the reagent.  (is this what Locke did to Boone? The "herb" helped Boone to see what his subconcious mind wanted to see in order to heal?)

Another mode they use was designed by Malcolm Ray in Britain. He made a box with two wells -- the reagent goes in one and distilled water in the other. He had cards that had geometric patterns or messages on them. The cards would contain thought forms. And as energy flowed from one well to the other well, it would impress the thought forms on the target well. The well does nothing with the writing or the ink on the paper, but it picks up and senses the thought that you put on the paper and transmits the thought to the subconscious mind.

  PoorWayFaringStranger     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>

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Pysk, they have been showing you something about Sawyer for months really. Physically, what's the story with Sawyer?

Hi Mrs! Glad to see you back! They haven't proven to me that Walt is calling things to him. What else could be going on there? Hmmmmmmm?

My Scottish mother is threatening to pull the plug if I don't rest for a bit. I can only hope he means to the computer. Talk to you all later tonight!

Have fun! And hey, in case I didn't say it before, WOW! You guys are great!

Fed, I'm with you. Little grey men don't come into my reality too much. I think we have enough to fear without searching the universe for it. But think of how our limited understanding of science at this time can mean we are stirring a pot that may overboil. It's not our there we have to fear, but our own need to feel that we know what we are doing.

Until the middle of the 1800's, doctors didn't wash their hands before medical procedures. We didn't understand what we were doing.

  MEandthesea     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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But think of how our limited understanding of science at this time can mean we are stirring a pot that may overboil. It's not our there we have to fear, but our own need to feel that we know what we are doing.

Until the middle of the 1800's, doctors didn't wash their hands before medical procedures. We didn't understand what we were doing.

ah! this is what makes me think that they did a lot of experimenting to trying and accomplish creating a tesseract, time travel, etc... but they had no idea what they were messing with in terms of their methods (eletromagnetic fields, etc)... and instead of achieving their destired outcome/goal, they instead created a lot of damage, harm and illness to people, and perhaps their minds (bt exposing them, etc).

  pysk_     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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How close am I here?

John Locke's father was in the military. That's where he learned what he knows, I'm guessing, if dad was the typical military lifer, he was a real hardas.s. Probably a heavy drinker. John was in foster care. Maybe his mother was dead and father was away on a mission. Foster care may have been just until dad was back.

John tries his hardest but can't live up to his father's high standards. Almost like Jack's father, "You don't have what it takes". Could be where, "Don't tell me what I can't do" comes from. A life time of good old dad always telling him he can't do it.

He learns to be quiet and watch. After deciding his son just doesn't have what it takes, he probably pretty much ignores him. So John learns by watching and reading.

This is really just a guess, but I'm thinking that in his FB, we are going to find that John's father had something to do with his being in the wheel chair. Could be from a drunken fight, an accident while he was drunk, or many other things, but, I think his father had something to do with it.

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Sawyer?

He is smoking, he's the only one we've ever seen smoking. It must be important. They've shown alot about it. The very first shot of Sawyer was with a cig in his hand, I believe. They showed him go to his luggage and get a new pack and lighter.

Also, the diary writer said something about starting to smoke, then sawyer wouldn't give any more away.

Could this be something?

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psyk, very true! we haven't seen any of the other passengers smoke. If there's any contamination on the island, smoking would just make him even more sensitive to its effects.

We've also seen Sawyer sitting on his butt - even napping... but i just associated that to being lazy. I would say he's been in the sun a lot, but he's actually often sitting in the shade, in his "tent".

I just found this about the Tustin, CA base - not sure if it means much - but covers the time of Mautak and other events - but not real direction connection mentioned... but this unit was all over the place.

sounds like Tustin is/was a marine helicoptor training facility:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/usmc/hmmt-164.htm

also, it looks like it's a satellite location for Camp Pendleton. (NOT be cofused with anything associated with actual satellites up in the sky - but satellite meaning, remote camp location).

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  OneisLost     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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Were all of these passengers sent into the tunnel as children? Maybe not Locke as he's older but, Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Sun, Jin, Michael could fit the timeline. Didn't the article say they used children that were between the ages of 10-13?

Did we ever figure out how old these people really are?

Going back to Jack's dad saying he had "special" skills. Did he learn them in the future? Advanced medical knowledge before it's time?

Sawyer smoking is a good catch cause the article also said something about the side effects affecting the lungs.

In Homecoming, Jack also asked Ethan to get Claire a drink of water. Noticed that reading transcripts last night. We keep seeing these water bottles all over the place. Is the water radioactive from waste?

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Something else I've noticed, but never mentioned. They all seem to be out of breathe ALOT. The slightest activity seems to require hard breathing. So if something is air borne, Sawyer being the smoker, would either 1. Be immuned. or 2. Be the first to catch it.

Depending on what it is. Say, a chemical in the tobacco, retards or kills the airborne bug? Or smoking has weakened the lungs, and allows it to latch on quicker.

  fedrichwife519     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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It seems to me that we are pointing at Sawyer to be the one who dies. Am I reading it wrong? I hope I am, because he's my favorite and it would break my heart. The smoking thing is interesting though.

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Or smoking has weakened the lungs, and allows it to latch on quicker.

i'd be inclined to lean toward this one, as it's been proven that smoking exacerbates complications from exposure to other environmental contaminents, like aesbestos, smog, etc... and more susceptible to virual and bacterial infections... since smoking actually damages the lungs.

i can't imagine smoking making him immune to a bug, but i can't say it's not possible.

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The only reason I said, my he's immuned because he does smoke, is because it's a more likely story line if 1 person is less likely to catch something, than 1 person is more likely.

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Hi guys! Wow! you've covered a lot! I'm in between baseball games but thought you might want to look at this site. Pay attention to the blood related things, forget the alien related things.

Is the antenna buried in the mountain? "Black Rock" Is there a nuclear reactor in the the water? Is their drinking water coming from the water used to cool it?

So many questions, so little time!

Here some good links from my bookmarks.

http://www.think-aboutit.com/Misc/orion_technology_and_other_secre.htm

Also here's a link to underground links.

http://www.think-aboutit.com/Misc/orion_technology_and_other_secre.htm

Have we told Poor that we love her? We do! We do!

BTW...Now I get the Peanut Butter and the Jelly Bean references. hee, hee. Jimmy and Ronald.

  MEandthesea     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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The only reason I said, my he's immuned because he does smoke, is because it's a more likely story line if 1 person is less likely to catch something, than 1 person is more likely.

VERY true, psyk! That is definitely a possibility! Good train of thought!

The only thing I was thinking is the the episode description for epi 19 says that Sawyer is experiencing excrutiating headaches - so I was thinking it doesn't sound like he's immune. But, I always keep an open mind.

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Now I get the Peanut Butter and the Jelly Bean references. hee, hee. Jimmy and Ronald.

slpy, were there peanut butter and jelly bean referneces? you mean, from Poor... or on the show? i remember peanut butter references on the show, but not jelly beans. not doubting you at all - just racking my brain trying to remember! my word - there is so MUCH to remember - so many details! And something as subtle as a peanut butter reference being a "clue". holy moly! what a show! what a SHOW!

and yes, we LOVE LOVE LOVE Poor! Yay! What fun!!

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Look up

M O O N, that spells moon.  Stephen King  The Stand

I worked in a nursing home for 3 years, and let me tell you what, there is absolutely NO doubt in my mind that a full moon causes changes in behavior.

Is that what we are suppose to be looking up at?

The full moon affects many people everywhere causing emotional instability and insecurity. Ask any hospital worker and they will tell you that more accidents and personal assaults happen during the time of the full moon. Why this happens is a question worth considering. Its been told me that the gravitational force of the moon is strong enough to cause the ocean to rise (causing high tide) and therefore it is possibly changing the gravitational effect on our glands and organs which can affect our moods.

During the night the full moon counteracts the gravitational pull on us from the Earth, and during the day its complete absence overhead would allow the Earth's gravitation to have an unobstructed affect on us. This gravitational difference between mid-day and midnight is the greatest during the days of the full moon (and new moon when the moon is overhead during midday and absent during the night). It is one explanation for peoples more erratic behaviour during this time (and also during the new moon for some people).

Other additional effects include the different wavelengths of light coming from the moon, and the full moons affect on our inner pathogens. The light from the moon, as all can see, is of a different combination of wavelengths and strength of light than what the sun gives us. It has been known for many years that different colors of light cause different emotional reactions in us; Red = passion, Blue = calmness, Green = clarity of thought, etc. It could be that the moons silvery color is at least partially responsible for some people's emotional instability. Also consider that all of us have inner pathogens (organisms that get their sustenance from inside of other organisms) including yeast, worms, protazoan parasites, virus, and bacteria. It could be that the day to night gravitational change causes a change in the activity of these pathogens such as possible increased activity which would increase their drain on our nutrient levels and increase the amount of metabolic byproducts they excrete into our blodstream (thereby making us more toxic).

Why the full moon affects some people more than others is also a good question. It's probably because either some have borderline glandular functions or because some have more pathogens. I personally believe that the most likely pathogen that contributes to the full moon effect is yeast (mostly in the intestines) of the species Candida Albicans. I believe this because too much yeast also causes a 'mooney' effect in people by causing them to feel 'overloaded' and 'stressed out' because of the loss of normal digestion and increased level of toxicity in the blood.

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Wow! I should have stayed home this morning. It looks like you've figured it all out while I was having coffee and picking up tomatoes at the farmer's market.

What's wrong with Sawyer?

When I read the spoiler about him having a bad headache, I thought it might be a clue. He's getting the illness, but what has he been exposed to that the others haven't? Ethan and the Others have it too. Furphy said, and I think it was about Danielle not getting ill in all the time she's been on the island, "Balance is the key."

Smoking.

Knife wound and antibiotics.

His hoard -- batteries, electronics, alcohol, ???

Reading -- Knowledge of Watership Down and A Wrinkle in Time

Sawyer and Kate swam in the other river.

Sawyer tended Sayid's signal fire while he was away.

Less physical labour than the rest.

Believed that the boar was the reincarnation of people he'd known.

1-Why is Locke, a man who we are told has never served in the military, so comfortable around games, knives, and operations which ARE military? ... What did Locke answer?

Is Locke looking for what took his father away? And the island and its experiment found him.

2-What was Kate's father?

Army, Ranger Battalian. Tracker.

Could he have worked on the island, specializing in keeping track of the subjects?

Was the toy plane his?

3-Who is Sayid?

Iraqi Communications and Interrogation officer. He probably knows more about what the Americans were doing than the Iraqis.

Why was he going to the States? Obviously, he had been cleared to be on the flight. Since his hands were under a blanket, he might have been hiding handcuffs, which would mean he was a prisoner. Whether it's voluntary or not, he's on the way to the States because of what he knows about the Americans, not the Iraqis.

4-What does Mr. Paik make?

Cars in a factory that is having trouble meeting environmental standards. Could these be military vehicles? Is he using some sort of military technology? Is he powering his factory with nuclear energy?

Looking up.

Ethan and the Others inhabit the treetops. Does this give them an advantage to drop down onto people? Is something up there making him ill?

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Guys, one last reminder. The connection between them all should be coming into focus now. If it isn't yet, it will be soon enough. Here are some hints to help you head in the right direction:

1-Why is Locke, a man who we are told has never served in the military, so comfortable around games, knives, and operations which ARE military?

2-What was Kate's father?

3-Who is Sayid?

4-What does Mr. Paik make?

They have given you so many clues that it's like not seeing the forest for the trees. Take a deep breath, back up, and stare at the whole picture.

My thought is that at least one of the parents of all the castaways was directly involved in the experiment, either as a consenting or unconsenting military or civilian "subject", or as one of the experimenters - which would have exposed the parent either way.

The objective might now be that "they" (government, or whomever), want to see how effected the offspring of the exposed participants are now, and if, as a result of their parent's exposure, that they might be immune if exposed themselves.

The children may have been taken because they want to keep them separate from being exposed, in case they need them for yet another study. Why didn't they take Walt? Perhaps he's older than the cut off age? I'm not sure about that one...

Anyway, it's just a thought - but considering all the military involvement of all the parents, that seemed plausible. I know we don't know of Sayid's father was military, but seems likely?

Oh, and to the hint to look up... I liked One's satallite idea (that WAS One's idea, wasn't it? I'm loosing track! my apologies if I'm wrong).

Another thought - ozone layer? Hole in the ozone layer?

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cac! Congratulations on one of the most intelligent threads on the board hitting 1000 posts!

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1000 posts!!! HOORAY!!!! 

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wow! fed and need! I noticed we were close to 1000 earlier today, but it didn't even dawn on me how close i was when i made my last post!!

wooooohoooo! thanks to everyone for all your contributions to this thread! and thanks to all who have given compliments!

thanks, CAC for starting this awesome thread!

hats off to CAC!!!

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hello everyone, wishing everyone a day of sunshine . there is a lot of great stuff in this thread. i will continue to read and catch up.

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Wow! 1000 posts. When I started this, I had no idea it would go on this long or cover so much territory. I was actually afraid that I'd end up talking to myself because no one else would be interested in the episode titles.

Thank you for proving me wrong. And for challenging me to think and for teaching me so much!

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ok, you guys, I'm on page 45 and counting. I think my eyes will cross before I get to the end, but I'm working on it! You guys are great and there's lots of wonderful stuff here. Reminds me of the black rock thread!!!

See you at the end soon...

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one phrase that sticks on my mind about locke is that he studied birds. this is a clue. you hear a bird in major scenes.

also sawyer told sayid "tides up" which means a full moon is coming.

are you still going with the tesseract theory? i think it is an excellent theory.

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The Birds -- We hear them but don't see them. Were they part of an invisibility experiment? Could the monster be a giant invisible bird?

The Tides -- The full moon caused the extra high tide that swept away the wreckage. The moon affects tides normally, but it's affecting the tide here in a stronger than normal way.

The Tesseract -- Furphy asked us what would happen if this were tried again. Alex is lost in a tesseract, but Danielle is using the transmission to call him back. The transmission isn't normally heard in the real world; only occasionally. This is probably when the tesseract is 'open.' It opened 16 years ago, when Sam heard the numbers and Danielle's ship went to the island. It must have also opened when Ethan's group arrived, when 'our' plane crashed and will open again when the drug plane arrives.

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Reading that very looooooonnnnnngggg article on the Montauk project they talked about using radio frequencies to change weather/time portal. Could the numbers be the frequencies that are needed to open/close the thing?

The weather thing jumped out at me too because of the Locke/Boone "it's gonna rain in 1 minute".

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Hey Me, you're not losing your mind.  I meant the beans that Sam counted. I took it to mean jelly beans. It may not have been. I think they are giving us these subtle clues that we could tie into a time or place.

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Someone was asking about the date 8-12-03, could this have been the catalyst date for all of our Losties to converge on Australia? We don't have a definate timeline but it would make sense.

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I haven't gone back to read any of the links yet, so I'm just going on what everyone's said here.

One, there's definitely something up with Locke predicting the rain. Something triggered the storm and he sensed whatever that was. I've wondered if that was the opening of a tesseract, but I don't know.

The numbers might be the frequency.

8-12-03, could this have been the catalyst date for all of our Losties to converge on Australia?

It's too early to be the date they arrived, but it could be the date that started them on the path to Australia. The day Claire became pregnant, the day the patient died, the day Kate started running, the day Locke first called Helen or booked his walkabout, the day Sayid was captured or contacted by the Americans, the day Shannon's father died, the day Jin and Sun met or were married, the day Sawyer met Hibbs, the day Jack's patient died, the day Charlie's band broke up, the day Walt moved to Australia, the day Hurley won the lottery. It's possible.

  MEandthesea     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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One, where did we get the date 8-12-03?

I never heard anyone ask about that - so I'm not sure of the context. What is in reference too, in terms of prompting someone to ask about it, or for us to be thinking about it?

slpy, thanks for explaining the jelly beans refernece - NOW i get it!! 

as far as portals and such go, don't forget that Poor said to not pay attention to the sci-fi stuff from your readings... to just focus on the more factual stuff.

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ME, the dates of the Philly Experiment was August 12, 1943, the Montauk thingy took place August 12, 1983 there is a connection to the two.

The earth cycle runs on a 20 year rotation so the next opening of the natural portal would have been linked to August 12, 2003.

http://joanocean.com/Portalopng.html

This is an airy/fairy site that talks about the earth's portal opening on that date.

cac, that's what I was trying to say. It was the date that started the ball rolling.

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Thanks for the explaination, One! I get it now. I guess I missed all that somehow. Information overload today, I think! Too much to absorb!

But man, we all done good!!! 

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This is a sign...thats my birthday.

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Thinking about how we've been told that the diary writer is telling us something - I've read through again this evening and these are things that popped out at me:

Day 13

Diary writer couldn't sleep, so gets up to go for a swim..

"I think I saw a whale this morning....

So there I was, floating in the ocean when I heard a sound like a steam vent blowing behind me. I turned around and saw this really huge shape going back under the surface."

Was it a whale (probably not!)... or man-made device... submarine? Observation telescope from below?

Day 17

"... now I have to worry what some sicko is doing to Clarire. God, it's like the nightmare is starting all over again! You can't tell me I survived that week in Louisiana to be thrown back into this again. I told myself every single day in the hospital is that all I had to do was stay alive. Survive and make it to the trial. And the rest of my life would be perfect - that's what this trip was supposed to be all about!"

I've been trying all evening to find something that happened in Louisiana - a hositage situation... kidnapping... something. It would have to be something that happened to a group of people, I think... because we're not trying figuring out what happened to the Diary writer, but what event took place. Of course, we don't have a date - but the way it sounds... I think it would have happened in the not so distant past... maybe a few years prior to the trip, at the most - maybe less?

All I can find is a story about hostage standoff in a prison in Louisiana... in 1999. Cuban prisoners took a warden and some guards and a number of prisoners hostage - asking to be deported anywhere... including back to Cuba. I guess they were protesting unfair treatment of Cuban prisoners and their families. They requested a helicopter to fly them to Lybia, not realizing a helicopter couldn't get them that far. A helicopter was brought in eventually anyway. Could the helicopter been from the Tustin, CA base... which is a military helicopter training facility? I can't see how the prison hostage situation could be what we're looking for - unless Cuban prisoners were being used as subjects in the experiments.

Day 22 - the super-high tide..

"Maybe it has something to do with being close to the equator, but it was as if someone flicked on a switch and turned on the waves."

What if someone DID flip a switch to make it happen? HOW, you ask, could you make a tide rise so high with a switch? What if the island is man made, and can be LOWERED... slowly enough to not be "noticable"... but enough to make the tide really high. WhY would they do that? Perhaps to clear the beach of wreckage... evidence...

Day 22 (Cont.)

Diary writer finally locates her dive bag... as everyone moves up beach after the high tide...

"(can you imagine if that washed up for someone to open???)"

What is she carrying in that dive bag that she doesn't want anyone to see?

Day 23

"I only started training again a few days ago, but I am already exhausted."

Does look like there's something to the idea that everyone is getting out of breath easily there.

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Diary of a Castaway

Day One

Can't control hand from shaking-plane crashed! All that life flashing before your eyes stuff- NOT TRUE! Don't know what happened. Remember sucking wind and noise-deafening noise. Head still ringing. Not a believer in God, but I prayed. Amazingly still in one piece- couple of scrapes and bruises. Found this notebook and decided to write- don't know what else to do. Where are we? Just mountains and water- every where...

Night One

Getting dark now- never saw so many stars. Campfires scattered along the beach- ours is the biggest. Something smells- burnt bodies? I'm sick to my stomach- can't eat plane meals fat guy is handing out. Where is the coast guard? Why aren't they here yet? Tried my cell phone- no connection. Parents are probably worried sick. Gotta stop writing. So tired.

Day Two

Nice man in checkered shirt offered me an orange for breakfast- still can't eat. We're all wondering what the hell that noise was last night. Some off to look for the cockpit- not me. Something scary in there. Pen is running out of ink. TYPICAL LUCK. More later...

Day Two (cont.)

Borrowed a pen from poor preggo lady. Huddled under a raft when it started to POUR- still got soaked. Dying in sun now. Walked down to the beach. Saw some good waves. Big fight on the beach when I returned- tempers starting to flare. Finally ate something- sea urchin- SUSHI! Still hungry. Transceiver found, but not working. Some hiking to higher ground- I hate hiking. No survivors in cockpit. The probably think we're dead too...

Night Two

Played backgammon with Walt today- good kid. Boredom has set in and I am officially burnt. It always hurts more when the sun goes down.

Day Three

There's a doctor on the island. He's with some guy in bad shape- has a piece of metal from the plane sticking out of his side. Went over there to see if doctor had any sun block- no luck. By the look of the shrapnel guy, I guess things could be worse.

Night Three

Found my check on bag today!!! All clothes, no toiletries. So, now I have a bathing suit- still no sign of surfboard. Always fantasized about being stranded on an island and it's really not so bad...worse part is the hunger. And of course, looking out at perfect peeling lefts and not having my board. Thinking of family and friends tonight. I miss them...

Day Four

No signal out, which means no call for help. They asked for electronics to boost it, so I gave up my cell phone- it's of no use to me any more. We're rationing out food and setting up tarps to collect rain water- should be plenty because it started to pour again today- out of nowhere, just torrential. I set up a make-shift shelter against a tree. It's home...for now.

Night Four

The shrapnel guy is driving us all nuts with his screaming- poor guy. Why hasn't someone come to rescue us...I haven't seen one plane pass overhead. It doesn't make any sense.

Day Five

Heard a gunshot last night. Who the hell has a gun!? Walt found his dog today- I miss my dog. Took a nap in the shade, white fine sand- feels good except for the twisting pangs of hunger in my stomach. Quit smoking last year, but who the hell cares now- bummed one from this guy named Sawyer. The nicotine satisfied the hunger.

Night Five

Dog woke me up and now I can't fall back asleep. Some commotion by the fuselage, but I'm too tired to find out what's going on. Sleeping on the cool sand and the breeze is keeping the bugs away. Now if that dog would stop barking...

Day Six

We have been asked to gather firewood. Wild boars were in the fuselage last night and we have to burn the bodies inside. Claire, the pregnant lady who loaned me her pen, is going to hold some sort of memorial. There was another fight today- figures it was Sawyer, only this time he got into it with the fat guy over peanuts- literally! I have a few extra packages but I'm not sharing them. Is that selfish? The guy in the checkered shirt is going hunting for the boar- never had boar meat, but I'm hungry enough to try almost anything. Put on my swim suit and walked down to the beach for a swim- the water is really beautiful here. The fat guy was down there with a friend trying to spear a fish- what a riot that was- first time I laughed since we crashed. I'm back on the beach now, trying to turn an earring into a fishhook. If I can find something to use for line, I'll be in business.

Night SixWe read the names of the dead tonight- one of them was sitting next to me. Surreal- feels like a dream. I can't believe this is happening. And still can't believe rescue hasn't come. The signal fire has been burning for days...fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>

Day Seven

Joanna drowned today. She's someone I went diving with in Australia and she ended up on my plane. She even switched seats so we could sit together and talk about the trip. She was traveling the coast, diving the Great Barrier Reef. It just doesn't make sense. She was smarter than that- she knew about the rip tides and how to swim parallel to the beach.

Day Seven, cont.

To make matters worse, someone stole all the remaining water. I know there is a way to turn salt water into fresh water I just don't remember how. I asked Sawyer for more smokes, which he hasn't returned with yet. Back to the lovely addiction.

Night Seven

They found the guy who stole the water, but it's still not enough. The doctor says he found a new water source inland. I'll go fill some bottles, but I'm staying right here on the beach incase a plane flies over. I met this guy named Charlie tonight- used to be in a band called Driveshaft- I have one of their CDs. He's got a tattoo that says "Living is Easy with Eyes Closed". Obviously a Beatles fan. After this experience, my eyes are wide open?

Day Eight

I just realized something: I've got a $6,000 credit card bill. Good luck trying to track me down for those payments! Still, I'd pay double that to get off this island. Things are starting to get dodgy; there was a huge fight today between Michael and the Korean guy. If Sayid and Sawyer hadn't pulled him off, I think he would have drowned Michael. What a psycho- I feel sorry for his wife, she seems so nice. We need to get out of here.

Night Eight

There's a big debate about where to set up camp. Hurley told me that he, Charlie, Locke and some of the others are moving to the source of fresh water- Jack says there is shelter there. I don't care if there is a four-star hotel; I'm not going in that jungle! How many times do I have to tell those guys, when the rescue planes fly over I don't want to miss my chance to signal them. I've got my little mirror all ready. Kate isn't going either. I trust her.

Day Nine

I don't feel very good. I've been nauseous for two days. I saw Jack today when he was picking up some supplies to take back to the new shelter- he told me to try and stay out of the sun. What does he want me to do, move to Seattle? I was going to move into the infirmary because it has a cover over it, but Sawyer got there first. That guy is really starting to get on my nerves- he won't give me any more cigarettes. Not for free, anyway...Pig.

I think Sayid is up to something. I saw him talking to Kate and Boone and he was holding this long pole with some sort of electronic thing on the end. Then he and Kate took off into the jungle. Strange.

Day Nine, cont.

Jack is dead! Charlie just came running on to the beach all covered in dirt. He said there was a cave-in at the new shelter and that Jack was buried alive. Michael and a few others went to see if they could help, but it sounds like it's too late. And where is Kate-does she even know? What the hell are we going to do now? What if someone gets hurt? Oh my God, what is Claire going to do?

Day Ten

I went to the caves yesterday to see about Jack- it was pretty crazy. Scott told me before I got there. Michael was able to dig a small tunnel all the way through to where Jack was. Charlie crawled through it to help him, only to have the entire thing cave in again! People were freaking out, especially Kate, and trying to dig them out, but there was no chance- WAY too much dirt and rocks. And then, just when we were about to give up, they both came walking out of the jungle...ALIVE! It was incredible. I was caught by surprise at how relieved I was to see them...I mean, I've only known these people for ten days and when they came walking towards me, I almost cried with relief. It makes me think we all have a real chance at making it through this together. Maybe...

Day Ten, cont.

Sawyer got stabbed! I don't know who did it, but I think it was Jack. I saw them getting into it over by the old infirmary tent- if Kate hadn't walked up at the last minute, I think they would have brawled. Too bad, actually, I'd LOVE to see someone beat the hell out of Sawyer, his act is getting really old. I mean, who the hell does he think he is, anyway?

Larry hit on me again today. He actually told me he wanted to "ask me out". Uh, out where, exactly? I mean, what's he gonna do, take me ice skating? Honestly, there is NO WAY I'd go out with him- I was hoping he'd figure it out, but the guy obviously can't take a hint.

Day 13I think I saw a whale this morning. I couldn't sleep again, so I went for a swim- the water was so glassy it looked like you could have run across it for miles if you were only fast enough. I really like the time I get to myself, early in the morning before any of the others are awake- very peaceful and calm. So there I was, floating in the ocean when I heard a sound like a steam vent blowing behind me. I turned around and saw this really huge shape going back under the surface. Scared the hell out of me, actually, but it was so cool!

Day 14

Boone came to the beach earlier to tell us that Jack and Charlie and a few others were all playing golf. I thought he'd been in the sun too long (he seems a little soft to me) but I didn't have anything better to do, so I followed the crowd as he led us into the jungle. Sure enough there they were: Michael, Charlie and Jack in the middle of what Hurley called the "Island Open". I don't know how he did it, but Hurley managed to build a 2-hole golf course! It was incredible, people were actually laughing. I had forgotten what laughter sounded like. Everyone got really into it, even betting on the action- I won an extra helping of boar off Larry when Jack made his putt- what a sucker! People are already lined up to play tomorrow. I never was any good at that game. But I suppose now I've got the time to practice...

Night 16

Hurley's out taking names and info from all of us because someone attacked Claire- and apparently this time is wasn't a nightmare. I don't know what good it's gonna do having a list of our names, but at least maybe we'll all feel safer- ha! It's scary to think, but we really don't know who we're stuck on this island with. Someone could be a pedophile or a drug addict. For all I know, Larry could be a rapist- if his name even really is Larry. Gonna have to be a little more careful?

Day 17

My God, we've been sitting here on this island for over two weeks, sleeping next to people who could be capable of anything! And I'm never going to turn my back on Larry again. People aren't always what they seem, if anyone knows that by now, it's me. I suppose after the crash I just assumed it couldn't possibly get any worse here. I'm sure most of use did. We were wrong?

I wasn't prepared for what happened this morning. I got to the caves to find all hell breaking loose. Before I could ask what was going on, I saw Sayid on the ground- he didn't look good at all, but that was nothing compared to the panic going through the camp about Claire (the pregnant lady) and Charlie- they've been kidnapped! Everybody is pointing the finger at this creepy guy named Ethan, but nobody really knows what the hell is going on. I spent most of the day looking for them with Michael and a few of the others, but we didn't have any luck. I knew there was something wrong with this group and now I have to worry what some sicko is doing to Claire. God, it's like the nightmare is starting all over again! You can't tell me I survived that week in Louisiana to be thrown back into this again. I told myself every single day in the hospital that all I had to do was stay alive. Just survive and make it to the trial. And the rest of my life would be perfect- that's what this trip was supposed to be about!

I'll tell you one thing: I'm not going to be a victim. Not again? No way! From here on out, I'm taking care of myself. And if anyone else tries to pull anything, I'm going to be ready for them.

Day 22

There is something seriously wrong with this island. I was woken up this morning by the sound of waves crashing on the shore- big ones, at least 10 feet. I've spent enough years in the water to know how tides work, and never, ever have I seen the tide come up this far, this quickly. Maybe it has something to do with being close to the equator, but it was as if someone flicked on a switch and turned on the waves. The water line is rising fast- too fast! The shelters we've fashioned were being swept away and everyone was in a panic to rescue as much as possible before it was too late. I had to make sure I saved my dive bag (can you imagine if that washed up somewhere for somebody to open???) and saw that Larry had it in his hand! I got right in his face and told him to give it back right now. He laid some story on about how he was just trying to help make sure I didn't loose anything- does he think I was born yesterday?

Day 22, cont.

I never thought it was possible, but the plane wreckage is actually being carried away from the beach! It's as if the sea is taking what it is owed. I didn't think I would miss that horrible hunk of twisted metal, but, losing it makes me feel like we've said good bye to the real world. Maybe forever. We're moving camp further up the beach and out of reach of the waves (at least for now). Everybody seems so comfortable there, but not me. Something bad is going to happen. I can feel it. So I've decided to stop trying to denying it...and start to get ready. Each morning I'm swimming a little farther and in the afternoons I run uphill to the golf course. Getting stronger- every day. And when I feel like quitting, all I have to do is remember the consequences of not being prepared. I'm eating as much as I can, trading anything and everything for a little extra meat. Need the protein. Need to keep pushing...

Day 23

I feel awful today. I need to eat- fruit and small amount of fish I've been getting just isn't enough. What happened to the boar? I only started training a few days ago, but I am already exhausted. Swimming is still easy for me, but my legs burn like fire every time I run up that hill. I have to stop and lay down for a while up at the top because I'm too spent to walk back down again. Yesterday I fell asleep at the top of the hill and when I woke up, it was pitch black. I was just laying there looking at the stars, feeling safe for the first time in a long time when something strange happened. I could have sworn I heard whispering all around me. I didn't have my dive bag with me, so I felt even more vulnerable. But let me tell you, the pain in my legs went away in about one second and I was ready to fight. But there was nobody there. I didn't like that feeling at all and I think I made it back to the beach in about 5 minutes flat! I can't let my guard down like that. Ever. Not here...

Day 24

I was out running again today when I came across Locke and Boone in the woods. They were there with Walt, teaching him to throw a knife at a tree. How crazy is that? Who lets a ten year old play with knifes? And I thought those guys were supposed to be hunting? Is this some sort of target practice?

When I returned to the beach, Sawyer told me that Michael decided to build a raft. Didn't he see "Castaway"? Looks may be deceiving, but the waves breaking on the outer reef have been over ten feet since we got here. I've offered to help look for a better place to launch while I'm out running. Maybe on the leeward side. Thing is, we have no idea how big this island is...

Day 25

Claire is back! - shaken up, but still alive. And to everyone's relief, Jack says the baby seems fine, but what's strange is that she doesn't remember anything that happened to her. No recollection of the last eight days! And she doesn't remember any of us- not even Charlie. The entire camp is starting to realize the danger that surrounds us. We posted guards around our perimeter during the night, but I'm not relying on anyone else to protect me. I'm spending the night next to the biggest fire I can find with my dive bag at my side.

Day 26

Out running on the beach this morning, scoping out potential places to launch the raft, so my attention was on the shoreline, not the tree line. You know that feeling you get when you just know someone is behind you? Well, I had it- bad. But when I turned around, there was nobody there. I picked up the pace and moved closer to the water. A few hundred yards later, I felt it again, so I whipped around, fists ready. And this time, I swear I saw someone in the distance. I moved toward them, but they disappeared into the fog. Weird. Someone was following me- I know it. But that's not the worst of it. As I backed up, scanning the area, I tripped over something and fell hard to the sand...and that's when I saw him- Scott from camp was laying there all twisted and bloody. And it was no accident- every major bone in the guy's body was broken. That could have been me!

We have to get off this island...

Day 27

Charlie shot Ethan! A bunch of people went out into the jungle armed with guns- where are all these guns coming from!?- and, using Claire as bait, brought Ethan to them. Apparently, they all agreed to catch him and keep him alive, but Charlie had other ideas. He fired without asking questions. Some people are angry, even afraid of Charlie, but I'm the last person to pass judgment about something like that. I mean, Ethan kidnapped Claire, strung him up by his neck and left him to die. What did they expect him to do? I bet Ethan killed Scott, too. What a psycho! Maybe now we can all rest a little easier.

The good news is that the boars are back! In fact, one of them attacked Sawyer's tent last night- serves him right. That guy can be such a jerk. I don't know why Kate hangs around him so much. Anyway, now we'll finally get some meat- I'm so sick of fruit and fish...

Day 30

The Korean guy started screaming at his wife again- just for wearing a bikini. What a jerk! It's like a thousand degrees here. Michael saw what was happening and got up in his face- those two really hate each other. With this heat, I suppose we should expect tempers to flare...

Day 31

Someone set the raft on fire last night, creating a pretty huge blaze. All that work, gone to waste! People are pointing the finger at the Korean guy, who took off into the woods. But I saw that little kid Walt playing with matches yesterday.

#1, what the hell is the kid doing with matches? Those are a valuable commodity on this island. And #2, why would anyone burn down our only hope of getting out of this Godforsaken place?

Day 32

The surprises just keep coming! Sawyer found the Korean guy out in the woods and brought him back to camp to face the music. It took about three seconds for Michael to jump him and I think he would've kicked the crap out of him this time if his wife hadn't spoke up and screamed for him to stop- IN ENGLISH! Why on earth didn't she speak up before!? I wonder if she heard me talking trash about her husband? I wonder if she even cares? At least now I know his name is Jin!

Day 33

Went swimming this morning- always makes me really hungry. Still no meat. What happened to the boar that attacked Sawyer's tent the other night? I really don't know what the heck Locke and Boone are doing out there all day, but I think I'm going to follow them tomorrow and find out for myself...

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holy cow, cac! that would definitely be the whole thing!  LOL!! makes it easier to reference. thanks!

Are there particular pieces in all that which stand out to you, that you would like to perhaps pull out and make comment on, etc?

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Wow! I really love this thread! The twenty year cycle thing is a very interesting coincedence. 8/12/03...have to do some thinking. This could prove very interesting once we peg it down.

cac...About the rain prediction. I do agree that it was uncanny how he could get it to the second, seemed a little too strange. But I can tell you this much. When I was in the Army, I did a deployment in Central America in a tropical environment, similar to our little island. Let me just say that you haven't seen rain until you seen it in the jungle. The rain was unbelievable, I am not exaggerating in saying that for periods of up to a week at a time, the rain would come every day like clockwork, you could set your watch by it, maybe not to the second like Locke, but close enough to freak you out. You could also feel the rain coming if you trained your senses enough to pay attention to it. You could feel the pressure in the air change, the temperature would drop very suddenly, you could feel a change in humidity on your skin, and it would start raining. You could feasibly say, it is going to rain any second and it would, 9 times out of 10.

This whole explanation adds to my argument that Locke knows more than the average "Regional Collections Supervisor for a Box Company". If he is not prior military, he sure knows a lot of military related things.

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ME, I noticed the same things in the diary as you. I was planning to post it earlier, but got sidetracked until your post reminded me. It's a bit easier to read here, thanks to A's transcriber.

The steam vent is probably closer to what it is than a whale. If the island is man-made, it might actually be blowing out some air or steam. It could be a byproduct of whatever is generating power on the island or whatever research is being done.

The tide always reminds me of the tsunami, but it happened more slowly. could something be happening in the ocean that is simulating an earthquake? I suppose the island could be raised and lowered. This might have something to do with the effect of the moon on the island, too.

The Louisiana incident might be about the past of one of the main characters. One of them might be connected to the attacker.

The dive bag -- she seems to have something in it that she doesn't want anyone to see and that is also a weapon or will protect her in some way. It also reminds us about looking under the surface of the water. Does this imply there's something dangerous in the water?

Day 4 - "it started to pour again today -- out of nowhere" Fed, I think they are drawing our attention to this being an unnatural thing.

Day 7 - Joanna hadn't planned to be on the plane, like everyone else. She shouldn't have drowned, so something must have killed her.

Day 8 - Writer has as reason not to go home, like everyone else.

Day 9 - Seattle - Ft. Lewis is near Seattle.

- foreshadows Jack not being there when Claire's baby is born.

Days 9 & - Sawyer has cigarettes. Was Locke right about him using one to make a slow fuse to launch the bottle rocket?

Day 10 - must work together to survive, maybe ...

- "who the hell does [Sawyer] think he is, anyway?" -- Is Sawyer more important than we think?

Night 16 - "Someone could be a pedophile or a drug addict ... [or] a rapist." We know Charlie's the drug addict. Who are the pedophile and rapist?

Day 17 - "People aren't always what they seem."

- "I just assumed it couldn't possibly get worse ... were we wrong?" There is lots of foreshadowing of something worse happening.

Day 22 - "the sea is taking back what it is owed."

Day 24 - Describes Walt's knife lesson as "target practice." What it Locke training Walt for?

Day 26 - She feels safer nearer the water than the trees. Is this a false sense of security?

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Day 8 - Writer has as reason not to go home, like everyone else.

How do you get that from Day 8? I read that and it says to me she dearly WANTS to go home. She's not leaving the beach because she doesn't want to miss the rescue planes... has her mirror ready to signal them and everything. What am I missing?

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This whole explanation adds to my argument that Locke knows more than the average "Regional Collections Supervisor for a Box Company". If he is not prior military, he sure knows a lot of military related things.

I agree, fed! And by the way, one thing I should have said earlier is that I always thought that one reason Locke didn't tell off that little weasel of a boss of his is because the job was somewhat of a front - a cover (though didn't think the disability was one)... and he couldn't blow it by acting more confident and confrontational. Why a box company though? I have no idea. Maybe witness relocation?

Anyway, the only thing was that I was SO surprised when he was talking to Helen, and was trying to get her - a phone... whatever.. to go with him to Australia. He seemed so incredibly sad and pathetic then! That's really surprised me, because it couldn't have been part of the cover, could it?

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The rain was unbelievable, I am not exaggerating in saying that for periods of up to a week at a time, the rain would come every day like clockwork, you could set your watch by it, maybe not to the second like Locke, but close enough to freak you out. You could also feel the rain coming if you trained your senses enough to pay attention to it.

This is what I thought was happening. Locke is so in tuned to people and his surroundings. You can tell he spent much of his life being a quiet observer. I still think he applied that in a career - and not working in a box company. Can't wait to see the next new episode.

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On, and another thought about look up... and i know this has been mentioned... but maybe look up to an energy field that we can't see... somewhat of a shield... encompassing the island...

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Day 8 - I was thinking the $6000 credit card bill was enough, but Day 22, where she talks about Louisiana and how this trip was supposed to be about making the rest of her life perfect might be more to the point. She's been on a vacation to get away from the problems of the past and now is returning to the place where they happened. We don't even know how the trial turned out. The situation might not even be resolved.

"Regional Collections Supervisor for a Box Company" -- As an observer, Locke has been collecting things all his life. He's now pulling them out of his metaphorical box to use them on the island.

The military stuff he might have just picked up from his father. Just as Jack learned to be a perfectionist surgeon, Kate learned to track and Sawyer learned to blame others.

While we're on the subject of fathers ...

If the parents were part of the experiments, were they infected with the illness? Saywer's father exhibitted the anger and violence and Locke described his father as "not cool." Could Kate's father also have been violent? Shannon's father was angry enough that he cut her out of his will.

An energy shield -- something like that was shown in the comic book, too.

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If the parents were part of the experiments, were they infected with the illness?

Yes, that was my thought too... that was my point... they were infected, or exposed and affected, in some way... may have manifested differently in each person - not always showing the same symptoms... or resulting in the same type of illness. Think Agent Orange, or communities near toxic waste dumping areas - Love Canal.... cancer, but different types of cancer. Apparently whatever illness the parents of the castaways had, if they were exposed and affected, it didn't make them sterile - which I'd think it would.

I still have suspicions about how Locke's sister died. I still wonder if he didn't have something to do with that. Perhaps jealous as a child... wanting his dad's attention. Like Walt wanted Brian's and mom's attention? And Dad's attention? But all kids want attention, and the vast majority don't set things on fire or kill a sibling because of it. So what would make them different? A mutation of the illness?

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But cac...

Day Five

"I miss my dog."

She misses her DOG. Oh my - you HAVE to want to go home to see your DOG, for goodness sake! 

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Day Eight

I just realized something: I've got a $6,000 credit card bill. Good luck trying to track me down for those payments! Still, I'd pay double that to get off this island. Things are starting to get dodgy; there was a huge fight today between Michael and the Korean guy. If Sayid and Sawyer hadn't pulled him off, I think he would have drowned Michael. What a psycho- I feel sorry for his wife, she seems so nice. We need to get out of here.

Sounds like she wants to get home to me! But, that's just my opinion - think this is one we're just going to have agree to disagree on! 

I'm signing off for the night!

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She doesn't want to leave the beach, is scared of the jungle but, all of a sudden tears off into the jungle and seems to be running there on a regular basis. Even falls asleep there. What happened to change her mind?

Parents-if they were part of the experiments, remember they were mind control experiments, did triggers set them off? Were they given certain signals that caused them to react in anger or become irrational? If so, it might appear to those around them that they were going insane or suffering from nervous breakdowns. As a child witnessing this type of behaviour, would you think you might suffer from it too as you got older? Maybe that's the thing with Jack and his father. Jack's odd looks towards his father, is he noticing a pattern in his father's behaviour?

Didn't that looonnnngggg article also mention something about side effects of hyped up adrenalin from exposure to the laser thingy? That could account for the decreased lung capacity. The radio waves also kept them in an (cough) "excited" ;0) state in order to be more open to suggestion. The combination would be exhausting.

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Ok I guess I'm confused here. For some reason, some people keep coming back to the, "these people are special". "Or why these people". So, do you guys think that the plane crash was a fake? And that some secret agency somehow manipulated these people to be on that particular flight? And somehow, I don't know, gassed them and brought the plane down and broke it up after they were off it? See, I could go on in this direction, and write down all of the things that just don't make sense in that senerio.

Even if we only go with EXACTLY what we've been shown. It still doesn't make sense. Kate said, she never lost consiousness. So unless that was implanted, that kind of blows the whole (brought the plane down safely, part).

How could they have managed to

1. Get these particular people, from all over the world, on this one flight. And why from austrailia? Why not LA to Austrailia. Considering they are mostly americans, that would have made more sense. (Take Michael for instance, if Susan hadn't died at that particular time, he would NEVER have gone to Austrailia, so, come on, they killed Susan with a mysterious blood disease so Michael would go to Austrailia?)

2. How did they determine if any of these people would live or, if all of the passengers were somehow connected to the experiment, any of them would live. It was a horrific crash.

3. They were never actually on the plane and it was all implanted in their minds. And, say the marshall was a volunteer to die. (Yeah right, since Kate knew him from her life before, I find that highly unlikely). Or Rose's husband Bernard. Was he never actually included in the experiment, and is really still back home and thinks Rose was abducted my aliens. Is Susan really still alive? Or Jack's dad for that matter. If this is all a set up, then the memories that took them to Austrailia, would possibly be false too. This then just seems to be way to complicated.

We've been shown FB's of the major characters. Nothing in those flashbacks shows anything weird happening that would indicate that anything that happened to get them to Austrailia was "strange". Sad, some of them, well actually most of them, but nothing that indicates manipulation of circumstances, that I could see.

So I guess, I could ramble on, about all the things I see wrong with the theory that these particular people are here on purpose.

So, why does anyone think this is the case? Please tell me, did you get a hint that I missed, and that is why you guys keep heading in this direction? Because if that were the case, I need to rearrange my thinking and get on the boat with you.

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illuminati.

Ok, I'm just going to throw this out here because,

1. they were started, way back in the day, because scientists were persecuted by the catholic church for finding answers that contradicted things in the bible, in the opinion of the church. (now we know, that anything that is found to be true doesn't actually do that, but back in the day, they thought that way)

2. They still exists and are VERY VERY wealthy. You can put illumanti in a search and find out tons of information that will amaze you.

3. You'd be surprised at who is possibly a member of the illuminati. They have infiltrated everywhere and could be in control of our government, and funded this experiment.

I don't know why I can't get away from this idea. I just wanted it thrown out here for consideration.

Thoughts?

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Good, morning. Siping my first cup of java I hope this comes out right.

Pysk. I agree. I think it was a government run island back in the day but then the government left and it is privately ran and funded now. That brings us back to the Freemasons. The illuminati...

Also I agree with your Moon post. They've been giving us "loon" for some time now. The bird sound, and I'm sure Charlie called Hurley a loon, I'll have to go look. I know he called him a nutter...which is pretty fuuny.

I know I don't have to explain Lunatic in this thread.

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Pysk, you make it sound way too complicated for them to be the children of the original subjects, which I'm happy about. I actually went to bed last night thinking that I hated the idea of it all being a science experiment. I would be very disappointed if it turned out to be that contrived.

Let me go back to what I've thought from the beginning, with a few adjustments for what we've learned recently:

The island is obviously not of the natural world. I think it's a place that was used by the military to do some sort of invisibility and time travel experiments. The military has abandoned it but there are remnants of their tests, like the monster. The island is separated from the rest of the world by something, possibly by existing in another dimension. The tesseract still exists and is the only passage between the two worlds. The radio transmissions can only be heard when it is open, which isn't often. Adam and Eve were the first to be drawn to the island this way and I think the Whisperers might be their descendants. It also happened 16 years ago when Sam heard the numbers and Danielle's ship came to the island. It opened when Ethan's group arrived, it happened again about a month ago and it might happen in the next episode if I'm right about the drug plane not having arrived yet.

Danielle has told us that the Others control the power source. I think they are also in control of the tesseract, whether they know it or not. Opening it caused the communications problems the pilot spoke of. By changing course, the pilot flew directly into the tesseract, just as the numbers had called Danielle into it. The plane was torn apart because it was large enough and strong enough to attempt to resist the pull of the tesseract. Once the plane was shattered, the individual pieces were tessered to the island, all of the damage having been done before they hit the ground.

None of the survivors planned to be on that plane more than a few days before and none of them wanted to be on the plane or to arrive at their destination. Collectively, this would produce a lot of negative mental energy that might even have contributed to the susceptibility of the plane to crash. Those who did survive all have what was left in Pandora's box -- hope. I don't think there's anything contrived about this because there were 200 other people on the plane who probably died because they did not fit the pattern. Those who survived did so because they all had hope for a better life than the one that awaited them in Los Angeles, those who didn't died.

Somehow connected to this is the fact that they needed to meet each other because they hold the keys to each others redemptions. Because of their past connections, they have messages for one another that will enable them to have those better lives when they do get to their destinations. I think this has to do with the late booking of the flight, the numbers and the hatch. How? I have absolutely no idea.

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Ok I guess I'm confused here. For some reason, some people keep coming back to the, "these people are special". "Or why these people". So, do you guys think that the plane crash was a fake? And that some secret agency somehow manipulated these people to be on that particular flight?

psyk... i absolutely agree with you, and i REALLY hope the above scenario's don't end up being the case... fake plane crash, all a government set up, etc. I'd be very disappointed if this were the case!!! So, I'm happy you think it's unlikely.

The only reason I was tossing out the idea that the parents were involved in the experiment was because the question was put to us "why these people"... and then we were asked "Who was Kate's father"... and all those other questions about "Why these people." This DOES seem to imply that it was all orchestrated, but I agree that there are just TOO many variables that would end up being just way too outlandish and contrived, even considering it's outlandish that they'd survive such a crash in the first place.

I'd much rather this simply being a flight that was in the wrong place at the right time, and inadvertantly ended up smack dab in the middle of a secret experiment site.

However, we already have the tie with the numbers - Hurley's numbers, and the hatch - which would be a whopper of a coincidence. And, we know they're all connected in some way - is that coincidence, or part of some plan?

I really don't know what to think! I'm not quite seeing the real rhyme or reason if the whole thing has been one big government plot all along. So, I'm truly hoping that's not the case.

Keeping with One's reminder that the experiments were about mind control - we dont know if they ever succeeded in their experiments - beyond probably screwing up participants mental state... and simply brainwashing.

Is this why Claire couldn't remember anything? Did they use some of ther techniques on her?

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Somehow connected to this is the fact that they needed to meet each other because they hold the keys to each others redemptions. Because of their past connections, they have messages for one another that will enable them to have those better lives when they do get to their destinations. I think this has to do with the late booking of the flight, the numbers and the hatch. How? I have absolutely no idea.

cac, it sounds like you are agreeing that there's a reason "why these people"... but that the selection of these people was not determined or orchestrated by government or some group of people/overseeers conducting an experiment... but "why these people" was determined by some sort of cosmic connection?

I guess you're saying you don't know the "how" yet... which I don't know either. Sometimes we have to just suspend reality a bit and just go with it - which I'm willing to do with this show, TOO A DEGREE! But not if it means this whole thing was a government orchestrated production - from the family deaths, to the crash, etc. That would be SO disappointing! Sounds like a lot of us are in agreement on that!

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I guess you're saying you don't know the "how" yet... which I don't know either. Sometimes we have to just suspend reality a bit and just go with it - which I'm willing to do with this show, TOO A DEGREE! But not if it means this whole thing was a government orchestrated production - from the family deaths, to the crash, etc. That would be SO disappointing!

It would be. I think I might even stop watching. We've been told it's not Island of Dr. Moreau, which I take to mean it's not that contrived.

It could be that they are using the 'Six Degrees of Separation' scenario and any group of people who survived would eventually find that they are connected, but I don't believe it's that random, either.

It seems like Fate put them on the plane. Maybe we have to figure out what Fate is.

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I don't think their arrival was contrived by a government or any other entity. I believe that part of the story is coincidence (Deux ex Machina) , yet something drew them all to Australia in the first place.

In addition to them each holding the key to their respective redemption, they also each hold a piece of the puzzle of the island.

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In addition to them each holding the key to their respective redemption, they also each hold a piece of the puzzle of the island.

And I think I know how many pieces there are in this puzzle:

4,815,162,342

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oh man, oh man, oh man! i cannot believe all of this. you are all so awesome!

thanks poor for the clues and the confirmation...

congrats cac on 1000+ posts...this really is an amazing thread, and the it's always the 1st place i come when i'm on the boards...

so, i have a qustion. i understand the whole 8-12-43/83/03 thing... so what happened to 1963? i mean, isn't that missing?

also, didn't we see posters in micheal's and claire's FB for 2000? his was in the hospital w/broken leg... if walt had been 2 then, wouldn't that make walt only 6 or 7 now...but he said he was 10.

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=133&pos=11

also, for claire, wasn't it a football poster on the wall? if that is the case, she would have been with her boyfriend for 4 years? that wasn't my thinking...for some reason i thought of them not having been together for such a long time...i thought the pregnancy kind of happened really early on in their relationship...

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=66&pos=18

thoughts?

  OneisLost     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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Seems to me that the earth portal opens every 20 years. The manmade portal 43/83 was purposely opened on those dates to coincide with the earth portal opening to boost the energy or somesuch. So yeah, what the heck happened in 63?

  HankisBack     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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HAte to blow your bubble. But you're way off the mark with this portal. THink "Up".

  cac120     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>

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The football poster seems to show all their victory years, so it could easily be 4 years old and still on the wall.

The medical poster, however, would not be for 2000 in 1996. I'd like to attribute that to the set decorator being bad at math because the only other possibility is that the crash doesn't happen until 2008.

What other actual time references have we been given? Besides the X years ago ones, I mean.

The only one I can think of is Sawyer's letter. It was written in 1976, when he was about 8, which is about right for the crash to have happened in 2004.

I don't know about every 20 years. 20 isn't one of our numbers. Danielle has been there 16 years and Ethan less than that.

  MEandthesea     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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Hank, how do you know? Do YOU have inside information? Your always telling us to not listen to Poor, and to not get distracted... yet Poor is the one who told us to "look up"... so, which is it? And, again, how do YOU know? I'm very interested!

As far as my answer to Poor's suggestiont to "look up"... as I've said before....

1. I like One's "Satellite" idea... OR...

2. as I mentioned... the idea of protective an electromagnetic energy field/force field sort of "dome" around the island... OR...

3. "look up" referring to the ozone layer.

  annipadanni     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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ok...up???? satallite? where there satalites in 1943? did we have that technology then? my brother builds the rockets that launch information satalites...might need to call him and grill him!

or, if not satalites...then what up? the moon? birds? a force field? a sheild over the island?

WHAT IS UP??????

  MEandthesea     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? fficeffice" / onload='javascript:showImageWidth(this,600,600)' class='AutoImageWidthTopic' style='cursor:poionter'>

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By the way, I don't know if the 2000 poster in Michael's flashback ever made it onto the show - I think it just appeared in one of the promo photos. They might have decided to edit it out once they realized it was in there.

  annipadanni     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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cac, i can buy the football poster thing too, but the poster in the hospital is confusing...

the 20 years is about the portal opening idea. they say it happened 1st in 1943 and then they mention 1983 and then someone said likely to be 2003 next...but my question was...where is 1963???? it is missing from that line of thinking...

  Songline     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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  slpy     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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Yes I think It's " Star Wars" We are suppose to be looking into.

  Songline     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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  annipadanni     Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?

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