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Lost: GeneralAre Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections??xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comReplies:1181 Last post: Mar 16, 2005 03:34 PM by:blossom_coThis question is flagged asUnanswered. Mark asanswered.Page(s)10[1 2345678910]>>Next PageReply|Edit|Search|Back to Topics|PAGE 1cac120Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?Posted:Feb 20, 2005 06:37 PMreply1536 PostsRegistered: Sep 03, 2004 06:39 PMTHIS DISCUSSION IS NOW TAKING PLACE AT:http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=277771�Link to the last page that was the last page the last time I updated the last page link:http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=1134&threadID=241141I have this theory that every episode title refers to each character. They tell us what they have in common and provide clues to how their paths may have crossed.I started talking about this in another thread, but I'll bring the summaries over here for further discussion. The original thread can be found at:http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=0&threadID=237540As this thread is getting long, I am now attempting to do a summary for each episode. Here's the list of titles, followed by the page in this thread where you can find the summary:1. (Lost) Pilot -- Page 112. Pilot, Part2 -- Page 113. Tabula Rasa -- Page 134. Walkabout -- Page 225. White Rabbit -- Page 226. House of the Rising Sun -- Page 137. The Moth -- Page 118. Confidence man -- Page 229. Solitary -- Page 2210. Raised by Another -- Page 111. All The Best Cowboys have Daddy Issues -- Page 2212. Whatever the Case May Be -- Page 2313. Hearts and Minds -- Page 2414. Special -- Page 115. Homecoming -- Page 116. Outlaws -- Page 117. . . . In Translation -- Page 118. Numbers -- Page 2419. Deux ex Machina -- Page 2420. Do No Harm -- Page 2421. The Greater Good -- Page 2422. Born to Run -- Page 5523. -- Page 5524. -- Page 55Page 13http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=168&threadID=241141Page 23http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=308&threadID=241141Page 55http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?start=756&threadID=241141Thank you so much to everyone who has contributed to this attempt to organize the clues we have found thus far. I am enjoying this discussion so much and hope this thread continues for a long time.Special thanks to the people who's ideas I'm using in the summaries: annipadanni, armymom_28, electricsheep, lark0016, MEandthesea, miskitten, mrsbuns, OneisLost, pinkgoddess_18, sandcastle80, Sevilea and the omniscient one who continues to be our inspiration.(I am currently working on this, so please don't be offended if your name isn't here yet)The first 22 pages of discussion have been summarized at this time.Message was edited by: cac120
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cac120Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Raised By Another
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Raised By Another
Obvious meaning: The psychic warned Claire that she must raise her baby or the outcome won't be good.
If you remember what we've heard throughout the series, a LOT of these characters have been orphaned in some way.
Jack's father just died, but is still with him on the island.
Kate killed the man she loved. Was this her father? Don't know about mom.
Saywer's parents died when he was young. He must have been raised by another, possibly his grandparents.
Locke had a foster mother, who died.
Shannon's father (Boone's stepfather) died. What about her mom, his dad?
Sayid said the military would kill his family if he deserted. Did they?
Walt was taken from his father, his mother died and stepfather gave him up.
Hurley's father hasn't been mentioned, but he was close to his grandfather.
Jin seems to have been adopted by Sun's father.
Sun has a father but we don't know about her mother.
Claire's baby's father has abandoned him already.
Michael hasn't mentioned parents.
Charlie went to the Father at the church for advice rather than his own parents.
Claire's mother threatened to disown her if she had the baby and her father hasn't been mentioned.
Is finding surrogate parents what they need for redemption?
Are Locke and Rose emerging as parents?
Do the others share her baby's doom if they don't create a family among themselves?
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cac120Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Special
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Special
Obvious meaning: Walt's special power, which is to see things in his mind and have them happen in the physical world.
The island is revealing that everyone is special in their own way, that they each have a special skill which is contributing to the group as a whole. They were all looked down upon in their past lives, but now are revealed to be capable.
Locke - highly observant of everyone and everything. Seems to know what's better for them than they do themselves. Philosopher. Is able to see the truth of the island unhindered by his past experiences.
Jack - Must have used some special power to revive Charlie. Seemed super strong when fighting Ethan the second time.
Kate -
Sawyer -
Michael - Channels his ability to create things he sees in his mind into his art.
Charlie -
Boone - staring at the hatch, waiting for it to open.
Shannon -
Hurley -
Claire - is carrying a very special baby
Sun -
Jin -
Walt - sees thing in his mind and makes them happen - polar bears, burns raft
Sayid -
Ethan - stronger than the average man
Vincent - Can see the things that are in Walt's mind before they happen in the physical world.
Claire's baby - causes his mother to have prophetic dreams.
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AdawhenRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Special
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Hi CAC,
Special had more to do with something else than with Walt!
Alias_KidRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Raised By Another
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Didn't raised By Another refer to the psysic who told Claire not to allow the baby the be "Raised by Another" and eventually sned her on the plain he knew would be LOST (pardon my pun) on some islane in the middle of nowhere?
eskimos123Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Raised By Another
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has anyone put together that hurley owned a box company and that locke worked for a box company? and that the shoe factury he owned burned down. I have this idea that everyone is related to Hurley in way or another. maybe all their birthdays make up the numbers. as the one woman said that 16yrs ago that these numbers were a location and know this french woman has been on this island 16ys with the same number. any other ideas?
kate5045Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Raised By Another
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My theory is this: That all of the original 14 characters are connected someway before the crash. Such as Sawyer meeting Jacks dad in a bar. Locke working in box factory that Hurley probably owned, remember his accountant telling him there would have to be layoffs, in his (Hurley's)flashback? I'm sure there will be more subtle connections coming up!!!
miskitttenRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Cac - I've been thinking about your question since the last thread. Could Sun be translating for Jin in the next episode? Maybe she doesn't quite translate exactly what is said? She seems to shy away from confrontation, where Jin seems to thrive on it. Maybe Shannon translated the distress call incorrectly??
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cac120Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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When something is translated, very often the words don't exactly match up. I wonder if the writers' misdirects would fit into this category?
I've read that Shannon missed out a few references to the black rock in Danielle's message.
miskitttenRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Cac - I've been thinking about your question since the last thread. Could Sun be translating for Jin in the next episode? Maybe she doesn't quite translate exactly what is said? She seems to shy away from confrontation, where Jin seems to thrive on it. Maybe Shannon translated the distress call incorrectly??
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Sorry about the doulbe post. Who do you all think didn't have a homecoming in that episode?
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cac120Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- . . . in Translation
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. . . in Translation
Obvious meaning: Due to comnunication difficulties, Jin is wrongly assumed to have burned the raft and killed someone. Sun's revelation that she speaks English proved his innocence. Title refers to the film Lost in Translation.
"I figured the title of Jin's episode was a play on that movie, and that it referred to his inability to communicate with the other survivors. But, . . . there is usually multiple layers of meaning with everything on this show...
What is the movie about? A man, completely miserable in his life, who hates his job and feels like a sell-out, thrust into a foreign environment where he is basically isolated and forced to confront his own inner demons and learn to find joy in life again, through an actual connection with another human being." (mrsbuns and pink)
Jack
Locke
Kate
Sawyer was assumed to be the prisoner, and perhaps stll is as Jack is the only one who knows it's Kate.
Hurley
Sayid was assumed to be a terrorist by Sawyer and airport security.
Charlie
Michael was thought to hate being a dad when really he was just afraid
Walt
Sun
Jin was thought to have killed someone and burned the raft, but is innocent.
Boone
Shannon left out information when she translated Danielle's transmission. Is trying to translate the maps.
Claire
Danielle - thought to be crazy for hearing voices until Sayid heard them.
Rose - thought to be in denial over her husband death, but ???
Ethan - assumed to be on Flight 815, but he was already on the island
Language and Geography
The subject of language and translation has come up throughout the series. Since language is tied to geography, let's include where these characters came from as well. It may give us some insight into how their paths have crossed in the past. Since most only appear to speak English, I won't note that for each one.
Jack - Los Angeles
Locke - California
Kate - Canada, Fort Lewis, WA, New Mexico - father was in the military, so she may have traveled as a child.
Sawyer - Tennessee - Parents don't have Southern accents, but Sawyer certainly does.
Hurley - California
Sayid - Iraq - Arabic and English with a British accent - Served in the Gulf War, but hasn't mentioned more recent conflicts. Was still in the Republican Guard seven years ago.
Charlie - Manchester (or near that part of England) - Brother lives in Australia. May have toured internationally with his band. Was trying to sign recording contract in L.A.
Michael - ?, New York - Traveled to Australia to retrieve son
Walt - New York, Amsterdam, Australia - lived in several countries because his parents worked for an international law firm
Sun - Korea - speaks Korean and English
Jin - Korea - speaks Korean
Boone - ?
Shannon - learned French living with a man and his son in St. Tropez
Claire - Australia - thought she was on her way to L.A. to give up her baby for adoption.
Danielle - France - speaks French, English and several other European languages. Used the English pronunciation of Robert when referring to her love. Doesn't know where her child, Alex, is.
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cac120Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Homecoming
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Homecoming
Obvious meaning: Claire escapes from Ethan and returns to the castaways.
Adawhen gave us some hints about what to look for:
The title refers to other things more than to Claire. In fact, Claire was incidental. Watch it again, and see if you can see what the writers were trying to get across to you. Who is having a homecoming here? What is a homecoming? In other words, what is the key element of missing home? Memories, perhaps? Knowledge of what is real and what isn't? The place where you are known, and where you belong? Where we love? Who had a homecoming? Who DIDN'T?
None of these people wanted to be on that plane or reach their destination, so the houses they came from aren't really their homes. Are they finding that their true home is with each other on the island?
Jack - the doctor is useful on the island, but he's not opening up to anyone. He feels like a failure as a doctor, even though he's truly successful.
Locke - is on the Walkabout that he is well suited to. Feels at home on the island and is the one who understands it best.
Kate - also putting her skills to good use; starting to connect to Jack and Sawyer by sharing her secrets. Happily 'sinking' in the sand of freedom.
Sawyer - Probably moved around to much to literally have a home. He decided he didn't need revenge on the boar, so that part of him is at rest. Had bought a spot on the raft, so does not feel like the island is home.
Hurley - had a homecoming when Danielle believed him about the numbers being cursed.
Sayid - has a chance to be a soldier again, but is that something he was trying to leave behind him? Beginning a relationship with Shannon.
Charlie - In his flashbacks, he wanted to be needed but was actually using everyone to get what he wanted. On the island he feels needed by Claire. Gave in to the primal forces of the island when he killed Ethan.
Michael - has been reunited with his son. Is building a second raft to leave the island.
Walt - getting more attention from Michael and Locke than he had from Susan & Brian. Feels more at home on the island than in his former transient life.
Sun - seems to have led a very sheltered life, but is now expressing herself. Looked highly content on the beach after separating from Jin.
Jin - Kept secrets from Sun but now seems to be connecting, perhaps through a memory of a baby.
Boone - trying to contribute, but still failing
Shannon - Sayid makes her feel useful, for probably the first time in her life
Claire - came back from her kidnapper, is starting to remember
Scott - went 'home to God'
Ethan - not sure if he went home to God, but he is in his eternal home
Vincent - was kidnapped from Brian, wanders off a lot, but keeps coming home to Walt. May have made friends with 'others' on the island.
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cac120Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Outlaws
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Outlaws
Obvious meaning: Sawyer is an outlaw because he killed Hibbs and the boar is an outlaw because he attacks Sawyer.
We tend to think of outlaws as criminals, but really they are people who take the law into their own hands. They do this because they feel justified in what they are doing.
Jack - still the centre of the group.Upheld the law by testifying against his father.
Sayid somehow justifies torture and killing yet is appalled by Charlie reading Claire's diary.
Charlie feels justified in reading Claire's diary because it yields a clue to finding her.
Michael steals Vincent from Brian who stole Walt from Michael.
Charlie steals the box, but it wasnt' Lucy's father's box anyway. It was Winston Churchill's.
Sawyer feels justified in killing original Sawyer because he killed his parents. He feels guilty only when he realizes he has killed the wrong man.
Kate somehow feels the plane is truly hers.
Danielle killed Robert in self-defence.
Charlie killed Ethan because of whatever he witnessed Ethan doing to Claire.
Ethan feels justified in killing Scott because they kept Claire from him.
Locke -
Hurley -
Walt accidentally-on-purpose burned the raft because he father planned to take him from the island on it
Sun -
Jin bet the Environment minister to save him from being killed by the hitman
Boone - 'killed' Shannon to rid himself of the responsibility for her (in his halucination)
Shannon -
Claire -
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AdawhenRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Outlaws
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In reference to Outlaws.
Again, look deeper. Something occurred in this episode that hasn't happened before. What was it?
Sheila_B_4Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Outlaws
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claire and shannon adultery and Shannon stole money from her brother.
Boone and Shannon's one nighter was not that lawful.
Hurley could be said to be a law keeper as he has been the one to come up with many ways to keep the peace.
AdawhenRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Homecoming
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CAC, not trying to frustrate you, but March to April will be a long month, so I figure you will want to puzzle this stuff out for fun.
You are wathing the writers right hand (jumping up and down, up and down and yelling "Look here!"). Watch the left hand, which is sneaking some stuff behind your back.
Homecoming. Whose homecoming?
littlemissellieRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Homecoming
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claire's homecoming from ethan
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charlie's homecoming from driveshaft... not sure
Sheila_B_4Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- . . . in Translation
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RickAraujoRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- . . . in Translation
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Hurley knows some Spanish (or Spanglish) from his family.
slpyRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Well, Vincent came home..
Ethan was called home...with Charlies help...
Did you all hear that Vincent is going to have a flash back? Oh if doggies could talk! Where did he go? What did he see?
CeirdwynRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Something occurred in this episode that hasn't happened before. What was it?
Sawyer called someone by his real name? Someone (Locke) offered Sawyer something (apparently without asking something in return, thoughI'm not so sure about that...)...
cac120Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Thanks Ada, I was hoping for your input on this.
Sawyer is starting to connect to people, telling secrets, using real names, but I wouldn't say that's new because we've seen the same between Sun & Michael, Shannon & Sayid, Locke and everyone.
I have to rewatch Homecoming, because I'm really having trouble with that one.
Do you think I'm on to something with Jack not fitting the titles? Is he different or separate from the others in some way?
I'm sure you've noticed that I've posted a lot in a few days. I've been thinking about this stuff since the show began and have a lot of wild speculations to share.
Don't worry. I doubt I'll have it all figured out in the next two weeks.
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AdawhenRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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No problem, CAC! That's why I come here, I love to talk LOST!
I missed your thoughts on Jack, let me go back and read.
Be obsessed! They are changing some of the plot elements, and it looks like the death will turn up after the break, but with a big hint about it in Ep. 18. It will leave you very frustrated for the next 6 weeks, so talk it all out during that time. There is a lot that I haven't seen turn up on the boards yet, and one of them is an indepth look at the meaning of the titles, so I'm very glad that you are doing this.
Will read your Jack thing and be right back.
cac120Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections? -- Outlaws
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For the first time, we saw that one character holds the keys to another's redemption because of their past connections.
AdawhenRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Is Jack competent? Yes, very. He is doubting himself, but to have only a handful of postcrash survivors die by this point is actually a compliment! He is very good, but he doesn't feel good. All he sees are the deaths. His father, drunk but insightful, could see the flaw in his son: You can't save them all. That's Jack's problem. He feels to be good, he should be able to save them all.
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You've got to be kidding me!! They aren't going to tell us who gets killed until after the break??!! I'm going to go crazy! I have been telling myself that I'll find out in 2 weeks and now it will be 2 months!! Argh!
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AdawhenRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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CAC, I have a class now, but I will be back later if you aren't bored to tears and wan't to keep hashing this!
cac120Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Ada, I'm never bored when you're around. I'm here for the next three hours (hopefully not on line ALL the time, but I'll keep an eye out for you).
I think the death is better placed nearer the end. It fits better with the 40 days Biblical reference theory.
AdawhenRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Hi PAJ,
I know, sorry to be the bearer of bad news. The scenes are shot in encapsulation, or in ways that they can be put together differently so they can change storyline. Have you noticed the way there is rarely discussion of plots in subplots? Like Paris, LOST is a moveable feast. Latest info is, it's happening in Ep. 20 now. Will keep you informed as I hear it, but they are getting tight-lipped even with the cast now! Last three eppys are said to be mind-blowing. Watch for Ethan stuff in them.
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Thank you so much Ada!! Reading your posts somehow make sense of the madness! I am so addicted to this show it's scary...my husband thinks I'm nuts and always tells me they're dead or in purgatory (just to aggravate me). I can't wait to see more!
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ErishkglRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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So Ada~ Is it Vincent that came home? Is he the special one? Hmmmmm? only thing I could think of since it's right there and yet easy to overlook.
Any more insights you can give us?
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Y'know, one thing about "Special" keeps eating at me:
When Walt is lying on the floor, studying birds, and Brian and his mom are talking, Walt is looking at Vincent, staring at him, mesmerized to the point that he doesn't even hear his mom talking to him. What's that all about?
Other than Jack, Vincent is the very first creature we see in the pilot episode...
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I've re-watched Homecoming and, as usual, have more questions than answers.
In his FBs, Charlie wanted something from everyone: forgiveness from his Priest, fame from Liam, drugs from his dealer, the box from Lucy, respectability from Lucy's dad. On the Island, he just wants to be Claire's friend, to take care of her and to protect her. In their last conversation, she seems to be telling him that she has confidence in him. Will he, Claire and the baby be a family?
Jin & Sun share concern over Claire and the baby and possibly a memory, or anticipation, of a baby.
Shannon's tending to a wound on Sayid's arm. Is Shannon actually looking after someone else?
Boone found Vincent, so he's not completely useless.
When Scott's body is found, we get a long shot of Kate's face. Is she remembering the man she killed? Is she thinking about Jack's reluctance to bring out the guns?
How does Jack know how to use a gun? He was adamant about not putting them in untrained hands, so his hand must be trained.
Doesn't Jack know that the Captain isn't supposed to go down to the planet and fight the aliens? If anything happens to him, who's going to save everyone else? He gives Ethan quite the beating. Who was he really fighting? His dad? His own guilt about the ones he couldn't save?
Scott's neck, arms, fingers are broken. These seem like self-defence injuries. Did the body come from the water or the killer?
Has Charlie used a gun before? Does the copier FB merely illustrate his lack of ability with mechanical things or does it distract us from the look on his face before it? Why can't he make copies? Has he had difficulty reproducing things before? We know he's had only one hit song, but what about a baby?
Hurley's listening to a discman. Batteries?
Lucy has an Australian accent. Is her mother Australian?
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cac120Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Ada,
Jorge told Kristin to "look at tv within tv." Should we be watching Alias more closely?
Do you know if the season finale will be two hours or if the last two episodes will be shown over two weeks?
The Ethan stuff in the last three. Does this have to do with what Boone finds?
I posted a Kate theory in The Morgue thread this morning. I'd be honoured if you'd take a look at it.
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we don't need no stinkin' emps!
annipadanniRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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ok, CAC and Ada....you there? I'm waiting to eavesdrop in on the continuation of this conversation...
CAC, you seem to be onto somehting in Ada's opion... Ada, common!!!! The give us a little more, just a tidbit even...so many open ended questions and never an answer!!!!!!!
AGH! Hurry, I'm hungry, feed me...feed me!
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I hear ya, anni, I want to know we've answered a question, ANY question! I feel like we're thiiiiiiis close to a big discovery, but I can't seem to see it...
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anni &mrs, feel free to share your opinions with us. I might only be here for another 15 mins, but if ada shows up, I'll stay longer. If not, I'll be back this evening. I don't seem to be able to stay away from this board.
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annipadanniRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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so, i've been all over this board for a couple of months now. don't post much, jsut trying to see what's going on.
ada keeps bringing us questions and leading thoughts and then drops out....
like you mrsbuns, just need an answer...just one!
i'm going nuts trying to think through it all...i wish i was one of her students! i could use a regular daily dose of ada-know...ya know????
mrsbunsRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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I like that A. just drops hints, and helps us point our discussions in different ways. I wan to help come up with answers on my own, I've just felt so dumb, like a huge breakthrough is just beyond my reach...
Would it help to have a list of all the titles here, so we can play with them and what we've come up with so far about each? I have a list like that I already started elsewhere, should I paste it?
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I don't know that I could handle being one of Ada's students. She probably uses the Socratic method there too and drives them all nuts.
Actually, I'm loving every question, Ada.
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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I like it that Ada doesn't just spill all the answers she knows - or all her theories right off... and instead, she gets us to think and try to figure some of it out ourselves - stretch our brains a bit. You can tell she's an awesome teacher! But yes, it's nice to know when we're on to something.
Ada, about your Outlaws hint... the one thing that happened during that episode that hasn't happened yet is that one of the castaways figured out a connection he has with one of the other castaways -when Sawyer realized that he had met Jack's dad. That is the first time that has happened in any episode.
Is this what you were referring to, or was it something else?
I remember getting a a certain feeling when Sawyer made the connection as he talked to Jack - was very... small world-ish - and also felt like a certain door was opening.
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mrsbunsRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Pilot (1 & 2): Reference to it being the "pilot episode" of a new series, of course. Also, obvious reference to an airplane pilot, who is the first victim of the mysterious monster. Jack says that he took flying lessons a few times, so he was a pilot and it seems that he will "pilot" the rest of the group while they are on the island.
Tabula Rasa: "Blank Slate" Kate gets to start over on the island until Jack and Hurley discover her secret. In essence, all the survivors are getting a blank slate.
Walkabout: Ironic title, given that we see for the first time that Locke was once wheelchair bound. Locke was denied his originally planned walkabout in AU, but now he's getting the experience of his lifetime on the island. As well, he has been seen up till this point walking about the island as if all is normal. It's not unitl the end of the episode that we discover he was wheelchair bound until the crash.
House of the Rising Sun: Sun will rise up and begin to assert herself in small ways.
White Rabbit: Obvious reference to Alice in Wonderland chasing the rabbit down the hole into madness, as Jack chases an apparition of his father around the island as he struggles with his leadership position. Nothing to add yet.
The Moth: Metaphorical, in light of Locke's comparing Charlie and his addiction to the moth chrysalis. Physically Jack and Charlie emerge from a cucoon at the end of the cave-in episode. Charlie is the one who finds the strength to let them escape.
Confidence Man: I think it's interesting that they say "confidence" and not "con man"...but why? Sawyer has a lot of confidence, and I think in this episode, we get to see that it's mostly an act. Inside he's hurt and scared and a very troubled person. As well, he used to gain the confidence of his female marks and then use her to get to her man.
Solitary: In reference to Sayid's imprisonment with Danielle? Or to his unique experience as a member of the Republican Guard, a position he was and is obviously conflicted over? Also a reference to Nadia's solitary confinement as a prisoner. Who else is having issues back at the camp. Is anyone else distancing themselves from others? Sawyer is, but at the end, he chooses to join in the golf game betting.
Raised By Another: An obvious reference to claire's baby.
All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues: My favorite title, humorous yet full of meaning... Hero Jack has so many issues.
Whatever the Case May Be: Double meaning, as it centers on Kate's haliburton "case". As well, it centres around Kate's criminal case... what she did and why.
Hearts & Minds: Boone's episode. His heart wants one thing while his mind tells him something else. Who else does this apply to and what does it have to do with the Hearts and Minds speech from the vietnam war era?
Special: We're obviously missing something big here... Walt, Michael, Claire coming home... what is the deal with this episode?
Homecoming: Here too... I'm mystified with this one...
Outlaws: It's got to be more than Sawyer & Kate, no? Charlie is kind of an outlaw now... he killed Ethan, although nothing will ever come from that; he won't face any kind of trial. Sawyer believed that the shrimp man was an outlaw of sorts. Pretty much most of the people Sawyer dealt with in that episode were outlaws, including Jack's father in a way.
...In Translation: Jin's episode... we'll know more soon.
Numbers: Hurley/lottery/Danielle's map...
Deux Ex Machina: Locke
Do No Harm: Jack
The Greater Good: Sayid
A lot of this stuff was added to my original list by pinkgoddess. Have at it guys...
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annipadanniRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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hey all, and especially ada.... i'm not asking for all the answers! please don't take me wrong. i was kind of teasinga little out of frustration for the ever widening black hole that is "LOST"!!!!
i love ada's posts and her leading questions. i'm just living in a pool of frustration at not REALLY knowing anything for sure, you know what i mean?
mrs...as far as the titles go, let's start with the first one:
Pilot...
1. obviously, the first episode
2. the pilot of the plane plays a role in that he is the first one to be killed (or so we think) by the "thing"...also he gives us a clue as to what went wrong, off course, and kind of a direction as to location, and that no one will be searching for them there.
3. webster's gives a couple of interesting definitions of the word pilot
One who guides or directs a course of action for others...
The part of a tool, device, or machine that leads or guides the whole.
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To steer or control the course of.
that episode was a jack centered episode, so, is he the "pilot"?
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we're off to a good start...
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I'm pasting a snippet of conversation pink & I had over on the Jin ship, in relation to his upcoming episode, "In Translation" and how it of course made me think of the Bill Murray movie, and any connection that can be drawn there...
"I figured the title of Jin's episode was a play on that movie, and that it referred to his inability to communicate with the other survivors. But as you've pointed out many times, there is usually multiple layers of meaning with everything on this show...
What is the movie about? A man, completely miserable in his life, who hates his job and feels like a sell-out, thrust into a foreign environment where he is basically isolated and forced to confront his own inner demons and learn to find joy in life again, through an actual connection with another human being. Hmmmm...."
No idea if this is accurate or not, but it was worth re-posting here...
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MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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As far as "Solitary" goes, I think most of the main 14 characters felt very "Solitary"... very alone... at that time of their lives. Think about it... Locke, Claire, Kate, Sawyer, Jack, Charlie... even Michael seemed to feel alone as a parent, and Walt seemed to feel alone - except for Vincint... since he didn't really know his real dad, and Brian didn't want him (though Walt didn't know that).
Boone and Shannon only seemed to really have each other, yet I think they each still felt very alone - since their relationship is so bizarre. I mean, how would you explain that relationship to anyone? You couldn't, really - which must have felt very lonely - isolating.
Sun and Jin have each other - but they each also seem to be an odd couple - connected, yet apart - connected, but each alone.. solitary.
So, I gree that Solitary applies to so many of the characters.. definitely not just Sayid.
annipadanniRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Tabula Rasa... Blank Slate, I think we've seen as time goes on that all of them were in need of a good wiping of the slate...but I think they are all just beginning to understand just how much they needed it.
Jack's comment to Kate when she tried to tell him about her arrest, that they're all starting fresh and new and the past doesn't matter, is hard to accept. I mean, while technically, that is true and this crash SHOULD afford each of them the luxury of a blank slate start, none of them seem to be able to let themselves wipe it all away...their pasts keep coming back to them.
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Also if you speak to someone "in confidence" that's in secret. Sawyer has lots of secrets, so does just about everyone else.
I also thought Sawyer's realization of his connection to Jack was very important. Remember, Boone saw him at the police station but doesn't seem to have put 2 & 2 together on that yet.
Exactly, OneisLost - it's sort of like a moment of the outside world - the "who we are/were" in the outside world, coming in. It tips the cart a bit.
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annipadanniRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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3 and 4, walkabout and house of the rising sun...i think that you are right on those...not much to add, until maybe we see Jin's flashbacks in translation...
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It's been brought up before that an Australian "Walkabout" is actually a spiritual journey that one takes... both a physical and spiritual journey.
Locke seems to be going ahead with his Walkabout on the island, but it seems that others are having their own Walkabout... spiritual journey.. awakening.. as well.
Look at Charlie's journey that led him to quit drugs...
Sawyer's quest for the boar that enabled him to let go some of his anger, and to realize that he was displacing his anger and feelings.
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Homecoming is Charlie centric. Who has the most powerful moment in that ep? He blew me away.
Charlie!
ps - cac, sorry it took me so long to get to your thread!
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I just can't shake this feeling that Special has something to do with that damn dog...
And everyone's input so far has been amazing. I never thought about how that moment between Jack and Sawyer "tipped the cart" as you said. Other than the discovery of Kate's mugshot, it is the first time their past lives came into life on the island...
I wonder if the "something" that happened in Outlaws that "had never happened before" as A. mentioned was that moment when Sawyer realized he had some connection to Jack pre-island. It MUST have been, right?
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annipadanniRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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skipping order... all the best cowboys have daddy issues. while this episode was about Jack, we know know that Sawyer has daddy issues as well. As a matter of fact, Walt, Kate, Sun, Jin (daddy-in-law), Locke (lack of one)and maybe all of them, have daddy issues of thier own.
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As far as daddy issues: Wasn't there something about a divorce, and Shannon not getting any inheritance or something? Gah, sorry the details are sketchy in my mind...
But I am finding it interesting how many layers of meaning there are for each title...
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mrsbuns.. my thoughts exactly... that's exactly what and why i posted it a bit ago! I wondered if that was the one thing that A. was talking about in Outlaws.
My post about it, asking Ada if that was it, is on page 3 of this thread... about 2 posts above your really long post on that page. Would love for you to go back and read it.
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special...
this one is the topic of a lot of debate. what am i missing here? someone brought up the idea of maybe vincent being the one who is "special". Also in homecoming...he came back.
There is definitely something about the dog, and Walt too.
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I think Michael is also Special and there's more to his story. Getting hit by the car was too much of a coincidence. Also, when Susan said she was taking Walt and moving to Amsterdam, she said something like "We've been through so much in such a short time". She can't be talking about just having a baby together because they were happy about it at the time. She knew something was up with Michael.
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meandthesea...
"I remember getting a a certain feeling when Sawyer made the connection as he talked to Jack - was very... small world-ish - and also felt like a certain door was opening."
well said, and I got the same feeling. Eerie...and it opened up the possibilities for the relationship btwn Jack and Sawyer in so many ways...
needcaffeine, Special and Homecoming are the two episodes that I really can't get my mind around. I know there are big clues embedded there, but I just can't seem to find them. What are we missing?
annipadanniRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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needcaffeine...i felt the same way. and am i mistaken, or when Brian came to tell Micheal about Susan and was talking about Walt being "different" it seemed as though Micheal had a glimpse of understanding or recognition or something....
did anyone else catch that?
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Yes, so much about that episode seemed to be in not what we were seeing, but in what we were supposed to be seeing, do you know what I mean? This one has me stumped more than any other...
When it was revealed last week that Locke had been in foster care, it reminded me of Raised by Another immediately...Also, if Sawyer was orphaned, who raised him?
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MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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anni, i'd have to see it again (Special)... I'm afraid i must have turned to do something during that scene - i remember hearing it, but can't picture it. I hate it when i do that! this is a show that you REALLY have to be paying attention - can't do something else while watching.
hopefully it will be one of the re-runs shown during the 6 week hiatus. I hate waiting 6 weeks until a new one, but I'm looking at the bright side... happy that I'll be able to get another look at this episodes to pick up on things I missed the first time.
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MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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mrsbuns, i had the same thought! the other day, in another thread, i listed out all the characters who seemed to be "raised by another" - and there's a lot! i'll see if i can find it..
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mrsbuns - here's my thoughts
Homecoming - in my opinion is a huge turning point for Charlie. Don't know exactly what his homecoming is but I just thought it was such a powerful moment. In his flashbacks he was made out to be someone who would never be someone who could take care of anyone. Since the crash he has taken care of Claire. And killing Ethan was a milestone for him. Almost freaky.
Special - we are so wrapped up in looking at Walt that I didn't notice at first how much there is going on with Michael. Walt was no where around when Michael got hit by the car. Only one of the flashbacks belonged to Walt. The rest were all Michaels. And when Brian tells Michael that Walt is different, Michael seems to not be surprised. Like maybe Michael identifies with this.
anni - I just re-read your post. Seems like we are thinking along the same lines.
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mrsbunsRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Keep this going guys, and thanks to cac for starting it...
I have to drive home now, but am so interested in this thread I will check back in when I get there, which I don't normally do...
I have a feeling that Special is a prime example of that bait-and-switch technique A. refers to, where we can't see the forest for the trees, are so focused on the obvious that we miss the subtle, etc... I'll be back
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annipadanniRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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in regards to sawyer/jack/jack's dad...we are missing some info on the timeline. we now know that sawyer and jack's dad were in the bar having drinks and conversation and we know that jack's dad died from a bar fight? right?
in the episode where jack was talking to the hotel guy and trying to find his dad, he found his wallet, and jack's dad told sawyer that he forgot it and would he buy him a drink?
then we know that sawyer was arrested and taken to the police station when boone was there. he made some kind of comment ...can't remember what it was? at the time, made me think of jack's dad because of the connection of a bar and a drink or something...
so, what we don't know is, what happened or what was said from the time the FB in this last episode stopped and when he was hauled into jail.
also, if he was arrested for anything major (like murder), how is it that he was on this plane? was he also with a marshall? being extridited to the states? did he escape? or was he only in on drunk and dissorderly or something similar.
I have to wonder if the "something" between he and jack wasn't deeper than what we are aware of yet...
MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Anni, Jack's dad died of a heart attack brought on from too much alcohol... or a lifetime of too much alcohol.
In the police station, Sawyer was yelling something like "I was just trying to give him back his bottle. Why won't anyone listen to me?"
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mrsbuns... here's what i posted in another thread the other day, re: other castaways who seemed to have been "raised by another":
Yes... who all do we know about now who were RBA?:
Locke - foster mother
Walt - adoptive father (though also raised by bio mother)
Sawyer - both his parents were killed when he was a boy
Boone - step father
Shanon - step mother
Recent speculation that Jack's mother, who we see in the scene where she tells him to go find his father, is actually a step mother... but we have no evidence of that... just something some posters wondered about.
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Sheila_B_4Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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For what it is worth could the word RAISED mean something else? in Raised by another Charlie was raised up to a higher status by trying to protect claire.
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Rescuing Sheila's post...
mrsbunsRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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You read my mind anni, I was thinking that we still have a huge blank space in the flashback timeline btwn them in the bar and Jack's dad actually dying...
And as far as I can remember, what he said in the police station was "It was his bottle, I just gave it back to him..." whatever THAT means, lol!
I'm excited for In Translation, bc apparently we'll see some of the same things that were shown in House of the Rising Sun, only now we'll see them from Jin's perspective. And we're supposed to find out why he came home covered in blood that time...
OK, this time I'm leaving for real, I'll be back!!
annipadanniRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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ooooh, the whole 'raised by another' thing is getting deeper. good catch.
good grief! how are we supposed to keep track of it all??? when watching i'm so engrossed in looking for all the clues that miss 1/2 of them!!!!!!
and talk about not being able to keep up all of my own thoughts...keeping up with all of yours........ugh!
i think i noticed that ada makes notes while watching....going to have to start a journal!
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MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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anni and mrs. buns...
there's my theory about the time gap in question - between the time Sawyer left dying Frank and his police station scene - which also answers his second encounter with Jack's dad. I posted this in "The Morgue" thread the other day, but since that gap has been brought up here, thought I'd copy and paste and share - because this is what i think, more or less:
My theory on why Sawyer was arrested:
Perhaps Jack's dad stole a bottle of booze... from the bar, or elsewhere... though I'm guessing the bar, because I'm thinking that Sawyer might have gone back there and bumped into Dr. Shepard, perhaps outside the bar, if not in.
By then Dr. S. was quite severly plastered and staggering... and he dropped the bottle of booze. Sawyer catches the bottle or picks it up for him - or even grabs it from Dr. S. as he starts to stumble over.
When Dr. S. regroups, Sawyer hands the bottle back to him... but before he does - the barkeep comes out and yells to the cops, "That yank stole a bottle from me!" Sawyer is a bit startled, "Huh, wha?"
He tries to tell them that the doc had the bottle and he was just giving it back, but by then Dr. S. has slipped into a cab and drove off.. while Sawyer is standing there in handcuffs, being falsely arrested for stealing a bottle of booze.
So, he may not be eager to go out of his way to bestow warm fuzzies on Jack from dear old pop, who let Sawyer take the rap down under.
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I think that Charlie's "homecoming" was the return of his memories from the day that he and Claire were kidnapped.
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oh, good thought elracella!
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Anni,
I didn't know that Ada takes notes, but I'm glad to hear she does because I started doing so this past week! I felt like I HAD to start, especially after hearing that every prop, just about every occurance and comment could be a clue. Not that I transcribed it - I just made note of new key facts and info about characters, events and comments(or things that i thought might - or might not - be key).
I just find it impossible to watch a show and remember all the details that might mean something with out jotting them down. Granted, my notes are very sloppy, and sparing... but it helped a lot!
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annipadanniRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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elrecella, good one!
you too ME.
so what is with ada's "who didn't have a homecoming" clue? any idea's there?
in a round about way could it be Claire? I mean, she came back to the camp, but SHE didn't consider it home. She didn't even remember any of them. So for her, it wasn't really a homecoming was it? Ada said something about what homecoming is? memories, familiar people, etc. well, for Claire, her return was anything but a homecoming...
what do you think?
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i think that makes sense to me, anni! i thought Ada said something about it being beyond Claire's obvious homecoming... but you're right in that she DID ask who DIDN'T have a homecoming, and she listed all those things htat a homecoming entails.
You're very right in that, since Claire didn't have any memories, then her arrival back to campe was void of all those things - and therefore, wasn't a homecoming at all for her. I think you've figured out the answer to that part of Ada's clue!
So, who WAS it a homecoming for?
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Wow! You guys are amazing! That was great!
Anni, we all write down things as we notice them. At the end of the show, everybody has 15 minutes to write down one thing they noticed or want to discuss from that episode. We tape LARGE sheets of white newsprint to the walls, and we start brainstorming. Everything is written on the white sheets. One person at a time lays a card on the coffee table with their thing on it and we discuss it to DEATH. We keep going until everyone is done.
Each newsprint sheet has a heading. If the discussion led to links in past shows, that is written on one sheet under the appropriate heading. The next day, someone types up the notes. We have over a hundred pages from the 15 aired shows so far!
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MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Ada,
Did you happen to read my post on page 3... fourth post up from the bottom? I'm wondering if what I wrote about Outlaws is the "one thing" you were talking about that hasn't happened in any other episode? Did I get it?
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annipadanniRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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ok, so is that what you were thinking, Ada? was Claire the one NOT to have had a homecoming after all?
I am so impressed with your analysis of the shows! Who is we? your students or family/friends? I would love to have access to those hundred pages! Is this information that you use for your class? or is this just for sheer pleasure? How could one gain access? or is it top secret??? tee hee hee...
I sound like I need to go through Locke's "rehab" like Charlie.....jonesing for info...gotta have it...need more...
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*runs in gasping, after driving 100 miles an hour to get home and check on this thread*
Wow, you guys came up with good stuff while I was gone. Especially about Claire and the non-homecoming...
What thinks you, wonderful purple lady? Any pointers here?
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welcome home mrsbuns...glad you arrived safely! the purple lady is lurking...i've seen her on a couple of other threads...
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MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Well, let's think on that, mrs. buns...
Maybe Vincent has met and befriended "the others", and every time he wonders off, and is missing... he's actually off visiting them. Maybe he's the only one they trust so far... as very accepting as dogs... especially retrievers... are.
Or, is there a survivor who has never been seen in the same scene as Vincent? Maybe one of the survivors turns into a dog (why, i don't know)... so that's why the dog seems so weird. Notice how he's always coming out of the woods - as if he mysteriously just changed back into a dog? Uhhh huh. Ohhhh yeah!
Ok, I'm completely kidding about my second idea, but think the first could have merit.
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mrsbunsRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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LOL, ME I know you're joking about the "animagi" abilities of one of the survivors, but your thought about whether or not one particular survivor has not been seen with Vincent tickles my memory banks. At one time or another, I think it was hinted that it may be significant to watch who has not been in a scene with Vincent...I don't know why though.
I've watched all the episodes so many times but it seems I always need to be watching for something different...
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I didn't know that it's been hinted that who has not been in a scene with Vincent might be significant! Wow... interesting.
By the way, the reason i made it clear that I was joking is because there have been some PRETTY far out theories on this board - from people who ARE serious!
Not that there's anything wrong with that...
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Too true...
I want answers!!! I hate feeling like this, like it's all on the tip of our collective tingues (sorry, actually kind of a gross visual, but you know what I mean...)
Homecoming and Special are still the two episodes I feel like had the most missed information...Is this all an exercise in futility?
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MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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I guess that's a matter of opinion... one person's excercise in futility is another person's...
What I think is fun is to put our ideas and theories out there, and then watch the opisodes and see if we were right. I mean, it's better than sitting at home, watching the show and coming up with ideas and theoris with no one to share them with, right?
But, I can relate - it's nice to at least know if we're on to something... if we solved a clue that was given. So true! To be thrown a bone!
Uh oh... are we all the ones turning into dogs now... waiting so eagerly to be thrown a bone!?
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I'm still actively interested, don't get me wrong. I am not ready to throw in the towel by any stretch. I just go through bouts of frustration, where I feel like we're really on to something with our theorizing, and then hit a wall.
You're right though, it's much better to have other people to act as a sounding board, to bounce ideas around with and get ideas from. I do feel like a dog, waiting for a bone right now, lol!
So where are we, title wise? We've pretty much agreed that Special in reference to only Walt is not the complete picture, and Homecoming in reference to Claire is incidental. Tabula Rasa probably refers to more than just Kate, as well as Outlaws and Sawyer etc. Where does that leave us? Right back where we started, lol?
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Not to worry, mrsbuns! I know exactly where you're coming from... completely.
I'm sure there's a lot we're missing in all the titles, but I think we've all done a lot of good work and have a lot of great ideas.
I agree that we have a lot more to go in figuring out Special, and I also agree that Tabula Rasa is probably in reference to more than the obvious meaning, and them all basically having a blank slate on the island. Though, who knows - maybe that's it. They all had a lot of "baggage" (interesting double meaning there too) getting onto the plane, but now they have a blank slate... to a degree.
Sawyer has opened a hidden door on Jack's seemingly blank slate though - now that he's figured out that he's met his father, and knows the pain and self-doubt Jack must be carrying.
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AdawhenRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Don't get frustrated! You guys are doing terrific stuff here! I'm not having to say a thing, and you're giving me LOTS to thing about! Thanks!
When we are on the six week break, we are going to tear this show apart and then some! I have been holding off because of two things:
1- The shows are being played in sets. Each set is thematic. This set runs from Homecoming (1.15) to Numbers (1.18). Clues, hints, subthemes, everything has been thought out in a four episode run, so when it finishes, what we look at will make more sense.
2- ABC and Disney threw a royal tantrum about 8 days ago and gave a list of current storylines that they want answered or significantly moved forward by the end of this season. No stalling, no fronting, not teasing. ABC and Disney say that viewers are tired of the tease and they want the real deal answers.
Producers, writer, cast and crews are now running to do as ordered. Storylines that seemed filmed and done are now having scenes reshot, re-edited, and dubbed over. Scripts that were set in stone are now being rewritten. The show is in flux. Everyone is working overtime to meet the demands of two additional hours, and a whole lot of changes.
Long and the short? I will give you more info during the break, but right now? I don't the powers that be have settled on ANYTHING past ep. 19. Ep. 20 had 21 minutes altered this past Thursday and Friday a week after they had finished primary shooting. Unheard of.
We are going to have a FUN break!
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*sigh* I feel better already... Just being reminded about the fluid nature of the show has made me feel more patient.
I think it's hilarious to hear about the tantrum. We as a fanbase are very willing overall to just go along for the ride, but just a few crumbs would go a long way toward keeping our sanity!
The break will be so interesting, rehashing and analyzing. Thanks A. for the bone!
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Ada!
That's just TERRIBLE! Wow - how sad that ABC and Disney couldn't be more patient! SURE we want answers - but that's because we love the show and the TRUE fans (which most are), are willing to wait! It's just part of the ride... chomping at the bit to find out what's next.
Many, TV execs sure do know how to ruin a good thing, don't they? But that's just what I'm afraid they'll do if they keep dictating what they think is best. What a terrible way to wreck something so innovating and perfect!!!!
SOOOOO very sad. It's like getting scared and selling out too quickly in the stock market just because there was a slight dip.
Well, thanks for the info - that's good to know... but so disappointing to that ABC and Disney would do that to a wonderful show - and all those folks who are working so hard to bring us such brilliance. You can't rush art!
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zegullRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Sawyer has opened a hidden door on Jack's seemingly blank slate though - now that he's figured out that he's met his father, and knows the pain and self-doubt Jack must be carrying..
But do you feel that Sawyer really cares? If Sawyer was arrested because of Jack's Dad do you really think he would open up with any information? I feel Sawyer wants to bring Jack down a notch, Jacks Dad told Sawyer that he Loved his son, who has said those words to Saywer.
Boone must remember Saywer from the Police station, He was looking right at him. Unless he was so worried about Shannon that he blocked that out. Ada had posted what the voices have been whispering, It seems that they want to make contact with our heros.
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zegull, when i said that Sawyer now knows the pain and self-doubt that Jack is carrying, I didn't say that Sawyer cares... or that Sawyer somehow feels sorry for Jack or empathizes with him. I'm sure there is part of Sawyer that DOES empathize... both sharing crummy dad's... but I honestly think that Sawyer only plans to use the info. he now has about Jack and his dad against Jack... push a few of Jack's buttons, mess with his head...
I've posted this in a couple other threads... I think Sawyer simply plans to hold on to the knowledge for power over Jack... for whenever he needs it. I think he'll tuck it away in his pocket with all the other things he scavenaged.. not giving up anything without a price. At least I think that's what his plan was when he decided to not say anything to Jack about what he knew.
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Wow! You've been busy while I was out. I think I'll have to read all of this again and continue the summaries of each title with all of the new things everyone has pointed out. I havn't much to add at this point.
Boone hasn't realized it was Sawyer yet. I mean, it's BOONE we're talking about. But Locke will tell him eventually.
So ABC got rid of Susan and Lloyd and replaced them with more idiots. I'd like to have a few questions answered, but I don't want everything to be revealed. I think it would be awful if huge things that weren't part of the original plan had to be added so that we have completely new mysteries next year. But we all know that the network cares only about how many viewers tune in, and, let's face it, not many people buy puzzles with millions of pieces.
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zegullRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Yes I agree with you.But what of Boone why hasn't he said anything to Sawyer about " Hey you look familiar"
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Boone hasn't realized it was Sawyer yet. I mean, it's BOONE we're talking about.
cac, this made me LOL! I was thinking the SAME THING!
zegull, Boone hasn't said to Sawyer "Hey, you look familiar" because Boone is CLUELESS!
Also, really... Boone was rather stressed and preoccupied with worrying about getting Shannon's boyfriend arrested so he'd stop beating her, so he might have just tuned out whatever nutcase criminals were shouting about.
I know I wouldn't want to take much more than a glance, at best, at anyone handcuffed and screaming like a banchee in a police station.
Jin was right behind Jack in the airport... but it's not like Jack recognizes Jin.
ON THE OTHER HAND... if you go to the screen captures for that episode, there are very clear shots of Jin right behind Jack as he's frantically trying to get them to let his dad's coffin/body on the plane. Jin actually looks like he's paying attention. He MUST remember Jack then - I know I'd remember a guy right in front of me at the airport pleeding with the airline person.. even if I didn't speak the language.
We've all been suspecting that Jin can speak English after all, so he might have understood everything Jack was saying - so he'd know his dad just died. Yet another person on the island who has, possibly, knowledge of Jack's outside world.
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interesting stuff. thanks Ada for the info. I feel better too. I can't wait for the break (well, almost) just for the simple fact that we will be able to really find out some "meat" and discuss and disect, etc!!!!
mrsbuns, totally with you on the "special" thing with vincent...although, sorry ME...NOT buying the whole human/dog thing...tee hee hee
great to know the whole episodes run in sets of four kind of thing...that is handy info.
i've enjoyed this conversation more than any other in recent days and so a big THANK YOU to you all!!! i'll keep this marked to check back in tomorrow and see what new things we've all dreamed about overnight...
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That's a good point.
Cac- I liked the 8 glasses and 15 year old scotch.
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cac120Re: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Me, I knew you'd enjoy my Boone comment. We certainly didn't get a moment of recognition like we did with Sawyer. Poor Boone, he must have a hidden talent the island hasn't revealed yet.
Walt has a SPECIAL relationship with Vincent.
I don't know if I'm right about 815 in Outlaws, but somone else just posted about the tape on Charlie's fingers saying 15 ATE.
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After Jack willed Charlie back to life, Jack was cradling him like a child and Kate was so happy. They reminded me of parents who'd just given birth.
Jack decided to testify against his father when he found out the woman who died was pregnant. I mean you can SEE his mind change as the word 'pregnant' is being spoken. He also seems to be identifying with her grieving husband more than with his father when he sees them in the hallway.
Kate acted like a mother protecting a child when Sawyer was scaring the piglet. The man she loved and killed had a toy plane.
Jin & Sun have some sort of pregnancy experience.
Just noticing yet another pattern. Possibly. Locke might have slipped some of the Boone potion into my hairspray.
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Hello everyone, I don't usually post here-I stay on the plot board but I started reading this thread when it was only 4 pages long and I just read the last post on page 8. I am intrigued by these theories. I have also been trying to establish ties to various things (episode titles, character names, etc... anyway I thought I would list all the episodes for you guys, without any input from me, just in episode order, then we can work from those and see what else we come up with. If anyone is interested that is.
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MEandtheseaRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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good thinking on the possible child/lost child pattern, cac!
i've read posts speculating that the way Jack turned his dad in only after he found out the woman was pregnant, and then the way he was so intent on finding Claire, that perhaps he lost a child, or child and wife.
and I've also read that perhaps Kate lost a child - referring to the plane, and her concern from the baby boar (though I DO have to say, anyone I know who is an deep animal lover would have acted the same way - i am certain, but i'll put that aside for theories sake)...
and i've read posts that have theorized that Sun might be pregnant..
HOWEVER, i just hadn't thought of all these things together, in a pattern, until I just read your post.. the way you listed it/spelled it out. VERY good thinking!
Seems, then, there there's not only a possible pattern of the survivors having issues with their parents (heavy on the father issues), but also issues with a child - either child lost, or child taken away...
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what, anni, you didn't buy my doggie-morph theory? awwwww!
well, hey - don't laugh - if Disney threw a fit and told the Lost crew to tie certain story lines up in a neat bow by season's end, then the doggie-morph gimmic might be one way they go! it's not like Disney hasn't done it before (Shaggy DA!). God help us all!
Anyway, i've really enjoyed this thread a great deal as well - i'd also like to thank all of you who have been participating!
i'm going to sign off for the night though - i'm a bit under the weather with a frustrating respiratory bug and i need to rest - get to bed early tonight.
more tomorrow! night all!
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cac - loved your Boone comment up a few posts.
I still want to know why Boone couldn't hear the dog whistle that Locke made. hee hee
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OneisLostRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Charlie had the homecoming because he's come full circle and is now back to the person he was before the band. Remember, he was the one trying to keep Liam straight.
Vincent is not Walt's dog. Walt said he belonged to Brian. While they have a relationship, having had dogs all my life, I don't see it as a strong one. Vincent was taken along because Michael felt Walt needed to have something familiar and to get back at Brian for being a jerk. I would like to know how Brian got Vincent. Where did Vincent come from. Is Vincent somehow genetically engineered? Did Brian somehow get him from a case he was working on? Like as payment or maybe as a guardianship for a client? Okay, that might be a bit whacked but, what the hey! There are more outlandish things floating around the boards.
I noticed when Jack asked Charlie why he killed Ethan, Charlie said something to the effect of he "...didn't want Claire around that animal again..." at first I thought he actually said, "beast" but, on the update for the last epi I think he said animal. Why choose that particular word to describe Ethan? He could have used many others to make the point. Was it a clue that somehow Vincent has a connection to Ethan?
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Thanks for the list, Eudoxia.
One, excellent idea about Charlie coming full circle.
Do you think that Vincent's flashback will show us how he was taken away from his mother as a young pup, abused by his first master, abandoned in a shelter where he conned the other dogs into misbehaving so he'd be adopted by Brian, looked down upon by everyone but step-brother Walt and stolen by Michael? Maybe the voices of all the cats he's chased keep calling him into the jungle. I bet he sat next to Jack's dad on the plane.
An interesting parallel in Outlaws: Kate points out the Sawyer had something Jack needs, the alcohol. Sawyer already has something Jack needs, the message from his father. But does he realize how badly Jack needs it?
Another title we haven't discussed yet is You All Everybody. I take it to mean that the specific is universal. What happens to one character is an experience that the others can identify with in some way. I think this thread is showing just how much they do have in common.
Thanks for chatting again today. I'll talk to you again tomorrow,
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"Do you think that Vincent's flashback will show us how he was taken away from his mother as a young pup, abused by his first master..."
LOL with this show anything is possible.
I was just wondering since lots of people seem to think something's up with Vincent.
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Morning all,
So glad to see this discussion is still going strong! Nice work, cac, on the 815 sightings, BTW...
I'll try to keep brainstorming on this stuff today.
About Jack and the alcohol: Like father, like son? I've noticed at least three instances where Jack and alcohol have seemed too close for comfort...
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ON THE OTHER HAND... if you go to the screen captures for that episode, there are very clear shots of Jin right behind Jack as he's frantically trying to get them to let his dad's coffin/body on the plane. Jin actually looks like he's paying attention. He MUST remember Jack then - I know I'd remember a guy right in front of me at the airport pleeding with the airline person.. even if I didn't speak the language.
However in HOTRS during that scene, Sun decided whether or not she will leave Jin. I felt that Jin sensed something at the airport with her and that is why he gave her the flower. So although he was standing behind Jack in line, he may not have been paying attention at all!! In addition, many korean people think that all westerners look alike. (How many times have you heard someone complain that they can't tell asian people apart?) well, the same is true in reverse. And although Jack was making a scene, Jin may have seen him only as another faceless white guy. If he doesn't understand english, as I suspect, then he would not know that jack was trying to get his father's body on a plane, therefore even if he did find out that jack was the same guy, it may not mean anything to him. He still may not be able to piece two and two together due to the language barrier. I think that the only way Jin may recognize Jack at a later time is if he sees jack lose it in the same manner he did at the airport. At that point something may click.
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mrsbuns:
I was wondering about Jack and the alcohol thing as well. Aren't you more likely to develop alcoholism if it runs in your family? It could be one of the demons Jack is battling...
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mrsbunsRe: Are Episode Titles Clues to Past Connections?
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Yes, alcoholism definitely can run in a family, and I think you're right about it being just one of the demons Jack is battling...
Remember, in The Pilot: First, Jack comments to the stewardess that his drink "wasn't very strong." Then when she gives him 2 more bottles, he downs a glass of straights vodka in one go.
Later, he checks his pockets, as if relieved to find he still has the bottle in his pocket.
Then he tells Kate to "be careful, save some for me", covering his tracks by saying "...for the wound" when she's about to stitch him up.
And now, Kate tells Sawyer "Jack was looking for the drink cart", and I doubt it was so he could have a soda!
Just some interesting details I noticed...
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Nobody wants to see flaws in a "hero". I feel that there are so many expectations for Jack. His father had extremely high expectations of him and he has still not been able to escape it on the island... Jack takes on the roles that are given to him or forced upon him. It never seems to be his own choice.
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